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If an immaterial soul were the true seat of human identity, physical brain damage or a stroke could not completely rewrite a person's core personality, memories, and moral character.
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>>25387380
>Aquinas uses "matter" the way moderns use the term.
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>>25387380
Souls don't exist and Aquinas was wrong about pretty much everything.
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dude OP why are you spending your time reading this bullshit
quit being a little baby, accept materialism, and go smoke a nice cigar
stay smokey
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>>25387380
How you make souls work with brains is actually an interesting worldbuilding problem more than anything. I used that as a starting point to build a pretty sophisticated fictional cosmology one time. Speculatively, I’m sure there’s multiple different ways you could make it work but obviously it doesn’t have anything to do with reality as even if souls exist you cannot observe them.
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>>25387380
sure it could. it would impede the way that immaterial soul interfaces with the material world. if you put a colored filter over a window, would you conclude that the entire outside world changed color?
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>>25387380
This is the weaker form of the problem since you can do this kind of wordplay >>25387453 around it
The stronger version of the problem is how some ailments that are clearly related to your physical nervous system might interact with free will (think bipolarity or extreme volatily of temper following damage to the prefrontal cortex), since this would imply a physical ailment could lead you to sin and thus condemn your soul
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>>25387444
>accept materialism
Only sinful homosexuals accept this.
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>>25387380
>>25387451
You are confuse the empirical ego with Spirit / Atman / Nous / Intellectus / Mind

Psychological integrity can disintegrate, personal memory can fade, the brain and its cognitive apparatus can be impaired; but it is not the psychological integrity of the empirical ego that is in question. The question is of that abiding unity of pure, singular, incommunicable awareness as such.
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>>25387517
Fuck off rajneesh
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>>25387502
Accepting materialism but still behaving in a non-base way is the ultimate position.
To have the strength to not give up in the harsh light of the unfortunate truth is what man should strive for.
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>>25387380
Explain Terminal Lucidity OP
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>>25387380
If you smash a mirror the image it reflects will become distorted but the object it is reflecting remains completely undamaged. This is a common view of the soul in philosophic works though I do not know if Aquinas follows that same view.
>>25387470
Ancient and by extension medieval philosophy maintains a separation between the different faculties of the soul, free will stems from the rational soul while psychosomatic conditioning exists within the passional and appetitive souls. Sin and damnation have little to do with this however because at least in a Christian context you are saved rather than the one who achieves salvation, you could commit many sins and still be saved, in fact that is the 'normal' state of things for the average believer.
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>>25387470

any impediment to your free will is taken into account when ascertaining the moral character of an action. For example, suicide is a mortal sin but the gravity/culpability is lessened by factors such as extreme emotional distress and mental illness. In many cases, these factors turn a mortal sin into a venial sin.
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If you smash your computer you might not hear joe rogan voices anymore but joe rogan is still in the studio talking.
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>>25387521
Wow that is incredibly rude. Why would you say such a thing? Seriously anon.
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>>25387960
>but joe rogan is still in the studio talking.
Not really. He easily could have finished talking and left the studio hours before you started watching the recording
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>>25387470
The argument still applies even with things that override free will imo



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