>>25387223
retard take. women are just a tool. it's the jews that won

>>25387223
"eerm, women have phat asses now"
and? brap

Houellebecq

Incel holocaust when?

>>25387311
Normie holocaust soon

>>25387223
What exactly do we do about it, anons? Lay on 4chan all day crying about it?

Let's just better ourselves, the attention whores hate when you shift your focus away from them, it's the only power they have over you, and the exact reason they call you "incel".

They only have power if your worldview is gynocentered

Become engineers, entrepreneurs, businessmen, social media celebrities, authors, get powerful and ignore or outright deny their claims.

>Muh plz add emotional intelligence to the book
>Muh spice
>Muh men
>Muh chad

Just say no/ignore, move on and do what you want.

Our biggest issue rn is men care about what others think instead of themselves, but that's a woman's job you're doing, anon.

I am reading the books I love and enjoying them with the bros. If I ever find a woman who shares my values, I'll shoot my shot, but for now, I just enjoy my books.

They may not be the newest or the most politically correct, but I just love them. They can hate it all they want, truth is they actually mostly don't care. I don't care that they don't care.

My only worry is I'm not this financially independent just yet, I am building an IT company with my knowledge for this, so that I don't ever have to suffer through HR ever again.

Share the word if you want to have some impact : Having your worldview revolve around others is feminine. The masculine thing to do is to focus on yourself. It'll piss them off, but you're ignoring them anyway, remember?

Women haven't "won". It's just that they can actually negotiate with men with a measure of fairness now that inequalities have been removed or lessened.

All the male griping about this comes down to the fact that you have to compromise some of the time and you feel you should never have to compromise, ever, for no reason other than some intrinsic sense of superiority.

>>25387651
You have no clue what you're talking about.

>>25387651
>Gen Z Women have a better access to education
>Gen Z Women have better wages
>Gen Z women have guaranteed internships/executive roles through DEI plans
>Gen Z women can have sex with virtually any man they wish
>Even if they fail, a man will be ok to have them for housewife
>Never have to go to war
>Guaranteed room in premium homeless shelter

They just play life on easy mode, anon.

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>look at data for who is not only employed but making above 100 grand (the cutoff for a comfortable life)
>it's nearly 90% women in white collar middle management roles
>nearly half are second-gen immigrants and not white

>>25387658
I do actually. Female incomes have increased and, lo and behold, there's been a corresponding social shift whereby women can come to the negotiating table with the ability to reject certain demands while making their own.

This causes incels to freak out because they want to argue (or rather, dictate) from a superior position without justification. The future expectations of gender will be crafted by men and women together, with a measure of fairness, and yes, that means compromises. You might have to accept that women like sex as much as men. You might have to develop a more sensitive side. But simultaneously, women are now expected to work and to earn money, which is a pretty big obligation itself.

>>25387661
I agree that there's work to be done to include male access to areas where they're traditionally underrepresented. But most of these things, at the time they were proposed and accepted, were to do with correcting gender imbalances.
As long as we remain committed to that, then I don't see a reason why we can't also have a discussion about areas where men are systematically disadvantaged.

But you know, that has to happen in good faith. It can't be incels rejecting all feminist complaints but wanting to profit off the same measures but now with men as the target demographic.

>>25387674
>It can't be incels rejecting all feminist complaints but wanting to profit off the same measures but now with men as the target demographic.
It can actually. That's how we built and progressed civilization.

>>25387674
>But most of these things, at the time they were proposed and accepted, were to do with correcting gender imbalances.

This is just a fallacy. Puttng 80% of women in editing isn't "correcting imbalance", creating opportunities only for one gender is called discrimination, and is counter-productive.

You can't let women enter the workforce and immediatly act surprised that they're not as qualified or skillful as men who have worked in those same companies for the last 50 years of their life, which is what caused those nonsensical policies.

>that has to happen in good faith. It can't be incels rejecting all feminist complaints but wanting to profit off the same measures but now with men as the target demographic.

First, thanks for calling your fellow anons "no-sex-haver-buzzword", I'm happy your worldview is that gynocentered that no other element is more relevant than getting pussy.

I do not want to profit off the same measures. In fact, I've never heard a single man say he wanted to. I just don't want discriminatory "opportunities" to favour a gender over the other. Could be women, men, whites, blacks, asians, queers, I don't really care.

One thing I was saying though, is women never will be exposed to the same risks as a man. A man can get his life ruined in a day. One allegation, one war, one job loss, it's all it takes. Women can just turn into housewives or get priority sheltering. They statistically will always find a man to take care of everything for them, they statistically will always find a man to give them affection or satisfy their sexual urges, they will statistically always be given more if they beg for it, they will statistically have the jury on their side by default in court.

By acting as if the above female privilege doesn't exist, we give women power yet little responsibility. She can always turn into "just a naive girl", or get her needs met. The best way to reach equality in this field is actually for society to take women of their pedestal. Some would like to call this "incel", but it's actually about fixing one of the deepest social biases, and pulling them closer to the equality they crave so much.

>>25387689
Civilization has progressively inclined towards more rights for women, not less. Nobody wants to live in Afghanistan.

