Is rape justified by the philosophy of Max Stirner?
>>25377300yes. Consent is a spook
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>>25377311Ummm that is NOT okay
>>25377300Rape is just a successful mating strategy from a purely biological viewpoint
>>25377492>someone rapes you>"but I'm a man."lol
>>25377492How exactly do things like the Russian military's absolutely massive male rape culture work as a "mating" strategy? Memoirs report rape as a regular part of life, and a large majority of Ukrainian POWs (almost all men) report it. Russians were actually far less likely to rape women.The Turks did this with captured Brits too, raping the young men repeatedly in WWI. And you hear about it in the East more in both World Wars.Seems more demonic.
>>25378608Lmao,you NAFO trannies are one of the worst people. You retards Can't spend a minute without mentioning Russia.
>>25377300There is no such thing as "justification" for an egoist.
>>25378608Go back to /k/
>>25378608Nothing wrong with having sex with cute twinks
>>25378608VDV? More like HPV
>>25377300He was raped by life, so I imagine so
>>25377300yes but so is keeping the rapist in a cage and torturing him for years and years for entertainment
>>25379132Nonce
>>25377300Freedom is impossible because in order to be free you have to control other people. So total freedom (anarchism) inevitably collapses into total deprivation of freedom (rape).
>>25379917Retarded, psychopathic, and autistic. Stay away from children.
>>25379917Freedom is a spook >Think it over well and decide whether you want to put on your banner the dream of “freedom” or the resolution of “egoism,” of “ownness.” “Freedom” rouses your rage against everything that is not you; “egoism” calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment. “Freedom” is and remains a longing, a romantic lament, a Christian hope for otherworldliness and the future; “ownness” is a reality that, from itself, removes just as much unfreedom as hinders you by barring your own way. You will not want to renounce what doesn’t bother you, and when it starts to bother you, why, you know that “you must obey yourselves rather than men”!
Good thing everything ever is a spook, I might have to actually come up with a genuine way of living otherwise
>>25378601>>25378608I'm sorry but your lust for cock is not a legitimate rebuttal
>>25380075>genuinespook
my understanding of Stirners philosophy is that you just have 2 be urself, if you're somehow okay with rape then rape is okay
>>25379943>autistic means you touch kidsI'm gonna strangle you with your own intestines
>>25378608>nafotranny escapes his reddit colony enclosure on /k/ and immediately starts fantasising about Russians raping his ass
23 posts so far, and no one has yet to actually give a valid argument in favor or against egoism / liberation by rape or provide a definition for what it is even is. Pretty lame and not really committal desu
>>25378608It's funny how the US and Russia made complete laughingstocks of themselves, and China is just sitting back, patiently waiting for its time to shine as it gains control of global supply lines and invests in R&D. America really needs to dump Israel.
>tfw you form a union of rapists
>>25377300yes, but so is fighting off rape, think of it as an egoismic duel
>>25381478Consent is a spook
>>25377300Basically all male-female interaction is based on rape. It's kinda unavoidable
>>25382032That’s why we need laws and society to protect women.
>>25382038We need government matchmaking programs to allocate women to men
>>25382047That’s communism
>>25382051its actually bourgeois capitalism. read the fucking manifesto already.
>>25382446>read the fucking manifesto alread-ACK
>>25377300philosophically speaking there's no such thing as rape
>>25382508Wrong. All of social interaction is built on the dichotomy of Rapist vs. The Raped.
Justifications only matter to the just.
