>>25392318https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
>>25392318>all my characters would despise youWhat a Reddit-coded thing to say.
>>25392318I buy most of my books used or borrow from the library and the authors don't see any money from that either. If the only option for a book is pay $20 I'm probably just not going to read it desu. I feel like the author would rather I read the book and rec it to people vs just never read it, but that's probably case by case
>>25392343I'm on welfare and I pay $30-$40 for books regularly.
>>25392318Piracy of audiobooks is justified. There is no fucking way I am going to ever pay $60+ dollars for a single audiobook. They have to be out of their god damn mind if they think I am going to pay that much for a fucking compressed to shit digital audio file that cost virtually nothing to duplicate and distribute. Even the actual cost of production is microscopic compared to nearly all other media.The cost are absurd. Thus I feel 100% justified in pirating audiobooks.
>>25392318Yes. Piracy, of literally anything, is justified.
There is no such thing as a digital good. If you want my money, get your library to buy a physical copy with my tax money like all the real porn authors.
Yes, everything is justified.
>>25392318Does this person feel the same way about used books?
>>25392406In the future the American Publishers' Association & the American Libraries Association, through many dollars of lobbying and political wrangling, will have immense & unheard-of influence on lawmaking. You need a digital ID to pay for used books. That way you won't be able to avoid paying the Jews at the APA & ALA the money duly owed to them, ahem, I mean the author. You'll be forced to pay t̶h̶e̶ ̶J̶e̶w̶s̶ the author what he's duly owed as an armed librarian stands guard, damn it!
>>25392318I wouldn't read the books of someone who wrote like that anyway
>>25392318Does she think her characters are real?
>>25392318My characters would despise you chud, they would hate you!!!!!
>>25392318Intellectual property isn't real
>>25392318>You are literally taking food from my kids' mouthsI mean that's a hilariously stupid and shrill way to put it, and makes me want to pirate more.
>>25392318>Redeem yourself
>>25392318Yes. Most authors do not make money selling books.
>>25392318not my problem
>>25392318Oceanofpdf is back up btw for anyone who tried to get books when it was down.Its not as good as AA but its easier to navigate the site and the downloads are fast. I really like Oceanofpdf
>>25392318>copying 0s and 1s is making me lose money
when people read a pirated book and if the like it a lot,they will most likely buy a physical copy of it.
>>25392318I just like being evil.
>>25392318Everything in regards to piracy is justified. Imagine if I had to pay you in order to use a food recipe you created. Shits fucking retarded, if I could, Id pirate a car, a woman and God himself
>>25392365Why? You don't know how to find cheaper copies or is this intentional?
https://open-slum.org/A link for everyone who wants to make sure that book piracy is doing poorly. You should probably go to the individual sites to make sure.
>>25392365That's really foolish of you. You should have more sensible priorities, especially for books when it's so easy to do it right.
>>25392318Love you Anna <3
>>25392373>I feelFoid tier behavior
>>25392365You gave it away immediately. You're on welfare so you don't value your money. I was on food stamps for three months in my 20s, and I did whatever the hell I wanted with it.
>>25392975I know, right?
>>25392318I won't be satisfied unless I can actually take food out of the kids' mouths and eat it while they watch me and cry.
>>25393084What happened to the other one?
>>25393093Fine.If paying for a digital copy doesn't mean ownership than making my own copies digitally isn't stealing.Now feel my nuts on your forehead dipshit.
>>25392318Ancap here. 100% yes. All piracy of ideas is justified and good. Only private property exists. There is no such thing as intellectual property, it is communist nonsense.
imagine being such a faggot you dislike people reading your books
>>25392318the only books i have purchased have been second hand books i wanted to read not on a kindle or ipad. i pirate everything. i wouldn't be buying them as actual books from a store, so they haven't lost a sale.
Don't open this website, it's dolphin porn. >>25392701
>>25393977>it is communist nonsenseI would argue that it's a government granted monopoly rather than communist in particular. Mixed economies, most versions of socialist including the national kind, commies, and I would bet even monarchies would be in favor of such things because it expands the power of the state into the realm of thoughts and ideas. Or to put it another way, it's statist propaganda, lol.
