>big things coming!
don't post your plans dude, post the result

>>25419510
just use ai to write it

Excellent choice of subject matter, OP. There's a shortage on hot takes on trannies, and I'm sure your perspective will shine a new light on the issue unlike the hundred million who came before. I think this dead horse could do with an extra flogging or two and you're just the bright spark to do it.

>>25419553
The tide is turning tranny. Normies are increasingly against puberty blockers. And now that "common standard practice" is to prescribe puberty blockers to children, people are seeing what kind of sick pedo groomer freaks trannies like you are. You're on the wrong side of history. Rope before the rope of the mob comes for you.

>>25419510
you will literally not find a single transgender person who thinks they are changing their sex. They WANT to change their sex.
>transgender actually means transsexual in our society, and thus the term is logically inconsistent rendering the whole transgender movement nonsensical
According to literally who?
Why don't you imagine that transgender actually means transgender. Then it isn't inconsistent. Now what the fuck do you have to say about trannies? nothing.

>>25419560
>imagine
That's the problem idiot. Also, why don't transgender people refer to themselves as transsexual after their sex changes? Words mean things. It's important we agree upon them, especially when the word is a mish-mash of existing well-defined words. Grow up tranny.

>>25419566
>why don't transgender people refer to themselves as transsexual after their sex changes
they don't change their sex
>'s important we agree upon them
you're intentionally taking it to mean the opposite of what it means and then imagining you've found a contradiction, lol.

>>25419560
>Oh yeah chud? So what if we've made transgender mean transsexual in common parlance and law and medical practice these day?
>Why don't you just pretend transgender means transgender instead of transsexual? That would fix your problem
Amazing cogitations from the far-left. It's almost like that is the whole farcical issue I'm pointing out. I will not let the wool be pulled over mine or others' eyes.

>>25419573
Then why is it called a sex change operation. Define gender. Hint, it's not biological in nature. So when you change biology in your pursuit of trannydom you cease to be transgender.

>>25419583
>Then why is it called a sex change operation
it isn't. It's called a gender affirming surgery now.

>>25419586
What do puberty blockers and cross-SEX hormones have to do with gender?

>>25419590
gender is related to sex characteristics. transgenders want the sex characteristics of the opposite sex. that doesn't mean anyone thinks they are actually changing their sex.

transgenderism is a jewish disease inflicted upon the beauty of natural homosexuality, like wants like. The jew hates the strong masculine gay man

>>25419557
You care what normies think? Faggot.

>>25419594
How are clothes and fashion sex characteristics if clothes are gendered? Seems illogical of you.

>>25419607
huh? I never said those were sex characteristics. I said transgenders want the sex characteristics of the opposite sex. Nowhere does that sentence imply that they can't also want the gender characteristics of the opposite gender.

Poor OP, he read Montaigne but didn't understand a word.

>>25419612
How does wanting sex characteristics not make you a transsexual? You've never addressed this. All you're doing is agreeing me but phrasing it as if you don't agree with me. Explain what a transsexual is. I've noticed you've been avoiding this. How are transsexual and transgender distinct?

Faggot.

>>25419612
You said gender is related to sex characteristics as a way to imply puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and sex changes are gender things. I'm asking how clothes and fashion are related to sex characteristics by your definition of gender. Clothes and fashion have nothing to do with sex characteristics. I'm asking you to square this with your definition of gender since clothes and fashion are gendered. If you can't logically square this, then you are wrong and the points you are fallaciously making are unfounded.

>>25419643
Transsexual is an outdated term that confuses people like you. I don’t care what it means.
In theory, it just means transgender. It’s only used by older trans people who don’t want to be associated with new trans people because they think only they are “really” trans.
You seem to think that transsexual means someone who changes their sex. No one thinks they can change their sex. Transsexual may mean someone who WANTS to change their sex. There is nothing self contradictory in this.

>>25419649
> I'm asking how clothes and fashion are related to sex characteristics
I didn’t say clothes and fashion are related to sex. I said GENDER is related to sex. Gender is a social construct but one that also includes sexual characteristics inside it. The physical characteristics of women are also associated with the social construct of femininity, the idea of womanhood people have in their heads. Clothes don’t derive from sex, but they contribute to an overall sense of womanhood that female sex characteristics also contribute to.

>>25419643
>posts a gay pic
>it's the others that are faggots

>>25419664
Clothes are gendered. You said gender is related to sex characteristics. Square it.

