Post and discussion about any type of history book.>1812: The Navy's War by George Daughan>At the outbreak of the War of 1812, America's prospects looked dismal. It was clear that the primary battlefield would be the open ocean -- but America's war fleet, only twenty ships strong, faced a practiced British navy of more than a thousand men-of-war. Still, through a combination of nautical deftness and sheer bravado, the American navy managed to take the fight to the British and turn the tide of the war: on the Great Lakes, in the Atlantic, and even in the eastern Pacific.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19031258-1812https://www.worldhistory.org/War_of_1812https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_warfare_during_the_War_of_1812Previous thread: >>25304749
Subjects I’m currently interested in deeper reading: >Russo-Japanese War>Hussite Wars>Simon Bolivar>Naval history (anything: exploration, technological development, warfare)>baseball historyAny genuine recommendations welcome
>>25409447>Naval expeditionsEndurance by Alfred LansingThe Wager by David Grann
>>25409447>Naval historySamuel Eliot Morison is one of the greats.
>>25409447>Simon BolivarMarie Arana
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>>25410186>>25410088>>25409538Thank you frens. I will pick these up, except Endurance, which I have read
This was excellent, much better than his fiction.
>>25409429>Adams was a navyboo and was constantly trying to expand and support the navy>jefferson jews him, his own friend, out of a second term and spends his time selling away ships and downsizing only for this war and the barbary pirate shit to happen why did jeff hate the navy despite repeatedly needing to call on it to save america?
>>25410088>Samuel Eliot Morison is one of the greats.just read this and have a thread open trying to get people to talk about it
>>25411783He was a lolbert, and lolberts are not known for having a stable grip on reality.
>>25409447>Russo-Japanese WarHuman Bullets
>>25411616Based. One of my favorites. Glad you liked it.
What's good on the Crimean War?
>>25409429Thunder on the Danube trilogy.
>>25411984Orlando Figes The Crmean War: A History
Anyone have any recommendations on the Investiture Controversy, Guelphs vs Ghibellines, or just the conflict between the Holy Roman Empire and the Pope/Italian city-states in general?
>>25412572>the conflict between the Holy Roman Empire and the Pope/Italian city-states in generalinterested as well. I remember reading a book by Le Goff in university, it was about the Middle Ages in general but it did go into the Guelphs vs Ghibelines into some detail. I sadly can't remember which of his books it was.
>>25409429Looking for modern takes on Herodotean history, like widescreen cultural history.
>>25412572>Investiture ControversyI don't know of a book completely devoted to it, but it is talked about in some detail in Norman Cantor's The Civilization of the Middle Ages and Heart of Europe by Peter Wilson.
>>25412904Uhhhhh... Herodotus
>>25412572>Investiture Controversy Ute-Renate Blumenthal gives you a general but very accessable overview, including the controversy in England and France. For an account of the Investiture Wars in the HRE in English you can read I.S. Robinsons 'Henry lV' But if you want the full story, the Jahrbücher der Deutschen Geschichte are still unsurpassed: You can read Gerold Meyer von Knonau's five volume biography of Henry IV and three volume biography of Henry V, which covers every aspect of the Investiture Controversy>Guelphs vs Ghibellines, Giovanni Villani's Nuova Cronica >or just the conflict between the Holy Roman Empire and the Pope/Italian city-states in general? Thats like several centuries and vastly different socio-political backgrounds. You cant go wrong with books that cover Frederick Barbarossa or Frederick II, as those waged the major wars against the lombard city states.
>>25413135Besides him you fuckwit
>>25413310Nah, now I don't want to. Fuck (You)
>>25413352Your loss
Just completed these two relatively recently (within past month or two, including a large break) and I thought the Beevor one was excellent. I have heard some people shit on Beevor before but I didn't see anything wrong with his work here.As for the second book, the one focused on the German perspective. It was lacklustre to say the least, pretty much everything in this book was said in Beevors but with less overall detail of the battle & subsequent pocket.While the focus on the second book is the Germans, it does feature a perspective from a Hungarian infantryman that Beevor had discovered in Russian archives. So it would've been cool for the author to look for Italian, Romanian & Croat diaries in archives to add more depth. But alas it features a handful of accounts not already featured in Beevors book.However the stories from inside the pocket were absolutely batshit insane. Like Schmidt taking over control from Paulus during it or T34s ramming JU-52s on taxi to take off.
