Did chuds ever manage to refute this, or do they still just pretend it doesn't exist?
>>25410097It would be surprising if they refuted something nobody has heard of.
Not worth reading.
>>25410097Yeah there's nothing wrong with rape you're just imagining things.
>>25410097What basic observation of life will a communist pretend is a philosophical insight next?
>>25410097denounce vishnu
>>25410097Fascism is a bizarre melding of the animus and anima that is neither masculine or feminine. Italian Fascism is the only real exception to this rule because it's a direct refutation of the feminine from a culture that is overwhelming matriarchal.
>>25410183Italy is matriarchal? This makes no sense at all. Germany is more matriarchal than italy, if anything.
>>25410202All Latin countries are soft-matriarchical as the mother is the most important person in an unpartnered man's life and when he partners that woman becomes his new mother. Brown men have a mother their entire life.Legalistic equality like in Anglo-Germanic countries are not matriarchal. Atomisation is a hallmark of a non-matriarchial society.
>the heckin chuds are le evil and toxically masculine!!What is there to discuss exactly, it's like every other piece of leftist analysis ever
>>25410215It's cool, we can just wait 1000 years for this human strain of spiritual infant to get comfortable with the oh so controversial truths like women need to reproduce for everything they ever did or could have loved to continue existing
>>25410230Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
>>25410231I'm so glad I grew up without the internet lmao. It must be funny as shit watching you talk to females.
>>25410215truth doesn't magically become false because it's repeated kek
>>25410244Okay? Blame women for choosing to mate with masculine dark triad men instead of timid awkward incels. Of course the women themselves are just puppets to their biological programming so they can't exactly be blamed, but blaming the chuds is even dumber
>>25410239You mean femoids?
>>25410097refute what?> , or do they still just pretend it doesn't exist?Thats an interesting way of phrasing it. I dont waste time debating insanity. >>25410104kek. well said.
>>25410097I want to know how someone likes this describes politics before the 20th century when we didn't have magic words like "fascism" or "communism" to instantly let the reader know that nothing you're saying matters.
>>25410254Chuds have no actual power or political capital. They're just a boogeyman leftoids who don't want to admit they've become libtards made up so they could maintain self-righteousness in the false belief they're fighting the good fight.
>>25410097The aesthetics of fascism were invented by D'Annunzio, and he was a lover of women and their bodies (he did like them sickly and decadent though, blame Huysmans and Flaubert.) Two thirds of his followers at Fiume were young women, and it was a continual orgy.I don't think you can say fascism is a result of men getting the ick from women. It sprung forth from D. H. Lawrence-type vitalism combined with love of the war experience of WW1, wanting to replicate that frontline army life in society at large.
>>25410097>>25410295Are we sure he's not just describing a national trait of the Germans to be stiff and unsensuous, and the Nazis were Germans, ergo... If he's discovered the secret sauce of fascism then how does he explain the Italians, who being a sensuous and amorous people, do their fascism in a sensuous and sexual way?I think he's confused a German pathology for an ideological one.
Why do intellectuals couch their arguments in psychobabble instead of cold, hard neuroscience? Your enemies are mentally ill and developmentally disabled, just say that.
>>25410097the neoliberal calls you a pervert
>>25410097neoliberalism is what foucault taught the tunisian boys
>>25410204>Atomisation is a hallmark of a non-matriarchial society.the opposite of that. patriarchy is "is this not the carpenters son", matriarchy is made out of restraining orders separating children from their fathers
>>25410097>fascists did fascism because they wanted toWhy else would they be fascists than to do fascism? It's not like communism where every single time they do something it's not real communism and what they REALLY wanted to do was something completely different from what they actually did
>>25410295Realistically any type of "unified theory of fascism" fails, especially the psychoanalytic ones.Recall those ideas by Reich and Adorno about how fascism stems from Germanic Protestant sexual repression which creates the authoritarian personality. Meanwhile the entire ideology was invented by an Italian perv dandy who created a polyamorous-homosexual ethnostate and an Italian socialist womanizer from an anarchist family who was named after a Mexican Indigenous anti-imperialist.
>>25410307why do you keep posting this dogshit
>>25410270I think usually they evaluate pre-20c things based on their proximity to 20c fascism.Examples of things that are "protofascist":>Platonism>Chinese legalism>Spanish Inquisition>Columbus and colonialism
I am a romanticist who has had fascist tendencies since I was a teenager. Will I enjoy this book?
