I've always wondered why Nietzsche never "hit" me like he seemed to compel other people in my other demographic. I'm an atheist, former Christian who doesn't believe in morality, appreciator of Max Stirner, Epicurus, and even Spinoza in my day. So why do I feel bored when reading Nietzsche, and overwhelmed with the sense that he is trying too hard? He has always seemed simply a windbag to me.Today I realized why I don't care for Nietzsche. It's because he's a spiritual cuck. The reason Nietzsche is obsessed with Aristocracy, the Overman, and the Transvaluation of all Values, is because he wants someone else to do these things so that he can follow them. When Nietzsche describes the structure of his ideal Aristocracy, he is actually imagining HIMSELF as the plebeian, the peasant who devotes himself to the higher man. He imagines himself as Zarathustra, not the Overman but the guy who ushers in the Overman. The Overman himself is a homoerotic fantasy wherein Nietzsche seeks to give himself and all his fellow peasants "meaning" by allowing them to devote themselves to a higher man who doesn't even exist. He was so starved for someone to cuck himself to that he literally invented the fantasy of the "Overman", someone who will appear in the future and be the new Jesus Christ for the poor pious Lutheran child who read Kant and realized Jesus never did all those miracles after all. Stirner is the opposite of Nietzsche. Stirner has based himself on "nothing", i.e. on his own self, which is so ambiguous and ever changing as to be ungraspable conceptually, Stirner's self is something that cannot be turned into an idol to be worshiped because of its creative, ephemeral nature. Nietzsche on the other hand is constantly inventing idols and ideals for him to worship. He is the opposite of a "Free Spirit."
>>25404070this is without a doubt the dumbest take on nietzsche i've heard so far. have you tried reading the actual books?
>>25404097Here we have the Nietzsche follower, his “kindred spirit”, doubly a cuck in choosing to worship a cuck, eternally condemned to search for deeper meaning in the fantasies of a BDSM sub.
>>25404102the reason you don't 'appreciate' nietzsche is quite simply because youre stupid.you 'like' max stirner because he's the wikipedia version of what you thought nietzsche would be. try reading might is right. it's literally the same shit. that's not the reason people like nietzsche. they like him because he is profound. because his psychological insight is unrivaled. not because 'he doesn't believe in morality'. the problem for you is that your little pea-brain can't actually engage with the topics nietzsche writes about, so you find him boring. that's fine. you're a spiritual hottentot.
>>25404070>he reason Nietzsche is obsessed with>the Overman"Ah, there are so many things betwixt heaven and earth of which only the poets have dreamed!And especially above the heavens: for all Gods are poet-symbolisations, poet-sophistications!Verily, ever are we drawn aloft—that is, to the realm of the clouds: on these do we set our gaudy puppets, and then call them Gods and Supermen:—Are not they light enough for those chairs!—all these Gods and Supermen?—Ah, how I am weary of all the inadequate that is insisted on as actual! Ah, how I am weary of the poets!">because he wants someone else to do these things so that he can follow them"And I wept and trembled like a child, and said: “Ah, I would indeed, but how can I do it! Exempt me only from this! It is beyond my power!”Then was there again spoken unto me without voice: “What matter about thyself, Zarathustra! Speak thy word, and succumb!”<...>Knowest thou not who is most needed by all? He who commandeth great things.To execute great things is difficult: but the more difficult task is to command great things.This is thy most unpardonable obstinacy: thou hast the power, and thou wilt not rule.”—And I answered: “I lack the lion’s voice for all commanding.”Then was there again spoken unto me as a whispering: “It is the stillest words which bring the storm. Thoughts that come with doves’ footsteps guide the world.O Zarathustra, thou shalt go as a shadow of that which is to come: thus wilt thou command, and in commanding go foremost.” "
>>25404107You’re right. I’m too stupid to appreciate the themes of >Why I’m mad at Wagner for not being dominant enough>Why I’m mad at Christians for not being as cool as my hero, Jesus>Why I’m mad at women because Lou Salome declined to piss on me >Now listen to me ironically wank myself off as part of my sublimated androphilic desires redirected to myself in the “great man theory” equivalent of autogynephilia
>>25404131your post just proves me right, though?you're listing off the most surface level inane shit that no one cares about. are you a woman?