>>25387703
>Puttng 80% of women in editing isn't "correcting imbalance",
That wasn't the design or intention of those policies at the time though.
>One allegation, one war, one job loss, it's all it takes. Women can just turn into housewives
Not really, life is expensive and most often, both members of a couple need to work. In fact a consistent complaint from working women is that they get pressured into disproportionate domestic duties while also working as much as their male partners because of sexist cultural expectations.
Being forced by joblessness into codependency on a man isn't a desirable state either. It opens you up to coercion and abuse because if you disobey then you're facing homelessness and the horrors that accompany it.
Really this just highlights how insanely out of touch you are with the lives of actual working women.

Also your concept of "female privilege" leaves out a massive side of the story which is that it frequently arises out of male dominated institutions. Look at the famous sentencing disparity:

>In 2005 Max Schanzenbach found that "increasing the proportion of female judges in a district decreases the sex disparity" in sentencing which he interprets as "evidence of a paternalistic bias among male judges that favors female offenders".[4]
>A 2020 study found with decreasing number of female judges in French courts the gender gaps in prison and probation sentences widens - prison and probation sentences are lighter for women, while suspended prison sentences are longer. The gender of the prosecutor seem to play no role.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity

The other forms of "privilege" you mention, like having her needs men by a man, are instantiations of the same cultural bias to infantilize and coddle women which drive sentencing disparities. Some women taking advantage of that doesn't dispel the fact they're overwhelming driven by men.

>Some would like to call this "incel"
I call it incel because it's mired in resentment of women with a farcical pretense of gender equality that seemingly always finds itself allied with massive gender imbalances in the favor of men. Had people who argued as you do actually proposed substantive strategies beyond "wait and see" then I might be more sympathetic.

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>Demoralization slop
If you were in ancient greece or one of your "manly" cultures you would be a towelboy or Bacha Bazi OP.

>>25387731
>Being forced by joblessness into codependency on a man isn't a desirable state either. It opens you up to coercion and abuse because if you disobey then you're facing homelessness and the horrors that accompany it.

Do you even read yourself before posting? You do realize "facing homelessness and the horrors that accompany it" is the only thing men get, right?

>they're overwhelming driven by men

There's a privilege, I'm doing what I can to abolish it. I don't care who initially caused it, there are victims and there shouldn't be. I'm not here in your little gender war paradigm, and thus saying "but men cause it!!" holds little to no relevancy.

>I call it incel because it's mired in resentment of women

I don't resent women. I have access to women (if that's what you imply by that) and genuinely don't care about equality of outcome (and never hide myself from this fact).

>Had people who argued as you do actually proposed substantive strategies beyond "wait and see" then I might be more sympathetic.

Anyways, I see we won't have a serious debate as long as you operate under this assumption that every inequality of outcome must be compensated by the state. If you have no skills to offer and enter the workforce, you're going to get paid minimum wage if at all. Study like a man or get paid like an uneducated woman, but don't expect "daddy state" to handle your problems for you.

>>25387753
>You do realize "facing homelessness and the horrors that accompany it" is the only thing men get, right?
What does this even mean? Women also face homelessness and being a vulnerable woman is in some ways worse, hence women's shelters.

>I don't care who initially caused it, there are victims and there shouldn't be
Translation: I feel victimized by this and that's bad but I refuse to consider any circumstances in which women are victimized. Please consider me while I refuse to consider you. (I definitely don't care about the gender war btw!)

>I don't care who initially caused it
Because that would implode your entire argument which attacks women for being "privileged" without the simultaneous acknowledgement that this has gone hand in hand with the sexist infantilization of women by men who have, historically, occupied the majority of positions of power.

The same measures you're rejecting are intended to increase the proportion of women in said positions, thereby eliminating the sexist culture and ending the infantilization of women that results in what you call "privilege". I've given you citations of cases where increasing female representation in such positions has eliminated this "privilege" and you're still pigheadedly clinging to your former position, without even an argument this time. Do you understand this? Your position is unjustifiable and also contradictory. Indeed, we can't have a serious debate because you don't have a serious position.

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>>25387223
>whiny /r9k/ thread with zero books

/lit/ is by far one of the most simpish boards and everyone here needs to be killed.

>>25387784
>Your position is unjustifiable and also contradictory. Indeed, we can't have a serious debate because you don't have a serious position.
Our rights over women is not a position to be debated over. This thread wasn't made to debate the horde of servants who defend female power over men. More and more our consciousness is increasing. Our liberties are not up for debate. We will kill you all and put women back into their rightful place once more. Get the fuck off my thread.

>>25387731
>Civilization has progressively inclined towards more rights for women, not less.
When women are given rights both birthrates and civilization implode.

>>25387741
>>Demoralization slop
Youngfags have this curious neurosis where they're so insanely demoralised that they obsess about citing "demoralisation" everywhere, because they cannot even bare to talk about certain topics head on. It triggers a kind of anxious flight response in them.

This is a hallmark of actual demoralisation. To be unable to speak plainly on a topic that might warrant it. Your snarky quips do little to mask your anxieties.