>>25394098Took me a second to get the joke.
>>25393977Massive amounts of resources in the fictional ancapistan would thereby be wasted by private industry attempting to enforce intellectual property protection privately, crippling investment/innovation and rendering ancapistan uncompetitive
>>25392325You are the definition of a conformist
>>25393977so patents on designs and ideas should just be ignored? wouldnt that undermine capitalism?
>>25394503Yes. I don't care.
>>25392647came here for this lol
Piracy is an ammoral act. It is neither good nor bad and people who try to present it as either are trying to have a sense of superiority.I pirate because I do not want to spend my money on things. I am not doing it as any form of protest because the industry is corrupt or too costly or any other noble or justifiable reason. Piracy probably does not do a huge amount of harm to authors either so the ones like OP trying to present it as this shameful act that is literally taking food from her family's kitchen table is idiotic.
>>25392318>justified
>>25392318Who wrote that? Gayman?
>>25393977Intellectual property is libertarian shitThere was no intellectual property in USSR
>>25394742It is not private property therefore you cannot use aggression to defend it, and asserting a false property right with aggression violates the NAP. This is basic Ancapism.It's like if you were to claim you have the property right over the idea of a hamburger, and claim that you have the right to use aggression against anyone and everyone who made a hamburger because you own the property right to the idea of a hamburger, pure statist anti private property nonsense simply used as an excuse to constantly erode true and good private property rights and mandate coercion and aggression.
>>25394671Learning from other people is not immoral, nor can it be when doing so is integral to living and succeeding. In fact, denying people knowledge is immoral. So charging people to access your intellectual produce is evil and something you would only somewhat forgivably do to an enemy. And if you declare yourself my enemy, then me harming you is morally correct regardless.
>>25394891you don't understand copyrightyour example is factitious because you can only copyright a novel process of making a hamburger that you created, not the hamburger itself.
>>25392318rate my anna haul
>>25395854Performative. I'm not meme'ing.
>>25395862:/
>>25392699This>>25392975Billy Batson will always be Captain Marvel to me
>>25393977It's not "ideas" that are being stolen, it's books. It's fine to read a book and take ideas from it. It's not fine to take the book.
Don't worry guys, MY characters would fully support this, so it counteracts it all
Piracy is always justified because "intellectual property" doesn't exist, and attempting to enforce it violates physical property rights.
>>25392318I only pirate dead authors. Fuck your useless family estate.
>>25394671It’s not even about the money it’s just convenience. I already pay out the nose for 5 streaming services and buy shit I want a physical copy of on Amazon all the time. Sometimes what I want to watch / read / listen to simply isn’t available via channels I’m paying for and I don’t feel like surrendering my credit card to yet another service I won’t take full advantage of. A couple of mouse clicks and five minutes of waiting easily outweighs any moral or other questions I could possibly ask myself.
>>25392325It made me laugh because most of my characters would hate me and endorse pirating all of my work that contains them for the simple fact I am the architect of their misery.
>buy all of my books used>I spend my own money>none of it goes to the author>mfw
>>25396724>Piracy is always justified because "intellectual property" doesn't existSo why would anyone make things? If everyone was like you no movie would ever get made again. >attempting to enforce it violates physical property rights.How
>>25392318No, but I will keep doing it.
>>25392325I wasn't thinking of pirating but now I actually might
>>25392318>>25392325Which author said this? Lmao
>>25392318Support comes to those who support. But in Niel Gaiman's case pirate all his shit without a second thought because he's a holier-than-thou shitbag.
>>25392318intellectual property is bullshit
>>25397034>why would anyone make thingsyou have to stop posting here
>>25393079He is on welfare because he is dumb
>>25396724This, finally people are starting to see the trvth.>>25395768>novel processFor one you didn't define that term, for 2 that's not how copyright is defined traditionally anyway. You're being silly.I can copyright the idea of a specific type of car engine, why? It's just ridiculous anti-property nonsense.If I can replicate your idea with my own private property, it's still my fucking private property, it doesn't magically become your property somehow.
