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>1962
>old english
Time to nuke it all and start over.

>>25399949
>Pursues a course in literature
>Doesn't want to read
What's wrong with them? Are they retarded?

"Most educated" in modern america simply means "most brainwashed". Ayn Rand was right.

>>25399949
Ah yes the news said something bad so it must be true

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>>25399949
You start admitting unqualified students for reasons other than academic excellence, and you start to see a decline in the average competency of the student body. Could anyone have foreseen this?

>>25399949
And where are you from?

americans could save their country only if they elect an asian president

>>25399982
It's because he was confused by the nadsat lingo and probably wasn't smart enough to find the glossary in the back (if he was even reading a paper copy). All the lingo is obvious in context as well.
>>25399949
I hope these regular doom and gloom articles about illiterate college students keep getting published because they really stroke my ego. That one about bleak house being basically incomprehensible to some Kansans got me to read it, extremely enjoyable.

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>>25400004
When was the last time the amerimutt education system had anything to do with academic excellence? World War 1?

>struggling with A Clockwork Orange
>at Harvard
Harvard Middle School?

Insh'Allah Iran will nuke america and europe soon

>>25400032
>will nuke
With what? laymayoh

>>25400036
with a nuke

>>25399949
This kind of shit justifies NATO expansion

>>25400009
I'm not living under a chink.

>>25400023
>A rich businessman's son who got into Harvard thanks to his alumni father's donations
You would be shocked how many retards are enrolled in Ivy League schools.

>>25400032
Oh yes they are definitely going to launch their extremely limited supply of nukes across the ocean instead of hitting their most hated jewish adversaries 600km away

>>25400057
Only shocking if you're a clueluess moron this is basically babby's first kikepill

>>25400022
People say '60s.

>>25400009
a proper Tiger Mom Confucian Asian, not an Indian, not an ABC banana, and certainly not a Communist
get a San Franciscan who votes Republican and still spits on Dowager Cixi and Mao

schools in progressive areas stopped giving out failing grades, stopped penalizing late work, and pretty much do anything they can to give everyone A's. universities love to recruit from ghetto schools to diversify the student body, which theyve done for a long time, but now its harder to distinguish bad students from good students. many of the unis have made SAT optional and those that havent the admissions consider them racially biased. black kids score worse on SAT so the SAT is racist, of course.

>>25400086
SATs have been useless ever since they added the essay writing garbage which is completely subjective, it's like the college equivalent of an HR hag throwing out your resume for some bullshit

>>25399949
Social Media needs to be banned at some point

>>25400099
Doubt it. You look at some perfect SAT scorers and it's still who it should be: asians.

>>25400099
>>25400107
They mostly judged it based on how long it was and how neat the handwriting was lol. I don't think they do essays anymore though

>>25400099
>>25400107
the answer clearly is to adjust SAT scores for comparison purposes by eliminating however many points the essay component is worth

>>25399949
>humanities and social-"sciences"
KEEEEEK

>>25400081
The point is to fix the conservative kikery, not deepen anti meritocratic trends.

>>25400081
>america under confucian tutelage

>>25400164
>>25400165
Confucian values are the closest non-Christian values to Christian values, and hit all the areas where America needs dire reform
>honour thy father and mother
>go to the ant, sluggard
>get wisdom
>put a knife to thy throat

>>25400129
>>humanities and social-"sciences"
>KEEEEEK
Ironically this, and your reaction, shows that they had a value after all. Making people actually read the fucking texts well enough to answer a quiz and do some analysis, vs they never read shit and ask CGPT to write an essay.

>>25399949
People laughed at McLuhan but half a century later he was totally vindicated.

>>25400009
The US under Asian rule would probably be the closest thing to having an old stock upper class Anglo/Dutch president again. A new golden age would begin.

>>25399998
Elite universities being expensive, pay-to-play daycares for economic elites from across the globe are a consequence of Rand cultists occupying the highest levels of government for 50 years.
Harvard grads aren't "le brainwashed dood", they're funneled into positions of power because of their degree from an elite university.
Randism is the belief that it's desirable for elite institutions to be insular and for admissions be based on control of money rather than merit.

>>25400240
>even when it's socialist central planning authoritarianism that recreated the nomenklatura spetsmag system of the USSR, it's ackshually the fault of capitalists for joining the socialist system
American academia is overwhelmingly leftist

>>25400240
Next time you make sweeping claims try actually being familiar with the work of the person you are talking about.

nigger.

>>25400240
aren't there more straight-up marxists in leadership and teaching positions in american (and probably all other) universities than there are even the most milquetoast "conservatives" never mind actual right-wingers?

>>25400274
A survey recently showed that in American universities (not sure Ivy only or what other criteria), only the engineering and IT departments were about 50% self-admitted conservative. All other departments were majority blue, reaching 99% in the arts, languages and gender studies, of course.