>>25387223
yeah, if only these single parented, "autistic" "men" could openly call women whores, then they'd be swimming in trad wife pussy.

do men really believe that there was some magical time in the past when women weren't as selfish and sexual as men?

>>25387859
If civilization is so badly structured that it can only survive by keeping one gender as slaves then it deserves to fall.

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>>25387868
Civilization is built off of slavery retard. Of both men and women.

>>25387873
Nothing to mourn over then.

>>25387741
Yeah if we were beamed there by time travel. If we were born there and then most of us would just be average Greek dudes fucking shit up.

You're a faggot btw.

>>25387833
It's true but not everyone.
Any time I sense feminine energy I demand tits or gtfo.

>>25387868
Yeah whatever queer. They like it.

>>25387833
being the kind of man that women really like on a primal level involves being confrontational asshole with women at certain points, and most /lit/ anon are too meek for that sort of thing. so they cope and tell themselves that they're ackshually smarter and more evolved than all that idiocy etc etc. this is the failing of the 'nice guy'. they don't respect women. they're scared of them. they're actually exactly like the chuds in that way. it's all fear.

the actual straight male way is hating how lovable women are, despite how horrible they are. despite their nature and their vanities, one cannot help but love them, because they are lovely. this gives you the balls to tell a bitch to fuck off should you ever need to, without becoming a woman hating chud or a fearful nice guy

so many guys spend too much time online and they become spiritually gay. either "left" or "right" wing. same shit

>>25387875
The first form of pre-historical currency according to David Graeber were female slaves. Once civilization collapses i.e: the power of the polis/city state is brought to an end, slavery will still continue as it does to this day but but controlled by various bands of tribes: and once organized en masse civilization as we understand it will once again be able to flourish as it is a power multiplier and superior or form of organization over the tribes of wild tribes, who are just as violent and cruel but simply less organized.

>>25387888
You just sound like yet another faggot

>>25387901
nah you just have zero pull because you're too busy feeling sorry for yourself. internet has made you gay

>>25387914
I'm not a court jester built for the entertainment of women, bossman.

>>25387921
aka you've had your charisma raped out of you by other miserable males. internet has made you gay.

>>25387923
I don't care, I am not here for entertainment.

>>25387925
>I don't care,
t. psychically raped male

>>25387927
The raped is the one who allows others power over them.

>>25387933
you've allowed the misery of other males to power over you to such a degree that they've stripped you an esoteric force of will: your aharisma.

each of your posts is sullen despondency. you're barely even here. such a pitiable state. and you think you're smarter for it. you think you're more savvy and worldly in this pitiable condition. meanwhile all the great men of history that you still privately venerate all had great charisma, and understand its importance. this irony doesn't occur to you.

>>25387941
>your charisma.
normally don't, but typo warranted the fix

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>>25387941
>you have to be a great man of history in order to get a modicum of pussy

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You white boyz is cute.

>>25387945
every male you have ever looked up to, in world history or daily life, has been charismatic. either in an outward or stoic way, they still possessed real charisma, and those around them knew it.

you are in denial. you've reduced charisma to "entertaining" as a cope for becoming socially retarded. this is such a typical state on 4chan now that you're basically a failed normie here. this is the norm.

>>25387651
Women will never be biologically (at least) to men, despite what tranny enablers like you delude yourself into thinking.

>>25387867
What about autistic men with intact fathers? My dad feels terrible for me but he doesn't know how bad it's gotten because he's been married for 43 years to my mom

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>>25387731
>Nobody wants to live in Afghanistan.
Are you sure about that?

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>>25387959
Just as many men in history were humourless creeps which women avoided. They still had their way with them because of the power they held over them. It's not my job to woo women. You are just a little bitch that puts pussy on a pedestal, which is par with the cource for all of the men today that defend the current status quo.

>>25387872
One book recommendation so far....

>>25387833
you need to go back

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>>25387991
I am where I belong.

>>25387982
>Just as many men in history were humourless creeps which women avoided. They still had their way with them because of the power they held over them.
kek at this power fantasy. this fag is terrified of women. how about you work on maintaining basic eye contact first mr. SS warlord

you see this is what happens when you let other miserable males trauma bond your charisma from you. you post insane virgin shit like this

>>25387998
>Being le great men in order to woo pussy is what you should be
>NOO don't post the other extreme of actual historical rapist creeps you incel!!! That's a power fantasy!
Just kill yourself faggot.

>>25387977
autism isn't a real thing. there's not even a real way to diagnose it. you're using it as an excuse to waste other peoples' time and drain their energy.

>>25388005
it is literally your power fantasy, yes. you're a pushover irl and you won't do shit.

you niggas are literally making each other mentally ill for no reason lmao. failed normies are fuckin retards.

>>25387988
>>25387223
the selfish gene would explain everything, including the cope that the only thing keeping you from good women is some made up excuse like jews, postmodernism, socialism, blacks, or whatever.

>>25388015
No a power fantasy is thinking you can be a napoleon or a casanova. Most men are infinitely closer to the undesirable incel than a charismatic historical figure. You are clearly just some retarded american with a big ego.

