Which works from the communist canon have you actually read and where do you disagree with them?
The German Ideologydisagreement: atheism
>>25401762I read one chapter from the german ideology, one chapter from Marx’s critique of bakunin, one chapter from Lukasc’s history and class consciousness, one chapter from lenin’s state and revolution, a few articles by stalin, one chapter from mao’s book on contradiction, and probably some other random bullshit. Stalin seemed the most rational and least dogmatic to me. Historical materialism I broadly agree with but is taken too dogmatically. “Dialectics” as in Mao is straight up retarded idealist tier nonsense. The idea that class contradictions can be resolved via anything except a purely hypothetical post scarcity techno-utopia is retarded as humans will conquer and rule other humans whenever the opportunity arises. The State is also the most fundamental form of “class” conflict, not merely an organ of it or whatever. Chartalism is the correct economic theory and “value” doesn’t exist as such.
>>25401762On the jewish question. I'm not if I disagree with anything per se. Except maybe the stereotyping of the jews
I read the first chapter of The Capital and I don't disagree with anything. I'm in the middle of From Utopian Socialism to Scientific Socialism and so far I don't have anything to disagree with. Though it may not count as much as the more theoretical works.
>>25401762Ive read some Althusser aside from Marx, I think he denies agency in a normative rather than descriptive sense.
>>25401849So you disagree with the whole thing?
>>25401762Capital, vol. 1-3. I really liked the books, but volume 3 was pretty rough, volume 2 was pretty boring and significantly more difficult than volume 3 or 1, especially the last two chapters
>>25402028Just the part where the end where he starts rambling about jews. Kinda strange part in an otherwise phenomenal work.
>>25401762I have never read a single work by leftist and I never will. Leftists use words and arguments disingenuously, as weapons, intending to convert you to their anti-white cause. The best antidote towards this mind poison is simply not reading them and offering free helicopter rides instead.
>>25402134No thinks you are a brave gigachad for following your cult brainwashing by intentionally reinforcing your echo chamber. Fuck off back to xitter.
>>25402162You sound raped
>>25402175Not an argument.
>>25402007>appropriate digitsHe rejected notions of it entirely beyond verbal or written claims. You don't have any inherent concept of it, you basically are just born a subject and your actions are entirely socially driven. Theoretically once you form some kind recognition sequence with an ideology you develop the illusion of agency in the sense you believe you act autonomously. The apparatus involved is usually seeking to reinforce a dominant class interest. >this is where Althusser can quickly turn into an elitist or a sleeper.I don't remember the exact criterion he mentions but he goes from just about anything being an apparatus to roughly 4 or 5 that matter based on a practical litmus. He also intentionally frames his own return to the concrete as subjective. This was likely to avoid notable pitfalls at the time, but it also links identity to ideology. This argument has some extreme ramifications, like even complete luddites, isolated tribals, etc can still be viewed as extentions of the state. On one side this is a great equalizer and on the other it opens the door to secret agency since Althusser has basically now pinned this notion to even post capitalist states. >if althusser was right then you might want to learn to enjoy total isolation. >if althusser was wrong then he goes down alone.His extreme positions on this were likely to protect others while still allowing him to criticize policies and leadership, which he viewed as a threat in most cases. His ideas are still widely viewed with internal resistance and scepticism.
>>25401797Marx wasn't an atheist promoter. You misunderstood him. He said that atheism is useless, as it, in itself, doesn't lead to social transformation.
>>254017621844 manuscripts, critique of the Gotha program, on the origin of family, socialism, scientific and utopian, on the jewish question, the housing question (Engels), and Das Kapital volume 1, 2, 3. I agree with anything that Marx said, except that proles will most likely not take arms and overthrow the Capital with force. Instea, the 21st century will be a long decay of Capitalism, crumbling under it's contradiction valorization/ devalorization, and solutions will be found progressively to morph the mode of production into one that is not based on surplus value accumulation. If i had to make an intuitive guess, i would say that the economy in 50 years will be a giant monopoly with loosers, winners, but not necessary two distinct class like we have today, or the distinction will go to fade progressively.
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>>25402134Based. Lenin was quite open about lying and propagandising as revolutionary strategies. It's astonishing that some retards still buy into them. Retards gonna retard, I guess.
>>25402134>>25402466>What the point of even reading authors, when we know in advance that their thesis is invalid.
