Man is the spirit of all living beings EditionStubbed >>25376462>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY Recommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopiit's peak
If any remembers born under a black sun, I am currently working on a new series. It isnt really web novelly, but from a certain POV one might say it is a fantasy city being isekai’d into a vastly different fantasy setting
>>25383233As long as there are no femc and supporting female characters
Holy shit are these threads awful
>>25383259Two of the five MCs are women, and both are evil and sexy
>>25383233>If any remembers born under a black sunI don't.
>>25383259This anon hates women
>>25383278is there a hapless twink male MC they fawn over and want to protect?
>>25383233Neat. Good luck with it.
>>25383286I hate stupid people, irrational people, people who are incapable of reason and logic and most women tend to be like that.
>>25383299just read yaoi
>>25383308I am not gay, I also don't want to read fiction written by female authors.
>>25383317but it has no female characters
>>25383299Most men tend to be like that too, and if you only enjoy "rationalist literature" your logic and reasoning skills are below midwit level. If it weren't already obvious from shitposting here instead of being busy with other hobbies "rational" spergtismos usually have.
>>25383326To be fair I don't like most men either but men in general tend to be somewhat more logic and reason oriented.
>>25383278>five MCsWhat possesses a person to write something this retarded?
>>25383288No, bur there is a younger boy possessed by a very nasty creature that one is supposed to kill, but in return the boy has a huge crush on her. >>25383337That is pretty common in fantasy stories
>>25383400Who's the main MC, though?
>>25383401A mad navigator with magic map
>>25383412So you have one MC, then?
>>25383400>herStopped reading there
>>25383413Nope, he’s just the first character in the rotation
>>25383337Maybe it's elizer yudkowski in a wig.
I'm too retarded to be a writer. I give up. Goodbye forever.
Three MCs, two of them become villains the third opposes by the end
>>25383317what a newfag lol
>>25383613>I'm too retarded to be a writer. I give up. Goodbye forever.See you tomorrow.
>>25383637I'm too retarded to log onto 4chan.org tomorrow. Goodbye forever.
Is releasing 1k word chapters bad?
>>25383625Oh, let me guess, one of the villains is self-righteous but takes things too far and starts hurting and sacrificing people he should be protecting and the other is disillusioned by a system that turned its back on him when he needed it most and just wants to watch the world burn?
>>25383649I don't care how many words your chapters are. All that matters is how long I have to wait between the sex scenes and that you hit at least 100k words (80k for futa (50k for futa harem)).
Are there actual girls in this thread
>>25383689hiii :3
hi <3
>>25383677no, one of the villains is a xianxia protagonist
We've only got ONE chapter of Saving the School in 32 days. Why must life be so hard?!
>>25383200Is just or me are these threads slower during weekends?
>>25383975we're all busy jerking off on weekendsmost WNs have a mon-fri release schedule
>>25383852>>25383975Summer Slump+Weekend Wane
Three POV characters.Villain protagonist, hero antagonist, and villain love interest.
>>25383317>he had to look up what yaoi isYou poor, poor summerchild.Enjoy your innocence while it lasts.
Three POV characters.The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Three POV characters.Me, myself, and I (DID protagonist)
>>25384186>making the protagonist your PoV characterEw
>>25383975website is dead
>>25384282How else will you NTR the reader?
what the FUCK is a NTR?
How do you edit your works?
>>25383200>there's multiple lovers tagHow come I never see it?
>>25384497
>>25384545Is looking at empty webpages a fetish of yours?
>>25384399>How else will you NTR the reader?Generally the POV character isn't the protagonist of NTR stories. Either the character sleeping around or the character they are sleeping with is.
>>25384550>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>empty
>>25384349It's 4th of July long weekend for Americans.
>>25384193Not new, it's just I am not interested in those /a/ things and have even less interest in some (gay) coomer nonsense.
>>25384545HOLY BASED TRADCHAD
>>25384611it's just funny how you ended up in a web novel thread without knowing what yaoi is4chan alone is mostly anime, and so you should. but webnovels are 500% more niche than yaoi. it's just backwards discovery. you're going through this in reverse
>>25384631>it's just funny how you ended up in a web novel thread >without knowing what yaoiThe two have little to no relation.
>>25384634not directly but they exist in adjacent ecosystems don't be willfully stupid
>>25384634You sure?>>25384631/lit/ was a bubble of non-weebs for a long time before /wng/ was created. It's like our own little Sentinel Island.
>>25384631dumb retard, only weebs know what "faggot" is in japanese.
>>25384663>/lit/ was a bubble of non-weebs for a long timeThat explains why the board is so fucking faggy
>>25384663/wng/ is mostly royal road slop and chink novels, absolutely nobody reads japanese novels
>>25384538The harem tag was renamed to multiple lovers relatively recently because the word harem offends redditors or something.
>>25384710I read RR and chink slop and also like anime. We're talking about the people using the thread not what's discussed in the thread exactly since >>25384611 said they're not interested in /a/ things.
>>25384718>since >>25384611 (You) # said they're not interested in /a/ things.To clarify I meant not interested in the many idiotic genres of anime and the entire subculture of it, I watched dragon ball, naruto and bleach and few other mainstream shows.
>>25384710>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>absolutely nobody reads japanese novels
>>25384778Do japanese even write?
>>25384717it's cultural appropriation
>>25384786If anything they write too much
Is FictionPress still a thing?
If I read the words "curses" "damnation" or "cohort" one more fucking time I swear to God.
Japshit is better than Chinkshit to be honest.
How often do you upload to RR and how long are your chapters? I upload 5 days a week (still got 80+ backlog) and my average chapters are 2300 words long, sometimes 3000, and never under 2000. I'm making $110USD on Patreon since february and uploaded my first chapter in november 2025. Is that a good record? It isn't nearly as impressive as the magical girls stories i based mine on.
>>25384851...is that ever a question?
>>25384851Japshit is the worst of the worst, even RR ai novels are better than japshit
>>25384851japshit is even worse than gookshit
>>25384786Japan popularize the "light novel".>>25384851
>>25384910>xianxia>>25384545
>>25384910popularizeD*
My bookmark is still royalroadl.
>>25384912This looks to be 1) a grouping of random tags and 2) a poor attempt to drag me into some strawman argument.
>>25384910I'm writing left. Is it over for me?
RoyalRoad never recovered from chink's commercial writing disease.