>>25388022
Blaming liberalization of social moores for females going off the rails isn't a cope in any sense of the word. That is literally the source of the problem.

>>25388025
we've reach the unfortunate stage of the exchange where it becomes obvious that the anon refuses to save himself.

pity.

>>25388045
Why do you keep on making this about me? I am not a Westerner. I'm here to make money so that I can buy a wife. No fucking peasant in my family had to 'woo' a woman using charisma and the notion of doing that for a man from another time would be hilarious. The very idea can only come from a position of weakness, which is what you are in.

I see the kind of women normalfag western men spend their time and money on. I wouldn't think to lower myself to touch the scraps you fight over.

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>>25388056
westerner or not, the litmus test for sapient anon is really simple: learned helplessness = failed normie

get filtered, midwit. losers lose and winners win. keep crying you mentally castrated pushover. bitch nigga is a choice and you chose it

>>25388025
>retarded american with a big ego.
Holy fuck, nobody said anything about Americans you faggot

>>25388068
You don't have any children, do you? Probably also around the age of 30 which is the typical demographic for this millennial slop website. Your mentality is the characteristic of a dying people, and given the average birthrate in Western countries and the average age being around 50 (all while propped up by foreign imports), this kind of attitude towards reproduction is characteristic of a late stage of culture and is unsustainable for life. Have you won? I don't know. In this life there is only struggle. I am still alive, and I still intend on living as I have more healthy attitudes towards the status of women in the functions of a state. Spengler was clear on the future of the West, and seeing the dominant attitude of Westerners today he seems to be correct with his conclusion.

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>>25388077
Modern Dating culture is French invention (it comes from prostitution) and it is Americans who spread it to the world.

>>25388090
>he's my explanation as to why my learned helplessness and social anxiety is appropriate
>look, I'm citing Spengler and posting pithy things about reproduction; I'm not a coward, I'm Well-Read
kek okay.

you've chosen this state. you've allowed all these other angry males to inform your own thinking for too long, and you've lost your willpower in the process. now you're just a bunch of clever excuses - a cautionary tale.

>>25388108
No I'm just not retarded enough to think that the process of wooing women comes from some unquantifiable abstraction, i.e 'charisma' rather than her merely selecting you for actual quantifiable traits such as handsomeness or money.

>>25388114
>No I'm just not retarded enough to think that
no, you're just too cowardly to risk anything in life. you don't believe in yourself enough to bet on yourself. simple as.

this is all really simple. you can couch all your cowardice in all these delicate faberge egg pretensions to distract from it, but in the final analysis it's all attributable to basic anxieties. i've spoken to many anon like you, and you all talk big game, you all think you're awfully Clever, but the real truth is plain enough. it's all learned helplessness, and you refuse to face it.

the irony behind this whole exchange is that i apparently want more for you than you seemingly do. you don't think you warrant it for some reason, but i disagree.

>>25388126
Sorry anon, but everything you are saying is incoherent screeching. Helplessness, cowardice, etc. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

All I have said in my OP is that women now have complete and total freedom in choosing who to sleep with and they no longer have any guardrails on their behavior. They can basically do whatever they want. Your argument for 'charisma' is a symbol of your very defeat, because you have to 'woo' women, because you have to allow women power over you. I am merely calling that degenerate and pointing out that it's against the male interest and an assault on our reproductive power.

You are quite literally celebrating weakness and female power over the male, and then calling me weak for not getting on my knees like you do.

>>25388032
>That is literally the source of the problem.
yeah, it couldn't possibly be you, your personality, looks and general life choices.

>>25388147
Why should my looks decide whether I get to have sex with a woman?

>>25387311
Not necessary. They've already been rejected from the genepool. We just have to put up with their incessant whining until they die out.

>>25388161
>unattractive women don't produce incels

>>25388144
>What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
i'm talking about you - personally - the state that you are in. i don't care about your thoughts re: gender relations writ large. that's coming from a bitter place.

you're not looking to solve the problem of Woman. no man can do this. it's a fool's errand. you just need to find one woman, just one. who is calm and reasonable enough. and start a new life for yourself with her. this is not impossible. you have developed extreme parasocial 4chan neurosis to get yourself to a place where you think this is no longer possible. shake yourself out of this while you still can.

>>25388166
No you are just a faggot defending the current status quo. Whereas I'm not gonna put up with it, and I won't and I don't. I have more freedom than Western males because again I am not a Westerner. The women in my nation are increasingly adopting western social moores and that is a problem but it's not enough to debilitate me because I outearn an entire family from my home country. The problem however, is getting worse, and many men will and are dealing with it and the state is now adopting protective measures against the single male epidemic.

There are statistically not enough women for all the men, which is why white men date out so much. I see white men with non-white women almost as much as I see white men with white women. I'm sure it's more extreme in my liberal city than in Europe but the point still stands.

This problem is only getting worse, and pretending that it is a personal problem rather than a systematic one is putting your head in the dirt and denying reality.