>>25402134you are a capitalist-defending, bootlicking loser who brandishes the ideology of those far wealthier than you, who exploit you daily in countless ways you can't fathom, all whilst shunning with prejudice the plights of your brown and trans neighbors, with economic positions nearly identical to your own
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>>25402535Churchill also bragged about being a liar. "The truth needs a bodyguard of lies!" Literally psychopathic. Peak democracy right there.
>>25402429the idea that religion is a by product of superstructure is inherently a promotion of atheism
I've read (most of) Capital and a spattering of other Marxist works (political economy degree) but I just think on a philosophical level hierarchy is good
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>>25402611Reddit
I really need to re-read the dual edition of Wage Labour and Capital/Value, Price, and Profit. Other than that all I've read is Bottomore's collection (Early Writings) that includes his Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts, the Introduction to his critique of the Philosophy of Right, and On the Jewish Question. I want to read more of his stuff but I get sidetracked by other shit. Pretty sure if I wanted to start over again I'd stuck with pic related for a while.
>>25402134UH OH ANONUH OH
>>25402162Literally the same thing applies to 21st century Twitter commies that call for the death of capitalism from their iPhone wearing che Guevara shirt drinking onions latte in Starbucks.
>>25402611Good that communism has great record of respecting the human value and sharing surplus values appropriately without any favoritism and everybody lived happily every after
>>25403001dont be a bitch. you got a reasonable answer.
>>25402134anon lit says "im racist and cant be bothered with facts"you dont belong in a democracy, anon
>>25403139What sort of a retard voluntarily consumes propaganda?Oh yeah, you I guess ...
>>25403283youre not clever.kinda dumb really
>>25403004thinking that humans have some intrinsic 'value' is liberal ideology par excellence and communism is not about sharing surplus value appropriately but abolishing value entirely.
>>25403364Haha alright man...
>>25403365glad to enlighten a fellow retard
Why did peak USSR still have currency, department stores, and homes of varying sizes? Shouldn’t everyone have gotten boxes of the exact same stuff delivered to their identical tenement blocks on a weekly basis?
>>25403364bruh most commies were historically some schizo technocrats and most of them still are>and communism is not about sharing surplus value appropriately but abolishing value entirely.in theory, in practice you will at best pay for your groceries and taxes with labor vouchers, at worst you will starve in a mass grave
I never see any communists discuss race realism. This seems like an important topic if you're going to try and segment people based on wants and needs or otherwise put them into roles. One would think it didn't come up because these guys lived in Germany and Russia prior to the turn of the millennium, but I believe enough variations of euro and slant exist in those places to make Karl notice something along the lines of "slavs and slants work hard, yet these romani and jews do not; in fact all they appear to do is steal or scam" since he's meant to be observant..Yet this never seems to come up and never seems to have happened. This tells me the communists either didn't think very hard at all, or deliberately ignored it because their talk of classes had a goal distinct from the bare truth.
>>25403414Historical materialism debunks race realism and leftist academics constantly talk about it. If right wing retards didn’t constantly push race “realism” then it would be a non issue because of how obviously wrong it is.
>>25403414Bordiga has a whole book about ithttps://libcom.org/article/factors-race-and-nation-marxist-theory-amadeo-bordiga
>>25401762>all of them>none of them
>>25403437>Historical materialism debunks race realismLol. Fucking idiot. Go ahead and send your White kid to a 90%+ nigger school and get back to me about how race realism is “obviously wrong”. The only people who say shit like this are people who have lived in upscale predominately White communities their whole lives or whose primary basis for other races are what their subconscious has been conditioned with by jewish media. Want to know who takes race realism very seriously? Leftist Blacks. You going to say they’re retards too?
>>25403599Blah blah blah. Same surface-level bullshit I’ve heard a thousand times. Think deeper.
>>25403623>blah blah blahSo you have no rebuttal. Imagine that.
Can you really take communists seriously when OP looks like this?
>>25403758please discuss the literature at hand. no one's asking you to change your opinion.
>>25403781>Please discuss my fantasiesWhy don't you get off your lazy ass and read history book about the failures of communism in practice instead wasting time with useless eruditionAnd get a job while you're at it, faggot
>>25403004What do you mean by 'hierarchy'? Even in a fully communist society there would be natural hierarchies of age, ability and intelligence that determine the types of labor one is able to do.
>>25403799Basically admitting that communism is just a really inefficient way of re-inventing the with loads more deaths and famines doesn't put much confidence in your idealogy
>>25403758back in 2016 it was so much worse, I was the only one at my Unis socialist club that wanted strong families, against mass immigration, anti-lgbt, but also wanted health care, mental health care, liveable wages, affordable housing. It was me and some Albanian guy that was it and we got kicked out.