>>25413939The book that I read this week after these two was picrel.Not very long about 180~ish pages in total (excluding foreword & commentary from some Korean peace activist)Some of the accounts are truly heart breaking of children succumbing to the direct wound of the Atomic bomb from severe burns & flesh being gouged off of them. To secondary injuries like glass shrapnel in their flesh & succumbing to radiation poisoning. It's a book that really tugs at the heartstrings & makes you feel the horror of the immediate aftermath of the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bomb.The picture in reply will be the next book I will be reading.
>>25413947Doesn't seem like a long book (nothing wrong with that, I'd prefer concise books on a niche topic than a meandering one)
I prefer reading contemporary accounts of things without the broader context. To see how people actually seemed to treat the world they loved in. Even if annotated editions help a ton with the details of it all. But I find it really hard to track down travel journals, diaries and the like. Anyone have a good place to look? Related to the era of OP's books>Account of a voyage of discovery to the west coast of Corea, and the great Loo-Choo island : with an appendix, containing charts, and various hydrographical and scientific noticesIs a really good read from 1818.
What is the best Biography of pic related? It can be in either English or Portuguese.
>>25410300Based Readera userLove that app.
>>25412572>Henry IV of Germany 1056-1106 >Frederick Barbarossa: The Prince and the Myth Both of these books are very strong surveys on the period they cover and biographies. Highly recommend.
somebody rec'd a book on here some months ago, about Frederick II, king of Sicily. Does anybody remember which one it was? Been meaning to get it.
>>25412634>>25413049>>25413307thanks dudes
>>25414822>>25415155missed yours, thanks
>>25414781I asked once but didn't really get answers. From my little research it seems > Citizen Emperor: Pedro II and the Making of Brazil, 1825-1891might be the best
A link to film adaptation of Anatol by Arthur Schnitzler, one of Austria’s forgotten playwrights. This role was adapted by John Barrymore on broadway but is portrayed by Wallace Reid here.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5RR8XhvEno&pp=ygUaVGhlIGFmZmFpcnMgb2YgYW5hdG9sIDE5MjE%3D&ra=m [Embed]It is a straight adaptation of the Schnitzler play only adding one scene of a farmer having his money stolen. The play is notable for its use of what Freud calls neuroses and defense mechanisms - 1:51:45 time mark in this link- Anatol asks the hypnotist to hypnotize his wife and make her discuss her infidelities but then he doesn’t follow through with it. He pretends he really doesn’t care as a defense mechanism against being hurt as Signund Freud interpreted this scene.>> The first act, Die Frage an das Schicksal ("The question to fate"), earned Schnitzler the title of Psychologischer Tiefenforscher ("psychological depth researcher") from Sigmund Freud.[1]In Hollywood fashion this scene is portrayed more as a “coming to his senses and quitting his neurotic nature” apotheosis though Freud would see it as a mechanical defense of cuckoldry.
>>25415922>1921>silentHow well do you think these old movies really hold up? I only watched Potemkin and bits of that famous Napoleon movie from the 20s, but I found myself unable to focus because I kept being weirded out by how old the footage in front of me actually is.
>>25415945Well I personally enjoyed it but if you're not used to it it may not be for you. Its an acquired tasteThe episodes and translation are directly from the John Barrymore play though slightly out of orderhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatol_(play)In order adapted from play to film"Farewell supper" > "Keepsake Gemstones" (in toned down 1910s translation so no overt sex talk) > "question of fate" (split into two parts, Vivian is hypnotized first time) > entirely made up for the movie episode about a farmer and country girl to give the Christian audience a "misunderstood good girl" character as opposed to the rather loose women in the other episodes > "Agony" > "The question to Fate" part 2 to end the movie on a high note of sorts with Anatol and Vivian reunited by the hypnotist (this scene is what Freud referred to as the defense mechanism).
>>25409429Asked this just before the last thread died so hoping for some insight here. Has anyone read any of greenblatt’s books? Hes known for his Shakespeare biography and I know he said he was a homo mostly based on assumptions which colors me against his historical trustworthiness. But I have some interest in his Adam and Eve book and wonder if anyone can vouch for it or his writing in general?
>>25416068I have two books by him, he's a mixture of a literary theorist and cultural historian, much like Robert Darnton. Idc if he's Jewish but I plan to read the Swerve whenever I get the chance because I find the idea of changing mentalities interesting. The Annales School, which that approach came from, began as mostly an approach rooted in a long duration (longue duree) economic, anthropological and geographical approach with people like Henri Pirenne and Ferdinand Braudel. Marc Bloch is where the transition from material frameworks to mental frameworks began culminating in the approach that would dominated by Greenblatt, Ginzburg, Darnton, and Hunt, eventually bleeding into general intellectual history, like Moyn and Armitage.