>>25410304Because thats ableist
>>25410328It enrages so its working as intended
>>25410324Well put
>>25410239The internet was pretty much all I had post-1992. I was always an awkward fuck.
>>25410324I hate to indulge its supporters in any way but Nazism isn’t Fascism and Fascism never existed in practice, Mussolini compromised and Fiume was just an armed camp with less ideological rigidity than the Paris Commune.
nazis>thinking about preserving society from capitalistic liquidation and communist collectivization, tackling jqjewish scholar>actually it was secretly all about peepee in poopoo
>>25410420So what is fascism then and what does it look like when it's actually tried?
>>25410097Sounds like a low-T faggot whining about "violence=fascism" because he's a bitch that can't separate fantasy from reality and uses the "fiction affects reality!" argument as a cope for his inadequacy and powerlessness.Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
>>25410097Okay but then why do women support that on an interpersonal level and self-select for the exact type of man criticized in the book
>>25410328whats missing from the prince goes to college is the university administrator with an electric cattle prod saying human rights end where israeli rights begin
>>25410443The closest thing to Fascism in the modern day is China. Though Fascism has always been more of a amorphous ideology with a stated goal than a system to achieve said goal. The ultimate goal of Fascism is unity of the people and that the state should serve the people.
>>25410183Italian Fascism IS fascism. Anything else is a larp>>25410202lmao what a retard
>>25410292yeah I remember when leftist retards rediscovered Fight Club a few years back and whinged about:>white male power fantasy about inventing imaginary problems reeeeeMeanwhile they've spent 10+ years derangedly raving about White supremacy/nationalism, Trump/MAGA, the alt-right, neo-Nazis, fascism, and now "Christian Nationalism." (whatever the fuck that is) It's nothing but boogeyman after boogeyman.
>>25410621Thats why I never paid them any mind. Not worth talking to people who have their heads so far up their moms uterus.
>>25410517Because women don't think logically. Everything is just vibes to them. Being hypocritical is a trait women just naturally possess. But its not to say men shouldn't act the same way.
>>25410292>Chuds have no actual powerDidn't you people elect the current president of the United States?
>>25410292>>25410177
>>25410097>the fascist is not doing 'something else,' but doing what wants to do. [...] He forces us to acknowledge that these acts of fascist terror spring from irreducible human desire.lol wut. Is this connected to that "ACHKSHUALLY fascism is a herd mentality and nobody actually believes in it" flavor of bullshit that gets passed around from time to time?
>>25410377I read the first 30 pages after seeing this thread and it's a collection of primary accounts from Freikorps and Nazis being distant and unpassionante about women. Very focused on the primary accounts, you're more or less reading a digest of boring chuds being bored with women. Later chapters hint at them getting the ick from women too. It does appear to mount a decent case against the psychological make up of German fascists, but of what value that is to a unified theory of fascism seems doubtful>>25410324
>Theweleit was born in Ebenrode, East Prussia (now Nesterov, Russia), the son of a railway company worker and a Jewish mother. He wrote the following about his father: "Above all he was a railroader, wholeheartedly, as he used to say, and then a human being. He was a rather good human being and a good fascist. His beatings which he gave away abundantly and brutally as it was usual in his time and with the best of intentions were the first lessons I received on fascism, a fact I only later fully discovered."[1]Don't beat your kids, they'll turn out to be gigalibtards.