>>25419723
Gender is related to sex because it’s as social construct, a cultural idea, it incorporates sexual characteristics into it. Clothes are also gendered because they also contribute to that idea. What’s hard to understand?

>>25419601
True. Its a mix of weakening the homos and trying to mix the genders so the "fairer sex" (women) gets in and destabilizes everything.

>>25419729
Still haven't explained how transsexual and transgender are different. Your pedantic claim of trannies WANT to change sex is stupid since trannies themselves claim to be born in the wrong bodies, and furthermore since they claim to be women or men in a biological sense.
>Um no they don't
Yes they do. That's why trannies always try to argue brain scans as proof of being born in the wrong body. They claim that biologically they have the brain of the sex they claim to be.

Fuck off troll.

I want to smell his pubes

>>25419594
>>25419664
Such a good reminder of how regressive this all is. They don't even transition into women, they transition into sexbots.

It's hilarious how no one says a peep about transmen. That's because they seem to blend in just fine. What transwomen have is male entitlement. They will never shake that off no matter how much estrogen they take.

I love how heterosexual incels know so much about transexuality.

>>25419851
>heterosexual men know nothing about women
Just say you're gay next time.

>essay in the style of montaigne
if your topic is a take on transgenderism you should read more montaigne
read his essay of cannibals and come back

>>25419858
I'm not OP.

>>25419860
I did. It was lib-coded.
>Savages are actually more moral than us because we wage war

>>25419867
its about moral relativism and not being hypocritical
if you want to write in the style of montaigne you should approach transgenderism in the same way. sadly, if you did, you would come to realize that, by and large, we are all engaging with gender in the same exact way that someone trans does, which is, that we seek to perform our role within society as it aligns with how we see ourselves and how we see those who look like us, and how we understand gender roles to work.

>>25419897
moral relativism can't be applied to one distinct body idiot
you can't use moral relativism to argue for trannydom in a society where trannydom is fringe and socially deviant
you would need trannydom to be the norm in a second society separate from ours
that society doesn't exist
ergo moral relativism doesn't apply

nice try tranny

>>25419897
Montaigne was also deeply Christian. He would be against biologically changing the way God made you. His longest essay is about God and the nature of mankind. Did you forget that tranny? Montaigne would view your kind as an unholy abomination for your transgressions against nature.

Checkmate tranny.

>>25420458
i didnt even say anything that was about relativism in my approach to transgenderism, just that in attempting to deconstruct what is going on in the phenomenon of transgenderism is a universal truth that everyone must cope with
>>25420465
im not arguing that he would agree with that, in the same way that he doesn't think that europeans should be cannibals. simply that they are engaging with gender the same way that you are engaging with gender, i.e., that it is a construct that is largely helpful to how society operates and we must find our place within it.
>your kind
im not trans im simple able to hold two thoughts in my mind at the same time

>>25420564
You still haven't contended with this
>A transsexual person is an individual whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth and who typically desires or undergoes a physical transition using medical treatments like hormone therapy or surgery
Meanwhile
>Transgender is a term used to describe people whose gender identity or expression differs from the sex they were assigned at birth
The word transgender means nothing when it actually means transsexual as far as the movement is concerned. The standard medical procedure (in America) has now become medical intervention before puberty starts. There's a reason the movement has forced this shift and convinced goons like you that transsexual is problematic. Enjoy being on the wrong side of history and supporting child abuse.

FYI, is being transgender meant being transgender, I wouldn't have a problem or feel the need to speak out. But it means being transsexual these days. That's problematic and your LGBT overlords recognize that and that's why their trying to force the vocabulary shift.

>>25419510
This entire thread is word games. Moving on to more important matters - I’m in love with the painting. Who is it?

>>25419510
That painting is incredibly gay.

>>25419526
>Research led by psychologist Peter Gollwitzer shows that telling others your plans creates a premature sense of completeness, tricks your brain with a cheap dopamine reward, and reduces the drive needed to do the actual work.
Kek, OP is fucked.

>>25420956
Yes. The point I will drive at in my essay is that the tranny word game is an insidious tactic to sell an extreme, fringe, and irreversible lifestyle to naive, vulnerable children under the guise of "we're just breaking gender norms! let us be who want to express ourselves as!" These are two wildly different lifestyles and ways of being, but the more extreme one is being sold as what the mild one truly is. It's dangerous.