>>25399949
School kills the enjoyment of learning anything. My love for reading started in middle school when I wanted to win a raffle at my local library. One book for one ticket. I didn't win that chocolate fountain but I did win in gaining knowledge.

>>25400297
Making kids attend more than a couple of days of school a week is unironically a crime against humanity.

>>25400301
How

>>25400274
Individual beliefs of teaching faculty are irrelevant when universities operate like hedge funds. Admissions become based on growing the university's endowment. Legacy admissions and foreign elites bring in more money than middle class prodigies, so the curriculum adjusts to maximize the admissions and get degrees in their hands regardless of merit.
>>25400256
Randism is the belief that those who can afford better hospitals, roads, police, firefighters etc. should get them. If John Galt wants to pay harvard $200,000 to get his shitbag kid a degree, he should be able to.

>>25400297
You're probably just stupid. A lot of people do fine with schooling.

>>25399949
I agree. There should be a more efficient way to intake knowledge other than reading

>>25399989
Only like 10% of students have a passion for what they study the rest of them are just doing it for the degree

>>25400311
There's no useful purpose to it and it harms them? Forcing children to sit still in rows of desks literally damages their brains. The purpose of the modern school system is literally to crush children's spirits so that they become obedient and unimaginative. That is what it was designed to do.

You need to know how to read/write and do math. That's it. You can do that in a few hours a week. I could read before I started school, without needing to be actively taught it, just from having books read to me by my parents, so even that is probably too much if your parents care about you. I learned English by playing video games. Even a lot of math progress is just brain development. You can't teach math to kids whose brains haven't matured enough yet, so you will see things like some kids lagging behind for months before their brains mature and then they will catch up on months of "teaching" instantly, so all those months were just wasted time spent on that kid.

Never mind other things, like how school teaches you that you're worthless by having you do worthless tasks for no reason (other than your teacher's praise), or the massive opportunity cost of having children doing this for years or indeed decades of their lives rather than having them do something useful that gives them meaning and purpose and, oh I don't know, money. Imagine spending several days a week both making money as a kid AND learning how to be a worthwhile person at the same time, instead of just being a pure burden, which can't just be played off as irrelevant - as if children aren't insightful enough to intuitively internalize this fact.

There are countless reasons why modern schooling should be a crime.

Let's parse the silliness of this >>25400280

First off, most people in academia would not simplify the world into a binary of conservative and liberal. Unless you are talking about how someone votes, it is very difficult to take the panoply of the human condition and reduce it to a binary.

Secondly, politics changes with condition. The condition of academia over the last 15 years supports voting for Democrats, not Republicans, who cut funding to schools. If you are looking to save your job, you might want to vote accordingly.

But more importantly is the temperament of those that enter STEM fields and those that enter the humanities. Those in STEM want singular static answers to specific questions for specific known needs that determine those questions: an almost perfect definition of a conservative, but also for those who, by life’s experience, have had enough of the vagaries of life, and want set answers.

Those in the humanities want to explore the dynamic, and search for new things to ask questions about: a pretty good definition of a liberal, but also attracts those that hate the status quo so much, they are willing to listen to any heterodox solution, even if historically it failed.

So we go back to the two statements at the beginning, and to why equivocating conservative or liberal voter with conservative or liberal mindset makes your study silly: A communist can be an authoritarian as a reaction to the authorities that oppressed them; while a conservative can simply be someone who prefers to work with things known to function properly, such as a liberal society.

These people may vote opposite of their temperament.

>>25400336
>Forcing children to sit still in rows of desks literally damages their brains.
Maybe they should have their desks in columns instead of rows

>>25400339
These studies are usually self-reports, and give results like self-reported marxists outnumbering self-reported moderate conservatives. Leftists probably outnumber actual rightists in universities by a thousand to one these days. Which obviously means that all the more "soft" disciplines (where, ironically, an even distribution is *most* important) are going to be worthless, since they're blind to their own biases and the fields are not rigorous enough to correct for it.
It's not coincidence that these character traits are as consistently present among the entire global population as they are; they've evolved to exist in compliment to each other. Remove half of the dynamic and you just get madness, i.e., modern academia.

>>25400280
>being in a liberal department
>not saying you're liberal even anonymously
it's suicide. these people quite literally want you dead or ruined for life if you're not liberal and they will do anyhing to make it happen
it's like painting a target on your head

academics are leftists for two reasons:
1) they live in incredibly insulated worlds. they probably will never have to interact with the 95th percentile black person.
2) hyperspecialization means they have no perspective or deep thinking about matters outside of their niche.