>>25396988You are a loser.
I mostly read Classical Authors. I'm not giving Publishers my money, Voltaire is not getting any money from beyond his grave. Penguin, Norton or whatever, already get plenty of money from Universities. And I'm not giving my money to fucking Oxford, they have more than my Country's entire GDP.And quite frankly i just don't care, the only good thing to come out of the Internet has been the ability to have hundreds of thousands of Books at my hand and i'll use that to my advantadge, if i had to pay for every book i have on my hard drive i'd be the one starving instead of this faggot's children. The only Books i purchase are from Publishers here in my own Country (Editora 34 my beloved), since showing support and buying books actually makes a difference in deciding what will be translated and keep these Publishers alive, unlike in America where the Publishers are all Multi Millionaire corporations that will stay afloat whether Piracy happens or not. The only contemporary Novel that i actually liked (Laurus), i bought a physical copy of. And the other few good authors alive are all 60+ years old, and that money is going to go to their kids. And i don't care nearly enough about the authors dumb Progeny who didn't write the book, they can go work an actual job instead of living off Royalties from their actually talented parents.
>>25397365Rebecca Kenney
>>25397936Someone's pirating this?
>>25397936>>25397951/lit/ Book Club, are we tackling this?
>>25397639>why?because you were responsible for the innovation, why should others be allowed to plagiarize your shit?if someone else discovered it independently, court allows them to prove it
>>25392318If I didn't I'd barely read anything, books were already expensive in my country and they (politicians) made them even more expensive through taxationfuck this country
There's a reason they say not to quit your day job.
>>25397624No I don't. Answer the question. Who would keep making movies if they didn't make money?
>>25392318Information must flow, simple as
>>25392318>all of my characters would despise youDo people read books to fantasize about being friends with the characters?
>>25398174to get laid
>>25398255Whenever I read Dostoevsky I can't help but imagine myself befriending his flawed, fragile, friendly human beings. Every night before I open my copy of The Brothers Karamazov I close my eyes and imagine an anime opening for the book. My montage (which I have worked on in my mind for quite some time) features Fyodor, Dmitri, Ivan, and Alyosha walking down the street, each in their signature style. Blue polka dots swirl behind them to a catchy J pop beat. We also have Grushenka winking at the camera as her tits jiggle, Katerina with her arms crossed frowning and looking away from the camera, and Smerdyakov looking sneaky with his hands in his pockets before he stops and smiles at us. There is also a shot of Ivan falling through the clouds against a baby blue sky before Alyosha skydives over to him and offers Ivan his hand.The montage ends with all the characters standing in a circle and joking about, then they notice me and all look over at me and smile.
>>25392318That's a nice looking roof. I wish I had a home with a roof like that. I want the tower too.
piracy of all art is justified.a true artist makes their art with the goal of sharing it with as many people as possible.therefore, they should thank you for spending part of your finite time on this planet for even acknowledging its existence.
>>25398497>t. not an artist
>>25398630you don't have to be a artist to appreciate art retard
>>25398660Not the point at all you stupid fuck.
>>25398665I don't care if artists starve. I already got what I wanted from them.
>>25392318stop pirating, now!
>>25398684Thanks for reminding me of this guy and how he's still a blight on the Earth.
>>25398684Let me guess he's also a leftist socialist.
>>25398174when everyone who makes movies for money goes to fuck themselves and each other in a giant fuck party ill still be making ai movies on youtube with blackjack and hookers
>>25397996>innovationThis is insanity, literally everything that exists is an innovation, should you therefore require a state copyright license to be able to build your own toaster? to light a fire? to write words? to copy the mona lisa on your own canvas? to be able to do complex mathematics? You can't sell something you built with your own hands and intellect because someone else did it first?Intellectual property is aggressive, anti private property, anti-civilizational, anti-creative, anti-human destructive bullshit.
>>25398006Imagine taxing books, any government that does that you know hates the population.
>>25398435holy cringekino
>>25397936>vampire porn for obese cat ladies>>25398684>star wars expanded universe licenseepiracy isn’t going far enough, these people should have their homes broken into and valuables stolen
Iosip Stalinn would have execuded all of you.
