>Worm
>Kill 6 Billion Demons
>Serial Experiment Lain
What do you call this genre of Yurifag fiction?

>>25390638
shitty web fan fiction aren't "novels"

My wife, Tattletale, did nothing wrong.

So, uh... what is Worm about again?

>>25390684
Teen Superheroes and angst

Also a cosmic case of cuckoldry (for some reason) believe it or not

>>25390684
Femcel mass shooter Spider-Man

>>25390657
House of Leaves was a webnovel first

>>25390684
Canadian redditor who's obsessed with women and probably suffers from agp writes an edgelord superhero world from the pov of a femcel who thinks and acts like a man, to the point the entire fambase assumes she's a lesbian. The worldbuilding is full of gigaliberal racism, like having a dragon man as the boss of the asian gang or the black member of the team being the son of a crack hoe and a guy who used to beat the shit out of him. the protag ends up getting blacked by him while rejecting two fat and nerdy white boys.
Btw, the world's most dangerous villain is Johnny Depp larping as the joker. Thinking about it now, by the end of the story all the characters that matter besides him and autistic batman are women.

>>25390949
>obviously read and enjoyed the story but now must backtrack because he fell down the culture war pipeline
many such cases

>>25391063
The author, like so many people who make the mistake of interacting with their fans, obviously changes things based on their reactions. This leads to things like the sequel to Worm having entire chapters were the characters do nothing except discuss their boundaries and feelings, or in Twig where he kills off a character who's gay for the MC, then brings them back as a clone who becomes trans in order to date the MC

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>>25390672
>pic related

>>25391303
Needs brutal and sustained correction.

>>25391308
settle down amy

>>25390638
No webserial has outdone it yet and it seems less and less likely any ever will.

I preferred A Practical Guide to Evil.

>>25390638
what kind of loser reads this garbage

>>25390657
there, there, grandpa, let’s get you back to bed

>>25391352
Me.

>>25391355
did your dick wound heal yet?

>>25391063
I still like it, but it's funny to think about how much the author's neurosis influenced the story. The sad thing is that his posterior works suffered much more from it.
Hell, even the fact the worm will perpetually rot as a webnovel despite how popular it could be is fruit of his way of thinking.

Legit think if he'd played his cards right it could've been Worm instead of Invincible that got adapted. He was in the right place and right time, but did nothing right after finding online success. Didn't even manage to get it trad published.

>>25391584
unlikely, invincible was already a comic by the guy that did the walking dead.

>>25391584
>but did nothing right after finding online success.
He actually straight up denied any adaption for his works. "Apparently" the dude was offered to get his book adapted by multiple different studios, but outright rejected them. I don't know how credible is that, but it is true that the author really dislikes his work being edited in any shape or form.
Gotta give him props to dislike his works being edited.

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>>25391635
As somebody who's also trying to break into the world of web novels (or at least trying to start things off with a web novel, maybe expanding into physical books later), Wildbow's autism is just too much for me. Like, I am autistic, but not THAT autistic. If multiple high-level people in the entertainment industry offer to at least take a stab at your work you've gotta say yes. Sure, they may butcher it, but in the process they'll get you more exposure than you could possibly imagine, could have possibly dreamed of when you were just posting to Spacebattles or 4chan.

And if they DO butcher it you can pull a George R.R. Martin and say, "My version is better, guys, check it out!", and you STILL get way more readers than you would have before. It's basically a win/win, whether the people who want to adapt your work do a good job or not. Assuming you can work the media like GRRM, at least.

>capeshit with female lead and interracial shipping

X to doubt

If you want the antihetical story to this, read Burgess O'Bannon's Superhero Saga. It's teens with powers, but it's anti-reddit.

>>25391839
What if I told you it had extended descriptions of women and children being tortured?

Crazy amount of samefagging going on in this thread.

>>25390657
What is it a fan fiction of?

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i tried reading this, but couldn't get past the first chapter because it was very, very shitty
somehow far worse than most of the things you'd get recommended in /sffg/

>>25391069
>kills off a character who's gay for the MC, then brings them back as a clone who becomes trans in order to date the MC
man what the fuck

>>25390638
Why is Taylor such a cutie? Legitimally solidified my type for life I think. I didn't really have one before reading it, now I'm falling for every tall skinny girl with dark hair.

