So he's just an Advaitin but resents Guenon and perennialism because it's socially right-wing and reactionary? I am skeptical that this is even a good reading of Bulgakov.
>>25400822the only good thing about DBH are his views on universalism that's it
>>25400831but even jihadists like Ibn Tamiyya are universalists
Why even continue to be a christfag if you have a heterodox take? The only thing going for christianity is institutional power.
>>25400932exactly. that's why i just converted to esoterik kantianism.
>>25400932That jesus guy was pretty baller
Is he a good writer? some of these interviews he's done with philosophy grifters on youtube are really fucking bad
>>25400981He writes exactly like how he interviews.
>>25400831rather based of you, anon.Yes it is disappointing to see a supposedly bright and capacious mind fall again (AGAIN) for liberal moralisms -- because perennial thinking is tied to Evola and Evola was rightwing?
>>25400923Good, Jihad is good and Islam is good too, its just that immigration causes fitna and destroys society>>25400988Universalism is good for the most part, but DBH just reads for the most part like a boomer who is self obsessed, and most DBH "fans" are insufferable left-Caths/Orthos
>>25400988That pic has utter bullshit right upfront though. I only know about Guenon because he was shilled non-stop here and elsewhere by people constantly seething about feminism, minorities, and leftism as paradigmatic evils. "Most people of that position" seem very much /pol/ or /pol/ adjacent.
>>25401011But he's not wrong. Outside of 4chan, Guenon is very much a quietist. He opposed anti-colonial movements. He really thought the best thing you could do is find a traditional order, get initiated, and live like an unknown. He really did not care about politics.
>>25401041"Did not care" isn't true. "Did not write about" is more correct. The degree to which he attempted to foment the creation of a Western elite, if at all, is unknown to us plebs, and after a certain point where he determined it was fruitless (and after his first wife's death), he went to Egypt.
>>25401011i think there is some use in taking this position, however perhaps this association between Guenon and muddied rightwing seething is a consequence of reading only commentary on 4chan?this said, it would be difficult to pare the culturewar from intellectual, intiational and ecclesial demonstration against the Modern World, secularism, technics, dysgenics, second vatican council, and so on
>>25401154and in Egypt he didn't advocate anything. He wanted people to stay out of politics and to not speak to him.
>>25400988nailed him>>25401011>I only know about Guenon because he was shilled non-stop here and elsewhere by people constantly seething about feminism, minorities, and leftism as paradigmatic evils.No, that was just mentally ill leftwingers projecting their own obsessions. Most Guenon threads are just people talking about metaphysics.>i think there is some use in taking this position, however perhaps this association between Guenon and muddied rightwing seething is a consequence of reading only commentary on 4chan?The deranged leftists on /lit/ who seethe about Guenon and Evola prefer to argue against strawmen of their creation
>>25401616I like the Evola threads. There's one anon who keeps engaging with the tards like they're misinformed and explains it over and over again in different language. It's a bit charming.
>>25401011The only thing political people can use from Guénon is his critique against modernity, but even then they'd be wrong (by guenonian standards) in their path. The only political movement one could somehow link indirectly to him would be the back to the land movements idealized by Lord Northbourne which are decentralized by nature.It's usually evolians who are vocal about politics and they misunderstand Guénon, giving him a bad name.
>>25400822Is this dude a serious theologian or just some pop-theology writer? His premises and ideas sound interesting, but the presentation of his books always look like they were made for dumb laypeople. I'm curious about him, but I also don’t want to waste my time with unserious slop.
>>25402197he is meh, a lot of his readers are insufferable
>>25400932christianity has not had institutional power for 400 years
>>25402197>but the presentation of his books always look like they were made for dumb laypeopleThey're really too ponderous and pretentious to be for lay people, although I can see why you'd think that.
no to DBH
>>25400988>>25401011>>25401041>>25401206>>25401616>>25401706Alright, first off, to the guy telling me I just hallucinated tons of Guenonfags regurgitating /pol/ talking points, fuck off with your gaslighting. I saw this on a daily basis across a variety of platforms.You don't even have to look far. Pic related is one of the biggest celebrity popularizers of the man.So, if Hart is making a claim about how he was received back then, maybe he is wrong, IDK. If the claim is about how he is popular today, it seems spot on.
>>25403515In case you missed it, it's the third one in where he name drops Guenon re "muh white genocide."
>>25403515>You don't even have to look far. Pic related is one of the biggest celebrity popularizers of the man.It’s widely agreed-upon that Dugin is not a straight-forward or accurate representation of Guenons thought but Guenon is just one of one several major influences for him including Heidegger and Nietzsche. His twitter posts do not show that you were not in fact hallucinating or engaging in juvenile strawmanning in past traditionalist threads on 4chan (a different website than X)
>>25403576Ah, the old:>"That's not real Nietzscheanism, real Nietzscheanism has never been tried!" just reapplied.
>>25403582A follower of Guenon wrote an entire book attacking Dugins philosophy as a subversion of Guenon’s view, its not controversial in the slightest to say Dugin is not a straight-forward representative of Guenon, moreover much of Dugin’s rhetoric at times is more leftist than most western leftist intellectuals.Anyways, you are actually just proving our point, that deranged retarded leftists just throw childish tantrums at traditionalism threads and fling shit to see what (appears to) stick without actually engaging with the core ideas, and that they don’t even honestly describe or characterize what they are trying to stick pins in but prefer to bicker by proxy.
>>25403515Because retarded Dugin uses Guenon to justify Russian foreign policy doesn't mean that Guenon was not fundamentally anti-political and quietist. His entire thing is to find annihilation through an integration into a traditional order, whereby you lose your identity and fuse into the larger system, which he would say is "pure metaphysics" and the anti-thesis of modern individuality. Guenon did not believe in changing the world. He thought you need to get initiated and just wait for the next cosmic cycle when things won't be degenerate anymore.
>>25403619>His entire thing is to find annihilation through an integration into a traditional order, whereby you lose your identity and fuse into the larger system, which he would say is "pure metaphysics" and the anti-thesis of modern individuality. Guenon did not believe in changing the world. He thought you need to get initiated and just wait for the next cosmic cycle when things won't be degenerate anymore.Sounds pretty retarded. I can see why elites would want to promote this amongst the restless plebs.
>>254036191) It would be much more accurate to say Guenon promotes people pursuing and attaining spiritual perfection through a purification of themselves, thereby separating or distinguishing what is essential about themselves or their soul from what is accidental and a distraction.2) He explicitly says one of the aims of his projects is to lead to a restoration of proper traditional metaphysical understanding among western elites which would have a top-down positive effect on society, although this is couched by the understanding that Yugas follow a certain set pattern, although there is some degree of freedom to affect things within this pattern and each individual Yuga has its own ups and downs; i.e. its good to guard oneself against negative effects of the modern age and to take reasonable action to improve things, although this should not be an end in itself, the only proper ultimate end in itself is spiritual perfection and final union with God/Absolute
>>25403515Dugin would, by guenonian standards, be labeled a satanist
>>25403728cope
>>25403942I simply corrected the unserious deliberate inaccuracies/misrepresentations in your post that was clearly motivated by some level of seething resentment at Guenon, very childish behavior, I view adult men who engage in that kind of behavior on online forums in discussions about serious intellectual/spiritual matters as being basically sub-human. It's more fitting of women or kids.
>>25404175Okay, if you think more people will become Guenonian because you said "purification" instead of "annihilation" then good for you.
