>Ayn Rand is insane, there's no way people like Ellsworth Toohey exi-
>>25399969Holy kek.These kind of people don't want anyone to prosper, they just want bring everyone down to their misery.
>>25399969Post daughter. (Both halves.)
>>25399969some literal who twitter guy said something, oh my god, this changes... EVERYTHING...
>>25400018Dugin is the Russian equivalent of Socrates, idiot
>>25400025he just shitposts uspol and putin-gets-owned-by-real-patriots.txt fanficso, literal who status: confirmed
>>25400025>Russian equivalent of SocratesI do agree he's a retard for calling him a literal who, but Dugin is hardly that. He's more of a Ben Shapiro.
>>25400025>Russian equivalent ofAgamemnon, perhaps
Something tells me Dugin wouldn’t lose any sleep if Russia successfully conquered Ukraine tomorrow.
>>25400031>>25400030>>25400027It was sarcasm...
>The very concept of the success is deeply immoral. If you are successful the other is a loser. We should succeed or fail together. Otherwise it is satanic.
zero posts even attempted at elaborating why he's wrong in their own words, yet they still decided to engage with the thread, peculiar
>>25400734This is a thread about the novel "The Fountainhead"
>>25400734denounce vishnu
>>25400734what can be said that hasn't been said a million times in the last 80 years? your attempt at an epic own is decades too late.
>>25399969Rand was insane, but she wasn't completely stupid.
>>25399969There are real people who are 10 times worse than Rand's most insufferable character, Rand was being conservative.
>>25399969It's ridiculous that a warmonger would say that, but how is the statement itself wrong?
>>25399969The main part of The Fountainhead that's retarded is that a man could go on a screed defending his personal vision while confessing to commitng an unreasonable crime and then get declared innocent by the jury.
Who would have guessed that a libertarian and a communist would disagree on how things should work?
>>25400025
>>25400734Because success is not a fixed-pie.
Russia is very advanced culture, you wouldn't understand.
>>25403373>But all of them were written some 150 years ago,and no people in the world speaks like they did over a century ago,right? unironically what the fuck happened to intellectual Russians?where are they now?
>>25403389the intelligentsia was shown to be completely impotent after the dissolution of the USSR. All the people who didn't want to follow the bullshit censorship left, everyone who stayed just published whatever they were allowed to. No one is gonna follow a spineless mouthpiece to lead a new country.
>>25403389They all got sent to gulags, that's why they have 100 different names for victim of homosexual rape in prison (gulag)
>>25401668Jury nullification, bro
>>25403430That would require a unanimous acquittal which just isn't happening in reality for this scenario.
>>25399996Congrats, you now understand the founding principle of the Soviet Union.
>>25403456It's the founding principle of all government.
>>25403373>Eskimo has thirty words for shades of white>French has a hundred for tastes>Italian for modulation in singing>Russian has a dictionnary for variations of male-on-male rapeJust
>>25399969>Ayn Rand is insane>is insane>"insane"Can we ban all TikTok-rotted zoomers from this board?
>>25399969Idk who this negroid is but he is absolutely correct. I too used to be an ambitious college kid who used to chase success and dream about "making it". Recently I've realised that it's all a result of alienated thinking. There is no such thing as a "self made" billionare because no person can do ANYTHING by himself. The idea that people can achieve success by themselves, outside of a given social context is absurd. On top of that "success" is a fake carrot that the elites dangle in front of us so they can extract the most they can from the best of us. Meritocracy is a lie and I have no reason to believe that ANY essential worker should have to "work their way up" inorder to lead a decent life. Even if it's a McD burger flipper. The commodification of labour itself is a tragedy.
>>25403779if more difficult jobs didn't pay more, what would incentivize people to do them?