>>25391069
That is why Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality is the king of web novels.

>>25391962
Itself

>>25391584
He couldn't even handle the reception to Worm's sequel, any audience reaction to a Worm adaptation would actually kill him.

>>25391635
>He actually straight up denied any adaption for his works
"Take that, you worm!"

>>25392077
Fuck Victoria (or Rachel)
Marry Tattledale
Kill Taylor

>>25391635
I never knew Woldblow was so based

>>25392976
>>25391635
The Alan Moore of webslop

>>25390949
The protag isn't black?!

>>25393727
kek

>>25390638
>>25390638
I've read a lot of webfiction after I discovered Worm way back then, but reflecting on it now it really is the peak of the medium. The ending is perfect, the characters are impactful, and there are no loose ends. The rest doesn't come close, to be honest.

What really set it apart even from what people call great genre fiction for me is the ending. One of the only satisfying ones I've ever read in a story of this type (really long, world/character focused hero journey thing). It ties everything together and elevates the middling and sometimes cringy ingredients into something quite good.

>>25393866
More "wild ride" than perfect, but definitely an experience

>>25391063
You enjoyed this miserable dreg?

>>25390949
>he protag ends up getting blacked
thanks for saving my time anon

>>25393866
I never made it to the end. the timeskip really blunted my enjoyment and I was like alright enough is enough

>>25394403
You polkeks are so fucking fragile.

>>25394602
>tranny author
>ends in interracial

Lol

>>25394403
>>25390949
OK yes but you're ignoring the fact that the comic relief character is a serial rapist who spends a quarter of the narrative using a female villain as a meat puppet, which is exceptionally chuddy

>>25394821
no way anyone thought a woman wrote this

>>25393782
She's ambiguously brown

>>25395109
She's explicitly Irish and ambigously half-french or something. I think you consumed too much tumblr tranny fanart.

>>25391333
Same

>>25390645
AGP pseud fiction

>>25394334
It's peak genre slop

>>25390638
>white woman MC who gets blacked
Yeah, definitely one of the most American novels I can think of.

>>25390638
Wtf im starting this now and now there is a thread about it.
Spooky.

>>25391635
>Gotta give him props to dislike his works being edited.
He doesn't deserve props for being a total sperg. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in the years after Worm when he first talked about insane studio execs wanting to change everything, but after the whole Ward debacle I'm pretty much convinced that everything he said back then was a severe exaggeration at best. The guy can't take criticism in any way, and defaults to digging his heels in and shutting down when people have a problem with his writing.

Does it hold up and is it worth reading if you are a man in his 30s? I tried giving this a try over a decade ago but I listened to some amateur audiobook rendition and it ruined it for me.

>>25396846
If you're a man in his thirties browsing this website you probably love Buffy the Vampire Slayer, JoJo, and Hunter X Hunter, which seem to be the biggest influences in how he plots character interactions and fights.

>>25396980
I don't watch tv and I loathe anime.

>>25391635
This is the guy who edits people's comments on his wordpress and was too much of a pussy to follow up on his dice rolls killing characters when it meant Taylor would die. You're a retard if you actually believe his "I was totally offered a tv adaptation deal" story

>>25391063
>projection: the post
Back to plebbit with you, dumbass tranny.

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>>25394602
Says the faggot so triggered he was compelled to reply.

>autist with no friends
>falls in love with a chatbot
>tells everyone it's his girlfriend
Is Armsmaster /ourguy/?

Amy did nothing wrong

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>makes worm fans fight each other over her character
>become so controversial that the author hates her
>mindbreaks the author into disliking his own creation to the point where he hate writes her own downfall
>makes woketards seethe
APOLOGIZE

>>25397765
What did she do that was so bad? Be cute and white?

>>25397775
>What did she do that was so bad?
She mindraped her step sister. Meaning she brainwashed her into liking her back. There are lots of theories on why she liked her sister, but talking about it makes fans really divisive to the point where the discussion ALWAYS goes into a loop. The author straight up loathed her because she always caused fans to make autistic debates about her, even if it was for her. In the sequel she gets worse and worse to the point its pretty clear that the author hates her and wrote her into a spiral, she becomes insanely fucked up. It's probably also one of the reasons why the author became so sensitive into people criticizing his writing. Especially in Worm/Ward. Redditors hate her too. She was honestly justified in her actions, but people dismiss them automatically and label her. You either hate her or defend her. No in between.
tl;dr She's a femcel.