>>25403599the nigger was created by the bourgeioise
>>25403292>dumbest response everLOL
>>25403857Then why are they less likely to be racist than the lower classes?
>>25403781Anti-communists on this board are fundamentally incapable of discussing the topic at hand. They are mentally retarded uneducated illiterate American hillbilly rightoids who spend their entire day shitposting on /pol/. Like look at this retard >>25403811We know for a fact that this caveman will start bleeting FAMINES DEATHS like a typical mmuttmerican sheep when his brain is overwhelmed by basic logical arguments. There is NO valid response for why the resources of a nation shouldn't be owned by its people. There is NO valid response for why everyone must continue to suffer under wage-slavery instead of controlling their own work democratically. And because they don't have any response they will continue bleeting
>>25403868Nobody is reading your posts bro.Nobody cares what you think.
>Crashing out because people on /lit/ don't fellatio North Korea and the Soviet UnionOkay Mr Reddit University
>>25403791the supposed failures of communism of the past doesnt make the criticisms of capitalism any less valid.
>>25403901It kinda does when we live in the real world, have to bills to pay, have families to raise and systems have to be judged on their results
>anti-communist>/Pol/tard>doesn't like reading words>On /lit/
>Mr. Reddit University>Loves communism, doesn't like working>On /lit/ all day shilling Marxism off government benefitsA day ends in y
>>25403811No, not really. Human beings are not equal in their abilities, some people make great mechanics but couldn't handle physics. Someone in a wheelchair might make a great librarian but a lousy postman. Nobody should be subjected to a greater degree of exploitation because of their capacity to only perform certain types of labor. Some people might choose simple labor with low hours like cafeteria work because they prefer to only work enough to live, others might pour their entire being into laboring as doctors or researchers. Regardless they would be compensated for the hours of their life they work and not what the market decides to allocate.
>>25401762https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Russian_chauvinismGreat Russian Chauvinism - it’s pretty much the anti-white racism of the 1920s. The idea that minority groups existing inside Russia and using Russian languahe and culture is racist… sameBozos from 2026 call white peole racist
>>25403901Lol never give in to this "muh failures of communism" bullshit. Communists managed to achieve better food security, housing and universal healthcare in every nation they ruled compared to whatever system that came before them. Even these rightoid faggots should be thankful that due to the threat of communism , the elites throw a good piece of morsel their way. Frankly I'd prefer that complete unhindered Capitalism be implemented and these niggers be forced to live in Mumbai slum conditions. But alas! we live in a world with socialist activity and therefore these troglodytes are allowed to live a better life than they ever deserved.
>>25403908the fact people struggle to pay bills shouldnt be explained or criticized because of a famine in 1930s Ukraine? That's a sensible position to have?
Itsy funny how the anti-communist has to make stuff up about us as "non-working" but we can legitimately stereotype that creature as n illiterate retard because he demonstrates his mental dysfunction on this very thread, evidenced by his very words.
>>25403922>Regardless they would be compensated for the hours of their life they work and not what the market decides to allocate.That's what already happens now. Markets aren't simply a nebulous concept, as you believe, they're the sum of people and human relations within any given society. Your argument makes even less sense because the Soviets, and later the Chinese, recognized that markets were absolutely necessary for efficient allocation. You're essentially saying idealistic trite, no different than your previous point.
>>25403929>Communists managed to achieve better food security, housing and universal healthcare in every nation they ruled compared to whatever system that came before them. If this was true, the revolutions of 1989 would have never happened, nor would have Russia, China or Vietnam switched to market economies.>>25403931You're solution to solve the problem is just to kill people, like you did in Ukraine, China and Ethiopia and cover it up so people don't find out until decades later.
>>25403945no 'my' solution involves a revolutionary change in mode of production. Also i didnt kill anybody in those countries, please take your medication before posting.
>>25403956Causing famines and shortages of basic consumer goods is not a revolutionary concept dudeBesides, you're most likely a stupid ass zoomer anyways going through a phase because you spend too much time on the Tiky-TokA few years later, you'll be a 09A nazi or some other larper shit
>>25403945>If this was true, the revolutions of 1989 would have never happened, nor would have Russia, China or Vietnam switched to market economies.Bad logical reasoning. As expected tbqh. The revolutions do not preclude the objective fact that I have stated from being true.
