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Liberal feminism is a cope for attractive women who shout "girl power" to silence the voice in their heads that tells them they are just holes on legs.Radical feminism is a cope for ugly women who are resentful over not being chosen so they pretend all sex is degrading by default.Both are not wrong, but both base their entire ideology based on their looks and soical standing.
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>>25411350>both base their entire ideology based on their looks and soical standingLooks and social standing are two immensely important things which decide everything in life though
>>25411356Ad hominem
>>25411385I prefer to think of it as providing context
>>25411362Only for women and social elites.
Lol
>>25411395And for men
>>25411356She's got huge fucking dumdums
>>25411337I think Dworkin's theories about intercourse being automatically humiliating for the female are very intuitive. Female sexuality is masochistic and centered around enjoying a loss of dignity
>"The doctor who knows me best says that osteoarthritis begins long before it cripples—in my case, possibly from homelessness, or sexual abuse, or beatings on my legs, or my weight. John, my partner, blames Scapegoat, a study of Jewish identity and women's liberation that took me nine years to write; it is, he says, the book that stole my health. I blame the drug-rape that I experienced in 1999 in Paris."She somehow was still getting raped in 1999? I'm starting to think this woman is just mentally ill.
>>25411356honestly? based
>>25411449>being so fat both of your knees give out and you die in your 50s is basedYou must be American.
>>25411447Sounds unbelievable at first glance, but you have to remember that prior to the Internet there was a lot more irl interreaction among humans and thus more rape and sexual assault
>>25412081>interreactioninteraction*
>>25411430then why do incels exist?no greater loss of dignity than getting short stroked into orgasmic embarrassment.
>>25412102I don't get how your question relates to the post. Yes, being an incel is humiliating too because you are denied the male role of humiliating a woman (via sex) and owning her (via relationship).
>>25411449Obesity is bad
The entire ritual of "dating" just revolves around brainwashing and manipulating a woman to become your personal private lifelong pile of rapeflesh ("girlfriend" aka "wife"). I think this is why zoomers have such a hard time dating. We have become too aware of the fact that it all basically revolves around rape, and women are harder to fool nowadays because of increased access to information and increased access to guys who perform the rape ritual more convincingly than you do.
>>25411497>bringing up Americans out of nowhereZip it, Pablo.
>>25412815There's nothing wrong with rape.
>>25412815I think it's more to do with the fact that women are now physically more protected by the state and are allowed to make their own living, meaning they don't have to debase themselves for a man if they don't want to.
>>25412829A man should have the freedom to decide whether he wants to be father or not.
>>25412815The process of dating and maintaining a relationship is actually the opposite -- trying your best to really love another person, connect with them, and share everything of yourself and your life, only to be gradually worn down by them and the nature of the relationship until you can no longer see them as anything but more meaningless flesh with no use to you but sex, if you even still care about that.
>>25412845But the very beginning of starting a relationship -- meeting a woman, talking to her and seducing her, is indubitably rape-coded and predicated on the sheer gamble that she will appreciate the fact that you seek ownership of her body.
>>25412949Kek, not bad bait.
>>25413031It's not bait.
>>25411401As opposed to Pagila's most obvious problem, not being a gay pederast.
>>25411337a "lie" is a falsehood intentionally told in deception, so I'd agree, no liesthere's a lot of narcissistic delusional seething however
>>25412949My advice: Get over it.
>>25413048How
>>25411356>>25411337(Allegedly) raped woman, turns fat and manhating, writes books about how nobody should be having sex, that all penis in vagina sex is definitionally rape, etc.Women are great as usual and deserve to have sex and should probably just be lesbo spinsters with a cat collection.
>>25411362Congrats Klaviklar brainwashed you.
>>25412829>women are now physically more protected by the state and are allowed to make their own living,Those are also factors. Historically most sex was just men coercing women into it because of financial pressure and patriarchal cultural norms. What's crazy is that society still expects us to rape women even though they are now financially independent. It boggles my mind how girlfriend-having men still exist that aren't a part of the top-percenter caste of neurotypical extroverted socializers.
>>25413158*starts raping you*
>>25413165Aiiiiiieeeee!!! Stop it you brute!
>>25413155People love to pretend looks don't matter. If you dare to say that your looks have disadvantaged you in any way you are accused of having BDD, told you are perpetuating discrimination based on appearance by acknowledging its existence, etc. The truth is that not only will you struggle finding love, you will also find that fewer people want to be your friends or even spend time with you. People will be colder and more hostile to you, and will not give you the same opportunities as someone more attractive. In work, too, you will find discrimination. It is well-known that this is true for women, but it is true of men as well.>Researchers estimate that each additional centimeter of height is associated with a 1.30% increase in annual income. In other words, a person who is 5 feet 6 inches making $50,000 per year would expect to make about $2,000 more if they were 5 feet 7 inches, and $4,000 more if they were 5 feet 8 inches. Importantly, this estimation assumes other factors associated with earning potential — for instance, gender, age, years of schooling, and location — are held equal.Many don't like to admit it but being attractive gives you massive advantages in life, and people's dislike of unattractive people is probably at least somewhat innate and can't be completely gotten rid of.