>>25388179
if only you could see how tragic and ridiculous all your theorycel horseshit is. you have no experience with women. no proper life experience at all. and you theorycel rant about Spengler and female power like you've got life all worked out. you post like a parody of yourself.

i say
>don't worry about all women, just find one, this is not impossible
and you retreat back to your normal complaints about women in general - because it's safer there. it's safer to complain about the statistical and the general. but taking action, trying to take the reins over your own life, that involves risk. what if it goes wrong? what if i look stupid? we can't have that. i mean, - look at theses statistics!

>>25388196
>but taking action, trying to take the reins over your own life, that involves risk
>Just pull yourself by the bootstraps!
Yawn.

>>25388161
>inversion of gender dynamics causes incels
>hypergamy and social media driven social decay continues to increase ratio of incels:”well-adjusted” men
>situation is only perpetuated with no solution in current social system, creating negative feedback loop
>this negative feedback loop will just stop on its own because everyone is going to die or something
The naivety of troons and women is unparalleled.

>>25388208
you think you're wise, but you're not.

here's the truth: to live a good life, you can't hate women. understand their nature, become savvy to their ways, but to live a happy life - a Good Life - you can't hate women. shit just doesn't work like that. it fucks a man up and makes him neurotic.
>>but women want power and they say they hate men!
so? who gives a fuck what they think.

>>25388233
>so? who gives a fuck what they think
You are, not me. Friend. That's why you are spending the whole thread defending the power they have over men.

>>25388247
>You are, not me.
you care so much you won't even talk to them. you've sulked yourself into celibacy.

>>25388258
Yeah I focus on myself thank you very much.

>>25388262
>yeah I f-focus on myself
socially raped

>>25388267
>muh socializing
Just admit you're a faggot

>>25388271
damn it's that big of an issue for you huh? work on it then.

>>25388275
>bootstraps kiddo

>>25388276
>SS warlord poster with intense social anxiety
many such cases

>>25388278
I don't like Hitlerites or even Germans. The point is that being a creepy unsociable rapist didn't stop men from having families in the past, and that was an extreme example. But you seem to be focusing on that for some reason.

>>25388283
>i d-don't have social anxiety ackshually
okay bro

>>25388285
>people with social anxiety can't be rapists

>>25388288
what an odd cope.

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>>25388290
What cope bro? You are telling me that I have to be some charismatic great man to appeal to the female gaze, when in reality men who were unsociable had no trouble getting women in the past and I am giving you extreme examples of that fact.

The only reason men have to worry about their charisma and their looks is because of the insane unchecked social power women have which you are adament of defending for some reason.

>>25388295
>i have no self-determination or willpower in my personal life because there's social power imbalances in my society, i am literally powerless at all times and could never find a single decent woman, it's over
okay

>>25388304
Nice headcannon bro

>>25388307
you're so contemptible that at this point i think it's good that female social power is mogging you into exile.

based women.

>>25388309
In other words you go full mask off and what I said is correct and you spent the entire thread defending female social power and your advice to socially excluded men is just
>try le harder bro.
The best part is that you never argued against me, but built up some strawman in your head as to what I am and just attack it like any typical philistine.

>>25388314
>i-in other words
at this point i'm just fucking with you because it's obvious you're going to be a cringe dork cunt for life and my initial goodwill has finally gone.

>>25387223
MGTOW section

>>25388315
I don't care about your goodwill or your attempt to attack some strawman you made of me in your head . The only thing you've been saying the last few posts is
>Heh, female power is good, fuck you incel dork!
In other words you're just being a foid supremacist, i.e a simp, and you want men to 'work hard' abstractly for women of ever deteriorating quality.

>>25388322
women aren't nearly empowered enough yet.

we need to develop technology that allows women to telekinetically explode dysgenic male freaks on sight with just their thoughts alone.

>>25388325
>with just their thoughts alone.
But they don't have any....

>>25388327
you must be made to live in fear of the telekinetic foid zap.

>>25388325
Thanks for finally going mask off bro.

>>25388335
you've done it. you've unraveled my snare. another flawless theorycel victory.

>>25388337
>theorycel
This is the literature board

>>25388338
no. it's a woman supremacist board. dumb tourist.

>>25388342
Seeing the state of literature today you're correct.

>>25388344
>you're correct.
Yes.

>>25388346
Disingenuous retard.

>>25387651
>>25387674
Kek this fag comes into every woman hate thread and starts rambling about the glorious future men and women will forge together as equals. Honestly hilarious how deluded this simp is.

>>25388351
this only makes sense if it's a femoid

>>25387674
I was right. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Don't worry, the islamization of the west is well underway and will soon enough revert the problem

women got what they wanted, but realized it wasn't equivalent to winning because everything is interconnected in a way that also punished them for this, i think that's a more accurate way to put it

there's a comic series called cerebus that goes into it, among other things

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My god this lasted all night....

The foids are trying to draining you of your precious fluids. Can't you see?!!!!

>Woemab am.... LE BAD!!! Because she said "no thank you" when I asked her out in middle school 29 years ago!!!
Maybe you should get over it, Timmy. Just a thought.

>>25389217
Women are bad because they are liars.

>>25389340
So are (You)

>>25387311
Perpetrated or experienced?

>>25388179
The "system", absolutely don't give, and won't give, a shit about "fixing" the male/female dynamic.