>>25403956Ahh yes, the bloodless revolution. I’m sure everyone accustomed to and deeply embedded in their current economic systems will happily stand out of the way and let you change things.
>>25403960>Communist countries were totally doing very well, that's why they had to collapseLOL
>>25403958i am marxist because i read marx' criticism of the commodity form and agreed with it>>25403961nobody said it would be bloodless, i was objecting to the schizo that thinks killing is the goal of revolution
>>25403939>Markets aren't simply a nebulous concept, as you believe, they're the sum of people and human relations within any given society.Not really, there's a class with disproportionate influence over the affairs of the market. You can say they deserve to be there or that their control of capital is a reflection of their virtue and honor, but Marx's concept of exploitation is a description of a real phenomenon. People outside of that class are forced to engage with the market by selling their labor time for less than the profit the employer receives from it.I'd argue that Cockshott & Machover make a strong case that markets are not magic and centrally planning most of the economy is possible and desirable in an age of computers.
>Cuba's energy grid collapsing a couple of days ago isn't proof they aren't doing better than everyoneVery true>>25403970You're a Marxist you are naive college student with no kids, no family, no car or any real responsibilitiesYou play too many video games and don't go outside often
>>25403973holy mother of projectiontake. your. meds.
>>25403972>there's a class with disproportionate influence over the affairs of the market.The "class" in question being the consumer. It's just supply demand. You're giving off real failson, narcissism vibes that you honestly believe you understand systems better than the millions of people who interact with it every day.
>>25403969>Shifting goalpostsAlso expected. One simply cannot expect intellectual honesty from an internet anti-communists. Notice how he shifts from "communism did not bring better healthcare, housing and food security from what preceded it" to "everything was not going well in communist countries" The anti-communist has to engage in this trick of intellectual dishonesty because he cannot admit that communism was objectively better than what existed before communism and so he must point to it's collapse. The funny thing is he cannot be demonstrate that what succeeded the collpse was actually better than communism. This is a clear cut example of "thought ending argument". Any Marxist logic is made just say "lol that one historical instance of communism collapsed" and in the troglodyte mind you are free from making actual counters or using logic against Marxism.
>>25403972>I'd argue that Cockshott & Machover make a strong case that markets are not magic and centrally planning most of the economy is possible and desirable in an age of computers.This is especially stupid to believe considering modern economic problems are often a result of governments employing bad foreign and domestic economic policies. Planning is solution in search of a problem that doesn't exist.
>>25403978the consumer decides what gets produced? not *the producer*?
>>25403986>Communism totally worked>That's why no communist exists todayYep
>>25403991Walmart and Amazon do exist because people buy stuff thereToys R Us and Blockbuster stopped existing because people did not buy things from there
>>25403992>Still not explicitly denying that communism improved lives compared to the systems it replaced (and in many cases got supplanted)I accept you humiliating surrender.
>>25403996I don't think internet arguments are going to reverse the realities of the revolutions of 1989 by dude, or make your dreams of being a woman any more true my dude
>>25403994so? if someone else had covered toys r us' operating costs, they could've stayed open indefinitely, no consumers needed. as constantly happens today. microsoft famously just laid off huge amounts of people, because almost their whole games division was being propped up just by minecraft profits. or you have wizards of the coast taking huge losses on everything they produce, because magic the gathering profits is allowing them to prop up undesirable products. the consumer's desires obviously do not influence what's being produced in these cases. or you can look at even more extreme cases, with something like command economies, where whole economies will mass-produce garbage that nobody wants only for it to be left to rot in massive warehouses, because some idiot in the central bureaucracy decided that this is what the economy needs to produce completely independent of the consumer's desires or input or anything else.
>>25403994riveting analysis
>>25404007>so? if someone else had covered toys r us' operating costs, they could've stayed open indefinitely, Yeah, by meeting the demands of the consumer. There is no scenario, in your example, where consumer demand would not be the determining factor.
>>25404001>>Still not explicitly denying that communism improved lives compared to the systems it replaced (and in many cases got supplanted by)Alright alright. You don't have to lick my boots to surrender. Just bowing and accepting defeat, as you did the first time was fine.
>>25403978You're just mystifying the actual dynamics here. Did the "consumers" who lose their job when a factory gets moved to Mexico make the decision to emmiserate themselves? A capitalist made the decision to do it in order to stay profitable. One obviously has less to lose and has more individual control over the decision. One is trying to avoid losing access to capital, the others are trying to feed their families. But they're all "consumers", so it doesn't matter o algo.>>25403988The "good" economic policies you're talking about are usually austerity to appease the needs of international capitalist institutions like the IMF. If the purpose of a country is to provide for its citizens then gutting public services is not a "good" policy even if the IMF wants it to happen, many smaller countries have very little agency anyway.