>>25384851The best of the chinkshit (LotM, RI) roflstomps anything and everything that comes out of Japan, but even the worst of japshit wipes the floor with the average chinkshit.
>>25384917Quickly pivot by having your MC get young master dares'd by right and change story pov to right.You're welcome.
>>25384853If you're not making $1000+ within 3 months, then it's a flop and something has gone seriously wrong. Especially if you post that often.
>Kael>Elara
>>25384853how are you incentivizing your patreon? extra chapters that aren't yet released, polls or other bs, or something else?
>>25384876>>25384878what is a gu?
>>25384946You should ask Spectral Soul.
>>25384946
>>25384946The essence of heaven and earth!
Does ScribbleHub permit true underage characters with smut or is it exclusively physical age regression/young-looking?
>>25384910>light novelWhat is that?
>>25384922Look at the many webnovel sites and novel ratings. Japanese novels barely ever reach top 100s.
>>25385067https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=%22light+novel%22
>>25385063Nope. Lolibabas only. I don't think any WN site permits underage because of payment processors. You might be better off with AO3.
>>25385072>Look at the many webnovel sites and novel ratings. Japanese novels barely ever reach top 100s.Does it really matter for websites? The most popular Japanese webnovels (which are turned into light novels, anime, and manga etc.) are probably more successful and branched out than any of those at the top of those sites.Not defending them, I'm just saying they are more established with actual fanbases and fanartists.
>>25385099wrong
>/wng/ — Weeb Novel Generalwhat the hell? wasn't this the web novel general?
Let's talk Web Novels.What is the most recent web novel you have started reading, in terms of publication date?
>>25385067>Doesn't know what light novels are>in the webnovel generalYou disgust me, you tourist
>>25385125I like my novels how I like my women
I've been reading a shitload of Player Manager. Interesting how Ted Steel keeps finding new ways to present the story in a various of (text-based) mediums.
So, why do anons here seethe at Japanese novels so much? Is it jealousy?I don't like 99.9% of them, but their success doesn't need an explanation for them. They're also the reason why "those" genres of western webnovels are so popular.
>>25385110>no rebuttlelol, if you are gonna be a contrarian, at least attempt in doing so. Just admit you are incorrect instead.
>>25384853My first completed vol i just posted as soon as I was done with writing snd editing a chap, since I had largely finished it but I still found myself adding a few additional chapters i didnt write originally on top of having to actually edit them even after launch. Now im scheduling every 4 days for the next volume but I dont feel I can maintain that consistency for long since this section wasnt prewritten and its mostly fog of war except for major story beats and the part's natural stopping point. My chapters range from 2k to 6k but im willing to finish one at 1k or below if it meets my criteria of telling all I can in the storynin the chapter and at least adding something to the world or the Mc, preferably all 3.
I read the first 29 chapters of this, it's trash. The plot is fucking retarded, the characters act retarded, the dialogue is autistic (I kind of like that actually), the male characters don't behave/think like men (female author).
>>25385149If an anon wrote something like this about my web novel I honestly think I would kill myself
>>25385138>so muchits like 4 tourists bitching about light novels in the webnovel thread is highly retarded. /sffg/ posters who aren't aware where they are
>>25385076>LolibabasWinnies for this feel?
>>25385099>Not defending them, I'm just saying they are more established with actual fanbases and fanartists.Those fanbases exist only because of manga adaptations. Japanese people in general are incapable of reading, even if there are talented authors in Japan there is no point in writing fiction because nobody will read it.>>25385125That'a japanese term
Genuinely how does someone end up reading Chinese webnovels while knowing nothing about Japanese otaku culture?
>>25385214Genuinely how does someone end up thinking that the only way to find out about webnovels is because of weebshit?
>>25385214Is there a relation between the two?>>25385138Literally because of weak and retarded mcs. See pic in >>25384910I really don't understand what goes in the minds of japanese creators to produce characters like that.
>>25385215Can you answer my question instead of getting offended over genuinely incredulity?
>>25385223no
>>25384930Lots of Kaels and Elaras and Hawthornes adventuring these days
>>25384930>>25385239redpill me on this, are these the first fantasy names AI reaches for?
The reason you keep seeing Kael and Elara in ai slop is because it's super incestuous. There's more ai slop for it to train on than human made slop since humans take longer and they have them being trained on ai chats and gens. It's the serpent eating it's own tail.
>>25385255Where's the sense in using AI gens to train AI? It's like teaching babies to talk by playing back their own gugu-gaga at them
>>25385281AI needs more training data but they used all the data>It's not an ideal situation thoughWow you should go and tell the researchers that, huge breakthrough
>>25385281ai just scrapes data and hardly any ai-generated content is flagged as suchmanually curating a dataset that you are 100% sure was only written by humans is more work than simply dumping everything into its training data
>>25385255Even the early models before it broke mainstream generated Kael and Elara a lot
>>25385294It's because back in the 2010s some amateur authors were using them in indie fantasy fiction. Then the ai that AI Dungeons was using picked up on that. Then ai started training on the outputs of that and so on.
>>25385281What is gugu-gaga?
>>25385299Early gpt models were trained on Ai dungeon output? Feels like a source just trust me bro situation. There was plenty of real data left to train on back then
>>25385305For specifically making fantasy slop yeah.They accidentally scraped stuff off of reddit (r/aidungeon) and chooseyourstory.com.It's also why it writes like a blog poster. It scraped all the blogs and buzzfeed articles. Then people used ai to make those slop sites that aggregate information and then ai trains on the slop sites.
>>25385282>>25385284Maybe the problem isn't the lack of data but that the data is trash and ineffectively used!
>>25385316>r/aidungeonSeems like it's being trained on RR now too. Archmages have broken containment!
>>25384930Would you say that coming across the name Kael causes you to experience a minor setback?
>Delve in hiatusjail>wisher beware in hiatusjailIs there any wn thats about bringing civilization thats not in hiatus?
>>25385358>pick a cumbersome setting with unreal goals>run out of steam and lose motivationWho could've seen that coming!?
bros i fear my draft is worse than if i were to just feed the premise into an ai as a prompt
>>25385604that’s ok, being dogshit is what gives your work its sovl vs ai slop
>>25385604I'd rather a bad story written by a man than a boring story written by a machine. The former can be fixed, the latter has nothing worth fixing.
