any philosphers, and neitiens, any links to girard, comparitive anthropology, Joseph Campbell's "monomyth.", has he seen last airbender, has he seen evangelion original series, berserk, the perfect blue director's work, oh and also i wanted to know about ghost in the shell original, has he seen that requim for a dream, has he seen that?
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>>25410861PKDs Ubik definitely influenced Inception
This is what claude says to my questions: His documented literary influences start with Jorge Luis Borges, his most-invoked source (labyrinths, memory, nested realities — cited for Memento, Inception, and Tenet), and Graham Swift's novel Waterland, which he credits for his interwoven-timeframes structure. Memento also draws on Raymond Chandler and hardboiled noir; Inception and Tenet draw on Ian Fleming's Bond. The Prestige adapts Christopher Priest's novel, and The Dark Knight Rises is built on Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities, quoted at Bruce's grave. Oppenheimer adapts American Prometheus and puts the Bhagavad Gita and Eliot's The Waste Land on screen. And Homer is now confirmed first-hand canon: promoting The Odyssey, Nolan said Homer underpins the wider culture and his own films, including Interstellar and the Dark Knight trilogy. He read English literature at UCL, which is the through-line — his stated sources are novels, poems, and pulp, not theory.
>>25410862Probably this and maybe Jung. The Dark Knight was full of Jung everywhere.
>>25410861he’s a midwit that took “start with the classics” seriously, he doesn’t read anything modern ever
>>25410861His entire career is baffling. The man went from experimental masterpieces like Memento to the most shallow and bombastic movies ever like Inception. It was genuinely depressing finally seeing Inception and learning how retarded the average person had to be to think it was complicated and hard to follow. Long way of saying I doubt he has meaningful literary influences given his writing keeps getting worse somehow.
The Burghes fan part is interesting, I also like burges, here's a poem by him as detailed in https://granta.com/the-poem-in-the-pocket/:It's very interesting it was found in a Colombian Marxist's pocket after he was assassinatedYa somos el olvido que seremos.El polvo elemental que nos ignoray que fue el rojo Adán y que es ahoratodos los hombres, y que no veremos.Ya somos en la tumba las dos fechasdel principio y el término. La caja,la obscena corrupción y la mortaja,los ritos de la muerte, y las endechas.No onions el insensato que se aferraal mágico sonido de su nombre.Pienso con esperanza en aquel hombreque no sabrá que fui sobre la tierra.Bajo el indiferente azul del cieloesta meditación es un consuelo.Already we are the oblivion that we shall be.The elemental dust that does not know usAnd that was red Adam and that now isAll men, and that we shall not ever see.Already we are upon the grave both dates:The beginning and the end. Obscene decay,The casket and the shroud, the threnody,The funeral oration and death’s rites.I am not the fool who clings on hardTo the magic sound of his own name.I think with hope of my forgotten fame,Of those who will not know I lived on earth.Here beneath the sky’s indifferent blue,It calms my mind to think that this is true.
I'm going to research more the mind palace aspect claude mentioned too: >>25410880 as>labyrinths, memory, nested realities — cited for Memento, Inception, and Tenet
>>25410903>shallow and bombastic movies ever like InceptionWhy is it shallow, I can think of many reasons why it's not, Isn't it deep to question where people get their idea's from and isn't that the whole point of the movie?>“COBB: What do you want from us?>SAITO: Inception.>Arthur raises his eyebrows. Cobb is poker-faced.>SAITO: Is it possible?>ARTHUR: Of course not.>SAITO: If you can steal an idea from someone's mind, why can't you plant one there >instead?>ARTHUR: Okay, here's planting an idea: I say to you, "Don't think about elephants.">(Saito nods)>What are you thinking about?>SAITO: Elephants.>ARTHUR: Right. But it's not your idea because you know I gave it to you.>SAITO: You could plant it subconsciously->ARTHUR: The subject's mind can always trace the genesis of the idea. True inspiration is >impossible to fake.>COBB: No, it isn't.>SAITO: Can you do it?>COBB: I won't do it.>SAITO: In exchange, I'll give you the information you were paid to steal.>COBB: Are you giving me a choice? Because I can find my own way to square things with >Cobol.>SAITO: Then you do have a choice.>COBB: And I choose to leave.”He's making the point that every person has ideas from others, and that that if they "come up with them themselves" then they believe them more strongly
>>25410917You just reminded me that Inception probably has worse dialogue than the majority of "writers" here
>>25410861i dunno batman vs bane was pretty ok so maybe the batman books
>>25410923Yeah but what do you think of Nolan's point that he's trying to make? Certainly that's part of writing in addition to good dialogue
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>>25410954>literary
>>25410903I get the impression that his brother did a lot of the heavy lifting with the writing in the old Nolan movies.
>>25410917I'll grant the premise is interesting but I call it shallow because it utterly fails to say anything meaningful or actually explore that idea because everything takes a backseat to Cobb's trauma. That dialogue is just a setup that never delivers.
>>25410899that doesnt sound like taking much of anything seriously
>>25410903Lol b8
>>25411234Nope.
>>25411110>Cobb's traumahis trauma is caused by a time he tried to control his wife, so the moral there is basically the same as Obsession, you can't control someone, it's wrong. Which, yeah that's pretty simple
>>25410903Yep. The irony is that eXistenZ, which presents its alternate realities as a video game, is full of surreal, dreamlike imagery while Inception, which presents its alternate realities as dreams, is full of people running around shooting guns at each other.
