does anybody really enjoy this shit? if so please explain in what sense. i respect its place in literary cultural history but no matter how many times ive cracked it open i cannot extract an ounce of pleasure or insight.>inb4 illiterate
>>25408312>yourkek
>>25408305fuck you there can be but one Sordello
>>25408305It's really fucking good, closest analog is finnegans wake. Get the companion book that translates all the chinky stuff and super obscure references. It would be much bigger in the literary field if he hadn't been canceled.
>>25410320hes not cancelledhes just 'problematic'
>>25408305I like verse but I haven’t gotten to it yet. I’m finishing my current shelf and that’s book 1 on my next shelf.
>>25410353true but he lost a lot of momentum in lit circles. He might have a revival someday.
>>25408305The only poem of his that's stood out to me as being truly exceptional is his Sestina: Altaforte, which is a beautiful exploration of a dark voice.
>>25410320Is it actually enjoyable to read something that requires you to read a whole different book to tell you why it's good?
References/allusion that are there solely to be references and allusions instead of serving a purpose - that is probably the biggest cancer to come out of Modernism and its cursed children.
I literally can't take poetry or people who "enjoy" it seriously.
>>25411007I think the allusions do serve a purpose but they entirely lose their affect when the work is being read by a subliterate public that requires reading secondary works and wikis to even know they're there, in which case they do just become 'references for reference sake.' Pound especially, and much of modernism in general, consists of literary elitists writing for other literary elitists. The issue now is such 'literary elites' have been entirely extinguished.
>>25411008Is that surprising to you or anyone else? It's just the highest form of language, and you're all midwits.
I, too, want to save Western civilization—which consists of people whom I deem to be uncultured cattle.
>>25411063This is why we judge civilizations by the height of their achievements and the great men they produce, not the subliterate troglodyte rabble that most of their populace consists of.
Yeah I have been enjoying it so far. Takes the piss out of retarded commie /lit/fags in a few cantos. >>25410999No book is an island
>>25411203>No book is an islandNonargument. I can read, follow, and understand David Copperfield without having read Shakespeare despite the Shakespeare references. Plenty of works contain allusions that deepen ones interaction with said work if they pick up on them but only amount to minor details, rather than being the whole thing they're predicated on.
Some people should skip the literature grift and go straight into eugenics. It would be a more honest variant of what they're trying to peddle.
>>25411265But enough about Pound
>>25410999It's not reading a whole different book, you just look up something you don't get. Much easier than going searching for it online or something. It's a reference book, not a book book.
>>25411231I mean sure, I read Ulysses without companion books. Doesn't refute my argument.
>>25413223>Doesn’t refute my argument i think anon is right in calling it a nonargument. if your point is no books exists in a vacuum, then yeah, but if you’re levelling that against the idea of ‘required reading’ then in its very weak form its almost meaningless and in its strong form it’s wrong.
>>25408305 What thou lovest well remains, the rest is drossWhat thou lov’st well shall not be reft from theeWhat thou lov’st well is thy true heritageWhose world, or mine or theirs or is it of none?First came the seen, then thus the palpable Elysium, though it were in the halls of hell,What thou lovest well is thy true heritageWhat thou lov’st well shall not be reft from thee The ant’s a centaur in his dragon world.Pull down thy vanity, it is not manMade courage, or made order, or made grace, Pull down thy vanity, I say pull down.Learn of the green world what can be thy placeIn scaled invention or true artistry,Pull down thy vanity, Paquin pull down!The green casque has outdone your elegance. “Master thyself, then others shall thee beare” Pull down thy vanityThou art a beaten dog beneath the hail,A swollen magpie in a fitful sun,Half black half whiteNor knowst’ou wing from tailPull down thy vanity How mean thy hatesFostered in falsity, Pull down thy vanity,Rathe to destroy, niggard in charity,Pull down thy vanity, I say pull down. But to have done instead of not doing this is not vanityTo have, with decency, knockedThat a Blunt should open To have gathered from the air a live traditionor from a fine old eye the unconquered flameThis is not vanity. Here error is all in the not done,all in the diffidence that faltered . . .
>>25408305>>25411203Just read his essays instead. Same themes but actually good and not annoying poetry.
