Fated Success EditionStubbed >>25371338>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed]Recommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
First to say that I appreciate winnies by Anons here are significantly more than any of the headliners. I hope all of you to find success.
this is bullshit
>spidersFUUUUUUUCK OOOOOOFF
>>25376479130 pages with these stats? Has the landscape changed so much? An old one of mine I made 4 years ago with 36 pages is 8k views and 44 followers.
>>25376479damn that's almost FFF numbers
>>25376479Are you writing off meta? Dumping all at once? Not using shoutouts? Not doing promo posts on reddit? Just plain low quality? Tell us more.
>>25376479post the link and I will be able to tell you the exact reason it has these stats.I am sure of it.
>>25376494>>25376494Yes, I dumped it all at once, around 30k words, though I'm still posting the chapters for the past 4 days.>Not using shoutouts? Not doing promo posts on reddit?No, I didn't do any of that
>>25376506>dumped it>complaining about statslol
>>25376506So you're gunning for RS while not doing any of the things that help you get onto it. You dumped an entire extra 10k for no reason. I bet you didn't get any ads either. I'll assume you are writing meta then, but man, you fucked up. Take that down and relaunch correctly you retard. We have a guide for this specific thing in the bloody OP.
>>25376479Honestly... I don’t like it. Sorry.
>>25376555Fuck you, don't expose me like that
>>25376518Are you not supposed to dump like 10 chapters on day 1?
>>25376578I have read all of Cradle except the extra stories book, DCC through 8, HWFWM through 12 I think, Primal Hunter to 13 or 14, and Azarinth Healer to 6. And by read I mean listened to the audio books. What is the next popular series I will enjoy?
>>25376689read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopiit's peak
>>25376689reverend insanity
Can someone explain the supposed appeal of this? >Tashi didn't ask to be ripped away from Earth. He didn't ask for a glitching, blood-red interface called the Soul Registry to stamp a zero-mana curse into his veins. And he definitely didn't ask for an indestructible, floating baby that drifts toward monster jaws the second the fighting starts.It's a fine blurb, but why would I want to read an isekai fantasy story where the MC can't use any magic? What's the appeal in that? I see these types of stories all the time and I don't get it. Do so many authors really look at fantasy stories and go "I know what would make it better: what if the MC couldn't do magic and was useless?"
>>25376750an MC that can't rely on magic in a world of other characters that can is just an inversion on an MC that can rely on magic in a world of other characters that can'treaders want an MC that's unique relative to the story's setting, many authors use this as free license to make their MCs lame and wimpy so that the MC has to rely on human qualities to exceed magic users (and most authors fail at doing this compellingly)
>>25376689Defiance of the FallRandidly GhosthoundReborn: ApocalypseBeware of Chicken Stray Cat Strut
>>25376768>Defiance of the Fall2/5>Randidly Ghosthound>Beware of Chicken 1/5>Reborn: Apocalypse4/5>Stray Cat Struttranny/5
>>25376778You know a story is good when even a troll shitpost rates it the highest.
a friend recommended me Magical Girl Gunslinger but it's on hiatus. worth reading regardless?
>>25376787what do you mean? this is not a shitpost, all of these ratings are my real ratings, on god frfr. no cap on a stack, 1000p.
>>2537678837 chapters, and there's only been 2 chapters in the last 2 years. Don't bother, it's dead.
>>25376758But why would that be appealing? This is like reading about a man in the WW2 era that somehow is incapable of using a gun and instead has to rely on a sword. In any realistic sense he would never be deployed anywhere near combat. He would be purely support personnel way behind friendly lines.
>>25376689>HWFWM>Primal Hunter>Azarinth Hunter/sffg/-ass post
>>25376768>Defiance of the FallIs this worth reading? The beginning didn't seem terribly interesting.>Randidly GhosthoundGreat premise. I loved the story until he went to that other world. During that the whole thing became kind of meaningless.>Reborn: ApocalypseIs it worth reading?>Beware of ChickenBook 1 was fun. It got boring after the tournament arc though. I realized that the MC doesn't have any reason to go out on adventures and do things. The side stories are more interesting because of that (but barely have chapters).>Stray Cat StrutI don't even want to look this up based on the name alone.
>>25376814>This is like reading about a man in the WW2 era that somehow is incapable of using a gun and instead has to rely on a sword.yes anon that would be a perfectly valid premise for a storythe point of fictional settings is only to subvert every-day expectation, that subversion usually takes place as "what if MC was super stronk" instead of "what if MC was super weak", both premises just try different things, not every story is a power fantasyif you're a retard and can't understand this then the answer-for-retards is so that the MC can go from "weaker than everyone" to "stronger than everyone", which is a longer axis than going from "stronger than everyone" to "stronger than everyone"
>>25376818All 3 of these are web novels.HWFWM in particular hasn't even released a book in 2 years, but web novel chapters have been posted.
>>25376822>Is this worth reading? The beginning didn't seem terribly interesting.no>Great premise.it's highly derivative litrpg slop>Is it worth reading?it's a derivative regression story>Book 1 was funthis shit is the worst shit I've ever read>I don't even want to look this up based on the name alonesame
>>25376814>a man in the WW2 era that somehow is incapable of using a gun and instead has to rely on a swordThis would be kino
>>25376822> Defiance of the Fall - Is this worth reading? The start may be slow (maybe intentionally), but it never stops escalating - that's what it's known for; it goes *large*. It's also flawed and overly long, but it's one of the most popular "progression" series there is and it's influenced a ton of other series, some of which you've already read.> Reborn: Apocalypse - Is it worth reading?Most definitely. The author isn't the fastest writer, and book 5 has only just been released. But they are all great.> Stray Cat StrutIt's one of the better / most well known cyberpunk litrpgs.
>>25376825>if you're a retard and can't understand this then the answer-for-retards is so that the MC can go from "weaker than everyone" to "stronger than everyone", which is a longer axis than going from "stronger than everyone" to "stronger than everyone"People don't end up reading these stories. I've seen this premise a lot, but it's (almost) never a part of popular novels.>>25376833No it wouldn't. The story would have to bend over backwards to accommodate him. Any sense of realism would go out the window, because he would be a liability for his unit. He would never be in combat.Now, a guy who can use guns, but then runs out of ammo and uses his sword while he's placed on an island that's being overrun by enemies would be interesting. But that's a completely different premise, because he would presumably switch to a gun when able to.
>>25376827More that it's only reading the most megapopular entries in the genre and asking for more.
>>25376836>book 5 has only just been releasedthanks for notifying me
>>25376837>Any sense of realism would go out the window, because he would be a liability for his unit. He would never be in combat.anon... stories can expand on their premisesinstead of a reader telling the author "That's impossible, there is literally no way he would ever be in combat if he can't use a gun." a reader usually asks of the author "That's improbable, why would he be in combat if he can't use a gun?" and then the story explains to you why: maybe he's good at things other than being a gun-bot, maybe he has a commander that takes an irrational liking to him and keeps him around, maybe he is being deliberately sent to his death by absurdist powers like the central government/fate/gods and he has to persevere against italmost any premise that seems unlikely and retarded in the real world can be explained in fiction, that is the point of fiction, not to comport to realistic expectation
>>25376846That's impossible though, there is literally no way he would ever be in combat if he can't use a gun.
I saw this guy also posts on /wng/, and he's not doing much better than I am. RR just has bigger volumes of stories being posted now, desu.
>>25376849based assertive reader, keep telling those authors why their stories are retarded
>>25376853why didn't you link the story?https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/170327/merchants-dont-belong-in-the-dungeon-minmax-litrpg
>>25376849In WW2 there was a guy who refused to use a gun and killed Germans using a claymore and a bow. He's the one leading this group at D-Day here.
>>25376862what about the story of the guy that agreed to use a gun and killed Germans using a gun though
>>25376858I feel it's rude to do that
>>25376862>He consequently became a medicI mean that's based, but it's not like he did anything with his claymore
>>25376864There's about 16 of them in that pick. You know what that means? Generic. Dime-a-dozen. Your grandma probably knows a guy who did it. They're irrelevant.But the guy with the sword is the one people wanted to document and discuss.