>>25385617>>25385624specifically my draft feels like a human writer trying to imitate aior it's like i'm looking at what ai deems "good writing" and im trying and failing to imitate itit is a boring story written by a man
>>25385661Boring stories written by men are very difficult to really be boring. At minimum, you're prying into the writer's brain. AI doesn't have a brain, it's autocorrect with a giant context pool and thus it can't really think the way a person does (even the models with "thinking" just runs itself recursively a few times then summarizes those recursions). This book is terribly boring, terribly written, and I always recommend people read it so you can understand how batshit insane the author is.
Putting the words on paper is so difficult anons... it's like pulling teeth out with plastic spoons. I have a lot of ideas but my mind goes at a complete blank when converting them onto a page.Is it because I just need to read more? Would that help?
>>25385675no you just need some discipline you little bitch
>>25385675Reading a bit more can help, but the big thing of actually doing anything is stopping yourself from relying on your motivation to outgrow your anxiety (or depression, or whatever other emotion is holding you back) and instead enforce a discipline that always outweighs your hang-ups.
>>25385682Why are you so mean to me...>>25385692> instead enforce a discipline that always outweighs your hang-ups.So, what you're saying is to force myself into actually writing instead of giving up too early if my mood is not the best is what you are saying? I shouldn't rely purely on my motivation?
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
>>25385710>I shouldn't rely purely on my motivation?yepthis is how everything is madeno creative work is seen to completion out of sheer persistent desire for the process alone
>>25385710Correct. Make it. Just fucking make it, doesn't matter if it's good or bad, follow the arbitrary steps. When you get to what you think is a good stopping point, then congratulations, you've written your first draft. You can then review and edit it into your next draft, as many times as you think is necessary before you get to the final draft which you then post.
>>25385722>>25385728>Correct. Make it. Just fucking make it, doesn't matter if it's good or bad, follow the arbitrary steps.>You can then review and edit it into your next draft, as many times as you think is necessary before you get to the final draft which you then post.I understand why we were taught to make a rough draft in school now. Forcing the words out of me to actually put something on paper is important to get a general idea and then using that draft to refine it to make something better.I was overthinking things to think everything should be perfect on the first chance. Thank you anons for the advice!
>>25385740When you start just doing it, it becomes easier.
>>25385748How many of those words are worth reading, anon?Be honest.
>>25385751Decently, I think. I like reading it and I like writing it.
>>25385751I ask you "how many of those words are worth reading", and your answer is "decently"?
>>25385751>>25385756Dunno why I wrote it like that. I'm pretty decently confident all of them are worth reading if you want to read them. I more just posted it to show that you can write a lot when you let yourself write.Anyways how many words have you written?
>>25385751what does worth reading even mean? even most classics arent worth reading according to some, get out of here with that pseud nonsense
To expand on what was already said, motivation is only temporary, it's impossible to stay motivated all the time. It's like a little buff you can use to get a boost of productivity or to get through procrastination and anxiety etc but it doesn't last.Only discipline can overcome these things long term and produce anything. Just look at anything around you, old historical buildings, high-rise condos. All of it was built off of discipline. If architects and workers had to rely on only motivation nothing would ever get built. A soldier even during war time has to go through menial tasks and crushing boredom for over 99% of the time they're in uniform. It's all discipline, motivation comes in for the less than 1% when their officer gives them a pep talk before something is about to happen.If you want to achieve anything you have to do work even when you don't want to, there is no cheat. I wish I knew this stuff when I was younger but all the commonly available advise was still based around motivation and "life-hacks" bullshit back then.
>>25385787people give boomers a lot of shit but there's no creature I'd rather hear speak less than a gen xer
>>25385787Irl that may be the case but in fiction you can just write mc that is always motivated.
>>25385767>even most classics arent worth reading according to someThat would be me.
>>25385834pseud thinks contrarianism makes him sound smart, more at 5. you are not enlightened you're just fucking stupid
>>25385837bodied that loser
>>25385831Like Spectral Soul
>>25383200Any anons here want to coordinate a co-reading of web novel?I.e. we read the same novel to discuss it here.
>>25385918post what you're interested in reading
>>25385923Rebirth of the Nephilim
>>25385926>looking for people to read smut withhuh..
>>25385930sounds fun
>>25385918I recently downloaded and read the first chapter of>A Knight's LiliesSome random ongoing isekai shit where it appears a girl burned to death then was reborn into wherever the fuck she is. The author has multiple pages-long appendices elaborating upon the various kingdoms and cities and tribes, etc. I was not very enthralled.>Scarlet DominionAppears to be yuri revenge, the prologue is a current time into the rest of the story being how she got there. For some reason, the font displays weird on my e-reader when I don't have this problem with other stories. Meh.
>>25385923Something war and military?
>>25385942>Appears to be yuri revengePredictable.
This just happened a week ago. How are Koreans so powerful?
>>25386028>gookslop removedIs this supposed to be a bad thing?
>>25385969Heh.The premise is that she was a discarded heir because she was not a man. So probably volatile female screeching.
>>25385149picked up.... until I realized it's MMO gaymer transmigration dogshitDROPPED
You know what Royal Road needs?More autistic archmage stories. It's unexplored territory. I think we need every single web novel on Rising Stars to be a story about an autistic archmage.
You think if payment processors were regulated like utilities, RR would be 90% porn?
>>25386112No because even when it was just fanfics it wasn't 90% porn
People who put a colon in their title other than fanfictions should be publicly beaten.
>>25386112Maybe if it used the coins system for chapter unlocks like Webnovel.com.That kind of system rewards putting r-18 chapters behind a paywall.
>>25386028Most countries have strong intellectual property laws, Korea and Japan for that matter view their media as important both for cultural influence abroad and economically, both have strong legal systems set up to help businesses go after piracy with government backing, and both have nationalistic populations that get butthurt about foreigners getting one over on them.Ironically this is despite the fact that a lot of the shit getting pirated is shit both countries are trying to regulate into oblivion, ie porn and smut, and also despite the fact that a lot of the shit being pirated would be physically fucking impossible for anyone abroad to get legally.Novelpia won't even let you fucking see an adult rated novel without a fucking Korean id.
>>25386130>People who put a colon in their title other than fanfictions should be publicly beaten.What about for named arcs like LotR?
Any of you in a discord for a story you're a patron for? I was wondering if you have to deal with not spoilering the advance chapters if there's a separate channel for non-subs. Also do you notice the RR comments for the story are dry because the most dedicated readers are on advanced chapters?
