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>>25374567
Read Nietzsche, specifically Thus Spoke Zarathustra. He quite literally talks about the monkey issue and how we can overcome it

>>25374580
What does he say?

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>>25374584
That we are to be a bridge to the ubermensch. Read Zarathustra's Prologue. It's short, but will give more justice than I can explain

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thus_Spake_Zarathustra/Prologue

>>25374589
Okay but on a practical level what does that mean?

>wojak poster
>"i watched a youtube video"
Did you also read le heckin Meditations you banal faggot

>>25374591
On a practical level, you should try to be a creator and lead the path for yet greater people

>>25374567
stop posting soulless ai slop

>>25374567
Just kill yourself, seriously, either stop whining and do something with yourself or get the barrel to your mouth. Kill all "depressed" fags.

Yeah but nigga unless you kys youre gonna live anyway. So you gotta deal with this shit. I get stoned read and play music

>>25374595
Okay so it's meaningless cope. Thanks.

>Niggas don't know their great-grandfather's name but still be like "I want to leave my mark on the world"

Uh yeah, it'll be so worth it buddy.

>>25374600
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>>25374617
Kek

I went through this. Decline of the West and reading a ton of ancient and medieval literature broke me out of it. They taught me that in the end the only things to really do with our lives are aspire to be heroes, saints, or to live the good life. I also love a quote from Gandalf to Frodo in Lord of the Rings were Frodo laments basically exactly this to Gandalf replies it’s normal to go through this but we have to remember that all that really counts is how we use what little time we’ve been given for this life. The trick for me was reading all this to realize that maybe the way to find motivation to do these seemingly “pointless” things is to stop looking at the suffering or the fruits and learn instead to see the value in the striving. This is something Goethe also believed.

>>25374617
Kek.
Exactly.
Schopenhauer's approach is much more honest: engage in art. Art can temporarily calm the monkey brain. Or become an ascetic or something close to it. Stop living for pleasure and live a more humble life. There is indeed no point in keeping trying to be a big guy in life or whatever. That may satisfy the average Joe who has a double digit IQ and never had a thought in his life, but it won't satisfy people who looked deeply into life and saw all its illusions.

>>25374567
actually go walk and starve and you’ll change your mind fast you combative depressed retard

>>25374567
Sounds like you lack purpose.
You poked holes in the things that gave you meaning and now there's a mess on the table.
You wipe it up and get a new glass.
Pour something different in it this time.

You want the heavens to part and answer your questions? Get in line buddy.
Seeing through the facade is a blessing, not a curse. Now you'll know when there is another person in the room with you.
May even help steer a few to the light while you wait.
Learn yourself and tune accordingly.
Read Jung.

>>25374567
I should kill you. Its the ethical thing to do. That way you'll stop whining (which annoys me) and you'll be dead (what you want). I see nothing morally contradictory about this. Jack Kevorkian was a visionary.

>>25374567
>finding out what happens after death
lol

>>25374701
zoomers think any sentence longer than a tweet was written by AI

>>25374899
Good stuff.
Eventually you stop noticing all the suffering and start figuring out how you'll traverse it instead.

>>25374567
It's about the journey not the destination. Quite literally. Biologically in-fact. That's how we are designed. Consider this: the emptiness inside of you is by design, it's there so you try to fill it. The fantasy you have to fill it is desire and this generates meaning and enjoyment. But you desire the desire itself. So when you reach your goal you will feel fulfilled for a bit, but your desire will shift and you will feel empty. This is because of the limits of language itself because every single thing that isn't a base need is filtered through the symbolic world aka language. Language can never capture a subject in totality so there is always a surplus missing. This creates distance between you and yourself it creates the feeling of lack, lack is the retroactive wound to generate desire. The big other aka the thing that you think holds the standard and is watching you shows you how to desire and what to desire. Anxiety is asking the thing you think holds a standard "what am I supposed to do to what is the right act you want me to do" over and over and over. If you can't bare the fact that your fantasy will meet with reality and possibly collapse you might enter surplus enjoyment. This is the extension of the enjoyment of desire. A painful enjoyment, for example: instead of asking a girl out you do no fap, or u go to the gym, you extend the enjoyment that she will say yes but the pain of your fantasy collapsing is too painful so you exist in a enjoyable hell. I'm sure ur experiencing that right now.