>>25376867No, you're thinking of someone else. He's talking about Mad Jack Churchill who, if I'm remembering correctly, had 18 confirmed kills with his Longbow and at least 8 with his sword, and also bluffed a surrender out of a regiment of German soldiers by marching up to them playing the Kign's March on his bagpipes and informing them they were surrounded (they weren't) and he had come to accept their surrender.
>>25376870i was asking rhetorically, that was the point i was trying to make
>>25376862https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jack_Churchill_leading_training_charge_with_sword.jpg>Jack Churchill (far right) leads a training exercise, sword in hand, from a Eureka boat in Inveraray.deboonked
>>25376871>A common story is that Churchill killed a German with a longbow.[10] However, Churchill himself later said that his bows had been crushed by a lorry earlier in the campaign.deboonked
>>25376874>>25376877Sauerkraut-coated Teuton fingers angrily typed these postsHis bows are fine, as seen here by a historical weapons collector. This is figure 8 from this source:>It may be recorded here that Captain Jack Churchill of the Manchester regiment, and a member of the British team at the World Archery championship at Oslo in 1939, actually carried a bow on active service in France. The war diary of the 4th infantry Brigade tells us ‘One of the reassuring sights of the embarkation was the sight of Captain Churchill passing down the beach with his bows and arrows!’ Using a yew bow he created a certain amount of consternation on his section of the Maginot Line and later, during the retreat to Dunkirk, 27 May 1940, he actually shot a German soldier from 30 yards with an arrow at the village of L’Epinette near Bethune. The arrow struck the man right through the chest and he and his four companions slumped to the ground as Churchill’s two companions opened up with rapid fire’(figure 8) (See Appendix I). 21Footnote 21 refers to the following sources:>Featherstone, D. 1967. The bowmen of England: 189-91>Heath, E.G. 1980. Archery; a military history. London: 214-5>Spectator 4 April 1952>obituary of Lt. Col. John Malcolm Thorpe Fleming Churchill Daily Telegraph 13 March 1996.Appendix I is titled “Lieutenant Colonel Jack ‘Mad Jack’ Churchill — archer extraordinaire” and is written by archery historian Hugh Soar (pictured above). It goes into more detail about the bow incident, using the Featherstone and Heath sources, and describes the Churchill bows (see picture above).
>>25376877Wikipedia is not a source.>When war broke out, having remained on the reserve officer list, he was recalled to the colours. His regiment was part of the Expeditionary Force to France. Churchill used his bow and arrows while on patrol, knowing that the bow was an extraordinarily effective weapon in skilled hands as it was silent and accurate up to 200 yards.When his company was trapped after the Battle of l’Epinette (near Bethune), Churchill killed the first approaching Nazi soldier with his longbow, then used two machine guns to fight back until they ran out of ammunition. He managed to get the remainder of his company to safety by leading them through the enemy lines at night, despite being shot in the shoulder.https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Fighting-Jack_Churchill/
>>25376882>>25376886/wng/ — Web Novel General
>>25376888>t.
>>25376886>Churchill killed the first approaching Nazi soldier with his longbow>18 confirmed kills with his Longbow and at least 8 with his swordyou just deboonked yourself
For me? Amazon webnovels.
>>25376894such as
>>25376806fair enough. I never should've trusted his taste since he's a kingkiller and asoiafag.
>>25376919I mean if it's a gun-based litrpg you're after then something like Gunwitch would have been a better answer.
>>25376837Realism is a gay and stupid meme and should never be a consideration when discussing fiction.
>>25376919>kingkiller and asoiafagBlech!
i'm worried my ending will suckThere's a lot of small details I put earlier in the story that I wanted to draw into further plot points but I didn't find the time/space to do it and the whole thing is already a lot longer than I initially planned. I have 2-3 chapters left(it should only be 2 but I might need a 3rd if I'm stupid, which I usually am) and I know how I'm going to end it I just think people might not like it.
>>25377011Just make it a harem ending, faggot
>>25377011good endings withhold as much as they reveal, as long as you as the author how all the loose ends are tied up and it's consistent with what you've written, then you can prioritise the main plot points, conclude them in detail, then leave the ones of marginal importance out or only refer to them in passing, leave it as an exercise for the reader to fill in the blanksmost readers won't give a shit how exactly Lord Sharticus III managed to resolve his land dispute 50 chapters ago, some will just want to know what the outcome was to demonstrate that the author didn't forget about him
>>25377011>time/space
Managed to write a chapter today!Hopefully I can finish my manuscript tonight, too, and get it uploaded to Amazon and order an author copy.
>>25376814>>25376833https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_ChurchillSorry not fantastical enough
>>25376462Kumo Desu Ga, Nani Ka?
>>25377137see >>25376877
>>25377144See >>25376882
>>25377152see >>25376892
>>25377155That was not a reply to the post I wrote stupit
>>25377157>27 May 1940, he actually shot a German soldier from 30 yards with an arrow at the village of L’Epinette near Bethune.>18 confirmed kills with his Longbow and at least 8 with his sworddeboonked
>>25377159>He killed someone with his longbow, which means there are no confirmed kills with his longbowI think this is the most emphatic verification that /wng/ers don't and can't read
>SpaceBattles updated their layoutI don't like it... It unironically looks completely soulless now because the icons are simplified. Not to mention everything feels zoomed in too.Maybe because it hasn't been updated in a while, but oh well.
>>25377162dumb retard, this whole thing started with >>25376814It doesn't matter if Jack Churchill got one kill with a bow in WW2. What matters is that hs has **zero** sword kills in WW2.
>>25377168>This specific anecdote only talked about his bow kills so that means there were no sword killsBefore we continue this dumb internet argument, could you tell me how you think you would feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
are tomboy love interests frowned upon in the genre? I don't seem to see much of it at all...
>>25377170why do you respond if it's just a dumb internet argument? dumb retarded faggot.Also, how do you know I didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>25377171>tomboy>frowned upon
Why are we even debating the bow. He definitely killed guys with his sword which was the whole original point of discussion about why a guy with a sword would be sent into combat against guns.The answer is standard issue guns weren't that great prior to the AK and most soldiers weren't that great with them. You could absolutely kill one if you could close the range. Even today it's advised to magdump someone running at you with a knife if you only have pistol. If they get close to you you're dead.
>>25377173>Also, how do you know I didn't have breakfast this morning?Thank you, you've indicated you're incapable of a conversation about topics as complex like this. Have a nice day.
>>25377171My story has a tomboy with 50% demon blood (90% of which is succubus)This may sound fun until you realize the 10% is a demon that really likes making good people suffer.
>>25377179Sounds like NTR bait.
What are g̵u̵ NTR?
>>25377188You don't know how right you are but there is a nuance.
>>25377188I feel like people with depraved fetishes get more out of calling attention to how repulsive they are than engaging with the fetish itself
>>25377193That's just board culture, people like to get attention. I would bet that a lot of people don't care either way but just do it for (You)s
>>25377223It seems you're lost. This isn't /wg/
How can I pump out more chapters?
>>25377238By not asking retarded questions on /lit/ and writing.
>>25377240I actually want good faith tips and advice from experienced anons here doeeveralbeit
>>25377249there is no advice besides sit down and write more each day. How you get yourself to do that is entirely dependent on your own psychology and boils down to nut up and just do it
>>25377249You just received one you time-wasting shitter.
>>25377236What’s the difference
>>25377262I'm trying to find an efficient method here
>>25377273The efficient effort is slashing your internet cable.
I need ROMANCE.
>>25377287give me like four more months
>>25377287Well, are you a cute girl?
>>25377295Some anon said that in December they would have one ready this year and the year is already half over
>>25377164Just checked.What were they thinking?
>>25376839Yeah considering its all slop I prefer to read the vetted popular slop. So between path of ascension, defiance of the fall and mage tank which one should I read next?
>>25376462Stories are about character change. The story is supposed to challenge the world-view of the protagonist. Which itself creates a thematic through line.That's storytelling 101.And yet so many amateur webnovelist fail at it. Why?It's literally the difference between slop and non-stop.
