When you understand Kant you realize that your human understanding of Time leads you totally incapable of answering any of the questions you have about reality. You start thinking about Time constantly in the attempt to think the unthinkable. You start trying to comprehend incomprehensible, alternative conceptions of time and causality. You feel imprisoned by the pure intuitions and categories of your mind and spend day and night trying to transcend them by wrapping your head around concepts that don't yet exist. Yet at the same time you know that this is all the transcendental illusion, but also know that your knowledge that it is the transcendental illusion doesn't allow you to escape the transcendental illusion, and the you're doomed to constantly question existence while knowing it is unquestionable. Knowledge of the mind was supposed to allow you to limit its scope but the ideal of reason forces you against your will to use that knowledge in your quest to break that knowledge. You enter an unending quest to tear your own mind apart at the seams by conceiving the inconceivable and imagining the unimaginable, constantly pondering the questions that most philosophers just ignore.
>dude let murderers kill people you knowAll philosophers are fucking idiots
>>25399208Kant's ethics was how he avoided giving himself schizophrenia after writing the critique of pure reason. If you don't occupy your mind and artificially limit the range of its consciousness via some kind of religion or belief system then it will just slowly unravel after you read the Critique of Pure Reason as you get deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole of the transcendental illusion and trying to think the unthinkable.
>>25399224Whatever bro just let murderers kill people because it's le heckin bad to lie
>>25399204It's all metaphor breh. He's not talking about time but "time".
>>25399204so this was esoteric kantianism all alongthanks anon
>>25399304Esoteric Kantianism was and always has been a coping mechanism for the transcendental illusion. Most minds simply can’t bear the weight of knowing that their seeking is futile while also knowing that they cannot stop seeking so they revert to primitive metaphysics as a soporific and artificial limitation on consciousness.
hey guys i just bought the fichte book
>>25399320Esoterik Kantanon we summon you...
>>25399874sorry bros i was on twitter for a while but now i am back. no new developments on the system so far. reading meier.
>>25399204Unjustified idealist nonsense like this is easy to dismiss in hindsight his project was a failure. There’s simply no dreaming shit up like a transcendental ego, it’s all unjustifiable, language should not evolve through one sick persons madness either
>>25400126Kant refuted idealism. You must be thinking of Fichte.>dreaming shit up like a transcendental egoYeah, not Kant.
>>25400204Kant does have a transcendental ego. For Kant it's called transcendental unity of apperception.
>>25400220It doesn’t “dream” content into existence thoughever.
>>25399204currently reading Baumgarten's Metaphysics in preparation for this guyits satisfying to see all the ontological concepts i know get organized into a system
>>25400230what are you talking about?
>>25400248You know what the fuck I’m talking about
>>25400272no i don't. explain yourself right now.
All this philosopher IQ and yet unable to grasp or accept that philosophy is one of the most elaborate ways of fearing death.
>>25400300low iq post
>>25400307Philosophy works in a front parlor and nowhere else. It's a dick size competition for people who seldom use their dick and fucked three lexicons in the last 24 hours.
>>25400317copey cope
>>25400317Anon, philosophy provided the conceptual framework that underpins science, law, democracy, and daily decision making. We would be dogmatic beasts of burden without it.
>>25399204are you fichteanon?
>>25401020No, I’m that one guy who has made dozens of threads about Kant but no one recognizes me because I’m not a fucking narcissist psycho who got filtered by Kant and wants to appropriate his philosophy for their primitive metaphysics.
>>25401023are you calling fichte primitive metaphysics?
>>25401052Yes and so did Kant.
>>25401066read opus postumum right now
>>25399204is that a ChatGPT wall of text?I ain't a fan of Kant but you are mentally retarded
>>25401071>t. zoomtard
>>25401070Ok but if Kant actually does say anything that would seem to support Fichtean metaphysics (rather than you reading it into just as you read “esoteric kantianism” into the critique of pure reason) then it is only because Kant himself was still subject to the transcendental illusion and had a moment of weakness.
>>25401084what makes you think i'm the esoterik kantianism guy? what if i'm not?
Why is 4chan so goddamn funny?
>>25401096Probably because he’s the only one who posts screencaps of his own posts and is obsessed with the opus postumum
>>25401020>>25401023>>25401052>>25401066>>25401070>>25401084>>25401096>>25401115This one has been gamed out already. Kant and Fichte had a spat over primitive metaphysics, both had a point and both engaged in it. Fichte mostly had the distinct advantage of being able to link it back to the CPR if noumena are in any way thought to be known. >Kant and Fichte can both be summarily said to be engaging in elitism, obfuscationism, and both can claim they are trying to remove those from consideration. >this is analogous to saying you built the last unit on a line when the line can be extended indefinitely and a new last can be made which is a largely meaningless conjecture. >if the esoteric Kantian wants to claim esotericism due to Kant deriving from reason alone he is welcome to do so.>if the Fichte anon wants to claim esotericism of the not-I he is also welcome to do so.The Hegelian response to either is still standing and unchallenged. >if will is opted for instead of Geist then you are always welcome to claim whatever.>participants are inevitably reduced to I statements which can only convey a state of mind.>sollipsism is the end result everytime. Given the nature of most inquiries on here there is no way to test, there is nothing worthwhile, and Nietzsche/Descartes prevail everytime since Fichte and Schopenhauer can only ever reach equivalence by substitution of god with reality they are unable to advance past Nietzsche and Hegel.>Niether Kant, nor Hegel can ever account for the inherent resistance this is met with. If everything is esoteric then it's all trash. If all that can be salvaged is a claim as to who was closest to the intent of the original endeavor then whoever is advocating for who is ultimately reduced to a claim the Kantian philosophy is no longer needed, in which case this argument is meaningless as well.
>>25399204Is that what happened to the esoteric kantfag?
>>25401620I don’t actually agree with Kant’s system as a whole and his obsession with pure reason and apodictcally deriving everything. That led Kant to make statements that are now obviously false like that it is necessary that space has three dimensions. I think Kantianism should be reforged into an academic skepticism of the future.
>>25401662>thing-in-itselfism criticismAll the subsequent contributors took turns on this one. You sound like you're siding with Hegel. Outscepticing sceptics is an acceptable waste of time, I personally enjoy it and he also worked it out to a paradox where no substantive claim about it can be taken seriously as well as no substitutes which would entail knowing what it is, which is also impossible. Usually he meets equity with himself as a reflection of consciousness.>the mirror trick will always be cool, huge fan of the mirror trick.
>>25399204>think the unthinkable>conceiving the inconceivable>ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA
>>25401658indubitably