>>25415945Everytime I see the word Potemkin the word Pokémon appears in my head at the same time.
What's the best book about the Yugoslav Wars?
>>25416097Which are the two you’ve read? Would you recommend them?
>>25416133Yu-Gi-Oh obviously
Any good books on the Minoans?
>>25416915I don't think so
>>25409447>baseball historyThe New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract
>>25409447Baseball: an illustrated history, the book version of the Ken Burns documentary, is pretty solid. Despite the name it’s not just pictures it’s a lot of essays and historical text from the same historians that appear in the doc.
>>25416178I'll get back to you on that
>>25418078Appreciate that, genuinely
>>25409429Reading this i can finally understand why so many Anarchists are depopulation advocates.
>>25418094No problem
>>25416133I bought this one earlier this year but have yet to read it. I heard good things about it though!
>>25418176>Written five years before the war endedNah.
>>25409429Should I read Tony Judt's Postwar or Paul Johnson's Modern Times for contemporary history?
>>25409429Herodotus starts with a bang. The Greeks and West Asians keep raping each other's noblewomen (as in spiriting them away), and he's like, "it was agreed that this was inferior to an act of war because the women could have prevented themselves from being taken" (implying they could have killed themselves). That's all I got to read before falling asleep last night, it worked like a lullaby.
Im reading this for its sections on the role of technology in the world economy and its core. However its a big slog otherwise due to historiographic squabbles on numerous topics and the fine minutiae of 18th and 19th century agricultural and demographic trends.
Anyone have any recommendations for Cold War Latin American history? Especially regarding Iran-Contra, Nicaragua, Honduras stuff. Seeing the Sandinista president of Nicaragua basically cancel democracy and reading comments by third-worldist goobers saying this is somehow a blow against American imperialism has piqued my interest.
>>25412572Have the perfect book for you but it's in french "le pape et l'empereur" by georges suffert. It starts slowly but it picks up the pace midway and carries you away. It reads like an adventure of Barbarossa's endless conflict with the papacy
>>25418157>why so many Anarchists are depopulation advocates.And why is that?
>>25418290>Tony Judt's Postwar or Paul Johnson's Modern TimesThey are both good. Judt is a more fluid writer but you should read Johnson first, it is a dry read at times but there is a lot of useful information.
>>25409447>baseball history
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This passage struck me because Solon's words sound too precisely like what I imagine a philosopher should say. The translator rendered the clarity of grammar and thought, relative to the speech of other characters so far, unmistakably into English. It sounds just like the voice of the Enchiridion. This one little story that includes the whole exchange between Solon and Croesus outdoes a great swathe of fantasy in its depiction of an arrogant ruler showing contempt for the wisdom of a counsellor. The words attributed to Solon here are literally the wisest possible answer I could have ever come up with, and are stated perfectly.
>>25419945Jonathan Kennedy's sources all come from people like Sahlins and Graeber so I'm assuming he not only a) asserts that agriculture is bad but b) asserts that less people means less chance for the spread of disease and since c) agriculture is a contributing factor to both population growth and population decline that d) not only does this feed into the same arguments that utilitarians and anti-natalists like Peter Singer allude to, I would assume that both him and Sahlins and Graeber would be natural bedfellows in the degrowth mindset. I could be wrong, however. Prof. Kennedy also makes an assumption that certain tribes that come into contact with each other and mix have the combined immune systems of both which I've heard many arguments to contrary but not many in support of. I could just be hanging around the wrong crowds, as I'm not an academic yet and many of those types express progressive drift in their ideas. >>25419953I'm concerned about Judt though as his is strictly Euro-centric and gives no information on developments in Asia or The Americas.
Is there any good history on the evolution of clothing? Like, when and why did the ancients exchange tunics for pants, and then how did we go from medieval clothing to pre-modern clothing in the 1700s, and then why did white wigs become popular in the 1700s. The history behind the tie is pretty cool, surely other articles have similar stories to tell, right?
>>25421663>I'm concerned about Judt though as his is strictly Euro-centricI mean, what did you expect when the book's subtitle is A History of Europe Since 1945.
>>25421789I know, I'm just saying I want a direct comparative alternative to Johnson.
>>25411977nta but this seems cool, thanks
>>25409429throw a bunch of food history at me. go!