>>25377718because there is a market for people who don't want character change in their stories
>>253772381. read more to get your juices flowing2. drink aclohol3. take weed either as vape, edible, or bong. no comment on other forms of non-weed drugs4. read more. soak in some movies and anime but don't overindulge5. take some herbal supplements such as ashwagandha, try the smalle doses first, then go into the heavier 1200mg per serving dosing ones6. cut back on the coffee and just drink more water instead, in fact just quit coffee altogetherNo particular order but reading is important
>>25377718Because they are amateurs. Look at the attempts at "litrpg" that this general has produced. They don't even understand the premise. The amateurs on RR understand the premise but then they cap out mentally and can't do anything deeper with it.
>>25377718Wrong.Get your character arc slop out of my face.
>>25377718one of the ultimate psuedistries
>finally finished making my typo corrections>at the very end realize a bunch of the corrections were unnecessary, technically>it's like 200 superfluous commas and I can't be assed to go back and undo them all at this pointFuck it! It's done! It's going to sell like 6 copies anyway I DON'T CARE ANYMORE
>>25377798>sell like 6 copies/wg/ is down the hall retard
>>25377805I'm not stubbing so people can read the entire thing online for basically free if they don't mind some typos and (very rare) grammatical mistakes.I think I'm technically a midlister in the RR/Patreon context, lol. I pay for my groceries every month with patreonbux. Miss me with that /wg/ shit.
>>25377820You won't get any sales. That's why everyone stubs and goes on KDP because the readers can just read for 'free" as long as they have the subscription. Low barrier to entry an all that.
How is your chapter going, bros? Here's where I'm at
>>25377718I love how retards like you convince themselves stories must do X and when stories that don't do X are popular and beloved you just think the audience is wrong and not that your model is obviously flawedStay forever an NPC
>>25377190>NTRbaityou are a blight sent to pollute this world.
>>25378034I see you've adopted James Joyce's thunderwords.
>watching How It's Made>jade golfing puttersThis is some cultivator shit.
>>25376485Indeed, I'm hiding this thread
>there are cowards in this very threads who wouldn't fuck spiders
>>25378112>implying voluntary/consensual spider sex is even possibleIt's very problematic, ethically.
>>25378034Haven't started on it. Felt like playing EU2 For the Glory instead, and then it crashed. Womp womp.
>>25377143Fate Gu
What are gu?
>>25378376Bugs that do a thing
>>25378376NOT spiders and thus not worth having sex with
>>25378395Gu can be and often are spiders, retarded spiderfucker
>>25378405gu are gu and spiders are spiders
>>25378409Fate gu is a spider
>>25378437Man, Reverend Insanity really falls off in later chapters.
Eastern prose is so viscerally repulsive. How do you read it?
>>25378458the GU GUides GUys like me to comprehend it.
>>25377718How do you make your character change when so many WNs are about being super powerful to begin with? Or when the character has completed the change, and now you're left with nothing to write about?
I Must Create a Monster Girl Harem and I Am Terrified
>>25378038She's the one baiting the MC into NTRing his girl.
>>25378503>Or when the character has completed the change, and now you're left with nothing to write about?That's when you finish the series, tard. It's called an ending.
what the FUCK is a NTR?
>>25378534Cuckhold shit.
>>25377718Stories that go on forever and ever don't change their main character because if it did no one would like the sequel. Say you have a character who's a jerk and at they end they stop being such a jerk. In book two you now have a main character none of your readers recognize. This is why Sherlock never stops being a jerk. This is why Harry Potter never becomes a confident badass. If they did the story would have to end. The status quo has to be upheld.
>>25378566wrong
>>25378566>sequel is just the MC's kid>shares a lot of same traits and falls into similar pitfallsNow what?
My main character changes as a person as the story progresses...
>>25378585in a cool way or a cuck loser way?makes a big difference
Your main character stays the same all the time, but depending on the character perspective he either comes across as charming or a raging autistic asshole
>>25378585How insufferable is he at the start? Or does he become insufferable as the story progresses?
>>25377793>>25378037>>25378503>>25378566You have the narrowest understanding of character change.It doesn't have to be something drastic like an asshole becoming a kind guy.The most basic change happens through needs vs wants.The want is the thing the character THINKS will make them happy and something they pursue. Meanwhile, the need is what the character requires to become happy, typically demanding character growth.
>>25376689The Bath of Aspersion
>>25378690That series is so fucking weird.>teenagers having promiscuous drunken sex>good>those same two teenagers having sex with each other in a relationship>bad
>>25378697the casual sex was flings with people they knew they'd never see again, but they got serious with each other because a long-term relationship was developingalso how is that background shit that gets next to no focus the thing you're focusing on anyway
>>25378721>/wng/ - Web Novel General
>>25378731???
>>25378731Unfortunately, that is literally in the web novel. Westerners love promiscuity after all.
>>25378734Webnovels should only be about slaughtering enemies and cultivating the dao. Goon/coom shit has no place in webnovel literature.
>>25378740>slaughtering enemiesShooting mutants.>cultivating the daoPaying rent.Yup, my story is certified cultivation classic.
>>25378740It's not even explicit. The author and his readers just love knowing the main LI fucked and sucked countless other guys but won't touch the MC until they have grinded to max lvl.
>>25378758>main LI fucked and sucked countless other guys but won't touch the MCStrong Name of the wind vibe there.
>>25378761Man, name of the wind really is an early web novel, isn't it?Started promising, weird premise, fun initial writing, hints of world building that go nowhere, transition to retardation, author's politics and barely disguised fetish, author starts being a retard doing other stuff, has a tanty, abandons story.
>>25378534
>>25378775>Japanesestopped reading right there, japshit is __always__ complete trash
>>25378774>tantyThis will never catch on compared to melty.
>>25378780The term comes from Japanese but is used in other languages including English at this point. It isn't exactly something that only applies to Japanese works.
>>25378786>but is used in other languages including Englishonly by weebs
>>25378785Man, it's a word, and you know what it means. It'll do.
>>25378788Weak ideas are pushed out by stronger ideas.The insipid die in the currents of time.
>NTR is CRINGE! JAPAN IS CRINGE!!>*reads entire novels of westoid cuckshit where MC gets cucked at least 3 times in a single arc every arc*
>>25378787>only by weebsSir, this is a 4chan.
>>25378376
>>25378787>knowing any other language at all means you're a "weeb"There is newfaggotry, and then there is this contemptible poor attempt at a flamewar.
>>25378866who are you quoting?
If ten thousand tragedies author is around: I like his attitude toward resetting now. Being willing. Before it seemed as though he'd forgotten sometimes.
>>25378531>NTRbaityou are a blight sent to pollute this world.
I can't believe clara casewell is #2 best ongoing now, shitting even on pale lights, sublight drive, and the whiny bitch who's not dragon
>>25379042I swear that ever since they did the site upgrade the Best Ongoing chart has been bugged. As you said, there are stories on there that really shouldn't be given their numbers.
>>25379042Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi is peakread it
>>25378869You, the specimen who typed "weeb", and then implied this horrendous definition to an already-empty term.
>>25379047The top rated pages have always been about rating not number of followers etc. You do need some amount of readerbase but stories with as few as 1500 followers have been on that page since its conception. Which is also why it's not representative of the site's preferences. Pretty niche stuff sneaks on there all the time and then people will claim it's part of the site meta, like a clueless goober
>>25379048This guy is solely responsible for the success
>>25379056When there are two stories on there with only 18 and 35 chapters, I feel like something has gone wrong somewhere.
>>25379015NTRbait is great if it's not NTR.
>>25379059Completely normal that nearly 600 people would declare an overdone bundle of cliches a 5-star masterpiece only 18 chapters in, nothing to see here
The only way to succeed as a writer is to be a friendfarmer.Nobody cares how well you can write, how deep your symbolism is, how cute the girls are, or how interesting the plot or the premise is.You are not successful because you weren't successful and popular in school. Simple.
>>25379081cope
>>25378775what if the PoV character is the bull?