>>25420956
>>25420957
kek

>>25420967
I don’t think straight males appreciate how good looking he is. I’d love to see him in slightly tight but still comfortable boxer briefs - keep the painting at pg-13 but accentuate his package. He seems to have that REI employee/climbing gym look. Most straight males probably think he’s slightly nerdy looking and can’t pull girls and maybe they’re right but for me that’s the type of dude I go apeshit for.

Sorry to OP to distract this thread and sorry to straight males if I disturb you with my writing. I

>>25420939
where is it written that transgender means transsexual in the majority of instances used? without evidence of such i dont think we can continue to have a meaningful argument.
under the assumption that it is true, the problem seems to be one of autonomy in your case? in that children shouldnt make those decisions? or is the problem that they are changing their bodies?
you must first establish that there is a unifying voice in which "Transgender" necessitates "Transsexual" and also that this must result in undergoing medical operations.
fwiw I dont agree that hormone therapy would be equivalent to surgery so i would need you to argue that point as well. my boy doesnt make protein on its own, and i see that as a necessity for my physique, ergo i supplement it

>>25421010
https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/difference-between-transgender-and-transsexual#what-to-use
kys
>hormone therapy isn't equivalent to surgery because ummmm I need protein
Why is a testosterone suppressant supplied to trannies who blast estrogen? Think about you disingenuous troll, and then maybe you'll understand why your protein argument is absolutely retarded.

>>25421025
the link is not an authority that gives a unified voice that says
>when we say "transgender" we mean "transsexual"
furthermore, the link itself says that one doesn't imply the other.
>think about it, troll
this is not a convincing argument.
To be more precise, how does this relate to people who use steroids to gain more muscle mass? They add testosterone and then suppress additional estrogen that their bodies naturally make. Is using steroids equivalent to being transsexual?

>>25419510
>I'm writing an essay in the style of X
ngmi

>>25421038
>the trans and lgbt community say don't use transsexual
>>UMMMMM THAT'S NOT A UNIFIED VOICE??????

>>ummmm what about testosterone and weightlifters
INTENT MATTERS TRANNY.

>>25421062
the article simply saying "the community says x" is not a legitimate way to establish the rest of your argument.
>intent matters
explain why intent matters?
>no response to "under the assumption that it is true, the problem seems to be one of autonomy in your case? in that children shouldnt make those decisions? or is the problem that they are changing their bodies?"
why not actually respond to a question about the argument?

>>25420991
I think he looks gay and retarded. "Ripped" body with zero body hair and a boyish face looks fucking stupid and asymmetrical.

>>25420962
OP is cooked. Stop talking and start doing, buddy.

>>25421106
>Why does intent matters
You tried to claim men injecting steroids to gain muscle makes them transsexual. Ludicrous, simply ludicrous, as the intent is not to change gender or sex. Fucking idiot.

>address my stupid point.
Yes to both. Children can't consent. Medically changing your body when there is no physical ailment is retardation, bad, and against nature.
>hurrr what about bodybuilding without steroids
I foresee, your retardation, retard. Working out is not a medical intervention. Fuckwit.

>>25421138
Sorry I see straight males appreciate about 24 years old with slightly receding hairline. He doesn’t seem retarded - in fact I’m going with physics or mechanical engineering major. Slightly sensitive and introverted type - will probably marry Asian girl.

I give a 10/0 - I like most men tho so maybe I’m too easy. To stay somewhat relevant to this thread can you imagine having something as perfect as a penis and not wanting it. I understand ftm but who wouldn’t want to be a male.

>>25419510
The OP who makes threads with variations of this image is a degenerate faggot who just want wants to talk about twinks and butt sex.

>>25421238
Look how many threads have beautiful women on them. And then you get butthurt when there’s a good looking man on one. Why are straight males like this?

>>25421252
I'm sure your frustrated desire for cute boys is very literary unlike those stinky incels threads.

>>25421260
Absolutely - how do you think Melville wrote chapters 3 and 4. My desire is borne out of pleasing him. The straight male desire is borne out of pleasing himself. That’s the difference.

>>25419583
Gender as defined by leftists doesn’t exist. There are gender norms. That’s it.

>>25421169
>swear words, saying "retard," and believing in god
wow you are really cool and your arguments are really strong. good luck with the montaigne essay clearly youre close in style

>>25421454
>the way I write on 4chan is the same as I write everywhere
Retard. I doubt you can read at all if you're this stupid

>>25421454
>"against nature" equates to belief in God
Who's gonna tell xir?