>>25387651
Kek no, they have definitely won. It would be one thing if they negotiated with men as equals but they’re still afforded the same privileges given to them in times when they were unequal, in addition to even fucking more privileges. We live in a matriarchy.

Women LARPing as a historically oppressed class is honestly even more pathetic than them LARPing as a currently oppressed one. Women had it way fucking easier than men throughout history and it’s not even close.

>>25387899
Graeber was a fucking hack. One day his works will be looked back on as giant ass memes like GG&S and Sapiens are today.

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Men are going to be turned into little doll sized in the future, and everyone will be happier this way. The problem is that we aren't there yet and people, both men and women, are struggling in this transition phase.

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>>25389902

>>25387651
There never were inequalities. The male/female equation was balanced. Feminism has imbalanced it, and now Islam is being invited to the West with open arms by feminists and other faggots, because at.the end of the day, the feminist ethic is nothing but an adornment. Men like to adorn their women with gold, but women entrusted with gold can find its easily stolen.

I did it.

>>25387651
>All the male griping about this comes down to the fact that you have to compromise some of the time
My ex-gf didn't even ask me to compromise, she just got upset and then dumped me. Now I have a chinese gf who does pretty much whatever I want. White women are the problem.

>>25390182
>It's just that they can actually negotiate with men with a measure of fairness now
Have you ever actually tried negotiating with a woman? Their idea of "fairness" is getting and being able to do whatever they want while you do all the work and change to fit their preferences. Ask a woman what she brings to the table and most of the time she'll be unable to answer, get mad at the question or tell you that she is the table.

>>25390226
How many female diplomats have existed in history?

>>25389902
No you just have an egregious fetish on par with inflation

>>25390275
Not many, I assume.

>>25390280
Female biased dimorphism is common across animals, including terrestrial vertebrates. It's the most common dimorphism overall. The efficiency of female-biased dimorphism, especially under abundance regimes, renders it far more stable as a long-term phenotype. If we assume humanity will maintain or increase the current abundant industrial output, then genetically and cybernetically modifying men to become doll-sized and women to become larger is a more efficient way to organize human bodies for long-term energy organization and reproductive potential.

I can prove this mathematically as well.

>>25388144
>Helplessness, cowardice, etc. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
When someone begins losing and correctly assesses their own situation as "I am losing" this opens the floodgates for everyone around them to smell the blood in the water and pile on. Because at the end of the day life is a progressing series of layers; your victories and losses stack on top of each other sequentially and inevitably. There will always be "a better day" and "a worse day" for all living people. And in much the same way that phenomenon has a sort of stacking effect, human society is similarly constructed and it only benefits everyone else if the designated loser is bullied into remaining at the lowest level of the tribe as possible, ideally forever, but usually not because starvation and suicide exist. All human existence is a struggle to not be this individual who is abused by everybody else. Even churches and charities victimize them in their own ways. There's no escaping this instinct because it's how humans survived in unrecorded history as well.

>>25390768
now try not to yap about completely incoherent dogshit

>>25390777
Who would ever dare read anything longer than a Sharty post on /lit/?

>>25390790
I did read it and it had no content despite going on for hours

>>25390795
I think that says more of you than me.

>>25390798
you are just not that insightful

>>25390813
Can you reply to me again? You really need to get the last word in.

>>25387223
Women haven't "won". What happened is 2 distinct things:
>1. The popularization of makeup makes women on average more attractive than men, and hence gives the possibility to be more selective (given that most people seek partners as good looking as them)
>2. The few fields where little gender equality was preached (education and justice notably) have seen women outperform men because boys are left unequal.

>>25387661
>Gen Z Women have a better access to education
True, but largely because we keep the whole "boys are dumb" myth. It's paradoxically more gender equality that would solve this.

>Gen Z Women have better wages
Wrong, women make 90% of what men make on average per week

>Gen Z women have guaranteed internships/executive roles through DEI plans
Wrong except for tech companies (and even then it(s very debated)

>Gen Z women can have sex with virtually any man they wish
>Even if they fail, a man will be ok to have them for housewife
Hard to quantify but sure

>Never have to go to war
Nigger this isn't the 1950s nobody is getting drafted outside of shitholes like Russia

>Guaranteed room in premium homeless shelter
Yeah because they get raped otherwise lmfao

>>25387703
>I just don't want discriminatory "opportunities" to favour a gender over the other
DEI are a very minor thing anon. There's no systematic denial of men to favor less qualified women or minorities that occurs on a large scale. The reason why you see women more in middle-management position is because ironically teachers and parents invest more in girls' education than boys'. In other words, the issue is literally a lack of gender equality.

>Women can just turn into housewives or get priority sheltering
Not really. Again, the reason we see less women becoming gangbangers or druggies is because they're better educated than boys. The solution to solve this is more equality, not less. There's no mass phenomenon of men picking up homeless women to marry.

>>25387753
>I'm doing what I can to abolish it.
But you're not. What you should be advocating for is more equality, not less. The other anon is completely right .You're complaining about a problem that requires more gender equality lol

>>25390948
yeah just one question, is this satire?