I saw this mentioned a while ago and finally finished it.I think it explains some things well however I can't help but feel it glosses over some things while going into minute detail on others which didn't make sense to me. I expected it to mention more about the conditions of miners for example.Currently watching a movie on the French Revolution, curious if there's a good book that goes into the minds of some of the key individuals and why they may have acted the way they did.Also if Louis deserved it (I don't overly think so)
>>25423692I have that book by E.P. Thompson. haven't started it yet, though.for your question there's two I can think of:The Revolutionary Temper: Paris, 1748-1789 by Robert Darnton and The Glory and the Sorrow: A Parisian and His World in the Age of the French Revolution by Timothy Tackett
>>25419266thanks
>>25414873This one?
>>25424961thanks, but it was this one. Have you read yours? Would you recommend it?
>>25425071Not the anon you're asking, but the book you posted is very much a Gibbon's Decline and Fall situation, where you read for enjoyment and the prose, and don't pay too much heed to the veracity of what he says and the conclusions he comes to
>>25425090Yeah but one of his other works "The Kings Two Bodies" is actually theoretical as hell
I think I asked this a long while back. But history audiobooks. Anyone here partake in them? WOuld you say the information presented in that form sticks in your mind as firmly as just regular reading?
>>25425250I tried with Westad's Cold War but little stuck, I would listen either on walks or before bed but would constantly have to rewind cause especially on walks I like to daydream or think about stuff so I went back to music instead of optimizing with audio booksI wouldn't want to put the audio book on while reading at the same time either because the audio book makes it hard to stop and reread stuff, or google stuff, or have little through because you lose track. What you end up doing is omitting all that just to keep going but you miss a lot of the more interesting reflection that happens, or you have to deal with pausing and unpausing and rewinding which is annoying. And the tone when reading quotes also never always matches the one you have when reading things
>>25425536>I would listen either on walks or before bed but would constantly have to rewind cause especially on walks I like to daydream or think about stuffexact same here
Great biography of the fat man.
>>25425250Depends entirely on the writing style. Something dense doesn't suit audiobooks but something more like a narrative is great. I found Napoleon: A Life very good in audiobook form.
I'm looking for a book or a couple on entomology. Specifically on melittology, myrmecology or lepidopterology. I'm looking for a deep dive on the history of those and the evolution of semiotic attached to each species.
>>25409429I bought Shelby Foote's Civil War narrative is that a good one /lit/
>>25429794>is that a good one /lit/Yes its excellent.
>>25429794No, it's terrible.
>>25429790This sounds a bit sus
>>25429153Not history but look into Jakob Von Uexhill's works
Jack Weatherford's books about the Mongols are so fucking comfy bros.
>>25409429Best Oxford histories? I picked up picrel on a whim due to my interest in Foucault
>>25431228I will look into it thank you Anon.
>Harlow Giles Unger paints an intimate portrait of the heroic young French soldier who, at 19, renounced a life of luxury in Paris and Versailles to fight and bleed for liberty - at Brandywine, Valley Forge, and Yorktown. A major general in the Continental Army, he quickly earned the love of his troops, his fellow commanders, and his commander in chief, George Washington, who called him his "adopted son".>Unger follows Lafayette from the battlefields of North America to the palace of Versailles, where the marquis won the most stunning diplomatic victory in world history - convincing the French court to send the huge military and naval force needed to win American independence. He then returned to America to lead the remarkable guerrilla campaign in Virginia that climaxed with the British surrender at Yorktown.>Lafayette's triumph turned to tragedy, however, when he tried to introduce American democracy in his native land. His quest for a constitutional monarchy unwittingly set off the French Revolution and plunged Europe into more than a decade of slaughter and war. Declared an enemy of the state, Lafayette fled France only to be imprisoned for five years in an Austrian dungeon, while his wife, Adrienne, and her family festered in prison, awaiting the cruel blade of the guillotine.
Give me your Greece and Rome recs. I’ve rear scullard, syme, goldsworthy. I want more. Much obliged.[/spoiler] obligatory beard to enrage the romanaboos into giving me better recs
>>25431671No problem. A thread back or so I made a post asking for prehistory recs. Probably looking to score them this weekend.
>>25433106The Roman Empire and Silk Routes by Raoul McLaughlin
I'm currently reading this. As the author points out in the beginning, there are dozens if not hundreds of books and movies made about the Vietnam war, yet so few about the Korean War. So I wanted to learn more about it. It's written from the American perspective of the Korean War, with some insights into Chinese, and to a lesser degree, DPRK and Soviet planning as well. Its okayish, I found there to be more dramatization of the significant battles rather than pure historical analysis. Its also quite long with 1200 pages.