>>25397789
Forgot to add she later mutilates her step sister and made her into a love-blob monster because her obsession with her was too strong. Cures her later but she is still hated by literally everyone and her family. NO one defends her on what she did in the story.
She's cute at least too.

>>25397789
I could fix her. With my BWC.

>>25390638
It's an AGP-fest, avoid it at all cost.

>>25390949
>probably suffers from agp
>>25395444
>AGP pseud fiction
>>25397824
>It's an AGP-fest

Huh? Accelerated Graphics Port?

>>25397789
>There are lots of theories on why she liked her sister, but
The author himself was at first confirming, that Vicky's aura was passively mindfucking Amy.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210118072442/https://parahumans.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/interlude-21/
Ctrl+F in the comments: "I wondered if anyone would pay any attention to that."

Then, several years later, the sneaky faggot subtly edited his own AND other users' posts, to pretend this never happened:
https://imgur.com/a/1hyzSyA


Here's also a screenshot in this post. Back in 2013, Wilbow didn't deny the aura theory, and was only happy to bring it up himself:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/why-isnt-ward-as-popular-as-worm.1122893/page-65#post-109719221
"Amy realized she had feelings for Victoria. She bottled them up. Readers have speculated that Glory Girl's 'awe' aura might have had long term effects on the emotionally vulnerable Amy, helping this along (or making it happen)."


Then, during the writing of Ward, Wildbow, being a flip-flopping retconning retard, decided to backtrack and do something retarded instead, making Amy's character jarringly inconsistent between the two books.

>>25397895
>Wildbow, being a flip-flopping retconning retard, decided to backtrack and do something retarded instead

It's not even the first time he demonstratively spitefully takes a shit on his own fanbase, just out of pure spite and malice, whenever he feels he can:


He added and canonized the existence of some fucking Youth Guard during the so-called PRT Quest on spacebattles, just to make life harder to the players, because they were successfully resisting his direction into the grimderp.

He retconned Browbeat into dying, because fans started to speculate whether Browbeat was Moose in the Ward's comments.

He revealed Mlekk (a very episodic character, whom fans nonetheless liked) to be the very asshole that fans hated, because fans apparently were making a mlekk joke in the comments way too often.

He made Rune's actual name to be Tammi (very very late in the Ward), despite being aware that the fanfiction authors have been calling her Cassie for years. (Really, would it have killed him to pet the fanbase?)

etc.

>>25397899
Shitting on reddit spacing faggots like you makes me like him more.

>>25397899
"Fans" are the lowest form of life and deserve to be treated with contempt, everything you listed sounds based.

>>25397640
>>25397765
>villain is evil because... SHE WON'T GO TO THERAPY
2018 was a hell of an era

>>25397765
Amy only became controversial because of Wildbow's autism lmao. He retconned her into a rapist and all around monster for no reason other than making Victoria look better. Then called his readers rape apologists when they pointed out that he retconned her entire character. Like 90% of Ward is just Wildbow making really stupid decisions then doubling down when the readers didn't like it.

>>25397789
note that in the scene where this initially happens, she explicitly tells victoria not to touch her, twice, which victoria of course ignores.
when the recently traumatized girl with an extremely dangerous touch-based ability says this, you listen. it was always victoria's fault even without taking any aura mindfuckery into account.
the core problem with ward is that victoria was always a bad person, and in ward the world contorts itself to make her right anyway.

>>25398230
Well, there's a reason why aside from the initial success of Worm, very few care about anything else that Wildbow wrote.

It's one thing to challenge your audience, it's quite another to just keep bitchslapping it for fun.

I dropped reading Worm way back when sometime after the Slaughterhouse 9000 and all the chapters of Scion just destroying everything since the scale got so crazy by that point while simultaneously feeling like things and characters mattered less than ever. I really liked the Undersiders dynamics but when the story shifted from that it really lost my interest. Is it worth ever finishing this and reading Ward to see how bad the rest got?