>>25375257
How to escape this.. meditation an hour a day will allow you to act freely

Well, you are touching on a core aspect of the human condition, the problem of meaning and death. In your own text it is clear that you think these things don't matter because they have an end. That implies an aspiration for the eternal.
One response is the search for the eternal. This is the quest of monks and ascetics the world over. The other possible response is leaning more strongly towards life, seeking greater fulfilment within life with ever greater effort, striving after satisfaction in all the things you declare unsatisfactory, while trying not to see them in that way. This is also valid, and much more effective than you may suspect. Then there is also the negative solution. I know of no other possible response to this question.

It's literally just about emotions. None of what you do in life really matters, but for whatever reason it activates these feel good emotions that make it feel worth it. People climb mountains and have babies because they get to feel good, that's it. You don't see the point because your particular nervous system, due to genetics or early trauma, didn't get to experience the full spectrum of possible emotions, so now you look at people confused when they do these silly meaningless things.

The blackpill is that you can't really change this. You can only cope with drugs while others get meaning from doing things and experiencing their natural emotions.

>>25375083
>Read Jung

What book. Jung is often talked about but I never see people actually talking about what they learned from him, other than to embrace your shadow.

>>25374933
Artificially lowering the quality of your life so that you enter panic mode and obsess about achieving that same quality of life seems pointless.

>>25375220
What's funny about that?

Entire religions have sustained themselves for millennia based on their rudimentary solution to this issue. NDEs are now being studied with more detached interest.

>>25375741
This seems accurate. I am very emotionally repressed I think and have always struggled to feel a lasting sense of joy or fulfilment. I climbed a mountain with my ex and she was so happy and I struggled to feel anything meaningful (not at the time anyway). Maybe I need to read a book about healthy emotional processing?

Recs pls

>>25375770
You're not gonna get there by reading because these are embodied experiences below the level of language. Trying to feel these emotional experiences that you lack is like trying to experience the taste of chocolate when you've never had it before. It's unclear how to reach them, you don't know what you don't know, you can't aim for them because you don't have the initial experiences that can serve as a reference for you to even recognize that you're having them. You're color blind but in the emotional sense, others see a full spectrum where you only see grayscale.

>>25375741
>>25375804
Fuck you. This kind of ruined my night.
Do you mean I will never be able to fully enjoy life due to past traumas? That explains why I'm a KHHV at 28. Do other people see life more fully than I do?

>>25375814
I don't know the answer, but I've definitely met people who live much more freely than I do, and whose lives have a kind of movie-esque romance about them, especially as they're sense of joy comes from novelty and thrill-seeking. They're not even necessarily coddled much less wealthy people, they are just very external-orientated and energetic. Life flows through them in a way that it just does not for me, though strangely I don't envy them all that much because those same people (in my experience) also tend to be somewhat superficial, incurious and sometimes self-centred. I think it's more about identifying some kind of goal which feels authentic and which your talents allow for, and pursuing that in a serious way. Doing anything else is an exercise in forcing your body against the tide of meaningless in the hopes of retiring one day and not being forced to struggle any more. There must be a better way, even for those who aren't thrill seekers.

>>25375814
Yeah, it's over. The older you get, the less plastic your brain becomes and the less any one experience can alter you or transform you, no matter how powerful it might be. At 28, you've already solidified your personality and felt what little you are capable of feeling. Even if you had your first love at this point, it would probably feel like nothing.

Also, you might relate to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder

>>25375764
you may find it enlightening to read up on Buddhism

>>25374567
The transience you describe is real. Augustine saw it. He wept over the death of his friend in the Confessions and wrote that grief is the price of love, and that everything we love in time will be taken from us. He did not conclude that love was therefore pointless. He concluded that the restless heart finds no rest until it rests in what does not pass away. That is not cope. That is the honest acknowledgment that temporal goods are real but insufficient.
The answer to transience is not to stop caring. It is to care about what endures. The medieval mind understood this differently than the modern one. They did not build cathedrals to be remembered. They built them to participate in something eternal. The stonemason who carved a gargoyle on a spire he would never see finished was not wasting his life. He was offering it. The modern obsession with leaving a mark, with being remembered, with ego striving as you call it, is itself the problem, not the solution to mortality.
You watched a video about a dead man's lavish home and felt emptiness. That is the correct response to a life built on accumulation. The tradition you are looking for is not Nietzsche's bridge to the Ubermensch. It is the recognition that the highest life is not the one that accumulates the most or achieves the most or is remembered the longest. It is the one that loves the most. The saints are not remembered because they were great. They are remembered because they loved greatly. And the ones who are forgotten, the anonymous monks who copied manuscripts by candlelight, the unknown martyrs whose names no one recorded, they are not less for being forgotten. They are more. They did not need to be remembered because they did not live for memory. They lived for God.
Schopenhauer was right that art can calm the monkey brain. But art is a window, not a destination. The cathedral points beyond itself. Beauty is not the end. Beauty is the sign that points to the end. The medieval builders called beauty "the splendor of truth." You do not worship the window. You look through it.
The transience of life is not a blackpill. It is a reminder that you were made for something that does not end. The desire for permanence is not a delusion. It is evidence that permanence exists, just as thirst is evidence that water exists. A being with no access to water would not evolve thirst. A being with no access to eternity would not long for it.