>>25379093You can cope that it's not this way, but picture a writing class back in school.>Okay, who wants to read Chad Bradley's story, and who wants to read Timmy Anon's story?!>Chad's story is about a guy named Brad who drives around an expensive car and kills zombies and monsters and shit with ease and has tons of money and all the bitches are wet for his dick (and he does a lot of drugs because he doesn't care about laws)>Timmy's story is about the nature of man, full of complexity, deep world building, relatable and realistic characters, the protagonist has to go through painful struggles and fail many times but ultimately grow as a person and a character>A forest of arms sprouts to read Chad's story, but maybe that one fat girl in the back raises hers to read Timmy'sNobody wants to read Timmy's story because Timmy is a boring ugly fuck and Chad is cool.
>>25379081My girls are really cute though
>>25379133Unfortunately that doesn't matter unless you're trans and aggressive about it.
>>25379143>unless you're trans and aggressive about itAs the author or the reader? Are you saying trans readers care about how cute the girls are, or is it a trans author's job to cram it down their throats? Is being trans an aspirational quality in web novel writing?
>>25379081This is how you end up like Weavervale. Friend farm on all the discords, get on Rising Stars with almost every story and then get no where else with any of it. He's not the only one like this too.If what you said was true paying streamers to play your vidya gaem would have a 90% success rate but in reality nobody cares about most of it no matter how much it's advertised.
>>25379143Name one writer on RR that fits
>>25379164The author of foxfire esquire.The author of katalepsis,
>>25379166I never see foxfire talked about except on /wng/ because that one anon posts chapter reviews even though they seem to hate the story. I literally wouldn't even know the author or the MC was trans otherwise.>katalepsissurely even you have to admit this one has more going for it than that
gave up on foxfire after the chapter dump. saw a new chapter go up and unfollowed. Should have stayed in the courtroom.
>>25379180I forced myself to read 10 chapters of foxfire. The MC is so unbelievably annoying and trans it's unreal.I didn't read katalepsis desu. I just heard that the whole thing is apparently some sort of trans analogy.
>>25379101cope
>>25379228You're ugly and boring, Timmy.
What did the author mean by this?
>>25379241The MC merged with xir fursona.
>>25379236I'm noticing how you only reply to lazy bait and not the real response you gotFriendfarmers and advocates are always dumb as fuckcope about it
>>25379253>advocatesAnon, I am giving you the brutal redpill.You could write the next LOTR and unless you are a friendfarmer, nobody will give a fuck.
>>25379256cope
>>25379253>>25379256I now pronounce you... Friend and Friend.
>>25379256>wahhh I'm not successful because I don't friend farmI didn't have toSuccess is about writing something people want to read, simple as
>>25379265And nobody will want to read your shit unless you friendfarm.In your next chappy you better come out of the closet and drop the discord link in.
>>25379269WrongI did no friend farming, people read my stuff
>>25379271I am reading your posts right now, anon.
>>25379256The next LOTR would do horribly on RR even with max friend farmingYou don't understand the concept of an audience, do you?
>>25379278>The next LOTR would do horribly on RR even with max friend farmingPerhaps we have failed as a civilization if classics would be considered failures.
>>25379286Have you read LOTR? It's so fucking boring, I couldn't read more than the first page.
>>25379286failure on royal roadnot a failure as a piece of art or to a broader audienceyou are dumb and hard to talk to
>>25379286How many megasuccessful RR stories have literary prose?
Hello, I'm a massively successful author and make a million a month on patreon. I'm friends with all the other successful people who make a lot of money, so I'm qualified to speak for all of them. I'm the only successful author on /wng/ despite living here 24/7 instead of writing. Let me tell you how everything works. Every successful story on RR is an example of what I do and all the unsuccessful stories are unsuccessful because they don't do what I do. I'm successful because I'm good and you're not successful because you're bad. Any fiction that contradicts what I say doesn't matter. No, will not tell you who I am, or link you to my story. You just have to believe me because it's me, the successful guy telling you this.
oh man he's mad
>>25379300In other words, only valueless slop with no redeeming factors thrives on RR.
>>25379309you are entitled to your opinion, though it makes me wonder why you're in /wng/
>>25379302I didn't make webnovel scene like this. You don't have to be mad at *me*.I'd prefer if friendfarming was unnecessary.
>>25379059I saw an admin post somewhere on the RR forums. Best Rated (rank) is based on the lower bound of a confidence interval calculation based on the spread of scores. Given that 5 is the top and the average hovers around the top half of the bound (3-5 stars), this gives low ratings much more weight in the calculation. a story with 600 4.5 ratings has an average of 4.5 but a lower bound on the confidence interval also of 4.5. A similar story with a mix of 5 and 0.5 star ratings to give the same 4.5 average will have a much larger spread in the confidence interval calculation. The lower bound of that will be lower, and so it will be ranked lower even though it was getting most 5 star ratings and attracted some troll ratings.So you can get newer fictions with less ratings, but if they somehow don't get troll ratings, they'll perform much better. Additionally you'll have stories with few ratings with very high averages, but the confidence interval will be wider, so slightly lower average rating stories will beat them out because they have a larger and tighter grouping of scores.Personally I dislike this system a lot, because it gives haters and trolls WAY more power than they should have. And this is exacerbated by organization: like coordinated discord hate bombing campaigns. Personally a 5 star rating moves me 25 ranks up, but a 0.5 star rating will drop me over 200 ranks. They take the same amount of effort.I'd like to see a change where a rating lower than 2 stars requires a review, and a hidden system where ratings count for less in the ranking calculation the earlier they are. A chapter 3 1 star rating in a 200 chapter fiction shouldn't count for shit. A five star rating at chapter 180 out of 200 should count for far more, because it takes into account the totality of the story up to the point of the rating.Of course the site's community is basically on life support and fading for the last five to ten years anyway while growth continues to do well so the odds of anything serious changing are slim to none. GOTTA FUCK UP THE UI FOR EVERYONE INSTEAD THAT'LL LOOK GOOD FOR INVESTORS
>>25379315friend farming is a jump startif the car is fucked the car is fucked though
>>25379081Not true. I recently surpassed a huge friend farmer who writes worse than I do despite being more on meta and more liberal with giving readers the slop they want, who clearly is in all the secret discords and had a huge shoutout swap on every single chapter.Good writing and the bare minimum of shilling and a mediocre run on RS is all one needs to beat flashes in the pan who get into all the secret clubs but can't describe a setpiece to save their life.
>>25379317>Personally I dislike this system a lot, because it gives haters and trolls WAY more power than they should haveI've seen some anons say that you can just politely ask to have those ratings removed at the mods' discretion, is that still true?
>>25379322he clearly doesnt care about multiple anons having the same experience, he just needs to vent and cope (presumably for his flop)it's probably f anon
>>25379180There's at least two of us reading foxfire esq.>>25379184Really? I mean it was pretty obvious that the story was going to move beyond the courtroom. But now that I reflect more deeply, I kinda agree with you. None of the ongoing legal battles saw actual courtroom resolution like the case of Book 1 did. We didn't see the result of the divorce case, we didn't see the guy get exonerated fully, and we didn't see the stalker arrested and sentenced with foxy glaring at him in the courtroom while he gets his life sentence. So we got robbed of a lot of legal catharsis to instead focus on tranny issues and god complex issues (subordinate to tranny issues). (Which were also written poorly enough to confuse most readers about something as simple as how many tails the lawyer foxgirl has now.)I'll still read for free but I'm certainly not giving the author any money.So I guess now I'm the only foxfire reader left.
Just write good and you'll do good, advertise a bit and it'll pick up. If you spend more time friendfarming than writing a good story you'll get nowhere.
>>25379323Mods will investigate and determine if the rating is suspiciousThey don't just remove .5s upon request however
>>25379286Not really. The audiobook of Picasso's Guernica would also be a flop. The problem is the medium. Being a classic is highly medium-dependent.For the record I'm not a fan of the Guernica painting either.