>Its okayishMad it keeps pointing out how badly the Chinese sent the UN into full-on panic and retreat multiple times, huh?
>>25434591The author states multiple times that the retreat from North Korea was caused by MacArthur's stubborn push to the Yalu, which he did in order to provoke a war with the Chinese communists, and ultimately topple and replace them with Kuomintang (US allied China during WW2) following a nuclear war with China. This was back in the days when US and Soviet's were the only countries with nukes so China would have to absorb atomic bombing just like Japan did 5 years earlier.But Truman and Sec State Acheson chickened out of a bigger war. Nevertheless UN force consolidated the front after being out-manned 3-1 by the Chinese, they launched a counteroffensive and pushed the Chinese back over the 38th parallel.
>>25434622Still didn't win the war.
>>25434623You could call it an American stalemate at worse. The communists believed they could push US out of continental Asia prior to their invasion, and failed that objective.
>>25434627America didn't win the war.
>>25434630That implies there was a war to begin with
Does anyone have any recommendations for books about the American Loyalists? I’m currently reading Tories: Fighting for the king in America’s First Civil War and it has been a great read that I want to read more about them.
>>25409429This came out in 2004 and you can tell that he needed to add the "war on terror" angle to the jacket to get the book greenlit. It's barely mentioned at all in the text itself
>>25415922Is Schnitzler really forgotten? Stanley Kubrick did a film adaptation of one of his novels.
>>25434775But I was told Jefferson was allegedly a peacenik.
>>25434773
>>25434773You fucking TRAITOR!
Books on Emglish Civil War?
>>25438527Christopher Hill - World Turned Upside DownHugh Trevor-Roper - Crisis Of The Seventeeth CenturyBlair Worden - The English Civil War
>>25436787Your liberty stinks of treason! You are the traitor.
>>25409429Any book like Horse, Wheel, And Language but for the Mongol invasion of China?
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>>25409447>Naval historyJanet Macdonald's Feeding Nelson's Navy is the definitive work on Age of Sail feeding and Royal Navy logistics from river water to beer caskshe made, cooked and ate 18th century salt pork herself just to test the methodevery single myth you knew and didn't know, she personally debunked with tons of painstaking researchfurther Age of Sail naval history: Robert Gardiner>>25411616Thirdeddestroys the myth of Ney's "senseless cavalry charge" which was nothing of the sort>>25423680>food historyabove rec might interest you>>25433106>I’ve rear scullard, syme, goldsworthy. I want moreRobert L. O'Connell's Ghosts Of Cannaevery accessible, very heroic, and his critique of Roman accounts provides a good balance against most histories which tend to present them at face value
Any recommendations about the Renaissance in general? Is Isaacson's Da Vinci good?
>>25409447>Hussite WarsThomas A. Fudge>Simon BolivarJohn Lynch's biography>Naval HistoryLincoln Paine's "The Sea and Civilization">Russo-Japanese WarConnaughton's "Rising Sun and Tumbling Bear>>25412572>Investiture ControversyWilfried Hartmann's Der Investiturstreit. Don't really know what is the go to book in Americanese.>Guelphs and GhibellinesRaccagni's The Lombard League>>25415922Schnitzler is not forgotten at all, if anything, he's one of the most popular authors of the era.>>25416068>>25416097He's a joke.>>25416915Vance Watrous's Minoan Crete>>25418290Neither.>>25429794You would be far better served by James G. Randall>>25438527Austin Woolrych's big tome plus Tim Harris's duology for the aftermath
>>25439695>Lincoln Paine's "The Sea and Civilization"something like this but more focused on Europe and European maritime history?
Why are you negroids always so euro-centric? You probably don't even live in Europe.
>>25439652burckhardt civilization of the renaissance
>>25439695>Connaughton's "Rising Sun and Tumbling BearThat was the other book I was going to suggest but I figured he'd get more enjoyment out of Human Bullets, lole.
>>25409429There's literally an entire board for this. Fuck off.
>>25440128East Asians have their own internet communities and don't hang here reading western stuff. Middle Eastern Muslims probably do read a lot of European history since it's intricately tied to their own. As do North and South Americans, for the same reasons.
>>25440140Read world history. Now.
>>25440138/his/ is solely for the purposes of catholic/protestant shitflinging.
Any good books that cover the history of Chinese folk/medicine and the quackery of it all?