>>25376917
I like the story Cathedral by Raymond Carver, your post reminded me of it.

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>>25376917
The "emptiness" OP describes is very much named poverty. There is no cathedral, no longing for immortality, just the ahistorical romantic musings of loser men wondering why people practicing their trade centuries before, believing that immortal life was once known and was lost. Your entire post reeks of it, and you mentioned Augustine, the arch romantic of Late Antiquity.

This thread is a load of shit, and I do not apologize to anyone who has troubled themselves to reply. You are wrong, and your mistake must be called.

You want to know why the gargoyle had some minoe details? Because the masons enforced it, and you'd not be a mason if you didn't abide to a demand of polish in your trade.

The vicious, CORRECT answer is that the reason to care for anything is that you are forced by scarcity. The human body does not lightly desire its own destruction, so it will partake in the heinous and void just so it can survive. To exist is ultimately an act of cowardice, but a necessary one.

Do not ponder why the masons cared for Notredame so you can cope, holy shit. Open a history book, this is the philosophical equivalent of Ancient Aliens.

>>25374567
Anon, I am sorry to tell you, but what you feel watching the video about the wealth of the old man is just longing. You wish you could have that level of wealth, to own so much beauty that it is lavishing, to entertain excess and acknowledgement. But you don't, for the sole reason you were born wrong.

You told yourself that this might be just "sour grapes", because you instinctively know it is. No man ponders of the meaning of life while enjoying it, and those who can't enjoy it are not long enough for this world to be acknowledged.

You want to overcome this feeling? Be rich and powerful. All else is a cope. Man was made to rule the world, and mendacity crushes the soul. This is why revolution is necessary, so that the material and spiritual underclass can leverage violence and take what they were not born to own.

You just desire the old man's wealth, since he could make prostitutes of you, your partner, your daughters, and all the rest of the gutter you have been born into.

Such is the way of life, everywhere. Either dominate, or be dominated.

This darkness of the soul is weakness.

>>25374922
yeah, but what book does he explain this in?

>>25374567
We're 5 years away from AGI and 10 years away from ASI. Just chill out dude. Eat healthy, have friends, and wait. We'll either all be exterminated, some of us will be exterminated or we'll live in cool RPG worlds forever but in real life.

>>25377046
>what you feel watching the video about the wealth of the old man is just longing

It really isn't though, almost stopped reading there because of how wrong you are about that.

>>25375764
Decide what sort of next life you want, then work towards it.

>>25377046
You have offered materialism as the honest answer and dismissed everything else as cope. Let us take that seriously. If the reason to care about anything is scarcity, and existence is cowardice, and all relationships are domination, then your own post is also cope. You are writing on a literature board about meaning. If nothing matters, your correction does not matter. If all is domination, your argument is not an attempt to find truth but to dominate. You have not refuted the cathedral. You have explained it away by reducing the stonemason to an economic unit, which is exactly the thing you claim to oppose when you talk about the material underclass being crushed.
Your claim that the gargoyle was polished because the masons enforced standards of trade is correct and also irrelevant. Of course there were guild standards. The question is not whether the mason was paid. The question is why the standard existed. A guild that demanded beauty is not the same as a guild that demanded efficiency. Scarcity does not produce cathedrals. Scarcity produces huts. Something beyond scarcity was operating, and your framework has no name for it.
You say either dominate or be dominated. That is the logic of the prison yard, not the logic of civilization. Every society that organized itself on that principle has been a nightmare. The Soviet Union took your advice. So did Maoist China. They leveraged violence, took what they were not born to own, and produced nothing but corpses and ruins. The revolution you call necessary was tried. It failed. Not because the wrong people were in charge but because the premise was wrong. You cannot build a civilization on domination. You can only run one down.
Augustine is not the arch romantic of Late Antiquity. He is the man who looked at Rome collapsing around him and wrote about two cities. The city of man, built on domination, always falls. The city of God, built on love, endures. He watched the Visigoths sack Rome. He did not cope. He diagnosed.
You call the darkness of the soul weakness. The tradition calls it a passage. The difference matters. If it is weakness, the answer is to dominate harder. If it is a passage, the answer is to keep walking. One of these leads to a life worth living. The other leads to the body count of the 20th century.