>>25400301
sorry you failed high school

>>25400321
>2050
>neuralink develops a method of uploading books directly into your brain
>you can now read upto 500 books per day
>reading epidemic is solved
can't wait bros

>>25400374
who the fuck are you talking to?

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>>25400393
That's a plausible enough thing to have happen to someone in your experience, is it?

>>25400403
No one directly, that's why I didn't put reply to a post, retard

>>25400414
it's not relevant to this thread
I suggest you post it here >>>/pol/

>>25400427
The political ideology of academia is very relevant to its decline in standards

>>25400022
American univeristies weren't ruined by 'the rich ruling class buying its way into elite colleges' given that they were always a place for said rich ruling class to educate their children.

>>25400336
This.

>>25400432
Begins with le Rockefellers. Hot dang.

>>25399949
And now we have LLMs.
Weird times indeed.

>>25400443
Right? The rich are foundational to the funding of these schools and they also give them their character and traditions. I'm also not convinced that on average they are dragging down the academics. It's the DEIs who dont give back and ruin the culture and academics.

>>25400209
I like McLuhan and people like Tocqueville but why should we Americans (roughly speaking for all us ITT) take outsider opinions at face value? We should be able to offer counter-critique.

>post a link to an article
>get no readers, generate no discussion
>post a screenshot of a paragraph from article
>the replies come pouring in
What does this suggest about the lit board's general attention span?

>>25400497
The thread with the article has 160 replies >>25391561

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>>25400319
You're on a board called Literature and this is your level of reading comprehension... I never said or even implied I did badly in school (I was very average ftr) just that it takes away the fun of learning. A lot of the time my motivation needed to come from outside sources. School made even things I wanted to learn about boring, like I was just going through the motions. Case in point, discovering a love of reading completely separated from a classroom.

>>25400339
>here are all the reasons why academics tend to be liberal faggots
>that's why you're wrong, they're not liberal faggots
>despite reporting that they are

>>25400352
>These studies are usually self-reports
I'm a bit tired of this particular criticism.
Yes, they are.
So are the vast majority of surveys.
It's a valid criticism, but so commonplace that it's not very insightful

>>25400367
Oh I agree.
But somehow the engineers managed it.

BTW I am a Dr. Phil. and I think that universities stopped publishing anything useful after about 2005, maybe 2010. When I publish, I reference 20th century material which I trust. Most of the papers of the past 2 decades are either biased or lack critical reasoning.

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>>25399949
I'm sorry, this sort of shit activates my berserk button. Professors "arbitrarily withholding information" by making you read a fucking book? If I had a student who said that to me I'd arrange for them to be tied to a post and whipped. What the fuck is wrong with Zoomers? Jesus Christ.

>>25399949
This is unsurprising. Ivory tower intellectuals are predisposed to think lived experience is useless and abstractions is sufficient to understand any material. (That's why the public hates intellectuals.) This is the same path as before, just dumber.

>>25400336
You're right, John Dewey pointed all this out, but there's a caveat: when you make school practical, about work, you end up reinforcing social structures. "Oh, you're no good at math and your family is poor? Time to take shop classes!" Instead of education raising the public up and exposing them to higher civilization, it manufactures a narrative to justify existing class divisions. Undesirables are cooled out.

>>25400187
Imagine being this retarded.

>the prussian model designed to create obedient passive cattle biological drones is falling apart in real time and nobody can stop it
Fucking finally.
Seethe all you want luddites but the entire schooling process could easily be assigned to an AI agent that adapts to the level of competence and interest/motivation of each student, something that a stupid old meat bag will never be able to do (hence the one size fits all cirruculum), there's no shortage of information anyway.
Schools should teach exclusively useful skills that people will use daily in their lives as well as promote creativity, soft skills, thinking outside the box and better social environments that promote growth.
Classes chopped into equal-sized blocks are not effective, grades are also not effective (countless studies show that by simply removing the grades the performance improves because there's less stress about the outcomes and less mnemonic study which is the opposite of true understanding as you are only expected to show that you know something in that moment, which is why people just cram the day before or cheat and pass anyway), passive lessons with zero involvment from students are also not effective. It's 18th century mentality that can't be applied to the inevitable future of automation and we only keep it this way because the infrastructure is just too damn expensive to abbandon (despite the infinite cuts to education budget every year).
Other countries like Finland are already experimenting with their education system because it simply can't continue on this path any longer, it doesn't work, it's inefficient and it's outdated by all standards.

>>25400497
What does it say about your ignorance of board culture? Posting links for OPs is fucking cancer.