>>25385942>yuri revengeI will now read your slop
>yuri revengeI will not read your slop
>>25386135I mean webnoves while whole on RR and such, not chopped up into books. Seeing how many new fictions have titles like "X:the Y", even some rising stars, gives me brain damage.
X, the Y: Z of A
>>25386172
>>25386172Im a retard and I need an example of this
Xenai, the Yuriginator; Zaisen of Alphenia.
>>25383200>RE: Deity - The Breath of CreationWhenever I read the original, I can't stop reading.But the rewritten version just reminds me of the cancers plaguing the site.
Anyone doing the Honeyfeed contest?
>>25386213Yes, but not for Kadokawa.
>>25386226Novelous?
>>25386183Lord of, the Rings: Return of the King
>>25386183Arc the Lad: Twilight of the SpiritsIt spiritually has a comma there.
>>25386213Aye, and if I somehow win, I'll be sure to tell all of you.
>>25386251Yup. I doubt I'll win though.
>>25386183Isn't this the same? >>25386211>RE: Deity - The Breath of Creation>X: Y - Z of A
>>25386262You can at least get bragging rights if you make it as a finalist.
>>25386281I will exercise those bragging rights if you tell me who was the second man on the moon.
>>25386297Adolf
>pick up novel>litrpg slopIt's so tiring, I'm picking up books to take a break from gaming and numbers ffs
>>25386329You might want to give my Honeysneed entry a try. It's 6k only so far, but I'm planning to release the rest when I lose.
>>25386337Ok I will pick it up, I already know the name by reading your mind
>>25386341Great minds think alike.Echoes from the Anomalous Zone. I'm trying not to shill, anon.
>>25386329I have literally never read a litrpg that was remotely similar to any real world game. Not saying they don't exist, but this is like comparing apples and Michelin tires.
>>25386348Because most people who write LitRPGs either don't actually play games or they actually hate the numbers part of the genre.
>>25386329Go to your filters and put in litrpg as an exclusion, gamelit for good measure too. Problem instantly solved. Might wanna do isekai, just for good measure if you don't like that either.
>>25386348I mean litrpg exists to appeal to gaymers, the way it appeals to them is the way it feels redundant or annoying to me, as I also play game but I don't want to be pandered to in a medium that is not interactive and has no need for hard numbers and systems
>>25386357I don't think it's only gamers. It's just people that like seeing the progression. Litrpg just makes it straightforward to write. It's like training wheels for people that can't make a good hard power system that's actually just part of the setting.You say there's no need for hard systems but they actually make the stories more immersive, every single story with an asspull magic system or a litrpg system could be improved by being a Brandon Sanderson hard system instead.Anyway litrpg is actually shrinking in it's share of the scene without actually growing smaller in absolute numbers. Non-litrp progression seems to be getting more popular mostly thanks to the influence of cultivation funny enough.
>Non-litrp progression seems to be getting more popular mostly thanks to the influence of cultivation funny enough.Love em or hate em, LotM, Shadow Slave and yes, Reverend Insanity have done wonders for the medium.
Am i suppose to get the archmage coefficient power system? I'm at chapter 15 and I feel retarded
As a non-gamer fan of traditional fantasy, I hate LitRPG.
I like LitRPG, Gamelit, Progression, Cultivation, all of that jazz. You know what I don't like? Millenialisms.It really limits how much western media I can enjoy, especially in the wn space. These unfunny bastards cram it in everywhere and refuse to take anything seriously. Let me get engrossed, even it's inherently silly.
>>25386444It makes more sense from chapter 25-50. Just think of it as hacking (the world) with chemistry. Ignore any math and just look at inputs and outputs.Neat system but it's a shame the story is litrpg. Hopefully someone rips it off and does a better story with it.
>in 2026 websites that serve mainly text have graphic options
>>25386484The internet has fallen.Seriously, unironically. Retards have taken the wheel.
>>25386484niggas take the "litrpg" thing a level too far
>>25386489the issue isn't retard devs it's that retard consumers love this shitthe 1% complain but the 99% where preference data actually comes from is what devs follow
>>25386213I don't want to be kadokawa's slave and pretty sure they're not giving you the main prize unless you sign with them
>>25386484Web browsers using hardware acceleration has been a thing for over a decade
>>25386526dumb retard
>>25386530"dumb retard" spammer is a tech illiterate, apparently
>>25386536Well it is /lit/
>No saving the school yet againdead for good?
>>25386569Yes, shut up
>>25386524>I don't want to be kadokawa's slave and pretty sure they're not giving you the main prize unless you sign with themThey can't be that bad. If they were, we'd see people talking about it like with Webnovel's contracts.
>>25386619Being stuck churning out tropey children's books on demand for shit pay is terrible enough even without the threat of total legal assrape
>>25386626>t. R.L. Stein
>>25386569Not quite but I don't see his writer's block getting better from now on.
>>25386619Very little is as bad as the WN/Qidian slavers but you have to watch out for trad publishers too. You have to make sure you go over everything and negotiate so you don't end up with right of first refusal/matching rights for your work other than what's just in the IP they're publishing and also things like non-competes.
anyone have dungeon core recommendations?getting the craving again
>>25386706https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/43271https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/37231https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/10519https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21045
>>25386712>bound dungeon>abandoned almost a decade ago at chapter 39miraculous that you remember thisI've read all the restdamn this old, forgotten genre
>>25386727>miraculous that you remember this>almost a decade agoHas it been so long?
>>25386727Try Divine Dungeon by Dakota Krout.However, only read book 1-3.
>>25386736Not him, but tempus fugit. Sometimes I think of the past and realise I can map it to specific 4chan events because that's what sticks.
>Bound DungeonI wish more dungeon uses bloody ecosystem evolution.
Does anyone do the Royal Road contests? Is it remotely worth it?On a separate note, does any successful author have a "What to expect" in their synopsis? Usually when I see that it makes me think that the story may be webnovel tier slop.
>>25386861I did the Writathon the other month. I was late so I didn't get the big benefit (Going up on the first round of first list of early winners) but a month of premium was enough to convince me to drop $60 for a year.
>>25386861Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi has a "What to expect" in its synopsis.
>>25386738I remember that guy. He made a funny reddit post years back that floated around a little bit about some voice actor wanting to charge him lots more money like midway through one of his book series.I tried to read two or three series by this guy but it was very hit or miss, and I missed too often.