>>25377348
You are either a holy man, grew up with a silver spoon, or tripling down on pretty sounding nonsense that does not help OP. He should just join a monastic order, then spend the rest of his day discussing the heraldry of the old church while the world rots around him, and he shields himself from temptation by living on top of a mountain. Suddenly, no more darkness in the soul, because there is no more exposition to unfairness, temptation, wealth. There is nothing to envy but humility itself atop Mt Athos.

Your worldview, however wrong and willing to provide a sense of responsibility and goodness to the meek and the defeated (so that they believe there is any purpose behind what is fear, opportunity or lack of ambition), does not help a man in conflict and who is struggling.

If the desire to bring God's heaven to Earth should kill billions, man's concern should be that their name is not in the obituary. If you don't claim the world, someone else will, and you and your family will exist to please their every need. The poor are the prostitute of the rich.

OP looks hopeless at acknowledgement and wealth because he has neither. Revolution is not about spreading goodness and saving lives, padre, it is about giving hope to simple men willing to indulge in the universal capacity for violence. It is about man saving himself, damned be the rest. The solution to Augustine is not a cathedral, it is King Geiseric. The solution to Schopenhauer is Napoleon and Stalin.

Civilization is not founded on virtue. Are those wealth and acknowledgement the virtuous and the wise? No. If they were, we would not be here, OP would have never pondered any of this.

>>25377197
I keep reading the musings of the poor and the unknown about the vices of wealth and fame. Social ascension is so distant to the young, that alienating your own soul into esoteric nonsense to destroy longing is the only alternative to turning into a criminal / revolutionary (both are the same, when succesful).

I am trying to help OP, even if I am uneducated and lack the pretty 1970s prose of men who had no right to be pessimistic.

I do not see a solution for OP besides indulging in the very things he claim to be nonsense. He saw a youtube video, realized the absurd wealth gap that merited a video being made (would a poor man have a video be made about his welder low middle-class retirement house?), rationalized that wealth and fame are pointless and will not bring him satisfaction.

There is not much to existence besides those two things. Someone has to state it. Either learn to enjoy these two (if you can even have them), or you might end up doing the suicidal ideation that OP described.

Life is sort of boring, especially if you want to succeed in another man's world. Those that we admire either excelled in sucking up, or turned the game on its head. Or just wrote more cope work to distract other men for the next centuries.

This is what I have to say. It is the boring boomer talk.

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I feel you, OP. I'm in a bad place mentally right now. The one where energy leaves your vessel and all you resonate with is lack and resentment. I know it's an illusion (this absence of love, of God, of a bright horizon) and still cannot shake it off. Just a dead man revolving helplessly in the abyss.

True, life is transient and meaningless. And yet, every spiritual teacher taught the immortality of the soul. (Not sure if we even get what it means these days.) It gets so bad I try to reach for any little specks of kindness both inside and outside just to ward off crippling chaos and confusion. Is this the soul sending its life-signals? .. Anyway, let the source, that good spirit bless every one who is striving towards the light. And help them to express that light into the world, so that we could live this reality as a cool and inspiring poem that would reach the singularity of faithfulness, honour and wisdom. .. It would be a cool thing to meme into existence. To basket-weave it, because nothing else made much sense.

It's all excuses. Here are a few you can pick from:
>Life is meaningless, but God is wise and watches over us for some obscure reason, just marry and reproduce
>Life is meaningless, but alienate yourself and don't think about it too much, just consume, indulge yourself and forget it
>Life is meaningless, but try to improve society so that future generations have a better time here
>Life is meaningless but you can create your own meaning (things like "fishing" or "sell shoes for life" or "I want to be a Hollywood star" or "I want to play GTA6")
>Life is meaningless so sit like yogi in a far away monastery until you figure it out, forget everything else
>Life is meaningless, but "ars longa, vita brevis", create good art with the time you have, become great, legendary even, you'll be remembered for centuries to come (and then forgotten, like anything else)
and some others

>>25374567
>it's all going to be irrelevant in less than a century
Rather than worrying about what the future holds, focus on helping those around you right now.

>>25377801
>>Life is meaningless, but God is wise and watches over us for some obscure reason, just marry and reproduce
Life is meaningful and God is good. Tranny.