>>25400022
Top American universities, particularly the ivies, have always been the birthright of this country's social elite, this is nothing new. The WASP aristocracy who funneled their children from boarding schools to Yale weren't any more meritocratic than the Hollywood nouveau riche are today.
At least in the past they weren't piping in ethnic mafias and the ghetto class in order to flood academia with ideological sleeper agents. They weaponized the ivory tower so they could further obfuscate the truth and destabilize our society. The common man has noticed and become resentful, so now they will throw out the baby with the bathwater.

>>25400036
Do some bathtub uranium enrichment and toss a dirty bomb at Tel Aviv

>>25400081
>You WILL do your daily Falun Gong calisthenics and you WILL like it

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>>25400107
>asians
The master rote learners. What these Asian tiger parents haven't figured out yet is that social skills and creativity is what really gives you success in America. For all the high scores in tests, as a group, they will never reach the heights Whites and Jews reach.

They absolutely kill the souls and creativity of these kids in childhood burying them in study, competitive hobbies and lack of playing with friends. These kids usually end up with the personality of a robot. College applications come around and they send their essays with the trademark Asian earnestness. "I'm applying to Harvard because my grandmother wants me to become a doctor and I'll be the first one in my family to be one." That application immediately gets thrown out and they think it's a giant conspiracy against them. Kek.

>>25400968
What great creative accomplishments are whites pursuing today? Minecraft worlds?

>>25399949
And to think: the American higher-ed system is universally rated the best in the world. So all of you browns must be wandering, blind and benighted, through an illimitable abyss.

>>25400989
not a rebuttal

>>25400968
too often true. most obvious in the realm of "classical" music. now very asian, very dry and uninspired. but a century ago it was certainly jews and wasps who wrapped themselves in the aesthetic to larp just the same.

>>25400989
Hold on, I'm almost done with my experimental 2,000 page ppst-post-modernist novel about how women ruin everything.

>>25400668
>you end up reinforcing social structures
Marxist ivory-tower academician bullshit

Nobody loves exams and studying more than the poor, because that's the best way they can get up the socioeconomic ladder
That was me, once

>>25400668
>"Oh, you're no good at math and your family is poor? Time to take shop classes!"
This is how a sane society works.

>>25401038
Probably

>>25401133
>Nobody loves exams and studying more than the poor, because that's the best way they can get up the socioeconomic ladder
Yes, that's what I just wrote.

>>25401138
>This is how a sane society works.
If we have democracy and we want to do it well, then we need an educated citizenry.

Obviously, some people are so slavish that they hate democracy and consider any reform or improvement a waste of time. Fortunately, the sort of person who hates freedom for others rarely practices it themselves, so it's easy to stomp in their face.

>>25401222
holocaust, slavery, holocaust, slavery, holocaust
no we will not talk about the Bible or the archaeological record of judaea or greece

>>25400240
>Elite universities being expensive, pay-to-play daycares for economic elites from across the globe are a consequence of Rand cultists occupying the highest levels of government for 50 years.
How dumb could you possibly be
Insane leftist ideologues are the result of ... Ayn Rand winning.

>>25400339
Putting this much effort into being so fucking wrong is just baffling
There are no conservatives in academia. None. There are certainly no Randians, anywhere.

>>25401222
You don't care about truth or freedom. Just look at the way you talk. just spitting out hateful anti-thoughts.

>>25401292
My life is so authentic and free it feels unreal. Ever day I read, spend time with my family or friends, and work on my side business. You could enjoy living in an open society too if you actually ever did anything.

>>25401311
That's great but you're still a deeply delusional retard who has no understanding of the world around him

>>25401321
Woah, cool it with those hateful anti-thoughts, please!

>>25400021
>nadsat
if you aren't completely retarded, even as a monolingual, you could probably figure out that those words are russian and look them up

>>25400367
based, i also want american "conservatives" dead

>>25400787
This

>>25399949
I read a Clockwork Orange in high school, was required to figure out the slang by myself and had no ChatGPT to help me

Now I feel smug. Lol

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>>25399949
This is a world-wide phenomena. Not an American issue. Most young people are borderline illiterate, they also can't do math for shit.

>>25399949
Where's the lie exactly? Reading is an unnecessarily burdensome way of acquiring knowledge. Where do you disagree with this statement?

>>25400332
A degree in literature is useless in the jobs market. Either you pursue it out of genuine interest in literature or you don't.

>>25401613
by this logic 100% of students should be studying CS or AI Prompt Engineering (real job title btw)
do you want educated people in different subjects or just slave robots ready for boring mindless factory/office wageslavery (known as "goying") work

>>25401613
Yes it's kinda useless but people will study literature/English/history because they think it's easy and will "get them a degree anyway"

>>25401599
>unnecessarily burdensome way of acquiring knowledge
trvke. literature is just youtube at 1 frame per minute. we're faster than that now grampa

>>25400056
guess what you lived under in 2008

>>25401604
He said this in a book mind you

>>25399989
They're American.