>>25440138/his/ doesn't read
>>25440128Don't worry lil bro, I've got this bad boy in my backlog. In the increasingly globalized world we live in we literally cannot afford to be ignorant of other cultures and must strive for greater understanding. We must be better men.
just read The Great Purge by Robert Conquest but i still don't really get it. Did Stalin really think he was helping the cause of communism by killing everyone, even his own supporters? Does anyone really know what went through Stalins mind or was he too secretive?
>>25441127I'm probably the anon that suggested it to you. You STILL haven't read it?
>>25441190He was paranoid anon. That's literally it.
>>25441190>Does anyone really know what went through Stalins mind or was he too secretive?If you really are interested read Stephen Kotkin’s Stalin books, he did an autistic amount of research for these tomes and the primary sources that are quoted are pretty revealing in a way but also quite predicable (he never stops being a psychopath).
>>25409429Good book on the history of North American hotels and motels?
>>25443023not a history, but maybe this could interest you:>The autobiography of Four Seasons founder Isadore Sharp is titled Four Seasons: The Story of a Business Philosophy. Published on April 30, 2009, the 320-page book details how he grew the company from a single motor hotel into a global luxury brand.
>>25442483>predicableMeant to say predictable.
>>25409429I’m always looking for more grand narratives. So far my picks are:>From Dawn to DecadenceBarzun>Europe: A HistoryNorman Davies>Christianity: The first three thousand yearsDiarmaid MacCullochAscent of Man and Civilisation get honorable mentions along with the Durant series. Feels like there are less people even writing in this vein year by year but I’d like suggestions from the last 50 years if possible. The Rise of the West is one such rec I got earlier but haven’t read yet.
HOW THE FUCK DID THE MONGOL EMPIRE CONQUER NOTORIOUSLY UNCONQUERABLE SHITHOLES LIKE CHINA, RUSSIA AND AFGHANISTAN WHEN LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER EVEN REMOTELY FUCKING MANAGED!?
>>25445193By killing literally everyone. Can't pussyfoot conquest. You have to kill every man woman AND child, no quarter whatsoever. Modern militaries would never.
>>25445191You might these:Peter Frankopan - Silk RoadsSimon Sebag Montefiore - The WorldGeoffrey Parker - Global CrisisMarc Bloch - Feudal Society I & IIand also by William H. McNeill:The Pursuit Of Power & Plagues And Peoples
>>25445206Oh and Charles Taylor - A Secular Age if you like the intellectual history of belief
>>25445193Russia and Afghanistan were very different than China. The reason Russia and Afghanistan are tricky is isolation and desolation. Mongols had the skills to exist in bumfuckistan thanks to being nomads. They were also great at both incorporating new tech like siege weapons and being utterly ruthless so holding out wasn’t as strong a tactic it used to be (sieges are costly and starving people out takes a long time). The other part is how they managed to keep nominal borders (why didn’t people just defect after they left). One part ruthless again (some did defect and got slaughtered), one part the same strategy as Alexander, suck everything up in the New Mongol Admin, keep functionaries in place but with new masters. This is itself a tech they steal from the chinese. It’s that first story of defeating the chinese that is the hard part of the story and the one that has the least sources if you want to understand Ghengis. Alexander was at least born into a ready made army with the privilege and schooling to use it. If you believe the secret history Ghengis is a literal rags to riches story with nothing but disadvantages.
>>25445193They took in defectors and prisoners from conquered pieces that could teach them how to get past defenses further in.Diversity was their strength :)
>>25445193It was a different time.
>>25445193They couldn't take Vietnam
>>25445193the Mongols allied with half of China and together they conquered and ruled the rest of China, in about the same way that Muslims and Leftists are joining forces in Europe and America
>>25445761>Ummm..... leftists Obsessive retard.
>>25445799Why does it bother you?
>>25445281Pol Pot almost did
>>25445803Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
>>25445828it's a contemporary example that parallels and therefore can assist understanding of a historical event. every history book and even many academic journals is replete with them, in order to aid reader understanding.
>>25445850Nah
>>25444529Oh thank god. Your post was incomprehensible without this correction
I admire Herodotus' aversion to snitching.
>>25446734Black behavior
>>25445859>no argument
>>25446988Don't need one. You're gay as fuck and can't discuss events of the high middle ages without bringing up gay, modern political bullshit.Consider suicide.>It's relevant!No, it's not. Not to the discussion at hand. Kill yourself.
>>25447072>without bringing up gay, modern political bullshityou haven't given any actual reason not to use a relevant contemporary example when discussing history, you've only chimped out about it like a child in a tantrum
>How did the Mongols conquer these notoriously difficult to conquer locations?>UMMMMMM.... LEFTIES AND MUSLIMSThis is what you sound like. You're a fucking dipshit. Blow your brains out.