>>25386861>On a separate note, does any successful author have a "What to expect" in their synopsis?I thought that was the most retarded shit ever.Are people not aware what a premise is? Are you supposed to advertise being predictable and having no twists as positive?
>>25386951name one novel that spoils a twist in its "What to expect" section
>>25386951Many readers are too lazy and retarded to read the synopsis. Many authors suck at telling what their story is about. Both are only able to communicate through a bullet point list of buzzwords. Of course, you're not supposed to really tell what to expect in the "what to expect" bit. You're meant to choose the meme slogans that are trendy right now to market effectively.
>>25386861>On a separate note, does any successful author have a "What to expect" in their synopsis?The SS author does it.
>>25386975Four times too much?
>>25386981Nah, if anything it's spoiling far too little because it's becoming more and more apparent that the author is a fujoshi.
How long have you been writing for? Did you improve a lot from when you first started?
>>253870874 months.No.
>>2538708712 years. No.
>>25387087On and off for 3 years. I think I've gotten worse desu
My Wife Is A Max Level Archmage is pretty good.
>>25387087Around a decade. Yes, since reading most of my older work makes me want to kill myself. Anything newer than around 6 years is fine tho.
>>25387200How old were you when you wrote the work that makes you want to kill yourself?
>>25387202The content is fine actually, the prose and writing style just ticks off the "hearing your own voice" cringe really hard. My earliest, EARLIEST writing, long before I actually started writing in any serious fashion, was a gurren lagann x singularity the game x infinity wars crossover fanfiction about a cyborg wizard that i never posted anywhere. In retrospect it was actually cool as fuck.
>>25387189Thanks for reading!
>>25386861>On a separate note, does any successful author have a "What to expect" in their synopsis?I don't think I've ever started reading a story because of what it says in "what to expect." I have avoided picking up a bunch of stories because of what they wrote in "what to expect.""No harem" written out is a bit of a red flag for me. I don't particularly care whether there's a harem relationship in a story, but stories that feel the need to point it out are often unsatisfying.
>>25387087I've been posting on /lit/ since 2019
>>25387281>I have avoided picking up a bunch of stories because of what they wrote in "what to expect."Isn't that the point of them?
>>25387281>but stories that feel the need to point it out are often unsatisfying.lol it wasn't so long ago that these threads had a bunch of anons saying harem was an instant drop point for them, for that same reason
>>25387308The FMC crowd doesn't like male wish fulfillment? I refuse to believe that!
>>25387290It is. Lots of low ratings and poor reviews are basically saying "this isn't what I expected/wanted and now I've wasted some of my time and now I'm going to punish the author for that."Because of how the rating system works, bad ratings weigh more than good ratings so putting a very detailed synopsis and "what to expect" section, while gauche, is a good idea. Better to avoid 20 0.5 star ratings than to retain a few pseuds actually checking Royal Road for literature to read instead of just reading the classics.
What do we think of the new Mecanimus?
>>25387315Why would feMC enjoyers pick up male-lead harem in the first place, you brain-burned gooner?
>>25387328Because they are retarded enough to pick a harem story up only to instantly drop it because it's harem?
>>25387341Usually they pick it up for the otherwise sane premise, and then drop it because of the harem tag, because harems are, without exception, badly written dogshit by people who have never held hands with a woman
>>25387344Seethe more, tranny.
I recently came across what appeared to be a competently written harem story. The author had made a valiant effort to edit it into a coherent narrative, but some 20 chapters in, the constantly repeating phrases and patterns and other oddities made it clear that yep, I was reading untagged AIslop once again
>>25387087I improved (visibly and substantially) over the first few years but once you move past the beginner and intermediate stages, it gets a lot harder to see real progress even on the year to year time scale.I think getting published and working with an editor helped me see some real gains but that's just on a line level. What really matters is the story level and that's so hard to analyze
>>25387355So you reported it, right?
>>25387370Reporting would expect hard proof, otherwise the faggot mods will do nothing, and AI is almost impossible to prove conclusively. Why risk having it backfire on me? I just left a 0.5 rating and moved on. The story only had one other rating and that was 0.5 too
>>25387355>coherent narrative >repeated verbal ticsmoron that is the definition of human. AI is the exact reverse
>>25387389no moron that is a hallmark of AIIt loves using certain sentence structures to describe things and is very pattern based. Though you are right with the coherent narrative bit, but that can be fixed with editing
>>25387388>I just left a 0.5 rating and moved on. The story only had one other rating and that was 0.5 toobrutalthough i'd question how accurate your spidey-senses were on AI if you only noticed 20 chapters in, are you sure it wasn't just the author's preference for certain sentence constructions?
>>25387398methinks you're just a dumb witch hunterPost the work
>>25387403>The thing wasn't simply (A), it was (B).>Not X. >Not Y. >Z.>em dashes everywhere>spammy quip conversations that go in circles>ridiculously bombastic descriptionsHMMM, can I call a buddy?
>>25387416methinks you're a two digit iq retard
>>25387432I have evidence thoughof the two things you pointed out one is human proof and the other is something both amateurs and ais dodumb witch hunter, just post the work
>>25387435Your word on it isn't "evidence," bruh
>>25387445which part do you contest: that AI is bad at coherent narratives or that amateur authors repeat phrases and have strange writing quirks?