>>25398715Why would socialists care about corporate profits
Is it true, about height and dating? Is it just demoralization/reading only the loud opinions? I'm barely 1.68cm. My dick isn't anything either. I'm not ugly-ugly nor fat but nothing special anyways. I was, before depression got me good, a kind of introverted but joking type with friends etc. - now I don't think I could play up that kind of part because sure as fuck I don't have the genuine version in me anymore. Sorry I just wan't to crush my skull because it's been 2 years of no pussy and for some reason today it's hitting me harder than usual.
>Reading books for free at the library:D>Reading books for free at home:(
>>25399597Corporations are state entities, that's why you never hear "the proletariat" socialists calling for ending corporate subsidies or bank bailouts.In fact the whole ideology of socialism is a meaningless idealess hammer for thugs and powerful people to use to gain more power and stolen money, nothing more than that.The whole idea that socialism is a real ideology or school of thought has collapsed a while ago and becomes more obvious every day. There is only totalitarianism and voluntarism, nothing else.
>>25398684All these bitches hate capitalism n shiet until socialism personally comes for them, then they’re wholesome contributors to society. Gotta love the petty bourgeois mindset.
>>25392318yes all modern slop is barely worthy of burning let alone buying
>>25392318Piracy is morally correct and should be encouraged Rich authors don't write good books or they stop writing
Lend one book one million times, no one bats an eye. Copy a few ones and zeroes and everyone loses their goddamned minds!
>>25398174people who do it for fun
>>25400591It's not about the book, it's about sending a message.
>>25400591yes>>25400613>>25392318piracy implies that you derive material sustenance (or monetary profit) from itthis is why a lot of cults have strict rules about not sharing their knowledge or (but) if you do, you must give it away for freethe other side of the coin is that if you wrote the book only for profit, nobody would care to "pirate" (as opposed to the variant without quote marks) it anywayit's an ethical debate and at the end of the day do what you feel at peace withbtw I've seen multiple authors giving interview on youtube, and were asked in the comments "I want to donate to you, where can I donate to you?" and the author said "I don't need donations, thank you, just buy my book"so that's that
>>25400623>sharing their knowledgesharing their teachingssorry
>>25400623You don't have the right to aggress against someone else’s private property, therefore, noone has the right to stop piracy, and everyone has the right to peacefully pirate, that's all.
>>25400632that's a debate concerning if profit (silver coins) derived from selling the book is the private property of the author & publisher or notwe are in agreement, I just included that point in my argument
>>25400651There's no debate, if they did it peacefully, it's their private property, if they did it with aggression, it's stolen goods. Simple as.
>>25400680>theft vs dispossession vs robbery>not a debate...
>>25392427Not if I rape them, they won't.
>>25392975Looks like Foucault
>>25395854>EifelheimBeen meaning to read that
>>25392318I pirate off Anna to make sure I'm not getting ripped off. Just because your kids need so do i, and if your book sucks I don't want to lose money and go hungry because you write low quality shit.
Here's a book for this thread
>>25400788
>>25400807Thanks
>>25400821if u'r already thanking me, watch the Captain Blood moviethey don't make them like they used to
>>25400608Do you ever go see these movies people just make for fun? Or just the ones they spend millions of dollars making
>>25400832not that anon, but have been banned enough times from /tv/ to say my opinionfirst of all, those movies people make fun of ARE the ones that were made for millions and promoted for equal amount of millioonssecond, I sometimes do watch them (at home, not at the cinema), and they are horrificthird, when I used to go to the cinema (gave up up because of the amount of drunk cave-dwellers rioting even at morning showings at expensive imax...) i've seen that most people arrive at the cinema AND THEN choose the movie... so they don't even care about what movie is itso even if that anon's "people do it for fun" reply was flippant, it's the cold hard truth... people making movies today (especially after the fat fuck was jailed... he at least knew what a good movie is) are just farting in your face and laughing about itthey don't even make the movies THEY want to see (that's a decent "do it for fun" and kept cinema alive in the 80s and 90s) but they do it out of spite
>>25400691It's either theft or not. Spare me your statist sophistry.