>>25404149Nothing in Nietzsche is particularly profound. I remember in one book he goes on and on about how much he loves some french composer solely because he wants to stick it to wagner. And that's still better than his cultural criticism and "existential" themes. He's just some guy who comments on everything through the lens of his own neuroses. I'd rather read actual sociology or "psychology" than the ravings of Nietzsche the "philologist."
>>25404201that's not even a book you read. that's literally some screencap that gets shared on here. in your mind, reading two sentences is the same as reading a book.lmao, what a fucking retard.
>>25404208I've never seen such a screenshot. But whatever helps you cope at night.
>>25404201You're talking about Case of Wagner, and to say he goes 'on and on' is a bit hyperbolic because I'm pretty sure he talks about Bizet for a total of <10 pages at the start.All I have to say is you express yourself like a simpleton.
>>25404215this is from the book 'The Tristan Chord: Wagner and Philosophy'. it is NOT from a book by nietzsche. as you can see it refers to something nietzsche said in a PRIVATE letter to a friend. meaning there is no way you actually read that in a book by him. you just looked at this screencap which to you counts as 'reading a book'. you are truly one of the stupidest posters of all time.
>>25404246>it is NOT from a book by nietzsche. as you can see it refers to something nietzsche said in a PRIVATE letter to a friend...your own screenshot opens by saying that Nietzsche sets up Bizet against Wagner in his published writing. Also it was obvious in the book about Wagner that he was talking about Bizet to shit on Wagner without the need for this quote from a private letter.
>>25404256ah what a shameless moron you are to continue your bold faced lying. you have not read the case against wagner. you know this, i know this. you are someone grasping desperately at straws rather than just admit that made a stupid thread and you haven't actually read nietzsche.
>>25404267You seem very fragile. For some reason you desperately NEED me to have not read Nietzsche. At this point it doesn't matter if I've read him or not since you've proved my thesis that Nietzsche and his followers are fundamentally idol-worshipers.
>>25404270>my thesisKEKcant wait to read it in print.
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>>25404270>admits to being clueless about the thinker he's criticizingI mean, you can bash Nietzsche or any other thinker as much as you please, but is 'having read his books' not the minimum requirement for doing so?Is it idol worship to demand from the accuser to do the bare minimum?
>>25404331I admitted no such thing.
>>25404070Okay what if you're right? What makes Nietzsche a spiritual cuck? Why haven't you been cucked by the spook of freedom?
>>25404070>The Overman himself is a homoerotic fantasy I'm tired of sharing this board with juveniles. I think 2022 was the last decent year for /lit/, and that's just because of the Don Quixote book club that year. A last hoorah before dying completely.I think it's time to retire from this board...
>>25404070>The reason Nietzsche is obsessed with Aristocracy, the Overman, and the Transvaluation of all Values, is because he wants someone else to do these things so that he can follow them.It's Wagner. It's always been Wagner and Nietzsche fans don't want to admit it much like Nietzsche himself. But Wagner became (or always was and Nietzsche was too stupid to realise) sympathetic to Christianity which drove him insane because he worshipped the ground Wagner spat on yet when he broke with Wagner he realised he had nothing. Two of his books are entirely about Wagner, 5 years after the latter died, and Twilight of the Idols is a stupid fucking pun on Gottedamerung.
>>25404070Kant doesn't 'disprove' miracles WTF are you talking about (unless this is something that is only applied to Lutharens and not someone like the Orthodox)?
>>25404472"reading Kant" is being used metonymy for "discovering enlightenment thought." Kant was called the "All-Destroyer" for raping traditional theology and was an influence on Nietzsche >>25404335>What makes Nietzsche a spiritual cuckthat's what my post was about
>>25404480>metonymythis nigga just be typin words ToT
>>25404070if nietzsche was alive today he would be posting on incels.is
>>25404480No, you kind of just assumed what makes somebody a spiritual cuck and why that's a bad thing.
>>25404070>doesnt believe in moralitylol ok fuck face good luck