>>25404010even in the extreme case where meeting consumer demand is the only thing that matters (obviously isn't close to always the case), it's still not the consumer that decides what gets produced. the producer decides what gets produced and then they either succeed or fail based on what they THOUGHT the consumer wanted. it's still not the consumer making any decisions, though they do cause who gets selected out of the economy or not. not that that even happens a lot of the time, with failing businesses constantly being propped up by things like taxpayer money, where the government literally comes to your house and steals your money to give to people who you (the consumer) would never give it to so that they can keep producing shit you don't want.
>>25404014>Did the "consumers" who lose their job when a factory gets moved to MexicoI just can't imagine being stupid to enough to think everyone works in a factory, or that people don't change or find new jobs all the time.
>>25404016>it's still not the consumer that decides what gets produced.But it does. We don't produce oil and ram because nobody wants it.
>>25404014>The "good" economic policies you're talking about are usually austerity to appease the needs of international capitalist institutions like the IMFThe good policies tend to be the ones that progressives, Marxists, leftists dislike, like putting career black criminals away, having safe public transit, not implementing price controls, spending money USAID, not giving black people reparations for slavery, and restricting immigration.
and not banning fracking or nuclear energy
>>25404018Is being forced to uproot yourself and your family every couple of years by the market while your boss buys his third home a desirable way to organize society? I'd argue no, but this is ultimately a matter of perspective.
>>25403909>>25403920Now kiss.
>>25404018and if they can't find a capitalist to sell themselves to they become destitute since nobody can build up a reserve from factory work.. wage labour is fantastic, really the best of all possible worlds.
>>25404031>Is being forced to uproot yourself and your family every couple of years by the market If you think factory jobs are the only jobs that exist in your area, you're just stupid or retardedAlso plenty of people either work from home or start a business
>>25404033Jobs are hiring all the time, its nearly impossible not to find work unless you're actually disabled
>>25404031Its rather telling you think finding a job is hard, something most non-retarded people can do with ease with access to a fucking phone nowadays, but want a revolution
>>25404036plenty of jobs around for laid-off fifty-year-olds with arthritic hands and knees lmao
>>25404053My grandfather still works, plenty of old people do because its healthy to move and its boring to sit at home all dayThe elder guy I see at walmart sitting down and greeting people all day isn't struggling, he's pretty actually
>>25404053Trump is president of the United StatesAnd the fact that he's more productive than you is pretty damning
>>25404061Premier comrade Trump has taken an equity stake in the company known as IBM for the government. Most productive socialist president in American history.
>>25404031I think temporary job seeking under capitalism is better than a communist forcing people off their land to starve to death on communal farms in the Siberian country side is better, but you do you I guess
>>25404069Socialists being too stupid to realize that stocks and index funds make a lot of their arguments about the means of production and exploitation moot is a self own if anything
>>25404069>>25404081Imagine your entire ideology being mogged by a guy like this
>>25404088Imagine trying to claim a company that has received more direct funds from the government than the private sector is in any way, shape, or form nothing less than the greatest selfmog I've seen yet. By all means, bask in your socialist glory.
>>25404074There's no such thing as an anti-communist argument without a bit of 80iq snarky dishonesty is there? Of course they wouldn't have to resort to CIA meme-speak if they had good arguments against communism
>>25404088Yeah… this guy should be selling tacos and his wife should be cleaning toilets. I wouldn’t hold this up as a victory for capitalism.
>>25404100The government paying private companies to do things it can't do is good, actually
>>25404110You are genuinely a retard or perhaps a complete zoomer if you don't know what NASA was for. Go ask a venerable boomer about the last socialist push to put things in space and learn the tribal boom speak of the older socialists.
>>25404110>things it can't do Lmao is this negroid kidding me.
>>25404106If it was socialism, it wouldn't exist, because Trump would have been like Stalin & shot everyone there for being fascist spies instead of paying them for their good work
>>25404088why do you think a welder making a lot money is an argument against communism?
>>25404114NASA required the help of Boeing, Chrysler to even to get to space, and still relies on SpaceX to even launch satellitesBut then again, you're one of those people who haven't read Marx either, and think socialism is when the government does stuff, so, even your default premise is wrong lmao
>>25404125Because under communism, people like him are on rafts from Cuba to Miami.