>>25398496
>Is it worth ever finishing this
No. Should have dropped once the timeskip happened.

>>25398545
Yeah the entire India arc was fucking terrible especially when Alec/Regemt died pointlessly when he was one of my favorite characters. And then even after Behemoth is destroyed only for more Endbringers to come in that have basically no plot relevance beyond showing nothing really changed or improved was just miserable to read but I wanted to trudge on until it just became too much to tolerate.

>>25398251
It's funny because the Sopranos came out 20 years ago lol

millennisoy capeshit fiction.

I like how every year you guys try to shill this it always attracted a schizo to spaz out on you now they don't even care anymore

The story peaked during Leviathan.

nah it peaked at the end. Quality takes a dip at the halfway point but it comes back at the final arc.

It actually peaked during the Bakuda arc when the nazi gang leader told the black crackhead that his jigaboo ass didn't deserve a seat at the table. Also manually lowercasing the first letter of your first sentence while being to lazy to do the same for the next outs you as a disgusting phoneposter

>>25398950
stop being so mad, it's bad for your health.

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>>25390672
I really doubt you're Taylor.

>>25390638
My jealousy keeps me from reading anything contemporary. I feel a flare of rage when I see this mentioned and I don't even know if its good or not.

Wandering Inn (volumes 1-5) mogs

>>25398966
Disqualified from even being in the same tier due to being LitRPG trash.

>>25398972
Worm has no grounds to claim literary high ground over other webslop until it gets tradpubbed

>>25398972
Litrpg > hpmor >>>> worm

>>25398977
Not really.

1. It's finished. With a good ending mind you.
2. It's not LitRPG trash.
3. The author isn't ESL.

Just this puts it above almost every other webnovel out there. At least Wandering Inn has the "not ESL" going for it. Don't know if it's still ongoing.

>>25398972
This.
>>25398977
>>25398978
Wrong.

>>25398980
>The author isn't ESL
he sure sounds like it lmao

>>25398980
LitRPG is fully mainstream now, gramps. It's not qualitatively different from other published fiction according to 99% of readers.

>>25398977
Why would a trad publisher want to print something anybody can read online for free

>>25398989
>What is The Martian

>>25398986
99% of readers have no idea that anything as fucking cringe as litrpgs exists

>>25398993
Dungeon Crawler Carl is the biggest series of the past couple years. Every normie has read it.

>>25398993
>99% of readers have no idea that anything as fucking cringe as worm* exists
ftfy

>>25398996
If we went out into the street and asked 20 people at random if they knew what Dungeon Crawler Carl was and for every one that said they did I would cut off a digit but for every one who didn't you would have to suck my cock we both know that I would keep all my fingers/toes and you would be gargling my baby batter 20 times.

>>25399008
Wrong.

>>25399008
You sound upset

>>25398980
Can someone rec me a good one with an EFL author? Already read Practical Guide. It's surprisingly refreshing reading something with good prose after drowning in translated trash. Most of the times even the translators are ESL.

>>25398321
>retcon a character to have been a rapist all this time
>finger wag at her fans for being upset
based Wildblow

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>>25396813
>>25398349
>>25398496
Ward is good and Victoria is a qtpa2t

>>25399338
Ward is awful and Victoria is utterly mogged by Taylor. Wildbow can't even write a stacy correctly.

>>25398321
>retconned
It was always implicit, the readers were just too stupid to figure it out without a flashback spelling it out

buy an ad dude

>>25400223
>needlessly bumping the thread
You are not fooling anyone, shill. Just hide the thread instead of bumping it up.
Stop giving this webnovel free advertisements.

>>25400203
Absolutely not lol. Even aside from the rape that Wildbow added in, Amy has an entire redemption arc that got retconned in Ward because Victoria needs to have enemies that are completely unequivocally evil because Wildbow was terrified of people disliking Victoria. Which ironically just lead to more people disliking her, which lead to Wildbow doubling down, which lead to more people disliking her, and so on and so forth

>>25391333
>>25395371
redpill me on this series

>>25400597
Speaking of Amy retcons, I thought it was really funny how Ward heavily implies that the whole body horror flesh monster thing was just something she was into, as opposed to her losing control of her power. Wasn't it like a big part of the ending in Worm that the Victoria flesh monster looked exactly like Scion's wifey? I guess we were just supposed to forget about that whole thing so we could hate Amy more.