>>25447079You can't discuss anything without bringing up leftists. Shoot yourself in the mouth.
>>25447085>>25447082
>>25447085Could you make it a little less obvious that you are one next time?
>>25445193Nomads can mobilise a much larger part of their population and have easier logistics, which was a great advantage over agrarian states until the modern era
>>25447206I'm not. I'm just sick and tired of directionbrained retards shoehorning their faggy political bullshit into every single aspect of their faggot existence.
>>25447230>Nomads can mobilise a much larger part of their population and have easier logistics(very nearly literal) horseshitthe Mongolians' nomadism has been greatly exaggeratedand they would have been a far greater empire if they had actually been a proper agrarian state and made better use of the fertility of the Asian steppes
>>25447232You do realize that regardless of what you think of it almost every political philosopher or scientist uses those terms interchangeably since 1789 and no amount of bitching is going to change that, right? You don't have the institutional power to do so anyways unless I'm mistaken and you're the dean of admissions for Harvard, Cambridge or Yale.
>>25447072Nta, buddy. Fish in a barrel, though.
>>25447344>UMMMM... DID YOU KNOW THAT... ALL ASPECTS OF EXISTENCE ARE INHERENTLY POLITICAL IN NATURE?!Kill. Yourself. Now.
>>25447352Nah. I enjoy life. The fact that I, as a person existing makes you angry gives my life, in turn, purpose. Thank you.
>>25447384Now you're just coping by thinking I actually care about this conversation at all. Cope and seethe.
>>25447417I'm not the one who typed in all caps, boomer.
>>25447538Cope.
>>25409447>Naval historyThe Life of Captain James Cook
>>25449934>I'd like to beagle his hole, if you know what I mean>wink wink
>>25439652The Italian Renaissance by J. H. Plumb
Best books on "the inquisition" as a whole?
>>25447545Boomer>>25439652>>25451936I've heard mixed reviews on picrel as a piece of comparative history between the middle ages and renaissance but I'm sure its good because Manchester seems well respected. Would be nice if someone threw more comparative history at me like that and Palmer's Age Of Democratic Revolution, whether its comparing cultures or periods.>>25452349History Of The Inquisition In The Middle Ages by Henry C. Lea
>>25423680De agri culturaVictorian Family Save-All/The Family Save-AllThe Oldest Cuisine in the World: Cooking in Mesopotamia
>>25423680Physiologie du goût from Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin. If you don't read French there's an Everyman's library edition under "The Physiology of Taste"
>>25452568>>25452711Thanks
any good books on the building of the Panama Canal? I'm mostly trying to understand the US's role in Panama seceding from Colombia. From my rough understanding of things, both France and the US wanted to build the Panama Canal in what was then Colombia territory. Colombia refused, so the US and France backed an independentist movement which managed to break away from Colombia and establish Panama as an independent nation. Minutes later the new Republic of Panama gives the US the right to build whatever they want on their territory. Kinda sus if you ask me. My take is of course biased, that's why I'm looking for a good source.
Looking for really well-written historical novels about generally English/French history, whether individual figures or battles. With a focus on prose, any suggestions?
>>25409447The Journal of Christopher Columbus, translated by Cecil Jane. Published in the late 50s, I believe. Incredibly interesting and a relatively quick read -- quite funny, too, reading about all the first impressions Columbus' expedition had of the native islanders, and their attempts to find gold. Do keep in mind that the original journal had been lost, and all copies in print now are based off of a paraphrased (though detailed and largely faithful) copy made by a priest known to Columbus' nephew.
>>25423692Thanks for the recommendation. I've added it to my list, next to 'London Labour and London Poor', by Mayhew.
Anyone have any good recommendations on monetary history that actually incorporates coinage and pre-modern societies?
>>25453601You might like picrel.
>>25453598>The Journal of Christopher ColumbusMuch more interesting to read than I expected, its a real shame we don't have the complete original.