>>25400945>switching between "ideas are real" and "flatus vocis" when convenientweak
>>25392318It depends. We were discussing topic with friends, one thing lead to another and I ended up with this flowchart.Basically, I buy books, if I want to support author, publisher or just have a copy.
>>25392318I don't give a fuck, you faggot. I'll keep saving money pirating ebooks and audiobooks, and you'll keep seething.
>>25401594Basically this. I buy my books in English despite living in Turkey, and its extremely expensive for me sometimes so I have to pirate some, especially books regarding academia. But I do love having some cornerstone books on my shelf
>>25392318Yes, justified. Most of the books I read are from dead authors anyways, so the “supporting them” argument goes out the window. Most of the books I pirate are not books I would pay money for in the first place, so one book pirated is not equivalent to one less book sold. I buy many paper books a year so I am still supporting the publishing industry and booksellers. Many of the books I pirate I wouldn’t have otherwise discovered, and if I like one a lot I’m likely to buy a paper copy to have on my shelf. If pirating books is bad because it deprives the author of revenue, then lending books to friends, secondhand bookshops, and libraries are all bad for the same reason.Information wants and deserves to be free. Not only is piracy justified, I’d argue it’s morally virtuous. Book pirates preserve and disseminate texts that would otherwise die in obscurity. By distributing the storage of the books, we ensure their availability for future generations. Tell me which fat bitch lesbian author wrote the quote in OP so I can go pirate all her books and then delete them just because I can.
>>25395768If I copyright/call dibs on being the first person to make a burger with the cheese upside down, do you think I should be able to sue anyone else who decides to make a burger with upside down cheese too?
>>25401594I pretty much agree witht his, and most of what I read is from dead authors. Also piracy allows me to experiment and be more carefree about the books I choose.I do however wish more authors just set up a personal website where I can just pay whatever the fuck I want but 100% goes to them.
>>25402011there's reason you don't get to see copyrights on things like these irl
>>25399597I dunno, but they seem to get really angry when you say anything bad about the disney corporation. Or George Soros.
>>25402011>>25395768>>25394891those are not even relevant to copyright laws my niggers, but patent lawand patent law has provisions against trivial shit like this
piracy is justified. major publishers are using print on demand, selling hardcovers with glue bindings, bypassing any kind of basic proofreading using spellchecks only, charging $30-$40 for newer releases. authors are using ai to write their shit. fuck them.
>>25403015>bypassing any kind of basic proofreading using spellchecks only, charging $30-$40 for newer releases. authors are using ai to write their shit. what about those that don't?otherwise, yeah, I agree with you; I've seen the price of university textbooks in the USA (even second hand or "rental" ones) and while I don't live there, even in my shithole country you must pay out the equivalent of 30 dollars for a 200 page "state approved" high-school textbook full of grammar mistakes and clip art stolen from google images... every year, for like a dozen of coursesat the end of the day we must get our priorities straight: did that person write that book to be read (and hopefully derive enough money from it to live and write) or it's a novel method of extortion
>>25392318legal copyright originally only lasted 14 years. every extension has been thanks to lobbying by wealthy corporations they don't actually create anything. The general rule should be if it's less than 20 years old, support the author by buying the book. exceptions would be textbooks (they're all scams), low quality cash grab slop, and propaganda.
>>25398694A while back I ordered a book of short stories without knowing the contents. When it arrived I opened it, saw he had contributed a story, and returned it that same day.
>>25392318htf do you even pirate books? They're not napsters that you get online and put on an ipod.
>>25404577Why not, your weak fingers are too weak to scroll through a book line-by-line?
Kind-of related question, does anyone have good e-reader recommendations? Something I can easily put pdfs and epubs and files on without jumping through a hundred hoops, hacking it, or needing the official shopI heard around that kobo’s are pretty good so has anyone had experiences with them? Or has any other suggestion for a comfy e-reader for pirated files?
>>25392318If the author is stupid enough to use literally like that then he's not selling copies anyway.