>>25382624talk about a fucking aphorism
>>25382624>the dichotomy of Rapist vs. The Raped.If we are going by Nietzsche, then rape proper, is the 1st stage of love.The 2nd is gaslighting (manipulatively outsourcing the punishments onto the victim oneself).The 3rd is self-mutilation of the 'rapist' (trying to actually become the mask, out of jealousy that the victim prefers the mask over the 'real' you)."The difference between men does not manifest itself only in the difference between the tables of the goods they possess but also in the fact that they consider different goods worth striving for and that they are at odds among themselves about what is more or less valuable, about the rank ordering of the commonly acknowledged goods—the difference becomes even clearer in what counts for them as really *having* and *possessing* something.So far as a woman is concerned, for example, a more modest man considers having at his disposal her body and sexual gratification as a satisfactory and sufficient sign of having, of possession. Another man, with his more suspicious and more discriminating thirst for possessions sees the “question mark,” the fact that such a possession is only apparent, and wants a more refined test, above all, to know whether the woman not only gives herself to him but also for his sake gives up what she has or would like to have. Only then does he consider her “possessed.” A third man, however, is at this point not yet finished with his suspicion and desire to possess. He asks himself if the woman, when she gives up everything for him, is not doing this for something like a phantom of himself: he wants to be well known first, fundamentally, even profoundly, in order to be able, in general, to be loved. He dares to allow himself to be revealed.—Only then does he feel that the loved one is fully in his possession, when she is no longer deceived about him, when she loves him just as much for his devilry and hidden insatiability as for his kindness, patience, and spirituality.One man wants to possess a people: and all the higher arts of Cagliostro and Cataline he thinks appropriate for this purpose. Another, with a more refined thirst for possession, tells himself “One is not entitled to deceive where one wants to possess.” —He is irritable and impatient at the idea that a mask of him rules the hearts of his people: “Hence I must *let* myself be known and, first of all, learn about myself!” "(BGE #194)
>>25382624The rapist and the raped are just two sides of the same rape coin.
Is there actually more to this guys philosophy than "me having to live in society is a spook"
>>25384008Let me guess, you “need” more?
>>25380418wrong, being a slave to passions, in Stirner's view, fits his description of "possessedness"
>>25384008None of this thread is actually engaging with Stirner's thoughts, and this is the case for most Stirner threads on this board. All of what you read is people engaging in lowly self-pleasing by interacting with caricatures and easy to beat up statements that Stirner never emitted.
>>25384744So what exactly is a spook then
>>25378711>>25379106>>25380792Twitter normies buck broke you so hard lmao
>>25381478Because no one cares
>>25384752A spook is an abstract concept that people reify and subject themselves to, be it god, humanity or the state.
>>25385359>dude laws aren't real>dude consequences aren't real>they're simply abstract concepts designed to keep you a slaveSo everyone ITT is indeed correct when they mock this retarded system of just calling everything a spook
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>>25386069>no universal at all>no fixed essences>total dissolution is the point>can't prove there is anything unique about himYou are more or less correct to say that calling everything a spook is retarded. That's the freebie from Stirner. No one in this thread can prove uniqueness so it's incredibly difficult for them to understand why everyone doesn't just become a voluntary egoist, which would also refute Stirner. The actual Stirner was basically a megalomanical nobody who couldn't refute Hegel. This isn't to say he said nothing of any worth but rather, he didn't accomplish his intended goal of a dissolution of all previous philosophy nor did he accomplish anything outside his own head. This is entirely a byproduct of his own thought.
>>25379917Correct
>>25382038No we don't
>>25381841The problem is the Chinese aren't white
>>25386198>hegel Spooked
>>25377300Rape is funnyRape is coolRape is correctRape necessary(((Women))) need to accept their places, as holes to be filled by men. The sooner this happens, the better everything will be.
>>25382498>produce a thorough critique, as is standard in philisophical discourse>stirnerteens don't read it and take the mere fact of its existence as evidence that marx was mad, and therefore incorrectI don't get this about egoists. They're uniquely unable to engage with criticism
>>25387142 Vgh I know... it’s just that I'm not gonna read all that HAHAHAHAHA…
>>25382446My brother in syndicalism, Jenny was a Redshield E-Girl
>>25386227>requires Hegelian dialectic to purportedly, or perhaps 'eloquently', dismiss Hegelian dialectic.>best case scenario is a paradox which still qualifies.>Stirner takes the irrational route and is forced to claim the others, young Hegelians in his time or egoists any other time, are still not separated enough from religion.>either you accept Stirner's conclusion you're just meat puppet that has to do something about all your bullshit or you can go for an insurrection of 1 and turn out just like Stirner.Bravo, you apparently spooked yourself.
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>>25387334If you can reach that level of society wide voluntary egoism then the refutation to Stirner would be worth it and you get to be somewhere on the Marxist spectrum. >No spooks required.
>>25387342>Marxist spectrumSpook
>>25387357In Stirner's own words:>I do not limit myself to one feeling for men, but give free play to all that I am capable of. I can love, love with a full heart, and let the most consuming glow of passion burn in my heart, without taking the beloved one for anything else than the nourishment of my passion, on which it ever refreshes itself anew. Unable to define yourself as man, unable to define yourself as god, the stirner must slurp the spooks of men. >judgement free zone. I'm not interested.