>>25398887
All the Endbringer fights are basically filler

>>25398887
>not Slaughterhouse 9
>not Echidna

>>25390922
It's a scrapbook, not a novel.

>>25391962
all amateur fiction is fan fiction

>>25401755
Big if true

This thread never really got off the ground as a discussion of the Great American Novel. It was hijacked within minutes by one poster shilling Worm, and roughly 90% of the 124 collected posts are fight-the-shill dopamine exchanges about that one webnovel.

>>25402418
You must be new to /lit/.

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>>25402418
All great novels are derivative of old mythology. If capeshit is America's Iliad, it stands to reason that the Great American Novel would be derivative of capeshit.

>>25397775
Sinned against God and Man

YOU'RE A FUCKING FAGGOT IF YOU READ THIS SHIT

peace.

>>25398977
It'll never get published because the author has pretty much disowned the series because the sequel was hated so much and the subsequent fan backlash.

The mindfuck of guessing the wrong choice between killing Jack and letting the baby live is great, especially since it ends with shooting the baby while Jack just gets trapped.

>>25390638
I'm trying hard to read this but I just can't get into it. My eyes are skimming over everything. This story is for juvenile girls, not men.

So, why does this story get a lot of hate here and many threads while Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey pretty much get no threads on /lit/?
What do you anons mean by this?

>>25402282
it is true

>>25400597
No you just brainwashed yourself with fanfiction on Spacebattles fourms.

>>25403605
> This story is for juvenile girls, not men.
Why is that? Because the MC is a juvenile girl? Brilliant analysis there anon.

>>25390672
While you're correct that she did nothing wrong, you're still incorrect as a whole, because she can't be your wife, since she's my wife

>>25400203
It was a meant to be symbolic.

In the months leading up to the wretch Wildbow discussed his thoughts on rape frequently, claiming he wouldn't include rape in Worm because he didn't think he could get it right. In the past pre-Ward days when giving content warnings for or recommending Worm, he said there was no rape.

Then Ward comes out and suddenly it was totally actual rape all along.

>>25403971
I don't know why it's being shilled here. The OP is a man and should know that most of us here wouldn't be interested in some girl-power capeshit.

>>25404138
It's closer to a destruction of the genre (as in Watchmen) than it is cape-shit, and it was written well before that term was even a thing.

>>25404188
Watchmen is superheroes as an allegory for American empire and the militarization of Cold War society. Worm is "What if Spider-Man was a cute tomboy who would give me a pity fuck"

>>25404333
It more like if Michael Corleone was a depressed teenage girl who gains superpowers and wants to be a hero and do good, but then learns all about where the road of good intentions actually leads to.

A bait thread died for this.

>>25403897
Certain media are magnets for obsessive autists.

>>25403897
You can't really express the hate it deserves elsewhere because it's obscure by normal fag standards.

>>25404907
NTA but that is not an excuse. This is one of the most talked about webnovels on reddit. I considered this because you anons love mentioning reddit so much on this site for some reason.
It is normalfag shit.

>>25390638
The Great Millennial Novel as well

>>25395444
But Wildblow never trooned out thougheverbeit o algo

>>25390645
based

Literally the only way I know about worm is because people keep adding sections in cyoa pictures including it.

From what I can tell it's a web novel from someone who wanted to write super hero comics but could never collaborate without drama and refused to pay artist so never could make the comics they actually wanted.

>>25404948
>Literally the only way I know about worm is because people keep adding sections in cyoa pictures including it.
As for me, I know about it mostly via osmosis through fanfiction.

Although fanfic quality leaves a lot to be desired. The only Worm fanfic I enjoyed was Dysfunctional, but it is technically a double crossover with Youjo Senki and Fate.

>>25404982
That reminds me to see if that Youjo Senki X Sith fan fiction novel ever was completed.
Dude at the very least tried to keep everyone relatively in character, but for the lolz asked how Tanya would deal with a full power Sith lord fucking up her plans with powers that evade in universe explanation.
Sith mind tricks being the main cause of trouble in the chapters I read.