>>25447352Calm down snowflake it's just a mongolian (heh) basketweaving forum
>>25409429Dudley Pope wrote some very good nautical WW2 history books. The Battle of the River Plate: The Hunt for the German Pocket Battleship Graf Spee>This tale of the Battle of the River Plate follows the machinations of the German war machine as Kapitan zur See Hans Langsdorff commands the pocket battleship Graf Spee on a mission to cripple British shipping. Through clever subterfuge and daring, the Graf Spee takes ship after ship, ultimately forcing the British Navy to send twenty ships in search of the elusive German vessel. Pope presents a true, enthralling account of the men, ships, and tactics that culminated in this naval action which so brilliantly began Britain's war at sea.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_River_Platehttps://www.amazon.com/Battle-River-Plate-German-Battleship-ebook/dp/B00PPGYYJC73 North: The Battle of the Barents Sea>The events and decisions that culminated in the Battle of the Barents Sea—what many consider to be the most important naval engagement of World War II's European theatre—in which eight of the German navy's most powerful ships failed to sink a Russian convoy guarded by only four small British destroyers, are brought to life by the author in this tale of men struggling to carry out their orders in the face of overwhelming obstacles.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barents_Seahttps://www.amazon.com/73-North-Battle-Barents-Sea-ebook/dp/B00PPGYZDC
>>25455478>So bootyblasted he replied again four days later Rent-free, lmao.
Finished this recently and really enjoyed it. The mechanics of how we got off the gold standard internationally and how Versailles affected global economics was a lot of fun to read about. Pairs nicely with Tragedy & Hope and The Creature from Jekyll Island (even though the latter has some, in my opinion, wacky conclusions about what’s going on).
>>25453175>books on the building of the Panama CanalPanama Fever was quite good.
>>25455759thanks for the short review. I have it, I think I'll read it soon. I appreciate it.
>>25455611not the same anon
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>>25458018lmao, yes you are.
The actual quote of what Ortega said: “The National Assembly will hold special sessions with the Supreme Electoral Council to ensure the constitutional, legal, and formal steps that underpin the reforms for a state and establish pathways that guarantee the legal foundations of this momentous aspect of institutionality and support the political, democratic, sovereign, and free practices of our national and local electoral processes.”i.e. cementing its government as a de facto democratic centralist state, furthering from the liberalization and corruption stemming from the 90's openess, as has followed anti-imperialist trajectories elsewhere in the world. And why wouldn't governments do this, seemingly widen the gulf of representation between the elites and populace, when to not do so, as in Chile and Bolivia, is disastrous for the public sector, and bountiful for extractive foreign capital? They all see China prospering (doing sovereign state capitalism- I wasn't born yesterday), in both the sense of idealization away from the corrupt joke that free America has wrought, and in the direct threat that is surrounding Nicaragua in LATAM. You point to one mass media-written headline decrying authoritarianism, why is the surge of banana plantation owners & dictator progeny winning elections not similarly engross you? Indigenous murders by encroaching agriculture? Worsening quality of life of the lower class, wage-indebted by their bosses on one side, facing austerity by kleptocrats on the other, both subsidized by Trump? Countless women to be interred in unmarked graves by expanding cartels? Or maybe the neo-death squads that Bukele is pioneering?Open question to anyone: why is it that history fascinates you? Is it to put another tome on your shelf, another entry in your mind's encyclopedic knowledge? What do you use that accumulated knowledge for? If you live in a democracy, are you using your voice to its participatory extreme, maybe to secure your nation's earnings for your own people rather than insure corporate profits with sanctions, military bases and intervention? Or are you comfortable with the standard of democracy your government sets for you to treat reading as simply a hobby?
I never read historical fiction, but I decided to give it a go with pic rel because I got it for cheap at a sale. For any anon that knows, is this really as historically authentic as some places online say? Obviously it fills in details and emotions that we can’t know, but I’m wondering if the outline of events are well informed by actual historical study. I’m not going to take anything as fact from it, but I’d like to know if I can read it like watching a good historical movie and come away thinking that it’s a reasonable if dramatized portrayal of the events.
>>25458142I read history so that I know all the horrors and atrocities and power-grabbing that communists perpetuated in the name of "helping the workers"
>>25458085Not really
>>25452454still waiting on an answer to this. also, bump
>>25458804>is this really as historically authentic as some places online say?Yes and no, most of the facts about historical events are pretty accurate but it's portrayal of Thomas Cromwell is pretty sympathetic. If it was a biography and not historical fiction it probably would be accused of being hagiography. With that being said, it is a well written and interesting book.
>>25458820And yet, as I've impelled you to answer: what has that earned you beyond what you already have absorbed through cultural osmosis? To continue participating in society, living by its own rapid metric, as before, yet this time you position your identity ever so more woke? Do you judge every book on meritocratically equal terms, as you'd measure the democratic standard of a given state, casting aside material resources and millennia of shifting borders? I'd wager your place in intelligentsia could only bleed into the ambience with such a limited view.