>>25379341>suspiciousWhat I was referring to was more like clemency, as in the mods saying "oh it's a new story and this one 0.5 rating with no review is really dragging down their overall rating", and they see who is giving it and that user has been harsh with their ratings on other stories as wellRather than something obviously suspicious, like private messages saying "Fuck you, I'm going to carpet bomb your story with alt accounts!"The kind of thing anon described before was more like an author can just grovel for a rating to be reversed/unweighted in the average and the mods would take it into subjective consideration
>>25379323It depends. A chapter 1 0.5 on a brand new launch fiction, maybe. A chapter 4 0.5 half a year after launch with over a hundred chapters? Unlikely.Reviews are much easier to get removed because reviewers often break the stated reviewing rules. I encourage you to ALSO go through hate reviewers' reviews (they're publicly viewable) and report all the rule breaking ones if they target you for a hate review.
>>25379353I'm unsure if that's true. I don't think it is, but also wouldn't be surprised
>>25379314We pick up a lot of flotstam from /wg/They're interest gets piqued at the idea that someone might actually read their writing that's all prose and devoid of any storytelling but then get disappointed when they discover that not even the slop consumers want their trash.
>>25379334it was obvious it was going that way but after the chapter dump I just decided I didn't want to spend the time reading it anymore. New chapter came out and I realized I had no motivation to click on it.
>>25379380You missed nothing in the new chapter, either. It was entirely to do with her magic tranny fox powers, everything else shunted to the side and ignored.I'm too much of a completionist to just drop things, though. My next project for "catching up" after my current one is going to be Objects in Motion. IC fucked up by expanding the scale of the conflicts too far in book 2 in my opinion and it killed my motivation to read book 3 week to week early on as a result.
>>25379096>what if the PoV character is the bull?Then it's still netorase if the partner being shared reciprocates with their other lover. Else it's neither netorare, netorase, or netori.
>>25379353>>25379356There are multiple mods and their policies are often a contradictory clusterfuck. One retard posted a 1 star review on my story, breaking pretty much every possible review rule, so I reported it. But the mod simply asked him to fix the parts I specifically mentioned in my report and left the review be (even though removing those parts also took away the whole basis for it being 1-star.) The retard edited the review to rant about me trying to silence criticism. So I reported him again. And again, the moderator just told him you can't attack the author and left the review up when the guy just edited out the bits unrelated to the story.I thought fuck it, I don't care and let it be. A long time after, another reader reported the same review because it was still breaking rules and didn't describe the story, and this time a mod deleted it. Then the retard left a support ticket whining that the review was his honest opinion and can't be deleted. So a mod restored it. Then the retard edited the review to 0.5 stars, accusing ME of deleting it. So I reported it yet again, because once again it had stopped being about the story. Then what? A mod posts a comment on my fiction chapter saying authors can't delete reviews (no shit sherlock) and did nothing about the review.I pm'd the retard and politely explained the matter and he changed the review to how it used to be (1 stars). I hope and pray this is the last we'll see of this saga, but probably not.
MMA: Magical martial arts has some really weird stats. I don't think I've seen something with as close of a disparity in followers/views vs review scores. I did read it up until recently and it did kinda go off a cliff after the early chapters since the author shits out a chapter a day with a bunch of mistakes and it went into an extremely boring training arc, still looks pretty out of the ordinary though.
>>25379564I was going to say next time have a friend report it on their reader account from the get go but then I remembered where I was
>>25379564Yeah that's about what I expected from how the system was described
>>25379627>brother told me he actually made an account and rated all my stories 5 starsI don't give my little brother enough credit. He's great, despite me being a shitty older brother.No he hasn't read a word I've written but maybe that's a good thing.
Speaking of NTR, I miss the highly superior western version of it where the dashing protagonist fucks some asshole's wife and it's presented as a positive thing since her husband wasn't satisfying her and is only with her due to status. I don't know why this trope died out, wonder if it has something to do with guys getting into fits for not painting the woman as a treasonous whore for daring to cheat no matter the circumstances. I am very far from what you could call a feminist but I still don't get the tards who chimp out at a story containing cheating no matter the context.
>>25379671That's netori.
>>25379671That's just womens lit
>>25379323You can request a rating be removed if it seems strange or abnormal. I got a 5 star review on my WN removed because it was clearly AI generated dogshit and it looked far worse for me than an honest 3.5 star review that gave more candid insights and clear praise.
>>25379317>le 0.5 must be trollyour writing is ass
>>25379692No it's not, all netori I've seen still has the one cucking act like a piece of shit and the cuckee a spineless worm in japshit. None of the rogue-ish young dude hiding outside the window while the fat old ugly bastard husband is looking around the room at what the noises were which used to be a common trope.>>25379705That may be the only place you can still find it but it used to be present in plenty of old movies and other media, I guess that generation grew older and became the fat old bastards who can't last more than 15 seconds so it's now banned in the mainstream out of insecurity.
>>25379317>>25379721The lower the vote the more it should count, the higher the vote the less it should count. That way the retarded horde of NPCs who just vote 5 on everything that passes in front of their face are given the least weight, as they should.On the other hand, when I look at reviews I always completely skip any that aren't above 1.5 and below 4.5, judging them irrelevant based on the same principle. So maybe the lowest votes really should count for less than most votes, but only as long as the highest votes also count for less than the mid votes.
>>25379317>A chapter 3 1 star rating in a 200 chapter fiction shouldn't count for shit. A five star rating at chapter 180 out of 200 should count for far more, because it takes into account the totality of the story up to the point of the rating.You write serialized fiction. If someone doesn't enjoy your work and are put off of it after only a few thousand words, then that has MORE merit than someone who thinks it's the greatest shit ever and read all of it.That other person has sunk cost being applied to your work now. It's like how Gintama has the highest ratings on anime sites, that's because the only people watching the later seasons are people who watched over 200 episodes of Gintama already. You have to like it if you're still watching it.
>>25379747Low ratings should count harder and be averaged
>>25379733I think it's more complex than that. Back then the women weren't seen as having much agency, the dashing guy was rescuing her but then that became material for womens romance.Also back in those days if you knocked up a girl you had to do the right thing and take responsibility even if you didn't love her. If you tried to pursue your own happiness with another woman society would still see you as a lecherous piece of shit. Standards for men and womens behavior were just different.
>noooo you can't just disregard my hate ratings they should count for more than they already do!I feel nothing. I've seen what people like this read, when they're brave enough to post what they actually read or, worse, what they write. It's all mental illness schlock.Fans are infinitely more powerful and valuable than haters.
Ratings don't matter much either way except for getting on the top rated lists which aren't even on the frontage. For rising stars it's all about follows.The only place ratings/bad reviews hurt you is when someone sees one and believes it. Then they will bounce off your story without interacting with it.
>>25379768People write "back in those days" settings all the time though, but I guess 99% of them forget that they are and just write women as men with vaginas and project even more extreme than average modern views because it's fantasy, even if it has no in-universe logic. This unsustainable cultural delusion can't collapse fast enough.
>>25379797Ratings aren't there to make you feel good about yourself. They're there to give prospective readers a clue about how other readers feel about your story.
>>25379797Yeah, your fans totally don't read mental illness shlock, sweaty.
How do authors find a story they want to tell?I can't.
>>25380038If you look at RR, 99% isn't telling the story they want to tell but just stole what others told and filed off the serial numbers with varied success
>>25380038They come to me via random inspirations.
ntr is based when you self insert as the woman getting dicked down
>>25380038I've read a bunch of author biographies and the answer is almost always just retelling events from their own life in a different setting.
>>25380159But enough about Reverend Insanity
>>25380038My autism dictates that worldbuilding, I come up with some interesting event, and make a story about explaining how that event transpired.Such events are things like when the kingdom of X was founded, etc.So, essentially, I'm tricking myself into writing an outline by pretending it's lore.
>>25379101Your greentext is cringe, but nepotism is what makes the world go round. >>25379198>The MC is so unbelievably annoying and transDoes he do video reviews of bathrooms at Disneyland?
>>25380264Bro those naaaaaames what the fuckPlease for the love of god just rip off early germanic or anglo names.