>>25390948
A bunch of claims that can't be proven.

>>25390955
>>25390962
Just go to R9K faggot and stop shitting /lit/ with your desperate attention-begging.

>25391088
>said begging for a (You)

>>25391088
didn't answer the question

The main problem as I see it is that most women are not worth what it takes to get them, but we men are slaves to lust and romantic desire. The want for a woman is an emotional desire. If we were castrated or gay, we'd not want to associate with women. It's this frustration of knowing you desire an overvalued asset that causes angst.
This wasn't the case previously, because women did many important tasks, to the extent that you'd really want a wife even if you never fucked her.
I seriously think that the advent of realistic commodified sex bots and artificial wombs will cause unprecedented societal upheaval for this reason.

>>25390727
Shut the fuck up and go back to your gooncave, nigger.

>>25391392
You are coping and seething. I am correct about all of this

>150 replies in a "books for this feel" off topic thread
Shame!

>>25392273
it would be nice if any of them were on topic

Bumpa

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Socioculturally it is noticeable that threads like this did not exist 10 years ago let alone completely flood the board.

Men have definitely woken up to the women scam and are not happy.

>>25387941
>your aharisma.
Oh my God, you're brown.
I thought I was talking to an actual human being.

>>25390727
The most optimal path forward is all men and artifical incubators, wasting half the energy of our kind on walking wombs is a grave misallocation of resources.

>>25387223
Just become schizoid and you won't worry about women or relationships at all.
Or just be charismatic. My brother is marrying a girl from a much richer family and she'll be making 5x his income.

>>25388230
inevitably, at some point, men just do an Iranian revolution and reassert their dominance.
The only question is which men are going to be doing this and will it be, you know, the same ones who did the Iranian revolution. Or will it be the Chinese, the Russians, mystery meat Alphies with post-ironic meme poisoning?
Feminism can never win in the long run. All it does is create a temporary crisis, and then a power vacuum which gets filled by powerful people stepping up.

Beep

>>25395409
>>25388230
The Iranian revolution was a product of its time. Like all egregious social issues, males will never do anything to stop it because they have video games and porn. The real change would come from a technological change, like >>25391379 says. Advances in labor saving technology are what undermined inherent male value in society to begin with, so it's probably a prerequisite to undermine female social value.

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>>25388166
>you just need to find one woman, just one

>>25387223
>Women won
This implies that there is a zero-sum competition between the sexes, which is bullshit.

>>25398284
If you think males and females have the same interests in regards to mate acquisition then you are patently retarded.

>>25398320
>If you think males and females have the same interests in regards to mate acquisition
That's not what I said, you illiterate retard.

>>25398284
This is exquisite cope.

>>25387223
in my experience, the victory is online only, if you go offline you'll see that in the vast majority of countries it's a man's world offline. The only exceptions are countries like the U.K. and Belgium which will actively ensure that you get stabbed and you can't defend yourself if you're white and something happens to you at night.

>>25398789
what are you, the global traveler?

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>>25387872
Somehow it's less fun than I imagined.

>>25390948
>Wrong, women make 90% of what men make on average per week
Average doesn't mean shit, too many old women are stay-at-home for it to be relevant. Pick Gen Z only, full-time only, and see for yourself.

>Wrong except for tech companies
Wow, wrong except for the fastest growing industry where most of the money and power is to be made. So cool.

>Yeah because they get raped otherwise lmfao
Men get assaulted for being homeless more than women. People die.

>largely because we keep the whole "boys are dumb" myth. It's paradoxically more gender equality that would solve this.
I'm not against gender equality. I'm against double standards and discrimination. So sure, go ahead and add points to boys' GPA like you did for coloured folks.

>>25398874
>I'm not against gender equality
I am. Women are inferior.

>>25398798
women's upperhand is that they managed to longhouse the cultural product with their ability to project feminist thought through ads, movies, internet reels, whilst also being able to seek sugar-daddies in secret and have Onlyfans, when they would be spotted in public or have to expend a lot of effort to control their image in public.
But if you go offline and simply walk around, you'll see that it's held together by a thread, the world is actually a lawless place held together by simp males. It's only in societies where the police is designed to actively prevent freedoms, where the matriarchy is in place, and in those places, like the U.K. the male refugees are even able to commit the worst crimes imaginable because the women are afraid of the male backlash from the foreign communities.
Once you start believing in the corporeal world, things start to unveil themselves.

>>25398772
It is zero-sum and mutually exclusive, retard.