>>25410377You'll start reading, nodding along, thinking "wow so based!" etc, and gradually you will get very, very upset, and you won't be able to articulate why
>>25411765I read chud misogynist posts online all the time and they don't upset me
>>25410295>The aesthetics of fascism were invented by D'Annunzio ... I don't think you can say fascism is a result of men getting the ick from women. It sprung forth from D. H. Lawrence-type vitalism combined with love of the war experience of WW1, wanting to replicate that frontline army life in society at large.I'm glad you pointed that out because it's not something people really understand. I sort of view the vitalism as about disdaining the comfortable life, not being content with the world, and viewing what you're doing as like being on a romantic quest, like a knight. Also there's a strong belief that duty and loyalty is important. It's interested in banners and victory parades and the pursuit of a greater idealistic purpose and there being an aura around it.There was also a fascination with aviation. I read "A History of Fascism" by Stanley Payne and at the end of it, I was thinking, well they just wanted to do Starship Troopers really.https://youtu.be/ti_c56oksWI>>25410301>Are we sure he's not just describing a national trait of the Germans to be stiff and unsensuous, and the Nazis were Germans, ergo...Theweleit had a Freudian sort of theory and applied it to writings of Freikorps members, that a lot of what they were doing was a defense against anxiety resulting from fragile egos. He describes them as men who were psychologically "not yet completely born" ("noch nicht ganz geboren") and so they could only feel real in a uniform. I think it gets confusing because it might describe what a lot of these guys were like, but it wouldn't describe someone like D'Annunzio at all.The uniforms are like a form of psychological armor (or "Körperpanzer," body-armor) to make themselves look hard. I think there might be something to that when looking at, say, Patriot Front members. Like what is the psychological experience of those guys when they get together in a group, put on masks and matching outfits, and then march here, march there, shout something in unison. In public. What does that *do* for them, or provide for them?Roger Griffin also drew on Theweleit in a book on terrorist psychology. That could be someone like Anders Breivik and a lot of Muslim guys who become jihadis. You see these mass shooters take pics of themselves posing with weapons. They are often autistic loners, the effect can be similar to a weeb with a ponytail and a trenchcoat wielding a samurai sword in his backyard. But what exactly is going on in the head of a guy doing that. It's trying to do a legendary epic anime entrance, basically.>>25410581>The closest thing to Fascism in the modern day is China. I really don't see it. Chinese propaganda tends to emphasize "happiness," economic development to live a "better life" or "good life." I think Mussolini would've hated it, he'd be like oh God they're turning people into vegetables:https://youtu.be/3jkQ1kcmhc0
>>25412145>I really don't see it.Despite the show of killing landlords, China was already fascist and class collaborationist under Mao, let alone Deng, let alone Xi.The very flag of the PRC symbolizes class collaboration and nationalism.
>>25411765probably because you're reading a terrible book
>>25412150Watch that video, the Chinese are saying, their goal is to build a happy, safe world and people can just be ordinary. Mussolini would say he emphatically does NOT believe that is the highest ideal that mankind should be pursuing. Chinese propaganda also talks about national rejuvenation, but that alone doesn't tell you much, and the leadership styles of Xi Jinping and Benito Mussolini are so completely different, opposites really. They can both be authoritarian but I really don't think this gets at the wellspring of what fascism was trying to pursue. It wasn't mere class collaboration, it was something greater and more monumental than that. The ideal Chinese citizen is pretty ordinary in the propaganda. They study, work hard, obey the law, contribute to society and fulfilling their social role. That's very Confucian and the goal here is to prevent social upheaval (after the experience of the Cultural Revolution), but I think Mussolini would think that's decadent. A fascist thinks things need to be dramatic. It's high conflict, heroic action-man of destiny stuff.An aspect of vitalism is that there's a vital life force which seperates humans from animals and it's not a physical thing, but spiritual. It's a feeling. I think fascism is like taking something like the following and trying to make it the organizing principle of society, epic aura and hype moments reallyhttps://youtu.be/O6d8hmCkBlk
>>25411118>"le German fascists">it's nazisHow can one take anything seriously after this, over and over again? Nazis had 5 minutes of infatuation with Mussolini, because he took power and they didn't yet and that was their whole ideological connection. I guess Benito had to pretend that his ideology was a good fit to Germany's for 3-4 years during ww2 as well, while saving hebes from Hitler. Wow, such a strong thread there.
>>25412174You seem focused on the aesthetics of fascism rather than what the society looks like in concrete terms. But there's little difference between Mussolini's and Xi's regimes even in ideological terms, since both are preoccupied with irredentism, ethnocultural homogeneity and the ideal of national rejuvenation. It's just that one of them calls himself communist. It raises the question of whether Mussolini would still be a boogeyman if he did everything the same but continued calling himself socialist instead of inventing a spooky new name for his movement.