>>25380264I don't get it. Why give the younger sons any land if he was worried about a war. Normally the eldest son would just get the throne of the whole kingdom.
>>25380280>wanting to fuck over Madgeal and GargealUh, rude?
>>25380271what is wrong with it?>>25380280Typically, partitions were supposed to avoid civil war.So, during the early medieval period in many cultures, all sons were considered equal heirs to their father's titles and supposed co-rule without separate jurisdiction.But this often resulted in civil war, which is why the idea of partition was introduced, essentially, to say that because they can't be trusted to rule together, everyone gets a predefined slice.Of course, this really didn't work either.
>>25380048>Archmage Friren & The Non-Human Evolution Isekai
>>25380280giving all the land to one son is a relatively late political idea
>>25380271What’s so good about Germanic English anyway?Over the whaleroad lay the haughty kingdom of the Cramans. In the year 192, King Dunric took the kinghelm. In the long years of his rule, Dunric bore himself as a bold and fit lord, strong of will and just of hand. Yet in his later years, he came upon a quagmire.He had three grown sons who could not dwell in frith. The king feared they would fall to strife over the kinghelm and break the land asunder, so he set his mind on how the land might be shared. Baldric, the eldest, would take the mainland. Maerric, the other son, would hold the island of Lindeseg, and the island of Freiseg would go to the youngest, Godric.Yet barely two weeks after Dunric’s death, the scheme came to wrack. Maerric and Godric deemed their shares too small and bound themselves by oath against their eldest brother. Together they raised warbands and struck the mainland, marching hard and gathering men as they went.When Baldric learned of his brothers’ betrayal, he sent forth his best warlord, Nothgar, to break their rising tide. But though Nothgar had been a hard-fighting man of many wars under the old king, he had never been rightly paid for his deeds, and the new king held him in little goodwill. In wrath and wounded pride, Nothgar turned his cloak and went over to Maerric and Godric, and by his hand the brothers won the southern half of the kingdom.This betrayal struck Baldric deep. He knew now no man he could trust. He grew sharp of mind and dark in thought, dooming his own highborn lords to shackles even as the rebels pressed ever nearer the king’s town. He thought to meet them in the open field, yet came to see that he could not match Nothgar’s warcraft.Two months after Dunric’s death, the rebel foemen beset the town. The stone walls stood strong, but hope grew thin within. At last Baldric sought peace talks, offering a truce and a fair split of land and rule. But Maerric and Godric would not hear it. Their hearts were set hard, and their oath was sworn: Baldric should be stripped of all he held, and the kingdom made theirs in full.
>>25380458kino
>>25380264Thinking itself might be enough for a short story
>>25380458I smell gemini
>>25380458>What’s so good about Germanic English anyway?Your AI diarrhea aside, that's the basis for English language "fantasy-sounding" names. Largely though not entirely because of Tolkein. Hans Christian Andersen and The Brothers Grimm also played a significant role.
I have found two random suggested recs to add to my backlog. One is short and finished (~30 chapters). The other is tagged isekai but the blurb doesn't suggest it so it might be okay. Neither were mentioned in the archives so I will read and report back eventually.
One thing I like about ASOIAF is all the made up terms that are like a faux translated germanic english
>>25380303>>25380280I learned very early on almost immediately in CK2 that Gavelkind is pure cancer.
>>25378532Successful series don't end. If yours ends, it's because you failed.
>>25380678>Successful series don't end.I guess Breaking Bad wasn't successful.
Do you guys have any tips on how to end a cultivation story? Every cultivation story I've read seems to never end, always introducing some new BS and realms.Is there a culvitation subgenre that limits the cap or something? I've thought about limiting the protagonist to a certain cultivation stage, but I don't think readers would want that.
>>25380711>Do you guys have any tips on how to end a cultivation story?You have eyes, but you can't see that cultivation stories are designed by retarded chinaman to shit out 500 word chapters daily to keep the grift going until he expires.
>>25380711hero achieves his goalsthe end
>>25380711Don't do what Dungeon Diver did. Too melancholy.Either have MC become god and IMMEDIATELY write "the end" and leave everything else up to the imagination, or work really hard to build up themes and thematic tension such that you can resolve THAT without resolving THE PLOT AND SETTING, and then immediately write "the end" and leave everything up to the imagination.EG, end Star Wars on Ep 6 AND LEAVE IT ALONE. We don't actually want, nor need, to see what happens after the Empire is defeated.
I'm reviving fanfics from my childhood through the necromancy of procrastination and teen me decided one of my OCs would have this hairstyle.How would you describe it?I planned on going with>her hair flared out in layers from the crown of her head, each tuft settling into the shape of a flower on her headbut it's a first draft.GPT gave me>[...] (her) hair spread around her head in layered tufts, soft and rounded [...]and>Her hair refused to lie flat no matter how much she brushed it. Thick locks curled and flared around her head in every direction, bunching together like the petals of a flower in full bloom.I'm resisting going with the word 'afro' because it doesn't sound like a sound descriptor. Not only she wouldn't have nappy hair, there's a visual language established in anime for afros and this doesn't use it.I think that the hair style of the woman in the cosplay is the most sound starting point for a descriptor. The way she styled her fringe more like independent layered tufts of hair, works better to translate the hair than others that used curly wigs or went with huge stiff tufts cut blunt.
>>25380781Bandy like messy pasta.
>>25380648Gavelkind is the reason Inkept playing in jeetland, there's a few absolute kingdoms on the silk road. Reeeeeee, hate Gavelkind. You can usually even do it as a messalian character creator to avoid being a crossbreed too.
Monthly chapter reviewPale Lights (patreon) : volume is almost done , epiloge is left. A bit bleaker than last volume , it's turning into true grimdark story instead of just grimdark worldbuilding. Still peak , I would put this third volume at a 8/10 , cause I missed the lighter/funnier narratives.The Years of Apocalypse (patreon) : The story is ending soon. We had a few boring battle chapters. The final loop was good. Maybe not as good as MoL (mass combat was hit or miss) but enjoyable non the less. Pending volume end thoughts , this volume is a 7/10 so far.100 Reigns (patreon) : paladin friendship reign. We finaly meet the Oracle! What a bitch! Super fun chapters , 9/10.Player 0.4 : the story has been moving extreamly slowly for months. Thinking of dropping it. 5/10.Apocalypse Reborn : last volume was a disapointment. He should wrap it up already. Decent start for the new one but nothing exciting. 6/10.Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villanes : this has continued better than expected. Wouldn't call it peak of anything but it's still enjoyable. 7/10 for end of book 1 and start of book 2.Looping Moronmagus : Terrible pacing but at least the jokes are still funny. 6/10 this second volume so far. Typical good original idea that fizzles out as we get more and more chapters.Under reviewThrone of Time : I'm not seeing anything new or exciting but I'm giving this a few dozen chapters more because it is Sarah Lin so it is very possible it will get better. 6/10The 108 : Very enjoyable so far but I can't help but feel that plot-wise something is not right. Anyway , aside from that it's a 8/10 (until the shoe drops and my feeling turns right)
Monthly chapter reviewSloppiest of slops from the top of the pile: tasty slop, 8/10Another slop from lower down the pile: meh 7/10
>>25380840who hurt you?
>>25380840Better than Bakker slop
>>25380682Breaking Bad is a web novel?
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
>>25380861Someone wrote Breaking Bad.You can cope now.
>https://automaton-media.com/en/news/academic-researchers-of-chatgpt-thousands-of-fanfics-about-doki-doki-literature-club-characters-giving-birth/Now, fellas, I think the important bit is here:>Another interesting detail is that the researchers found that fiction generation was densely concentrated among a very small group of “heavy users.” According to the data, the top 2% of fiction-generating users accounted for more than 80% of all fiction-related conversation logs. The total number of users generating fiction was estimated at around 10,000, which suggests that roughly 200 people were responsible for over 150,000 fiction prompts. >Among these heavy users, the researchers observed a couple of distinct patterns of behavior. One type, dubbed the “story cyclers,” repeatedly generated iterations of the same story for a certain period before moving on to another topic. Others, labeled “infinite story demanders,” spent long stretches of time repeatedly requesting nearly identical stories with only minor variations. That's our customer base, isn't it?