Gonna shift my attention from my main WN to try out the honeyview writing contest. I connect with some of the past winners at AX recently and it seemed like something fun to do for a side project (only targeting 50K words anyways, could have that done and polished within a few weeks if I tried).There is one issue though, since it is a writing contest it's divided up into categories and the only options were something to do with a heroine (immediately skipped over since >FeMC) and "tragic hero", which I've never written before. My WNs have tragic elements but I've never done a story that is a pure tragedy.My outline is mostly coming along fine but usually I kind of cheat in writing by doing light side adventures that are purely character focused, which isn't really fitting a tragic story type. I'm also worried I don't have enough DARKNESS in my outline so far, considering taking stuff from my old fanfic days to liven it up in that regard.The very very basic outline is just>PrologueThe lead (a boy named Tip) tries to save his friend (a girl named Dorothy) from being possessed, only for her to die during the conflict. >Act 1Tip is captured and imprisoned, but is able to escape thanks to the efforts of an elusive banker (a young man named Milligan), who gives him Dorothy's diary, revealing she was possessed by an old shaman named Dahlia, who lives off the continent awaiting the demon lord's revival. Tip begins to escape the continent, being ruthlessly pursued by an elite guardsmen (a man named Jean). >Act 2Mostly just a blank in my outline currently, mainly because what I would normally put in here doesn't seem to befit a 'tragic storyline'.All I have are some ideas like Tip destroying a prophecy that said he would be a hero, and Jean dying.>Act 3Tip's confrontation with Dahlia wherein both die. Throughout the narrative Tip had been utilizing his own life to improve his magic enhancements, and this results in his death.>EpilogueThe real hero sees Tip's corpse and assumes it to be another demon.That or Tip and Dorothy together in death. I was thinking maybe I could make Jean an asshole twin brother, and Tip's family wants to ensure his downfall to 'wipe the stain off the family name', but I also like how small I've envisioned the cast to be (and the fact that I'm not using these lame tropes). It's written this way so, if it works out, I can pair it up with my ongoing WN (the hero in the epilogue would just be the hero from my main WN, but I wouldn't use his name in this competition. Everyone except Milligan is purely original to this story, and Milligan will just be revealed to have setup Dorothy and Tip's confrontation to eliminate her to make that seem like a complete plotline.tl;dr advice on writing tragedy in shlocky WNs?
>>25387449The coherence of the narrative depends mostly on the prompt (and the LLM used). If you generate chapter by chapter with detailed prompts, it's not that hard to get a logical result.And no, I've never read an organic work, amateur or professional, who sounded like a clanker. Even bad writers have a certain rhythm in their expression.
>>25387425yea that's fair enoughwere they not there in earlier chapters, or were you too dumb or invested to notice?another few things to calibrate your AI senses:>too X, too Y/something X, something Y/an X, a Y (these can be broken up with any punctuation, not just commas)>exhausting personification, to such an extent that makes it seem like the AI can't tell what is an inert object and what is a living character>[adjective 1], [adjective 2] [noun] - especially when one of the adjectives doesn't fit the noun it's describing or competes with the other adjective>relying on descriptions of what things aren't rather than what they are due to AI not wanting to risk being "wrong" (it's easier and correct-er to describe a pencil as "not an elephant, not a kitchen, not a fish" etc than to describe its actual qualities)>seriously it begs repeating the fucking personification of objects in the scene at a frequency that no human author would ever attempt
>>25387463Don't get too stuck on the "tragedy" word. The contest gives "Sentenced to be a Hero" as an example of what they're looking for. You should watch the anime or read the LN if you need ideas. It's not some misery porn. The point is that the MC starts from the rock bottom and fights his way to greatness. Sure, there are tragic elements, but it still has this sort of upbeat undertone of turning grim situations around and comedy in it.
>>25387435>evidenceLOL
>>25387463the fact they are running their contest for such a wildly unpopular WN tag like tragedy is pretty hilariouswhy is this thread obsessed with honeyfeed? they say they MIGHT get you published in JP, but has it even happened? which story?it's not outright a scam (probably) but it is a retarded path to pursue
midwits defend ai authors with their lives because they can't admit they enjoy reading ai prose
>>25387480>why is this thread obsessed with honeyfeed?I think people just think that having your work be """""""""objectively""""""""" judged is the sickest shit ever.
I'm about to start RI, what am I in for my /wng/ bros?
>>25387476Yeah but I don't want to start some ongoing project for a writing contest, so I think it's fitting to give this story a definitive ending with every character of note dying, and it being framed as "tragic hero" makes that work.I'll probably give that show a watch to see what it's about.>>25387480It's simply because they offer money upfront for about four or so people who enter I think? It's probably stiff competition, but I see it as a win. They don't want much in word count and at worst, I'll be writing something I can just throw out so it doesn't matter to me. To other people though it's probably the fantasy of getting any anime (which they seem to promise to the first place winner in every contest). I'd love to get an anime for my WN but I am under no delusion that would actually happen.If it does happen though, I'd personally beg for Gohands to do it.
>>25387485who the hell is defending ai authors here? Major reading comprehension fail
>>25387488three kings inheritancepeak...
>thread went shitty>sudden posts about RIhmm
>>25387490think.
>>25387498presumably that post was targeted at someone in this thread but there is only:- shitting on Ai writing- shitting on ai witch huntersand I think you're just a dumb fuck who mistakes the second for being an ai supporter
>>25387425Why did that take you twenty chapters to spot
>>25387485I find AI prose pretty grating.I've used AI to ERP on occasion and it mostly sucked. The writing style just always annoys me.Another big issue is that one person I work with is constantly watching AI generated videos on every topic possible, so I hear AI writing all the time and it all sounds the same.It's just so samey in a way that no human could ever be. Even someone like Nisio Isin who literally repeats whole sections of chapters and goes on and on about a singular part of an event for whole paragraphs (plural) isn't as boring and samey as AI can be (or rather, is, consistently).I'm sure you could force AI to not sound fucking lame and retarded all the time, but at that point just write yourself. Anyone can write, you can write something that is 90% just dialogue and people will like it.
>>25387087First started serializing my first ever public work in 2020, stopped writing altogether by 2023–24 and started getting back into writing in 2025 with a brief short story then I stopped writing for quite some time until january this year when I began to launch my first real long-form fic since the 2020–23 fic. I was mostly reading Tanya the Evil LNs but once I moved away from those into unc crusty western tradpub stuff I feel like my writing improved substantially.
>>25387504I'm the original poster and my point wasn't to hunt witches, but to say only a machine can make harem palatable for as long as 20 chapters
>>25387505Because, as said, the author put more effort into editing in the beginning and it didn't start like that
I once got a comment that called something I'd written "AI-ass sentence" and it hurt me pretty deeply.
>>25387497Thread has been shit since the femc/harem/female author talk. Thanks to the based RI posted for at least trying to make the tread a little better
Anytime I see em dashes I comment "obvious AI".Not just on RR, on every website. I hope to shame pseudo intellectual grammar out of the English language one day.