>>25398773
There is no "cope."
"Women won" implies that the sexes are inherently at war with each other, which is a retarded way of viewing the world. Women and men complement each other. If you're living correctly, you shoukd be cooperating with women as much as possible. The entire concept of marriage revolves around that very cooperation and is critical for successfully raising children. If you internalize this leftist "everything is about power" mentality then you are just setting yourself up for failure and misery.
>>25398971
>It is zero-sum
It literally isn't.
>and mutually exclusive
That doesn't even make sense in this context
>retard
You've proven yourself multiple times to be too retarded to even comprehend my posts. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>25399073
I am sure you compliment women quite well by being a gynoslave with no rights

>>25398897
what do you mean go offline, where would I go offline, on some fucking african village with the grandmas? there is no offline anymore, your mid bitch has 500 other jerk offs waiting in line on instagram

>>25387789
OP is a faggot and didn't even bother to at least mention Houllebecq or something in the same vein

>>25399073
>"Women won" implies that the sexes are inherently at war with each other
They are. Women are our mothers, our teachers, our fellow students, our coworkers, our managers and HR reps, our entertainers, our policy makers, and no matter what their role in our life is women have positioned themselves as our enemy. From the cradle to the grave women belittle and villify us. Male sexuality is regarded as evil. Just looking at a woman can ruin our lives forever.
>The entire concept of marriage revolves around that very cooperation
Marriage is dead. Birth rates are dead. Women killed them both. When men were in charge these were both stable. Less than a century of women in charge and everything's ruined. There is no cooperation. Women would rather shame an humiliate men for tiktok likes than be a decent human being.

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>>25387223
unwin, but, no one talks about the #1 greatest blasphemy of all time, intentionally separating child from father while lying that its good for the child

>>25399130
>would I go offline
Outside you retarded zoomer.

>>25399130
I sort of know what you mean, the outside world has so many people logging in that you're pulled in by osmosis, but yeah, you have to treat the world as if there is no other layer.

>>25387651
Your unsustainable civilization will collapse under its own weight or worse.

>>25399508
just go play your bingo and leave us alone grandpa
>>25399635
no I don't have to treat anything as anything it's not, you are advocating engaging in delirious cope in order to deal with a very serious problem

>>25387703
The idea that most women have being a housewife as some easy fallback in 2026 is just wrong. The complement of women entering the workforce is that the “family wage” for men no longer exists. Besides that, increasing numbers of men have just completely abandoned any ambition of being providers. Many even jealousy resent the suggestion they should pay for a first date. A lot of women feel like incels when it comes to the unrealizable fantasy of being a housewife. Still, price of progress and all that. Future will be ok I think.

>>25399771
yeah ain't no woman weeping over the unrealizable fantasy of being a housewife. they are all eagerly in college riding the dick carousel and wasting away their fertile years, and then eagerly being a wagie after that until they're 35 so much so that it's causing an employment crisis for men because businesses prefer to employ them so much much more for being eager wageslaves.

>>25388005
>don't post the other extreme of actual historical rapist creeps you incel!!!
Dirlewanger was a psycho pedophile that the rest of the SS hated

>>25399363
skill issue, faggot
go troon out if getting women is so hard for you

>>25387661
The biggest eye-opener is...
>Gen Z Women have billion dollar Federal Programs that are designed to help women get into college despite already being 60% (and climbing) of the college graduates.
There is no end in sight to programs to benefit women even when they have conquered said discipline, and there are zero programs to benefit men.

>>25400444
*white men

I'm sick of reading incel whining.

>>25387223
Im siding with the women at this point. we're putting you in camps or whatever. unlimited genocide on dorks that talk like this.

>>25400500
you will never be a real woman, freak

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>>25394130
yeah 10 years ago no one had heard of unwin and today no one has heard if unwin. but the needle was moved on Christianity, everyone is Christian now, which makes them misogynist, and misogyny is the woman beating heart of political conservatism

>>25400372
And?

>>25400494
Once you and people like you are hanging from a rope you wont have to hear whining anymore.:)

>>25390948
>Nigger this isn't the 1950s nobody is getting drafted outside of shitholes like Russia

As of 2026, the following European countries maintain active compulsory military service (conscription):

Austria: Mandatory for men aged 18–35 (or alternative civilian service).
Croatia: Reinstated in January 2026 for men aged 19–29.
Cyprus: Mandatory for male citizens over 18.
Denmark: Mandatory for men (until 2026) and both men and women from 2026.
Estonia: Mandatory for men aged 18–27.
Finland: Mandatory for men (alternative service available).
Greece: Mandatory for men aged 19–45.
Latvia: Reinstated in January 2024 for men aged 18–27.
Lithuania: Mandatory selection for men aged 18–23.
Norway: Gender-neutral conscription for men and women (highly selective).
Sweden: Gender-neutral conscription for men and women (highly selective).
Switzerland: Mandatory for male citizens aged 20–30 (or civilian service).
Turkey: Mandatory for men aged 20–41.
Ukraine: Mandatory for men over 25 due to the ongoing war.

Draft will most likely go back to most western countries simply because it's evident that modern warfare is so casualty heavy that you need redundancy to absorb it, so suddenly having trained reservists that you can mobilise and make useful within 2-3 months is an advantage, not a problem. Basically all armies in Europe want to increase their army size but can't find people to serve, eventually the solution will become obvious. Note that a couple of countries including uber shithole Denmark have already reintroduced it.

>>25400494
Incel board.

>>25401435
>Croatia
>Estonia
>Cyprus
>Lithuania
>Latvia
>Finland
...so mostly minor micro-shitholes, huh?

>Greece
>Turkey
subhuman-land?

>Denmark
>Norway
>Sweden
conscript women as well

>>25401617
is there any substance to this post other than coping?