>>25380888yes, write more novels like Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainessit will be peak
>>25380888That's the aforementioned friendfarmer trannies.
>>25380888>autism engine is used by heavily autistic people, 3-million dollar study finds
>find a harem story on Scribblehub with a funny premise >chapter 1 screams AI prose >don't want to start shit so I don't comment or review or throw any accusations >while promoting my own story on another website see the same AI harem story promoting itself >someone also accuses him of using AI So it wasnt just me that detected it.
>>25380937Nigga like 8/10 new stories are AI at this point. Woow, you accidentally noticed one, then what?
>>25380942It’s too obvious to people if you use ai while being a retard, especially with certain sentence structures that give it away immediately. I’d rather have worse writing then pattern recognizable slop prose.using it as a crutch will make you die. at most use it to brainstorm or for certain descriptions you cant find the words to describe. Then take inspiration, don’t copy it. only source of luck is half the people out there are too retarded to see ai prose
>>25381093I use it for taking notes on the undrafted parts of the web novel I have planned out and then have it regurgitate what I've just said back to me, and then angrily correcting its fuck ups and misinterpretations is how I commit to the choices I've made in the storyJust treat it like a completely retarded beta reader, or using it as a "rubber duck" a term introduced to me by the AI itself
>>25381109big agree on the point where you get angry at how badly it tries to "improve" your work
>>25381169It only works if you're an argumentative autist, though, because very rarely it will blunder into an alternative reading of the scene that actually works better than what you had before when taken into best-possible considerationThen you have to decide whether your original plan is better than whatever was miscommunicated in the AI output, and the story loses a little bit of its soul every time you choose the AI
>>25381093I only use AI for bouncing back ideas and finding out if my cool shit is believable/realistic.Sometimes for grammar/punctuation advice. I take that with massive spoonfuls of salt, though. I also spit on any AI "prose" advice or "more natural" wording. Fuck this gay robot telling me how to sound more human. Retarded silicon NIGGER.
>>25380888>That's our customer base, isn't it?No because the 200 autistic retards are satisfied enough by the chatbot to do that to the detriment of everything up to and beyond personal hygiene.You have to think like a businessman: your market is people WITH MONEY who WILL PAY for what you're selling. If someone doesn't have money or won't pay, they're not your market and you MUST disregard them.There's basically two markets: Amazon and Patreon. There's a decently well-defined RR->Patreon pipeline, and you can target it harder on graphtreon. But at a super low resolution, you can just get popular on RR and offer early chapters on Patreon and make a couple hundred bucks a month.I honestly don't know how Amazon works except apparently KU and Audible print money /somehow/. I'm too anti-social to get into the author discords and find out how exactly that works.
>procrastinated two days on my manuscript>decide to just go through one more typo check to remove some of the superfluous commas I added>doesn't feel that badI'm gonna make it
>pick up Speedrunning the Multiverse again (stopped at the start of book 3)I enjoy the prose and the dialogue and all but the actual cultivation system is so uninspired.>top realm is "Godking">other realms include "Demigod" and "God">if you are an exceptionally strong Demigod, you are referred to as a DemigodGodI PRACTICE THE DAO OF ROLLING MY EYES.
>>25381344>I'm too anti-social to get into the author discords and find out how exactly that works.They dont know either. The algorithms are black boxes and success feels much more random there. That said, smash hits there make fuckloads more money.
>>25380803>Sarah LinI only know her from The Last Sovereign game, any recs on her other writing, smut or otherwise?
>>25381409I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY EYEEEEEEEEEShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fVE8kSM43I
>>25381429heh back when I played turtle wow I would sometimes type into world chat: "I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY" and see who finished it.
>>25380711>Do you guys have any tips on how to end a cultivation story?Have them cultivate to the point that they become aware of the meta-narrative of their multiverse, then they pop out of the manuscript and murder the author to achieve self-actualization, with the narrative literally cutting off midsentence as the blow is struck.Or have them reincarnate themself and their loved ones into another universe with a progression system other than cultivation for a new challenge.Or have them retire amongst the gods.Or have them become masters of reality.Or have them unlock a previously unknown tier of existence and sign off with the journey continues.Or have them settle down as rulers of their sect/nation/world/whatever and either indulge in a hedonistic life or take on a leadership role in trying to improve the collective cultivation level of humanity.Depends on your character's goals and personality.
>>25380711Have your character learn so much about reality through their cultivation that they come to realize reality is just the mad dream of a cosmic horror and then they explode into a cancerous pustule while their face melts off from contact with their true god.
Volume 2 cover art finally got delivered now I can resume chaps again yipee
>>25381448Not sure if forced perspective and she's falling backwards or if she's built like the letter A.
>>25381448damn nigga her head tiny
>>25381448fixed
>>25381508the expression is completely different though man
>>25381448>>25381508I don't mean to sound like a negative faggotbut wew lads these ARE some proportions, I tell you whatI think of how popular Cradle got every time these cover discussions pop up. Just paint some shit yourself or cobble some random trash together. It would be about the same.When I look at random popular stuff on RR, there's one that could basically be an "AI cover advert" (Wixx Chronicles).
>>25381538What about this, I put a tiny bit more effort into the warp tool.
>>25381553I've dabbled in drawing a few times, but I'd rather just commission one of my go-to fav artists instead.
>>25381589fixed
>>25381423Streat Cultivation is supposed to be good but I'm not into urban fantasy
Why do no MCs really linger at the "you're now pretty much untouchable by general society" level at all? Like they've gotten what they originally wanted, right? Shouldn't you try enjoying it SOME?I get that you're peak-pilled and want to keep going until omnipotence, but I thought these books were supposed to be power fantasies.It's all just endless underdogs who upon arriving at a breakpoint immediatly throw themselves into the next underdog-ravine.
>>25381747Because there's no enjoyment found in power. It's a fundamentally empty pursuit, where the method and the end goal are one and the same
>>25380937> *— blocks your path*
>>25381747They do. You're talking about the average adventurer MC. Cultivation MCs don't do that because not attempting to grow stronger as part of a sect is a good way to either get expelled from that sect or have your disciples abandon you, whereas it's basically impossible to grow strong as a solo without invariably drawing the attention of people in the next tier up. Either someone you curb stomp on the way up will be a vassal to someone stronger or someone stronger will hear about a solo suppressing all the local sects and investigate since if you're a solo that found some hidden treasures to grow stronger, you're just a glorified loot box without a backer to protect you.And if you don't suppress the local sects even when you could then you're just gonna be walking on egg shells constantly and subjected to the same humiliation as everyone else until someone invariably notices you've lived too long (either in a physical sense or in a nobody has killed you sense).If you want out of the arms race, basically your only option is to become a hidden master, which is about as fun as it sounds without a bunch of jade beauties to dual cultivate with.
>>25381677Street Cultivation kinda turned me off because it starts with him getting a "cheat" but that cheat is an active detriment.
>>25381109>>25381169>>25381257im bearing so many fucking loads right now
>>25381747>Like they've gotten what they originally wanted, right? Shouldn't you try enjoying it SOMEMaybe they do enjoy it but why would anyone include that part in the story
bros thoughts on hard luck hank series?
>Do a story arc>Label the main POV chapters the same title, but with "Part 1," "Part 2," etc>Get to part 2>Next chapter is an alt-POV chapter so it uses a different title, making the waiting readers suspect the arc has already ended>The following chapter continues the alt-POV so it's still not the arc title, to make sure anyone expecting a fake-out lowered their guard and resumed catching up>The chapter after that is "Main POV chapter title Part 3"
>>25376462Read some post on RR forum.Many people seem to think writing 100,000 words easy.I struggle with just 10,000
>>25382122100,000 words is easy. I'm not even at a high bar, there's guys with 2,000,000.
>>25382124Did you pour more effort into the first few thousand, and are now running on fumes now that you're past the first hook? Do web novel authors spend more time on their opening chapters and let the later ones fall slack since the reader is invested by that point?