>>25387520>Not just on RR, on every website.AI-ass sentence
>>25387516people call anything and everything ai these days, it's losing all impact as a condemnation which is my personal issue with weak/ungrounded ai accusations
>>25387474This post smells of ozone and smudged keyboard keys
>>25387525genuinely the first load-bearing post in the thread
>>25387489I planned to repurpose an old draft for the contest, but cutting the story into chapters of just 1-1,5k words and ending each in some kind of hook is literally impossible no matter what I try. Nothing can happen in so few words. The story gets fucking choppy and sounds like,>Chapter 1>Hi, my name is Tom, I'm twenty and live in New Jersey and suddenly dinosaurs broke into my room through the window->Chapter 2>I began to wrestle with a velociraptor, dodging its claws left and right.>Then the firefighters burst in through the door and->Chapter 3>The fireman sprayed the raptor with his hose and sent it running.>"Are you okay, son? Let me get you out of here OH shit, the truck's got a flat tire!">Chapter 4...After rewriting the first chapter 7-8 times by now to make it tighter, I'm actually starting to think it's too good to submit there
I'm giving Shadow Slave a shot and Jesus Christ that first arc droned on for way too fucking long.The ending was also probably the singular most unsatisfying shit I've ever read.Nephis learning his true name off screen is fucking absurd for an arc that nearly hit 400,000 words. Not to mention him not even fucking killing Cassia who ALSO knows his greatest secret is fucking ridiculous. The sounds of hand of the author yanking the chains on the plot are deafening.
>>25387474>Do a few of these things just by my natural writing habits>Have never used AI beforeGuys am I retarded?
>>25387488A wild ride, keeping in mind that it was written by chink with the government breathing down his neck for every word he writes especially on the abuses of those in power or how to exploit the system, will massively increase your mileage.Please post regular updates, maybe at the end of every big arc. I'd like to hear your thoughts.
>>25387308>>25387320Yeah, but they could tell that from the tags.
>>25387605you're cooked as they say
>>25387606Thanks, I will make sure to post regular updates.
How do you write compelling wish fulfillment?
>>25387355Read more books. And lurk a lot moar.
>>25387618By writing whatever the 12 year old horny boy in you would want. Like lots of sex with big boob ladies without having to do anything for it.
RR just go down for anyone else? (Hoping by asking the universe will prove me wrong and bring it back up)
>>25387605the things I am describing are only indicative of AI in terms of overuse, if you do it but have an awareness for "wait, I just did this" then you're fineAI really struggles to stop itself from the sentence-level AI-isms because it only weighs the probability of one token at a time, which means it's good at stopping itself from overusing words, but it doesn't have the ear for when it's overusing techniquesrelated, another tell of AI is that it penalises the re-use of words in its generation, so it will tie itself in knots trying to describe a recurring term in increasingly elaborate ways (although this is most often just an example of an insecure author rather than AI)
>>25387622It's just you bwo.
>>25387622they pulled the plugits over
>>25387626Tell that to Cloudflare!
>>25387629>>25387630Those damn kikes rugpulling us. We were supposed to be big writers and shit.
>>25385942should give those a try
>>25387605the AI learned it from somewherea few of its tics used to signal MFA writing hell, em dashes used to be a literary punctuation mark but now people are revolted by them
>>25387679NTA but yeah em dashes were pretty pivotal. MLA is probably the strictest about them and it still said 2 per paragraph was optimal. Chicago Manual is a lot more mercurial; people point to "When in doubt, edit them out" but it still suggests using them a lot.
If AI-written stories all had different prose, I would read them. It's the fact that they all read the same, and reading a lot of their prose gets grating after a while, that puts me off them
>>25387140>gotten worseSame... I've come to dread reading my earlier writing because I find it better than what I'm writing nowadays.
>>25387308>harem is instant drop pointIt is still.
Newest art of gold digging(NOT calling it by the new title) chapter is setting up for it to go back to its roots of meta commentary after a year of anime bullshit
>>25386699That's true, but it applies to any contract really. I remember when Moonquill first got partnered with RR and there was plenty of BS in the contract sample they put forward.>>25386738This series, specifically the audiobook, is why I fucking hate dungeon fairies/sprites/wisps.>>25387463Like another anon said, don't get too caught up on the tragic part. It's more about rising from rock bottom instead of an actual tragedy. Think of all those tropey stories where the protag gets backstabbed at the beginning, acts moody for a bit, and then it's just a regular powerfantasy. Obviously you can vary on the tragic to empowering ratio, but the overall theme of the contest is still Heroic Fantasy.I myself am writing one where the protagonist gets his body stolen by the party mascot and banished for hundreds of years.
>>25387480>why is this thread obsessed with honeyfeed? they say they MIGHT get you published in JP, but has it even happened? which story?Here.https://honeysanime.com/winners-announced-for-myanimelist-x-honeyfeed-writing-contest-2025-with-publication-in-japan-confirmed/This is from the 2025 contest which was isekai based. The runners up also got published. Until the day Koreans start looking westward with non-retarded platforms (i.e., not Novelpia), it's the best way to get an Asian audience going.
>>25388216These aren't coming out until 2027 even though they won last year. They have to go through a long process of rewriting, editing and translating.All three are isekai, I wouldn't write isekai for this contest though since Kadokawa already came out and blamed isekai on declining sales.On a related note a story that wasn't even in the contest on Honeyfeed got greelit for publishing>https://www.sakuraindex.jp/press-releases/kadokawa-greenlights-publication-project-for-popular-honeyfeed-title-why-kill-when-witches-can-be-tentacled-is-officially-moving-toward-print-release-in-japan-press-release/
>>25387480what is difference to RR?Honeyfeed is like 1/10 the following size, I presume?
>>253882791/150I'm not even kidding
FuckNovelpia has the most spastic DDOS protection of any website I've ever seen. If you tap either arrow too fast you get temp banned from the site.
>>25388284even 1/150 seems high. their most popular stories get 0 comments per chapter it is a completely barren site as far as readers go
>>25387403Not that anon, but from my experience just because you start detecting AI doesnt mean the whole story was written in AI. I looked at a story and the whole first chapter was AI. It was so obvious. I started going through it just to hone my detection skills more. When I got to chapter 2 and 3 it was clear that he wasn't using it as much anymore. Although, if you ask me, it's like finding a worm in an apple. Once you see it you'd be foolish to keep eating. I don't care if only one chapter is AI or if 5% of the story is AI. I don't wanna read it.
>>25388312RR is very pro-author. This attracts a lot of works which then attracts readers. RR is also just a lot older and the short chapter LN style format on Honeyfeed just doesn't hook people.