>>25404127cuba is capitalist
>>25404129It wasn't real socialism, we know
>>25404126You're one of those people who doesn't know what capitalism was, and never lived during it. You never had a premise. It took Chrysler 12 years or so to relinquish government equity so it could be turned over to foreign companies. Boeing still needs the government for almost a fifth or so of it's revenue and also needs the government to manage some of it's assembly lines. Once again, bask in your socialist glory little zoom.
>>25404051The fact that you can't understand why someone would care about something unless it affects them directly is a sign that you are deeply retarded. It's not dissimilar to the Israeli concept of 'Frieren' where those who are capable of altruism or have convictions beyond their narrow individual/family life are shunned. The result of a society that believes these things (not coincidentally these are fundamental beliefs of the post-neoliberal rightoid) is worshipping mass shooters and raping prisoners with dogs. Anyway Marx addresses the issue of unemployment with his concept of the reserve army of labor.
>>25404134why mention it then
>>25404136Capitalism is why you're talking to me right now, why you have a steam account, and why you have an internet connection.You don't see socialists producing anything but complaints on 4chan and X.
>>25404137The fact you think normal people respect your opinion is telling. You're a terminally online loser and a nobody.
I haven't read a word of Marx, he just looks too swarthy to trust desu
>>25404137The fact that you think that Marx, a guy who never worked a day in his life, never held government office or managed economic policy, had viable fiances, never had a degree in economics, or managed a business can tell us anything about any of those subjects is rather telling how stupid you are lmao
>>25404154People can perfectly well make correct judgements about something without being directly involved with it, what a bizarre post. Marx owned a business, stocks, operated Europe's largest union and had a job btw
>>25404165If he made correct judgements, he wouldn't have died in utter poverty, beg people his whole life, or cheat on his wife and drive his kids to suicide
>>25404141At this point it's not worth mentioning the internet was funded by the government. Return to your influencer worship. May you and your zoomer brethren grow weary of the social media cesspits and return to some semblance of human society. Time's up on all of this.
>>25404172Influence worship is the only reason you support sending money to Ukraine, transgenderism and socialism dudeYou're just throwing stones from a glass house
>>25404167you can still make correct judgements even if your life is in complete shambles. you operate on a completely retarded logic>died in utter povertyhe didnt>beg people his whole lifefair>cheat on his wifewho cares>drive his kids to suicidemeds
>>25404184>Abusing women is based according to leftistsHow did that work out for your boy Platner
>>25404197>>Abusing women is based according to leftistshow the fuck do you come to this conclusion from my post you mentally ill faggot lmaoanyways his wife and daughters loved him till the end. cope&seethe
>>25403878no, we are.youre stilla cunt tho
Labor has no intrinsic value unless it’s organized to do something useful. If you eliminate the incentive to administrate, the whole system comes toppling down.
>>25404444all labor has intrinsic value you dumb twat.
>>25404444>>25404612There is no such thing as intrinsic value.Value is a belief system.
'Value' is a social relation between people or between classes if you like, that appears to us as a real property of things. See the section on commodity fetishism in chapter 1 of Capital.
>>25403868>There is NO valid response for why the resources of a nation shouldn't be owned by its people. There is NO valid response for why everyone must continue to suffer under wage-slavery instead of controlling their own work democratically.This is the case in the Volksgemeinschaft though, which is centred around an organic community with an essential common identity, unlike that of the artificial notion of the 'international proletariat' cooked up by a 19th-century jewish NEET, along with any other ideology that sees human groups as interchangeable economic units of consumption and production and nothing greater.The high-trust society necessary for labour organisation can only be achieved through ethnic homogeneity. Moving ethnic groups from their homelands to other parts of the empire has been a dividing tactic for milennia and we can still see the same principle in effect today when niggers broke up the 'workers paradise' of CHAZ in Seattle. Retards like >>25403437 are going to sink your gay LARP before it ever gets off the ground.
>>25404936Substantially refute the claim instead of copy pasting abridged ideology, you retard.
>>25404965What claim?
>>25404932you seem not to value yourself.while thats really a (You) problem, your stupid lack of self worth is fucking shit up for other people.my finite time and quality of existence matter. this is one root of value. its also called class consciousness. christ cucks might call it the golden rule. if libertariantards believe in some sort of rights without the state, theyd best believe in this.
>>25405014yet somehow I don't value your time and quality of existence