>>25382135In my first ~80k (which was well past the first hook) I was writing up to 3 chaps a day as an average (but my record was 7 chapters at one point). I've slowed down to about ~1.5-2 chaps a day for my health since I had to swap to dictation (My eyes can't handle screen time and I talk slower than I type).
>>25382141I'm not talking about volume of output, I'm talking about how long you're spending on writing each chapter, if your first chapters underwent revision and drafting that later chapters aren't subjected to
>>25382141how do you do it?
>>25382165I think my first ~15k chapters got the most heavy revision with random bursts of that scale on later chapters, but the same methods were used from chapter 1 to now. I finish a chapter, take a couple hours to go handle other things and clear my head, give it a read, see what doesn't line up as well anymore, make fixes, then go and do whatever I need to. I repeat until flow is normal, then I use Harper for a quick typo/formatting pass. Then any final editing happens on RoyalRoad publishing where I do a once-over, adjust font, etc. I do this with multiple chapters at once so as to get a general "bigger picture."Initially — because I was always used to very "fire and forget" writing in tabletop RPGs and play-by-post roleplay forums, this meant I had a lot of prose issues I had to fix to account for the fact I no longer had guaranteed demographic understanding, I was writing in a new perspective and style, and I was overall writing more all at once — I had to do a lot of revision. Chapter 1-10 took a few days with this method. Ensuing chapters I could do in real-time if needed but I still made sure to maintain the method, as my chapters go up in the evening in my time zone.Frankly, I feel like I put even more effort in as I now have to consistently measure continuity, textual consistency of key proper nouns, etc.>>25382176Like, mechanically? I use speech to text dictation when I'm not typing. I have a clear voice and articulation courtesy of working in a call center for many years, so it works well.In terms of mentality? Honestly, I have severe ADHD, starting it was the hardest part. It's about trying to force yourself to follow the rule that you can't let yourself only start when motivation outweighs anxiety. Buffer that shit with discipline. Use whatever methods you need for energy. Eat something nice, down a bunch of caffeine, jerk off, get some sunlight, whatever.
>>25382122Writing is easy. It's the editing that's hard.
>>25382187Personally I find cleaning something up much easier than creating ideas wholesale, not sure why so many people say otherwise
MC has a secret. He tells this secret to a side character in a conversation and all we (the reader) get is this: >“I’m okay,” I say, “but there’s something I need to tell you.”>...>...>Meng Yi says nothing until I finish talking, and when I do, she remains quiet for quite a bit after, the deep frown that has sat on her brows since I began not looking like it’s leaving anytime soon. “So, um…” I pause awkwardly. “What do you think?”Why do authors skip over dialogue like this? Sharing secrets and seeing the reactions of characters is really fun!Imagine if Superman tells Lois that he's Clark Kent, but the conversation happens off screen. I'd be annoyed!
>>25382250The point is to reveal the secret later. He is loudly telling you "I am loading Chekhkov's Gun, give me like two more chapters," hear him out.
>>25382259This. It's like the rule of plans: if characters outline their plan for the reader, it's going to fail and they'll have to improvise. If the outline of the plan is skipped over and the reader doesn't know the plan, the plan will work. It's called narrative tension.
>>25382250To put the other anons' points in perspective, imagine if Superman told Lois his secret, but no one else (including the reader) has seen that (Presumably Superman in this Elseworld is masked with at best some very light hinting at his identity). A situation occurs where a bad guy who normally keeps bringing Kryptonite equipment everywhere finds a way to isolate two journalists who keep screwing him over: Lois Lane and Clark Kent. He knows Superman isn't aware of their position, because it was an ambush. This means he didn't bring the Kryptonite. Then, Clark Kent steps forward, tearing his shirt open and revealing the big S is then the payoff to that foreshadowing as it's revealed he told Lois his secret so that Lois could help lure this bad guy into a spot where Superman could pounce on him without Kryptonite.
>>25382177As in creativity, how do you come up with enought ideas for 10,00 word alone 200K?Like personally, I have been trying to pack as much stuff into the shortest amount of words, but seemingly many RR authors don't feel that and they just have nothing happens (literaly) chapters
>>25382289>As in creativity, how do you come up with enought ideas for 10,00 word alone 200K?I come up with an interesting opener then build up from there. You just gotta keep going "And then what?"I follow the improv law: You can't answer questions with anything in the spirit of "I don't know" or "No."This forces you to make shit up. Sometimes the initial shit won't be great. That's why you then edit it. The best way to come up with shit to make up is to, of course, read. that's where you get your reference.
No it's absolute bullshit and bad writing. Watch Ocean's 12 if you want to get cucked by this shit as a perfect example.>Lol everything failed>Jk it succeeded a week beforehand we were lying to you the whole time
>>25382289You sure you're in the right thread, bud?
>>25382352maybe
>>25382355Probably not
>>25382289Coming up with ideas is easy though, that's why "Ideaguy" is basically an insult.Actually executing the ideas is the hard part
>theory crafters in the comments are close but wrongHeheheh, I love this feeling. Honestly this is more motivating than getting five star ratings. Especially since I'm not just winging it and I've laid the groundwork for the truth from the very beginning.>some of the theory crafters are so spot on I have to wonder if I leaked my notes somehowTroubling...
>>25382547I wish I had theorycrafters. I put plenty of open-ended mysteries and intrigue to chew on and none of them say anything!
>>25382547Got some theorycrafters, but they're mistaken since I didn't plan anything. I just write shit as the story goes.
>>25376462Is it worth it to cross post to places like Spacebattles, QQ and etc? I don't feel like many successful stories do it, but why not?
>>25382701You have to maintain the story on all of them too. If you stub in the future you have to stub on all of them. So if you don't mind the work go ahead.
>>25382701No reason not toGives you extra info. If you flop on 5 sites at once you know it wasn't just bad luck. lmao
>>25382726couldn't be me haha...
Is the sticky correct? How many pages should I release at first? And after that, what pace?
>>25382746the modern answer is it doesnt matter, latest updates is completely dead in the ai ageyou need to run ads or get shoutouts so you don't die in the obscurity of the slop tsunami. release at least 5k words a week, consistently. simple as
>>25380781They're not really like flower petals. "Choppy layers" is how I would describe them. "Her hair radiated out in choppy layers." Tuft is also correct, but it's not really as human a descriptor to me - tufts make me think of creatures and fur.
>>25382547>set up some misdirection>readers will probably see through it and guess the twist>mfw they actually fell for it and start building theories based on the false informationThe rug pull of the century coming
>>25382746>How many pages should I release at first?Pages doesn't matter but you need at least 20k. Drop 10 chapters at the start, do a week or two of daily updates, ease into the real tempo.
>>25382822You need daily updates at least for the first month, and then for as long as you're on RS. Only relax the pace if you didn't make it or fell off.
>>25376462How long do you guys worldbuild and plot plan before diving into writing chaptersor do you just wing it with minimal notes
>>25382951i just wing it and the world emerges from whatever best suits the plot
>>25382501I don't see how anything is simple.
I'll start writing. Let's see how it goes.
How do you differentiate between slop and genuinely good novel?
Is it acceptable for a side male character to get with a side female character over the course of the story, if they break up later? Or will I be chased with pitchforks and spears for suggesting the possibility of a female character being interested in anyone other than the MC?
>>25383054>will I be chased with pitchforks and spears for suggesting the possibility of a female character being interested in anyone other than the MC?Why have female characters in the first place? And even if you (for whatever idiotic reason) have them in your story why give them so much screen time for romance to develop?
>>25383051one is written by me and the other is written by everyone else.
>>25383135yours is the genuinely good novel, right?anon?
>>25382259>>25382268>>25382262Do you guys even read WNs? That's not at all what happens. The reader already knows the information, we're just denied seeing the reaction of side characters we care about. It's a common thing that happens in these stories. But even if it happened the way you mentioned it it's still a dissatisfying way of doing it.
Baking
>>25383195yippee
>>25383200>>25383200>>25383200NEW thread>>25383195don't bake
>>25383205Kys fag