>>25399969This is just the servile slav mentality that justifies 'suffering together' while the elites feast. The important part is just accepting your lot in life. They're not "successful" you see, they have a hideous burden to carry forward the great country and so also suffer (lel) in their dacha. This mentality never changed when the commies took over, only who the ruling elites were. The majority of the inbred hick tards also never change no matter what the system they're living in is. The important part is to be "apolitical" by just suffering through. Rationed gasoline, no problem. No food, no problem.
>>25399969>rand vs dugin2retardsfighting.jpg
>>25399969For this reason, Christianity is incompatible with 21st-century right-wing politics.
>>25403803What even IS a difficult job? People are not paid more primarily because they are doing something but because their labour sits on a certain position on the labour commodity market with high demand and low supply. The actual difficulty in doing that job could be one factor in determining that scarcity but it could also be artificial scarcity or systemic. As for incentives, that really depends on the baseline of the worker
>>25403842>*doing something difficult
>>25403779>>25403842>reddit spacing
>>25403936>>>/pol/
>>25403751Bait, but this is not how "is insane" is used in zoomer slang. In zoomer slang, "Ayn Rand is insane" would mean "Wow, it's remarkable that the topic of Ayn Rand came up in this situation," not "Ayn Rand is out of her mind."
>>25403842>As for incentives, that really depends on the baseline of the workerSo in an alternate economic system, every worker would get a different form of compensation depending on their baseline? Or there wouldn't be any compensation at all, people would just work because they want to?
>>25403842>What even IS a difficult job?Complicated engineering projects, some types of doctoring, air traffic controller. Anything where you have to hold a bunch of complicated, unintuitive shit in your head at once while mistakes have major consequences. A bunch of math-heavy disciplines are also difficult, because the math is just so unintuitive that catching all the things that can go wrong with them is really hard.Obviously, you would pay the people doing these jobs more than people doing other jobs, in order to attract the people who are really good at these jobs, so that you don't end up hiring a bunch of idiots who can't do them properly and so your bridges start collapsing, your patients start dying, and your plants start crashing. Or you spend millions on a bunch of studies that aren't just worthless (because they're wrong) but actively harmful since they misinform your decisions and make you make mistakes that you wouldn't even have made without them. Think of something like the soviets creating famines everywhere because they through lysenkoism was accurate. I'm sure we can all think of many contemporary examples as well. That's what happens when you give an idiot an important and difficult job.
>>25403953>So in an alternate economic system, every worker would get a different form of compensation depending on their baseline?Isn't that what we already have? In our current system effectiveness of incentives are already dependent on the baseline of the worker.
>>25404019Elaborate
>>25403979>Complicated engineering projects, some types of doctoring, air traffic controller. Anything where you have to hold a bunch of complicated, unintuitive shit in your head at once while mistakes have major consequences.A bunch of math-heavy disciplines are also difficult, because the math is just so unintuitive that catching all the things that can go wrong with them is really hard.I already covered this here;>The actual difficulty in doing that job could be one factor in determining that scarcity.>Obviously, you would pay the people doing these jobs more than people doing other jobs, in order to attract the people who are really good at these jobs, Yeah, that's what I meant by labour commodity market. Demand and supply determine market commodity price. >so that you don't end up hiring a bunch of idiots who can't do them properly and so your bridges start collapsing, your patients start dying, and your plants start crashingI am assuming that by a "bunch of idiots" you actually mean people who lack the education, skills or temperament to do a certain job. But that again brings us to my point about labour commodity market. I.e. the rarer the skill the more the price. Give me a market flooded with high math skills individuals as you put it, and I will give you engineers making minimum wage.
>>25403779>tragic life story of a ambitious young man ground down to a marxist nub by office culture; the post.If you stop celebrating success you stop celebrating life.
>>25404023Think about a risky construction job on a Dubai skyscrapper. The incentive you'd have to give to an American worker to take thay risk would be very different from the incentive offered to an Indian worker. In either case you can say that the difficulty of the job required higher pay as incentive but that pay is not fixed in an objective manner that depends entirely on the difficulty. At the end of the day, Class matters ALWAYS when it comes to labour market.