>>25420962
i just learned from a course that telling others about your goals motivates you

>>25419510
All this tranny shit is starting to sound like the debates that they had at Nicene and Calcedon.
>A tranny is simultaneously tranny and woman in both spirit and body (Orthodox Trannyism)
>There is man, woman, and a third gender, all are separate (Arian Trannyism)
>A tranny is spiritually a woman but biologically a man (Nestorian Trannyism)
>A tranny is fully a woman, not even trans. (Monophysite Trannyism)

We’ve even gone a bit past that bit of history:
>Trannyism is ultimately subordinated to the omnicause (BIPOC, Feminism, Palestine, etc) due to apostolic succession descending from the original 1960s woke activist movements. (Tranny Catholicism)

>>25419510
Apparently this painting is called the boxer. Personally I’d rather sword fight than box. Apparently it’s owned by a private collector. Wonder who?

>>25421047

>"I bring not peace, but a sword," saith the Book of God, and methinks I have heard the very same boast, though dressed in stranger vestments, from those who call themselves neither man nor woman, laughing that harshest of laughs from atop their chariot of conquest, riding high over the customs of our age. And all this unbeknownst to those simple souls, "anons," as they are curiously named, who have asked for nothing more, these many years, than to keep the world turning as it once did: when a man might step from his own door and not find the rainbow perched upon every shopfront and hung even, it seems, from the clouds themselves.

>>25419510
I’m going to settle this debate once and for all. I’m not read into the corpus of trans literature so the ideas I express are actually ORIGINAL.

1. There exists a set of biological and psychological qualities by which one judges themselves and others to be male or female.

2. Every person possesses some of each. This is the important piece.

For example some men have very little body hair. Some women have small breasts. Some men like to knit and make quilts. Some women like to climb trees. Some men have low voices etc….

This set of qualities is how we make determinations of who is a man and who is a woman.

By 1,2 we can see that it’s not possible to define an exact point or set of qualities that makes someone a man or someone a woman. We can compare two people and say that someone is more manly or more feminine.

It’s like asking yourself if a hamburger is a sandwhich - sure it technically is but a ham and cheese has more sandwhich qualities. Or ham& cheese > hamburger > hotdog > lettuce wrap even though all of these have sandwhich qualities.

Same with people. So if we’re talking a man you might order by manliness as follows.

Heterosexual male in the military who likes Home Depot and football > heterosexual office worker married with 2 girls > homosexual male who is straight acting > effeminate gay male > bio male who doesn’t pass but is transgender > butch lesbian > married heterosexual women with flat chest > beautiful lesbian with daddy issues > average looking heterosexual female > beautiful heterosexual female with child raising hips etc…

It’s all a spectrum. All this discussion is just word games about definitions but all humans have duality to them and our brains make instant decisions on where to place people and then fight in the transition zones.

All of this can be boiled down to arguing whether a particular crayon should be called green-blue instead of blue-green

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>>25419510
Amis answered your essai over thirty years ago.

>>25424185
Sure, it's a discrete spectrum of 2, where there's either XX or XY and in every variation thereof you know if the Y appears it's a male, if it doesn't it isn't. Now put that shit up your you tranimal

>>25424185
trvke
>>25425271
fluke

>>25424185
A man is an adult human male, and a woman is an adult human female. Holy fuck, dude, It's literally three words.
>b-but what is a """male"""?
the one that has the motile gamete you fucking cretin
>b-but what if I lost my balls??
then you're a cum-less, impotent male, congrats
>but what if I never had either???
then you're neither, CONGRATS you genetic freak. you can pretend to be whichever one you manage to trick people into thinking that you are, and people will treat you that way out of politeness NOT out of correctness

I can't believe this shit has taken you fucking retards 20+++ years of hysterical and very public screeching to NOT be able to work out yet.

literally takes fucking 20 seconds to sort out

>>25425479
You’re just autistic who struggles with understanding nuance. I even bet you’re ocd.

What you fail to realize is that when people say someone is male and female they don’t necessarily refer to the strict definition of their sexual organs. Moreover people don’t walk around naked so we can’t really tell.

When people want this type of specificity they often say/write biological male or biological female.

The fact that you have difficulties with nuance of language suggests that you should probably read more.

>>25425271
You’re autistic. That’s not what most people mean when they say man or woman. People are referring to both biological and basically qualities of gender.

Am I supposed to ask everyone for a blood test before identifying them?

And shouldn’t how the person wants to be identified or how they identify themselvesbe taken into consideration?