>>25412238>You seem focused on the aesthetics of fascism rather than what the society looks like in concrete terms.I think aesthetics are constitutive of political systems, it's not just propaganda, it's an important part of how political life is lived and understood. But in more concrete terms, I think China is less militaristic than the fascist states were. Also less militaristic than the United States. I'm not even saying this because I'm glazing China, because I think the state is pretty authoritarian. >But there's little difference between Mussolini's and Xi's regimes even in ideological terms, since both are preoccupied with irredentism, ethnocultural homogeneity and the ideal of national rejuvenation. These things have appeared in a lot of different types of political systems. Charles de Gaulle was into national rejuvenation, or national grandeur. There's a strong current in favor of ethnocultural homogenity in post-war Japan, but no one would describe it as fascist. Arguably, Italian fascism put less emphasis on this than post-war Japan and South Korea have, although China attempting to Sino-fy (Sinofication?) minorities so they are more Chinese is similar. Class collaboration has also appeared in a wide variety of systems. The Soviet Union also had military parades and propaganda. So it doesn't make sense to define fascism that way. It's basically just defining it as nationalism with authoritarian features. Liberals do that a lot. Maybe they're right. But I think it matters what it's all for. For the fascists it was not ordinary people living normal, prosperous lives in a stable society.
>>25412174What Mussolini wants isn’t necessarily what Fascism is.
>>25410097Am I the only one in this thread who's actually read it? Really interesting book. This board would hate it but it's great.
>>25410183Explain how fascism is not masculine or feminine,
>>25410345>Spanish InquisitionI mean "Limpieza de sangre" sounds pretty fascist to me.
>>25410097I keep trying to get it but sombody always takes it from the library.Quotes from it pop up and they are always bangers and funny too.
>>25413239I probably would use the pages to wipe shitcrumbs from my asscrack, sure.
>>25412145Thanks, good post. I would say cosmetics and fashion is always a ritual of self-making, always a knowing project of self-producing art/artifice. Obviously a very strong one in the uniform types, and more received than drawn from self.
>>25413239It does seem to possess a genuine insight into German chuds, and broader faults of the German and male character generally.
>>25410097I ignore it like I ignore all tranny schizo talking points tbqh>le male desire (driver of civilization) is le bad because... ummm... WOMEN ARE PEOPLE TOO, CHUD
>>25410097If it is claiming that male desire is inherently bad or wrong than it is self-refuting
>>25412258My opinion on fascism is similar to Eco's (even though I disagree with most of Eco's points) in that fascism is essentially a vibe, both in the eyes of its detractors and supporters. It's not something you can easily pinpoint and identify. Even in its propaganda it's flexible and multifaceted, note how fascist Internet memes use both a masculine gigachad and ugly loser incel chud as self-inserts.And of course the fact that flagship fascist elements constantly creep up in nominally non-fascist political systems is something that complicates the essentialist notion that fascism is something that can be taken in isolation and psychoanalyzed. China is the best example, a communist country that gradually transformed into a fascist one with a red flag. When CCP officials operate a mass surveillance system, spread nationalist propaganda and send enemies of the state into labor camps are they being motivated by some subconscious misogyny and "male insecurity"?
>>25414229>Even in its propaganda it's flexible and multifaceted, note how fascist Internet memes use both a masculine gigachad and ugly loser incel chud as self-inserts.this article's about thathttps://www.unpopularfront.news/p/the-jockcreep-theory-of-fascism
>>25414229>>25414236this dichotomy exists within all ideologies (the brave violent revolutionary vs the downtrodden oppressed worker for example) and is just another trite way to rationalise fascism as borne of personal deficienciesin fact it only makes any sense at all through that midwit lens
>>25413282Well there are a lot of things in history that were later adopted by fascist regimes and became fascist-coded by association.
>>25410865>thinking that Trump got elected because of a few chuds on the internetBoth parties are voted in by normies. Some radical Republican politician may have steered the culture towards a more chuddish depiction, but it's mostly meaningless aeatheticism. The Republican Party has not changed substantially, still the same evangelicals, forever wars, corporate bailouts, mass immigration (but hecking legal) and so on. Only new thing were the tariffs and Trump implemented them so retardedly that I think they all were pulled back, probably the only thing he was allowed to do because the establishment knew tariffs would lead nowhere.
>>25414511He also retardedly implemented DOGE and then pulled it back
>>25410295>>25412145>>25412174Fascism is literally performance art that appeals to a small niche of theater kids/ sensitive young artistic men that are attracted to military uniforms and the concepts of death, heroism, dramatic bold actions from which there is no turning back etc
>>25415496>fascism is communismOk yeah and Hitler was Jewish
> dude fascism is political animals doing what they would do politicallyA shocking revelation
