So I'm rereading Ulysses now and I am pretty sure Molly Bloom is just supposed to be fat. You see a bit of cope about this, about how she's voluptuous or buxom or whatever, but going over the book a third time, no, I think she's just straight-up fat. She gets called a "fat heap" in "Cyclops" by the debt collector guy. And even in "Penelope" she tells herself she needs to lay off the beer because her gut's getting too big.Not to mention she's a singer, and something of an opera singer at that, and you know how they get.
having sex with fat women was a very gay thing to do in 1900s european cosmopolitan circles. there was a technique, spread by orientalists derived from turkish manuscripts which were imperfect copies of hindu sex rituals>the man lies down naked ass up>the woman (significant girth is required) straddles him from behind>she skillfully inserts a thumb into the anus while squeezing the balls>applies rhythmic pressure from the hips and thrusting motion from the hand>chokes with the free hand, arching the man backwards>until completionthis was the closest gays got to having sex, before they rediscovered how to bum each other in the trenches of ww1 (by observing rats doing homosexual favors for access to decomposing corpses). the technique was called a Bloomer, and molly was a common street term for a prostitute, the skilled ones who were heavy and strong enough could perform a bloomer, and obviously her character is an inside joke.
>>25412001What, so Bloom's supposed to be gay, or closeted?That WOULD kind of fit with how feminized he gets in "Circe"...
>>25412026i believe gay identity is a presentism we are reading into the text, which when written was steeped in a tradition (hundreds of years) which excused unmarried older men adventuring together with younger male companions as a perfectly normal and masculine thing to do, including sleeping together for warmth. the opposite sexes were more explicitly segregated, and same sex attraction was filtered through the classics and understood as agape, philia or pragma. male nudity was more common and accepted when no women were around. nude wrestling was common horseplay. we know from private letters that eros was a component of these relationships, but this is due to modern historians going into the archives and revealing this, pornographic art was filtered through the lens of nude studies, and the sexual abuse inside boarding schools was a closeted secret. weimar berlin was an explosion of gender and sexual experimentation, joyce like many of his fellow travelers partook and probably was heavily influenced by the drug and sex scenes there. to this day outside of se asia and brazil berlin is a major attractor for sexual deviants. "gay" is more of a 1960s thing, invented as a political movement to push for a counter communist revolution, probably cooked up by the us intelligence agencies, and then in the late 80s and 90s with the aids crisis it became a more visible and identifiable thing. we've been steeped in gay culture for nearly 40 years now and it was mainstreamed in the mid 00s with tv shows and movies, but it's largely a fabricated or commercial product. a lot of gay men are married, have children, and keep a gay lifestyle on the downlow, and this behavior will continue forever i imagine. now my thesis herein presented is hard to substantiate. nominally the only people interested in tracing the birth of gay culture are complete faggots who want to read their identity as an integral human archetype present across all cultural spaces and times rather than a commodity invented by a cynical political apparatus paranoid about class consciousness and uncertain about the threat of centrally planned economic models. i imagine my position is neither original nor popular, you could probably use AI to investigate it further. but i will give you my best to explain how someone like joyce would have seen sexuality: it was more like tasting exotic food and developing a habit for it, rather than a social or personal identifier. the modern and early postmodern thinkers still saw themselves in the traditional lens by what their profession was, rather than what they enjoyed doing. the concept that you would discuss your hobbies or interests with someone would have been seen as gauche, you would invite them to participate in activities together, and you would spend hours or weeks in letter writing to each other, agonizing over every word. we lost the mask society with the spread of americanism, now people just say what they think.
>>25412001>>25412065Fascinating posts
>>25412001>this was the closest gays got to having sex, before they rediscovered how to bum each other in the trenches of ww1 (by observing rats doing homosexual favors for access to decomposing corpses). Either we have a genius in our midst, or someone has discovered how to persuade ChatGPT to take cocaine. Or both.
>>25411971I wish women like in the picture existed in real life.
>>25412026Cuckoldry is rooted in homosexuality. Both the cuck and the bull gain sexual gratification by adding another man into the mix.