>>25411356she would've probably ended up fine if she hadn't moved to the netherlands
>>25413041Her's was better.
>>25413158>>25413165>>25413167A play in three acts
>>25411337In the 90s it wasn't enough to just autistically remove the distinction between sex and rape to become a popular philosopher, right?
>>25413221It doesn't decide everything in life and you are free to improve your looks.
>>25413158Maybe it's because most women are dick-starved furies.
>>25413338It decides a whole lot. Saying it "doesn't decide everything in life" is a total evasion of my point. If I was crippled and stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of my life that wouldn't decide everything either, but it certainly would cause me a great deal of difficulty, and it would be absurd not to count it a great misfortune. I also resent greatly the implication that any issues are just a result of not working hard enough on one's appearance. Sometimes people have issues (particularly those relating to bone structure, as such defects are often difficult or impossible to correct) that are much harder to resolve than being overweight or having acne. Treating everything as a simple matter of effort and choice obscures the fact that matters out of one's control can produce issues that are difficult or impossible to correct. This is exactly what I meant when I said that people don't like to admit the advantages they gain from their appearance. They like to pretend that they look good and reap the benefits thereof because of hard work and their own virtues rather admitting that it was due in large part to luck.
>>25411430>>25411337It's what women want though. Women enjoy suffering emotionally and feeling vulnerable. Dworkin doesn't escape this, bitching about the patriarchy is part of her just enjoying feeling vulnerable. She has a tough masculine front because he's super ugly, that's all.
>>25411401Camille Paglia once again proving she is the only feminist worth listening to.
>>25411337>I was raped by a man>therefor any woman who has sex is humiliating themselves by enjoying rapeNon sequitur fallacy. I can't believe retards actually read and elevated this piece of shit.
>>25412815>>25412845>>25412949You two are just engaging in satirical LARP, right?You're not actually this brain damaged?
All heterosexual sex is rape and the thing about it is that women like this situation just as much as men do
>>25413619>All heterosexual sex is rapeObjectively untrue.
>>25411337I would be interested in feminism if it sought to hold women to male standards and accountability, equalizing the social privileges of gender roles, but I've never met a feminist that believes this. Interestingly, a lot of people that would consider themselves anti-feminist or conservative have actually internalized feminist morality, taking pride in being a provider for a woman who doesn't have to work, treating women as categorical victims, etc.
>>25412815"Dating" is a 20th century invention of feminist western countries. It's a bureaucratic mechanism where you bid assets for womb access until you've reached a price the woman is okay with. Women actually understand this and the transactional nature of romance a lot better than men do.
>>25413659>It's a bureaucratic mechanism where you bid assets for womb access until you've reached a price the woman is okay with.That would make sense, if dating was purely transactional in the sense of the highest bidder winning. If that were actually the case, we would see every single woman dating up, which doesn't happen. Even if you control for limited options, women routinely break up with or divorce men of lower or equal standing to that of other men.
>>25413673>break up with or divorce men to be with men of lower or equal standing to that of other menFixed.
>>25411337This is actually an interesting book and makes interesting arguments. People in this thread have either never read the book or incapable of reading philosophical viewpoints they might disagree with. She actually makes a really good arguments.Also she never says all sex is rape and this shows that all you fags literally haven't even read the wikipedia page for book.
>>25413673if a man is with (You) then he's automatically lower standing than a man that you'd want to be with you (you want him to be with you because he isn't) but who isn'tthere's also a lot of rock-paper-scissors shit going on inside people's heads. like, guy A is superior to guy B, who's superior to guy C, who's superior to guy A. and you're just standing there going "wtf?"then at some point you hopefully realize why binding contracts like actual marriage are necessary
>>25411356She chose to become fat out of her ideological rejection of eros and the flesh. Same as monk might starve themselves. Before that she was a petite cutie with a husband and a prostitute who had budding client list, she was capable of being an erotic being.
>>25411430For me, sex is about the free gift of my body to her, her free gift of her body to me, dissolving into each other, the dissolution of each of us into a unitive whole, holding her body while she orgasms, and erupting in her wet pussy.
>>25413647>treating women as categorical victimsThis has been the case since at least the Victorian period.>>25413673Take into account that women are retarded, that will explain any discrepancy.
>>25413676I've actually read the book. And it was absolutely awful. A large part of the book is just literary criticism. Is her reading of Woman in the Dunes idiosyncratic nonsense or the correct reading of the book, I don't know. And I don't think it matters. More importantly, I don't think her literary criticism is really relevant for real world male-female relations. Same goes for Tolstoy's personal life. The fact that he was a cheating piece of shit seems like an interesting factoid, but largely irrelevant.Large parts of the book are a bunch of bad history. Even for the time it was written it's filled with just wildly incorrect claims. Like the claim that 9 million women were killed in Europe for being witches. The real number is somewhere between 30-50 thousand people, not just women.And the last part of the book, where she's supposed to tie it all together and make sense of it all, is just more rambling where she doesn't say that all sex is rape, but instead compares heterosexual sex to Auschwitz. Her attitudes towards men are basically a mirror image to incels views towards women. Just a bit more deranged. Incels are of course ridiculed, while this nutcase is considered one of the most important and influential feminists of the 20th century.