>>25410903>experimental masterpieces like Memento
>>25410917>>ARTHUR: Okay, here's planting an idea: I say to you, "Don't think about elephants.">>(Saito nods)>>What are you thinking about?well im thinking about polar bears, because fuck you>if they "come up with them themselves" then they believe them more stronglywhich is some pseudo-deep bullshit that is exactly the kind of retarded deepity you only think makes sense if you're living in the pure television landscape hyperreality. you know how people act when they come up with ideas themselves? they act extremely insecure and uncertain, and spend all their time looking to see if other people have had the same idea or if they're crazy. people do not like coming up with ideas themselves, nor do they believe things they come up with on their own more strongly.although, people are extremely "good" at rationalizing ACTIONS after the fact, probably because our conscious minds have no idea why we do most of the things that we do so they're very used to itNolan movies kinda piss me off. All it takes is for ONE person to not follow the script, and the whole thing falls apart. What if ONE guy in Tenet had seen his future/past self coming out of the time chamber and decided "nah, I'm not going in there"?>b-but that couldn't have happened because then he couldn't have come out of the chamberThis kind of low IQ time travel retardation is also exactly what you get out of the television landscape hyperreality. People follow the script in movies, so they must follow it in reality too, therefore this should work! Even though anything that observes the world around it and makes predictions based on its observations would not follow this script. That's why all the tragic prophecy stories involve people who don't actually know what's going to happen beyond the conclusion. Yeah bro, your son ends up killing you if you abandon him on the mountain, so don't do that lol. Prophecy averted.All the Nolan shit is like that quote of his, where he's like "you can't add up 2 and 2 and get 4 because identical things don't exist". Like, he's kind of on the track to making a point, but then abandons it a fifth of the way through to just revel in retarded nonsense.
>>25411377Are you one of those people who couldn't follow what was happening until you watched it a second time?
Nolan filters plebs like it's going out of style. /tv/ as a board is one long trauma response to being filtered by him.
>>25411444Having an IQ above 90 is not what pleb means.
>>25411444Nolan turned the Odyssey from a story about hubris to a story about PTSD. He obviously didn't understand the Odyssey as a poem or Odysseus as a character.
>>25411234>le opinion I le disagree with is ...............le baitCan't tell if you're a Nolanbro or a Nolan hater.
>>25410880>This is what claude saysfucking retard
>>25413844Would claude not know what Nolan has publicly stated as his inspiration?
The Odyssey was a based movie about the decline of the West and you’re all fucking crazy for dismissing it.
>>25410923My one defense is that writing dialogue for the masses is an art form in itself. Now, does he always successfully do it? No, but dumbing down ideas is not as easy as it sounds
>>25414189My kills me is people calling it woke. Thematically it's pretty apolitical
>>25414397The story is not what makes it woke.
>>25414512How does the casting affect its message?
>>25414574if it doesn't affect its message then why not make it more accurate?
>>25414578If we're just going to ask endless questions, why does it need to be accurate to ancient greece
>>25410880your clanker is retarded
>>25410903Memento isn't deep and Inception isn't that shallow.
>>25414155>relying on AI to do his thinkingngmi
>>25414622why does it need to be accurate to anything? why not cast a woman as odysseus and a man as helen? why call it odysseus at all if it has nothing to do with the character or his story? why engage in this pointless sophistry?
>>25414834I mean, who's engaging in sophistry? The character's gender and the setting are two completely different things.I said, why does it need to be set in ancient greece? How does that affect the story?Just because it 's a greek myth? The story's the story, dude shakespeare's been adapted into, like fifty million different ways and the story fundamentally stays the same.
>>25414775>Memento isn't deepDidn't say it was. I said it was a good experiment.>Inception isn't that shallowIt has moments but it's far less than the average nolanbro will make it out to be.
>>25414853why does it need to be set in ancient greece? because the whole context of ancient greece is what makes the story. you remove some of that, like the fucking gods, and it becomes incoherent nonsense. to make an adaptation set NOT in ancient greece, you'd basically have to recreated ancient greece in a new setting but with a different aesthetic for some reason (which he doesn't do), in which case what's the point? I guess if you're making a cyberpunk odessy instead that'd at least be something, but whatever nolan's intended aesthetic was for this I have no idea because there doesn't seem to be one beyond making it dark and ugly.actually, I guess that is nolan's aesthetic. dark and ugly and making no sense. that's his "odyssey" perfectly described.and why can't you change odysseus into a woman and helen into a man? because it changes the whole character dynamic. they're completely different characters now, the story completely different. but if you don't care about CONTEXT, like all the cultural and biological reasons that make this the case, then why does it matter? you CAN have a female odysseus in that case. it would be an absolute porn-brained retard interpretation of the story, but it could at least work within that frame. and this is no different from, you know, let's make helen an ugly black woman (and make whatshisface mangle HER face because lmao why not, even though the whole point of abducting her is her face in its unmangled state), which is utterly impossible for the story to make sense for a myriad of reasons derived from the context. but when you change that context (along with the story) to be something completely different, then it obviously doesn't matter. heck, you can have odysseus be a fucking, ugh, I don't even know. what's the most absurd thing you could make him? a mosquito? odysseus is a mosquito and helen is... an apricot. who cares? when you're at this stage it doesn't matter.