>>25374567
>or oppositely to finally master life extension technology
It seems that your hopelessness is informed by a lot of ignorance if you truly don't understand the impact of this kind of technology. Do you look back at your childhood and feel embarrassed at the kind of trivialities you worried about? 10 years from now, that's what it will feel like after tech accelerates, you just need to hold on to see it.

>>25374567
>BFTI (Books For This Issue)?
The books of Carlos Castaneda.

>>25374567
you need to read books on how to meditate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ&pp=0gcJCUwLAYcqIYzv&ra=m

i got hit with this last year, like even if every one of your wildest dreams came true in the next five years, who cares?

>>25380204
What is your cope?

>>25377801
Based

>>25378341
Let me guess, you believe in the God which just happens to be worshipped by one of the dominant religions in your country at the time you happen to be alive?

Wow, what a coincidence. Ain't too many zoroastrians in Kentucky. Strange.

>>25374567
I relate to this a lot and so far the only thing that's helped me is having a mission to do. I am mostly detached from the end result of what I'm doing but in the moment, being laser focused on something, I am free. arbeit macht frei.
That advice is normie and effectively on par with "get a hobby" but it's about all I can offer. I'm hit with the monkeypill as well.
I think over time you can hope that the absurdity of human phenomena and the inevitability of death becomes life affirming; that's what's happened for me. It's no longer depressing, I've gone over the hump of apathy, and it's now precipitated into a great source of comfort.

>>25374567
Sometimes I think about that. But other times I think about how, even if I don't know anything about my ancestors, I'm here because of them, the next link in an unbroken chain stretching back through thousands of generations. It's pretty remarkable.

>>25380235
God is the Transcendental Source and Prime Creator of all, and I truly believe He IS the same Being discussed in different religious teachings throughout humanity’s history, where those religions have had authentic divine and spiritual inspiration.

The issues start to come in codifying it with dogma, setting it to pen and paper (or stylus on tablet, artwork, whatever); the Transcendental becomes reduced to word and symbols, but, conversely, these can also be bridges to the Transcendental, that at least some of humanity seems to need; or, ideally, like windows looking onto the light.

Ahura Mazda of the ancient Persians, Zoroaster and Zoroastrianism, the God of goodness, light, and truth; the one true God of the Jews (also influenced by Zoroastrianism broadly, and even Sumerian and Babylonian lore in their stories); Jesus Christ’s conception of God the Father; the Allah of the Prophet Muhammad, and the Sufi mystics and dervishes; the Brahman of the Vedas, Upanishads and Gitas, or even the Tantras (also reflected through various prisms as Shiva, Krishna, Vishnu, Rama, or other Avatars).

God is ONE, and Transcendental.
Where people are genuinely inspired by Him, yes, I think right-guided humans have been talking about the same one. Or a philosopher like Socrates reasoning back to the source of the Good, the True, and the Beautiful behind our physical reality, the subsequent influence on Platonism, then Neoplatonism, such as with Plotinus and the One; or Aristotle reasoning back to the unmoved mover, the First Cause of reality, itself uncaused by anything else; or even Parmenides’ Being = Truth as ontological and epistemological first principle; the Logos, from Heraclitus’s conception of it to that of the Stoics’.

I’m not saying they all said identical things. I’m saying you can find at least glimmers of truth, something higher that inspired such people. Hell, even a Catholic will give such credit to various of the same Ancient Greeks I mentioned, as “virtuous pagans” influenced by the Logos, or God the Father, in their own way, coming to Him through reasoning, contemplation, and a virtuous lifestyle, even before (they hold) Christ physically lived and preached on Earth.

God is everywhere. A Peruvian shaman in the Andes Mountains can have some of the same insights William Blake or Walt Whitman had out in nature, seeing God in a clod of earth, a wildflower, in the clouds, or the sun … with or without ayahuasca, at that.

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>>25375829
>schizoid personality disorder
Aka the natural response of a conscious person living in the jewish hellscape that is the west in 2026.

>>25380863
I see, you avoid people because they're bad/evil, not because you lack the emotional capacity to experience and appreciate human relationships. That must be a very comforting cope.

>>25374644
Great grandpa didn't have any fotos or online presense.
If my great grandpa had videos of his life, told his life story on a video or whatever I'd be very interested.

>>25380863
aesthetical gripe, but feeling affirmed by something as arrested-development, gynocentric and Dionysian as moe tranime is mentally ill. If someone found out that you, as an adult male, instantiate yourself with minimally-featured moe slop, i think virtually anybody would feel aesthetic disdain and you probably hide it from the world out of embarrassment.
>Aka the natural response
you probably *are* clinically mentally ill and are trying to cope by saying it's unnatural to *not* have schizoid personality disorder.