>>25411350i'd recommend you read Xenofeminism by Helen Hester. i'm a straight white man (male) and read it to see what they were babbling about and when i have brought it up to women they get annoyed by the points it raises and it's concepts. one of the points is that womens main oppressions is from the womans own bodies. that nature has itself oppressed women by giving them a female body. this does not go down well in conversation. these ladies don't like to hear it.
>>25414004Based, but Dworkin would probably call that rape.
>>25412114The point is that sex with incels is even more humiliating than sex with Chad, so women should seek out incels to be truly humiliated.
>>25413984Becoming obese is just surrendering to your most basic instincts. There is nothing brave or impressive about constantly gorging yourself.
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>>25414281Whos the milf?
>>25414983You engorge yourself on your father's dick everyday
>>25413984>She chose to become fat out of her ideological rejection of eros and the flesh. Same as monk might starve themselves.Genuinely based. Shaping your body into unnatural standards to better fit your principles is peak human will-to-power.
>>25414983Nope, there are people with fast metabolisms who can eat all they want without getting fat. Most people can't get larger than a bit chubby. To get into that humongous size requires a deliberate enforcement of a fat fuck lifestyle
>>25415104ironic statement given dworkin's stance on incest
>>25414526Because women want their partners to be superior to them. They want a man who's smarter than them, taller than them, more popular than them, with better earnings and a more stable job than them, etc.Incels are social rejects so they turn women off because women want to be fucked by a superior being. Being fucked by an incel would be humiliating but not in a sexual way which is streamlined and more "controlled" in terms of power relations, since a man should ideally be in every way more powerful and superior to a woman in order to pleasure her.
>>25415127>Nope, there are people with fast metabolisms who can eat all they want without getting fat. Most people can't get larger than a bit chubby. A very convenient lie told by fats, up there with the classic thyroid condition excuse. They see some regular person eating a big dinner and assume that they eat like that all the time and miraculously don't gain weight, when really the supposed metabolism mutant just stays mildly active and eats large amounts of food only occasionally.
>>25411337Heterosexuality is an act of violence, an act through which one party is reduced to a status of subordination. Brutish, ugly, nasty, ego satisfaction of the male and reducing the female to subject. There can be no equality in sexuality as the very nature of the act is rooted in domination, the expression of power, and the control of the body.
>>25414445You are not wrong.First wave feminism began during the times when women gave birth like crazy, from 7 to 10 babies during their lifetime. Most adult women spent most of their life either pregnant or breastfeeding, all the while seeing some of their kids die, getting railed by their husbands, and doing grueling domestic labor. Now, it took a toll on the female body, making them extremely malnourished and anemic. Women back then were borderline retarded mostly because they were too ill and zonked out to think straight. Feminism itself is born from that reality and its woven in feminism's DNA.Now, women in modern age are more healthy and independent, but the collective memory of that female reality still exists and looms over women like a shadow. They know that if they lose their rights, financial independence, and access to healthcare, its back to popping babies non-stop while working a backbreaking job. The Handmaiden Tale is a prime example of that. Modern female lifestyle is only propped up by our current political system which itself is a massive house of cards, and women are the main enforcers of this system because they have a lot to lose.
>>25415127>Most people can't get larger than a bit chubby.Lmao go to literally anywhere in America and you will see how stupid this statement is. You can see a horde of Dworkins in every Walmart.
>>25415163>A very convenient lie told by fatsIt's not. Some people just have shitty genetics where they can't get away with overeating at all without gaining weight. These same people also lack the will power/common sense to completely avoid slop and end up obese. So yeah, a minority of people are blessed with the genetic ability to consume massive amounts of food without becoming a fat pig while others gain 3lbs if they eat junk food a few times in one week. As people age they're more susceptible to gaining weight though.
>>25412829>women are now physically MARRIED TO the state >and are FORCED to make their own living, >meaning they don't have to debase themselves for a SUB 8 MALEftfy but good postthey also dont even have to have childrenlmao
>>25415195That's because cheap easy to prepare food is dense in calories while also being not very filling. Combine that with jobs that involve sitting for most of the day and you end up with a lot of obese people. Also, spics and blacks really skew the data--something like 80% of black women are obese.
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>>25413647>a lot of people that would consider themselves anti-feminist or conservative have actually internalized feminist moralityIt's usually the nationalist types who are obsessed with migrant rapes
>>25414281This absolutely monomaniacal focus on the Holocaust is something that couldn't have been written in any decade other than the 90s.