>>25388300it's anti scraping protection
>>25388300>If you tap either arrow too fast you get temp banned from the site.For like 5 seconds.Their real protection is if you try to get around their daily download limits. IIRC it's a ban for a day or two. I got hit with that shit when I didn't realize I was downloading while not logged in and my daily limit wasn't refreshed yet.Fortunately the average user isn't ever gonna see that shit, unlike the page load ban that you'll easily get hit with skipping through notices at the start of certain novels.Also, just fucking download the epubs. They'll sometimes have extra formatting the online chapters lack and they're just a smoother reading experience all around unless you get a bugged epub.
>>25388423I don't understand why they have anti scraping measures when what they're hosting is all scraped
>>25387684Max Level Archmage gives use guides for the em dash?
>>25388442he meant the Michigan Law Association
>>25388435>I don't understand why they have anti scraping measures when what they're hosting is all scrapedIt could just be to help limit site traffic. I know they use a hosting service and the site doesn't run ads, so I doubt they wanna be paying for bots to crawl all over the site.Or it could be to protect the original works on the sister site tied into their network.
It is okay to post the link of my web novel? I want some feedback, it is my first attempt and I want to know where am I lacking.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/149042/dead-men-tell-too-many-tales
>>25386951As someone who caved after about 9 months of posting, I'll give you my reason for doing this.Some readers are fucking retarded. You can signal in bright flashing lights from page one what the tone of the story is going to be, and they'll still miss it and make their own assumptions. Then they get mad at you because their own made up version of the story didn't come into being. Then they often drop a low rating or leave negative comments that mislead and drives away others.Since putting a what to expect in my synopsis, this kind of retardation outright stopped. I hate that it's there and I still get turned off when I see others do it, but I can't argue with the results.
>character development
>>25388590>AI-assisted contentAnon, for real? You're lacking in the brain
>>25388605I don't write for retards so I don't really care, but I get it.
>>25388605>Then they often drop a low rating or leave negative comments that mislead and drives away others.In this regard, Youtube's engagement-based algorithm would maybe be a boon.Recommendations and promotion based more on how much people engage with things like comments and ratings as opposed to the actual numerical value of a given rating..
>>25388612>based more on how much people engage with things like comments and ratingsThere's no advantage in that with writing, when people just won't engage with content that's been declared as trash. The outrage farming doesn't work the same way as in visual formats that are easier to consooom
Thread is moving so fast nobody will notice that I'm gay and retarded and can't write for shit.
>>25388590>asking for feedback on ai gendumb third worlder
>>25388590lol
>>25388609>>25388761rekt that dumbass
>>25388442>>25388444Modern Language Association.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLA_Handbook
>>25388824I don't recognize their authority.
>>25388590>dead men tell too many talesSo like, what's the point of "writing" if even your title is going to be outsourced to AI.
>>25388828They're not really authorities, just people who make insights on linguistic structure that are pretty useful.
>>25388761>>25388829You are seething about your replacement.
>>25388853Sad.
>>25388853Actually Indian powered jeets are not going to replace anyone.
>>25388853Our replacement? Motherfucker you replaced yourself! Why should we give you feedback? Give us your API key so we can tell your LLM the feedback he needs, you don't need shit, go sit in your cuck chair while the bot does everything for you.
>>25388856>>25388859>>25388865>Still coping and seething
>>25388867>No argument
>taking the baityawnsomeone bake already
>the writing according to reviews and comments:"Your writing is so beautiful, author. Every other sentence is like a poem, full of layered meanings and wisdom. You are truly gifted.""You have such a rich voice!""Every chapter is riddled with metaphor, and she is either a musician or is exceptionally gifted for each line of this book has a cadence that reads so beautifully.">the writing itself:The breeze danced through the leaves, and the world smelled like soil, citrus, and something faintly metallic. I turned the page of my book. I didn't need to read it to know it was about stars.I just remembered.Then I felt it again.A sound, but not a sound. More like a thought someone whispered too close to my ear. It came from beyond the gate.The Perennial Forest.It never truly called. But it hummed. It waited.I'd never gone in. Not once. Not even a toe past the gate. The stories said people who entered never came back. Or came back... changed. And that wasn't a metaphor. They came back wrong. Crooked. Hollow. Smiling with too many teeth.Still, the forest whispered sometimes. Just enough to make me wonder.But I didn't go. Because I took things seriously. When they say "stay out," I stay out. When someone tells you there's danger in the dark, you don't grab a candle and start a parade.You sit down.You wait.And you listen harder.Are readers on this website retarded or is this botted engagement?
>>25388895>this website>webnovel.comare you retarded?
>>25388895>A sound, but not a sound. More like a thought someone whispered too close to my ear>It never truly called. But it hummed>I'd never gone in. Not once. Not evenAIslop
>>25388895the standards are just that low
>enjoy worldbuilding>could literally spend weeks writing histories of how every city and kingdom was founded>can't even write a 10,000-word short story about itI think the issue is I'm lazy, and worldbuilding is easy; anyone can do it. But writing even a bad story requires work, actually, like coming up with a theme, crafting good-flowing prose, and plotting out character arcs.
>>25389050Worldbuilding, no matter how autistic, is fundamentally freeform. Writing a narrative chains you to that narrative.
>>25389050Worldbuild for me, anon, I hate that shit
>>25389067How can you hate it?But I can worldbuild for you if you tell me an outline of your story.
>>25389074I just struggle to believe anyone actually cares about the details. I only make up the bare minimum of lore needed to support the plot, and can't even bring myself to make separate notes of it for all the cringe. But it's fine. I don't seriously want to waste your time with this. I know personal stuff is always more interesting than what others do
>>25389099>I just struggle to believe anyone actually cares about the detailsnon-reader?lore dumps and poorly done exposition are grating but well written settings can be enrapturing
>>25389108Yeah, sure, but who has that well written setting?
>Want to do some sort of clever narrative motifing referencing a major character from a historical poem>Don't want it to be too literal, especially since it's a contemporary setting and thus their name isn't common at all anymore, try to look up how the name is formatted in other languages for anything that might look less apparent and more subtle>"Nameus," "Nameino," "Naym," "Nameo"
>>25389111me
>>25389117Nemonext question
>>25389124That'd be great if the name was Name
>>25389108Me actuallyNo really, all my reviews praise my setting. Even the negative ones.
>>25389140>>25389140>>25389140New Thread
>>25389117Split the name in half from their first/middle name and last nameWilly A. (Amshakes) Pierre
>>25388895>The stories said people who entered never came back. Or came back... changedChrist