>>25380235
>Let me guess, you believe in the God which just happens to be worshipped by one of the dominant religions in your country at the time you happen to be alive?
Basically
>world of multiplicity exists
>therefore god doesn't exist
When you look past all the monumental decorum of an atheist's post explaining why they believe a truly just God wouldn't allow such an unjust World, that's literally all they mean.

>>25381629
NTA, but you just explained to him that people are p-zombies that can never fundamentally change who they are, so the problem is evidently found in you and your tranny satan hivemind that is behind orchestrating the miserabilism of western society's most despised underclass (estranged white males).

>>25377046
Pompous drivel.

>>25382580
It is the least pompous answer in this entire thread, which has been succesfully derailed into midwits baiting lowbrown christians in the philosophical equivalent of World Wrestling Entertainment.

It makes you uncomfortable, but it is true. If OP could have murdered that man and seized his wealth, he'd have most likely driven endless purpose and drive, even if from the distribution of that wealth to those in the need.

What is sincerely lacking in man is the drive for conquest and glory. The Playboy mansion is not an appealing incentive, but the destruction of the enemy, the pillage of his goods and the claim to his land and his cattle to be enjoyed by your kin forevermore is very fulfilling.

The conqueror never ressents conquests.

Men need this. Eternity is found not in building protocols, beauty, or any of this bullshit. Eternity for men is found on passing by the sword the throats of human sacrificers, devil worshippers, savages and pedophiles, raze all they treasure to dust and claim their wealth to yourself and their destruction to your name.

The solution is not Schopenhauer. It is not Nietzsche. It is not even Augustine.

The solution is King Geiseric, Alaric, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Tamerlane.

If OP think all in his life is worthless and meaningless, it is because it FUCKING is, and if it weren't, he'd not be allowed to do.

Alaric sacked Rome. What cathedrals did he build? What great royal family descends from a barbarian warlord? He tarnished the world's ancient civilization that had turned its away from its purpose, and he brought the war and violence to the very politicians who allowed their empire to turn into the greatest enemy of their own people.

That is greatness. Not to be Augustine begging the vandals not to burn his books, but be King Geiseric setting fire to Rome of the politicians who allowed him to take all of Africa.

All else feels pointless, it is your soul telling you that some of us were born to hold the bow and the sword and the torch.

Imagine destroying all this meaningless, attention-seeking and wealth-seeking irrelevant normality that drives common people to madness. Imagine being a modern barbarian lord.

>>25374567
Your intuition about everything being worthless is correct. You live in an insane asylum where people impose made up stories onto the world as a survival strategy. Now you will decide if you will suspend disbelief and join them or keep your integrity and remain as you are.

>>25382650
Proof?

>>25374567
You're merely at the stage after an appetite for life has become sick of itself. In other words, you have loved living enough to become sick of it, the way a misanthrope betrays his love for man in the intensity of his spite. It's not that your expectations have been unmet, but that your expectations are greater than you realize. You identify with the rich old man as a defense from future disenchantment. But this vicarious satiation is harmful, for one cannot buy these insights secondhand. It's a mountain of emptiness you have to climb yourself before you truly see there's nothing there, nothing but the climb itself. It's not what the promise promises, but the promise itself that does the work.

You're still at the stage where you resent the old man for his useless riches. In the next, you'll come to respect him a little more. He has lived a life. So shall you. Read Stoner and Augustus if you prefer fiction. For that other fiction, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard are inescapable for the modern condition, since so little has changed.

>>25382811
Do you think someone who has loved living would make a post like that?

>>25382864
Yes. Otherwise it wouldn't bother him at all.

Who cares. Read books or leave

>>25382939
Fair observation.

>>25382566
No, I just said that people differ in their ability to experience emotions and the older you get the less and less ability you have to radically change this; didn't say anything about people being p-zombies which is a different thing i.e. lack of consciousness.

You just have to accept it, anon. A paraplegic doesn't spend his whole life believing joggers are evil or pretending that not be able to walk is the preferable position or somehow more morally correct.

>>25382731
Common sense. Think about it logically, and I mean that in the most unironic way possible.

My answer is just taking the Elon pill and scaling up your real-world achievements as much as humanly possible, because that's the only way you can distract yourself from how empty and shitty this world is. Otherwise you're going to need religion, or drugs.

>>25382943
Shut the fuck up newfag

There's a lot of blathering in this thread, heaps of long skippable posts.

Anyway op what you're feeling is real. Nothing has everlasting value or meaning and its all for nothing in the end and we all die. This is pretty bad. It's better not to be born. Now that we are alive we just cope in various ways.