>>25404043It's not that I have stopped celebrating success but that my perspective has matured in regards to it. It's individual nature is an illusion. And I cannot pretend that money earned by using every trick possible to fuck over your employees is a valid definition of success for me anymore. Even though it would bring in the best measure of success in our world, that is money. I simply cannot be the same immature guy who thought that my success is something that emanates from some inherent thing inside me when it's really all just the labour of other people that brings me my commodities.
>>25400018>literal whoRetard.
>>25404211oh... oh wow, you mean you, a literal who, have heard of him, another literal who? this... this blows my MINDI looked him to appease you, confirmed he's a nobody, his only notable accomplishment is indirectly killing his daughter by switching cars and making her eat the car bomb that was intended for him. That's very funny and all, but I wouldn't say it's worthy of an entire Twitter account
>>25399969>bratan please bratan it's obviously just a complex metaphor bratan you got filtered just join my discord and i'll send you some .pdfs bratan
>>25404262Anon, it's ok you didn't know who he was but it's probably a good idea that you look someone up before imagining they're unimportant because you yourself haven't heard of them. Now, stop projecting and go learn something :)
>>25404047do you have an example where the labor pool is coming from the same country?
>>25404039>Yeah, that's what I meant by labour commodity market. Demand and supply determine market commodity pricewhy is that a tragedy then?
>>25403779Well if you want to fail on purpose don't say I told you so...This nigger's philosophy basically just boils down to "kill Anglo-Saxons" and agreeing with him would be akin to joining an organization called Japs For China.
>>25399969LOL WHO?
>>25404039literally anyone can do what a goldman sachs vice president of magic foursquares does. anyone.except you needs a pedigree to get in the door. then you need to smell and look like them so that they keep you in the club. supply and demand has nothing to do with it. difficulty has nothing to do with it. its pure adjacency to other high value tasks, trades, institutions and clients. Its pure hegemony of access.
>Be generous person >Used to be a brokie, now I'm trying to improve myself>Someone asks for money>I give it to them because I'm a generous person>Suddenly they want more money>Haven't done anything to improve themselves I'm starting to think Ayn Rand was right about some things. Being selfless is setting yourself up to be a mark.
>>25399969>there's no way people like Christ exi–
>>25404572I'm sure there are instances of that too but it doesn't have to it if labour pool coming from different countries already proves my point anyway.
>>25404788being a mark sets you up to be a markblack and white thinking sets you up to be a mark.be generous when you want and take care to keep your own concerns up front.its really not that hard.you dont need some fucking objectivist bullshit wannabe 'philosophy' to look out for yourself.idiot.
>>25404788Just played KOTOR 2, I see
>>25404573Dehumanisation. We pretend to ourselves that essential workers do not "deserve" to lead a decent life just because their skills are in high supply. That they must "climb out" in order to have their needs met. Which to me is absurd if their services are still essential to the system despite it's low skill bar.
>>25404637I did say in my post here>>25403842that the scarcity could be artificial or systemic. I'm sure the people at GS pretend to themselves that they are choosing the most "fit" men for the job. And the employees truly believe their work is unique.
Reminder, how ever much you think statists and socialists are evil, they are 100 times worse.
>>25400734Imagine thinking such an inane, vile, anti-human spiel needs a retort, you and those kinds of people simply need to be peacefully excommunicated from free society, we cannot allow you to attack and destroy all that is good.
>>25404809you didbut you rely on the notion of supply and demand, when it isnt supply and demand. it isnt even scarcity. Value is always greatest at the point of purchase, because valuing sale, exploitation in the act of exchange, over labor is the truth of capitalism i suppose, the secluded bundling of wealth together amongst those that have wealth is the true secret of value.
Rand has been proven right one way or another. Galt's Gulch will be built one way or another.
>>25404899>i have no point>I like taintswell said? i guess?
>>25399969How could a woman be so based?