Read about the Buddha. He encountered a sick man, an old man, and a dead man. And he lost his reverence for worldly things. Because they are impermanent and end in death, and are inherently suffering.

Just find a cope. Get a gf, do drugs, find a sport or hobby or something who knows. Or kill yourself that's always an option. Read discomfort and moral impediment by Julio Cabrera, better never to have been by David benatar, read the collection of long discourses in the Pali Canon, read depressive realism by Colin Feltham, read Marie Huot, Zapffe, schophenaur and final exit. Get a membership to documentingreality .com and watch hours of murder and suicide and death. Detach from the world. Nothing is worth striving for. All things are dukkha. We are better off dead. I'm typing this on LSD. Drugs are one of my copes.

>>25374567
>BFTI (Books For This Issue)?
In Search of Lost Time

>>25374567
>ego striving
I'll tell you a secret. The thing that drives all human progress is ego. You need to have one, a very strong one. The only reason you don't already have one is you're a cowardly cuck living in fear of judgement, so you timidly recoil from your cravings and gaslight yourself into rejecting your own humanity.

All for what? So you don't get called a narcissist? Rejecting ego to the point of your own loss of self is the real narcissism, its why NPDs tend to idolize robots and AI. They want to be perfect without these human foibles. If you find you just can't get hungry enough, then work up an appetite doing unpleasant shit.

>>25374567
Suffering and the apparent absurdity of existence may seem like grounds for despair, suffering is, in fact, the necessary crucible for forging a life rich in meaning, discovery, and self-determination. It is inevitable, therefore, we must acknowledge the darkness without succumbing to it. The pessimist is not wrong to view pain as a fundamental reality; indeed, the first of the Buddha’s Four Noble Truths is "dukkha", the recognition that life is intrinsically marked by suffering. Similarly, Carl Jung maintains that the path to true psychological wholeness demands a painful confrontation with our "Shadow": those dark, repressed, and inferior aspects of our personality that we prefer to hide behind social masks. However, dwelling on this realization leads to what Nietzsche termed "passive nihilism": a state of exhaustion and decline in which the individual sinks into despair and yearns for nothingness.

To truly affirm life, one must move toward "active nihilism": that which entails venturing into the abyss to consciously shatter empty beliefs and actively pave the way for the creation of our own noble values. Instead of taking refuge in pessimism, we can anchor our existence in what Spinoza called "conatus": the innate, essential drive to persevere in being and to expand the capacities of our mind and body.

Nietzsche aligns with this idea by defining the ultimate human potential through the figure of the ubermensch, who transcends nihilism to become the master of his own destiny. True psychological and spiritual health arises not from a strict separation of good and evil, but from acknowledging both and transmuting our darkness into a conscious force. The Buddhist concept of *samma vayama* advocates for a powerful, energetic will to break free from grasping desire, echoing Nietzsche’s call to overcome nihilism. We must confront the chaos, deprivation, and suffering of the world head-on, and choose to actively forge our own meaning, joyfully integrate the aspects of our shadow, and participate in the ongoing pursuit of our truth and our ideal reality.

>>25374567
Congrats anon, you refuse to distract yourself from death and meaningless as provided by flitting material gains and hollow hubris philosophy. You are now ready for the religious writings of Leo Tolstoy.

>>25385312
>We must confront the chaos, deprivation, and suffering of the world head-on, and choose to actively forge our own meaning, joyfully integrate the aspects of our shadow, and participate in the ongoing pursuit of our truth and our ideal reality.

Why? I always see long posts like this where it's WE MUST AFFIRM WE MUST OVERCOME WE MUST STRUGGLE AND STRIVE

It's irritating and dishonest. I don't understand why people can't just affirm op. Everything he said is right-> things lack uktimate meaning and value and life is pointless suffering, and its bad. Just accept it. Anything else is cringe.

>>25385857
>Just accept it
Why should I? Because you say so? Because you think anything else is "cringe?"

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>>25374567
>in a secondhand bookshop
>pick out a big stack of books across a variety of subjects that interest me
>get home and start flicking through them
>realise that every single one of them I picked out came from the same (presumably deceased) guy's library
>look up his obituary from the name in one of the books
>he died less than a year ago
>the guy's life of reading and collecting knowledge was immediately dispersed upon his death
>all these books, passed into my hands, until I die and they're donated and bought by the next schmuck or binned
>tfw I have no BFTI
Pic related always calms me down though

>>25385902
Well the very fact that you must struggle and strive and overcome just proves the pessimistic evaluation of the world. If the world were good, our base state woukd be happiness and meaning and not suffering. But instead the world is empty of meaning, and the body is a source if sickness aging and death.

Why not just be honest? The world is fundamentally flawed, life isn't good, and its a bad thing that you were born.

I long for a place in this world. Nothing fancy; just friends and family and community. It seems I am formed too oddly and the world too ill-fitting for this union to form. I've suffered under this for years and I am torn between the path of totally surrendering my identity in trying to fit the boxes of others or to stand lonely but alive amid a culture so foreign it is hostile. Having quit drug and drink I have to face this sober which is a pain but there is an honesty to it. I don't know if a hermetic existence on the fringes, reading and writing and gardening and building all the niche eccentric things I am enamored by will bring that contentedness I crave or if I will still die alone and miserable. Having spent this last mental breakdown coming closer to God, the cliches of "peace is found within" are contrasted with the innate human drive for fellowship and family. We wish we were 15th century peasants and those peasants wish they were us. I don't know, man. I truly wish you the best. Suicide has been a constant in my life but I just can't call it now. I have life left in me and must keep going if only to see where my passions lead me.

God be with you, my friends.

>>25374567
We're infectious organisms occupying a floating rock in space. I look forward to the end of my life sentence while I pass the time from one meaningless activity to another. Just read a lot and go for long walks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jUZNqJHfJqM

It's bad to be born. The blackpill runs deeper than you think.

>>25374567
>everything is equally worthless and meaningless
>it's all going to be irrelevant in less than a century

Augustine heard this argument 1600 years ago. In the Confessions he grieved for his dead friend and felt exactly what you describe: everything passes, everything is lost, love only buys you grief. He did not conclude that love was pointless. He concluded that the restless heart finds no rest until it rests in what does not pass away. Temporal goods are real but insufficient. The transience does not make them worthless. It makes them insufficient.

The medieval mind did not build cathedrals to be remembered. They built them to participate in something eternal. The stonemason carving a gargoyle he would never see finished was not wasting his life. He was offering it. The anonymous monks who copied manuscripts by candlelight are not less for being forgotten. They did not live for memory. They lived for God. The modern obsession with leaving a mark is itself the problem, not the solution to mortality. You will not be remembered. Neither will the people who tell you to be remembered. The question is not whether you are remembered. The question is whether what you loved was real.

Schopenhauer was right that art can calm the monkey brain. But art is a window, not a destination. The cathedral points beyond itself. Beauty is the sign that points to the end. The medieval builders called beauty "the splendor of truth." You do not worship the window. You look through it.

The thirst argument: the desire for permanence is not a delusion. It is evidence that permanence exists, just as thirst is evidence that water exists. A being with no access to water would not evolve thirst. A being with no access to eternity would not long for it. You feel the transience as a wound because you were made for something that does not end. The wound is not the proof that nothing matters. It is the proof that something does, and you are not it.

>the final frontier of human ingenuity is finding out what happens after death

You already know. Every civilization that asked found the same answer: the soul persists, the body waits, and what comes after depends on what you loved. Christ did not ask you to solve death. He walked through it and came back. The question is not whether you can master death but whether you will trust the One who already did.

The transience of life is not a blackpill. It is a reminder that you were made for something that does not end.

>>25375257
Truth and in OP’s case his leaving work and running out of money would be the journey.

>>25377489
Some people have a conscience and cannot find meaning or satisfaction in the pain and subjugation of others, anon. Your "solution" is just as baseless and unreasonable as the polar opposite.

>>25382153
>as an adult male, instantiate yourself with minimally-featured moe slop


There's millions of faggots doing this with something even worse, wokaks.

Ecclesiastes

tl;dr you’re not wrong, but there’s nothing to be sad about.

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>>25377489
Domination relies on the existence of other people - hence your concept of "greatness" is essentially slavery to others.

The other replies in this thread are offering a far less nilhistic purpose for life that you seem to misunderstand

>>25374899
The Gandalf quote is completely salient here. I think it's a frame of reference issue and I battle it every day. It's better to view our time in existence as a gift to be used instead of a precious thing to be saved and coveted.

this

>>25374567
You don't need to take all those things you mentioned so seriously.

Keep searching for answer and hope to fuck that something happens in your life that you can get faith in religion.

>>25374567
Just stop thinking about it.
The deeper your denial of death, the greater your enjoyment of life.

Just stop thinking about it is actually the solution to any and all problems. Being a normie is achieving the rejection of all critical thought. Starting to think is the first and final step to becoming miserable.