>Read Bible>Start to believe in Jesus>Time to choose a Church denominationWait...
>>25420640You don't have to choose any of them. Jesus' teaching is largely incompatible with all denominations.
>believing in jesus because of the bibleholy kek
>>25420640Be honest with me. What makes you feel or think that a middle eastern Jewish rabbi is the God of all existence?
>be christian>read bible>realize it's all completely retarded
>>25420640It's a hard choice. A lot of it comes down to your understanding of theology and what you think the purpose of a Church is. I attend a denomination I don't 100% align with because I feel the value of Church is community first because if we're by our self we can't really live the teachings of Christ fully. Since forgiveness is a big one I see my disagreements as part of the test and my own personal growth in understanding the way.
>>25420669Not OP, but precisely because of comments like yours. 1 Corinthians 1:27-28.
>>25420706Why Jesus but not Buddha, Mohamed or Hiduism?
>>25420706>"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are."This is not an argument. It's literally saying "people disproving this book actually PROVE this book! Haha I win!". It also states a contradiction.Christians are retarded. You're all genuine morons.
>>25420640Churches are for communication, analysis, and community, things we've largely found other solutions for in the modern age. It's not worth all the downsides/It's worth nothing that many of the arguments against churches can (and should) be applied to the bible. Many of the books of the new testament were written centuries after Jesus lived and died, and then later it was decided which of the many texts didn't count and were discarded to keep a more consistent and teachable canon.Let the bible introduce you to Jesus and God, but keep your relationship personal, and reflect on his teachings more than anything human constructed.
>>25420640denominations are all the same, this guy here is your antiChrist (in the place of Christ)
>>25420781>and community, things we've largely found other solutions for in the modern agewhere do i bring cookies and let my bb run around with the other bb's? at the school of sodomitism?
>>25420669Because Christ on the cross is the most powerful and devastating religious symbol I've ever encountered and I've never been so emotionally, mentally and spiritually affected by anything in my life. Nothing compares.
>>25420765>t's literally saying "people disproving this book actually PROVE this book!No, it is literally not stating that, what are you talking about? Furthermore, you didn't disprove anything. You asked a smug question why a Jewish rabbi would also be God. That verse tells you exactly the reason: God chose a foolish thing in order to make a fool of you. You're the moron here, but you don't know it.
>Read the bible>Miss the entire point of Jesus teachings>Try to join a group to misunderstand them togetherMany MANY such cases.
>>25420709Fulfilled prophecy, i.e. the ability to predict the future correctly. That is the specific challenge that the God of the Bible, who is Jesus, mounts again all the rest of the gods so-called (see Isaiah 41:21-29 for an example of this). Jesus fulfills prophecies going thousands of years back and will fulfill prophecies still to come. Muhammad, despite being called a prophet, couldn't prophesy for shit (I think there's one actual prophecy in the Qur'an, and it's a 50-50 situation), same goes for Buddha and the Hindu gods.
>>25420706When a superior man hears of the Tao,he immediately begins to embody it.When an average man hears of the Tao,he half believes it, half doubts it.When a foolish man hears of the Tao,he laughs out loud.If he didn’t laugh,it wouldn’t be the Tao.
>>25420821>Fulfilled prophecy, i.e. the ability to predict the future correctly.https://web.archive.org/web/20190704065822/http://www.xenosystems.net/gnon-theology-and-time/"What it entails, unambiguously, is time-travel, in the strong sense of reverse causation, although not necessarily in the folk/Hollywood variant (which has also had serious defenders) based on the retro-transportation of physical objects into the past. *Knowledge of the future is indistinguishable from counter-chronic transmission of information*. This is perhaps the single most critical insight in realistic time-travel research — we’ll get back to it.To accelerate this discussion with bloggish crudity, on a heading out of Gnon-Theology into Occidental religious history (and to the possibility of sleep), we can jump to one simple, certain, and secure conclusion: *No Christian can consistently deny the reality of time-travel*. The objection ‘if (reverse) time-travel if possible, where are the time-travellers?’ is annulled by the Christian revelation itself. Messianic Incarnation (of God or eternity for-itself), along with all true prophecy, providential history, and answered prayer, instantiates time-travel with technical exactitude. There can be no truth whatsoever to the Christian religion unless time-travel has fundamentally structured human history. Whatever else Christianity might be, it is a time-travel story, and one that at times appears to be peculiarly lacking in clear self-understanding.(Time-travel, it should perhaps be noted explicitly, has no obvious dependency on Christianity, or even upon the God of Gnon-Theology. That is a topic for other occasions.)"
>>25420674No one aligns 100% with a denomination., as long as you gather together in the name of following Christ (not to find a tradwife or whatever) then I would assume it's a worthy church.
>>25421110>time travelThis must be a shitpost.
>>25421120I repeat:>There can be no truth whatsoever to the Christian religion unless time-travel has fundamentally structured human history. Whatever else Christianity might be, it is a time-travel storyEither you accept christcuckery, and by extension time-travel.Or, you deny time-travel, and by extension christcuckery.There can be no in-between.
>>25420674This. Gaytheists and parasitic jews do not understand.
I’d consider myself a deist, I love the Bible and I love Jesus but I can’t bring myself to believe he rose from the dead.
>>25420803kek that pic was my experience growing. I didn't even know that other Christian denominations existed as a kid, I just assumed every church had a baptism tub on stage that you get dunked into on occasion.
>>25420640The moment they declare themselves the true church they have failed.The churches cannot tell you any more than what Jesus said.
>>25420640What Church/ denomination are you leaning towards?
>>25421145You know God exists outside of time, right? And this would extend to all persons of the Trinity
>>25420709did Buddha die for me? Did Mohammed? No.Chriatianity is special because righteousness is a team effort. As an analogy: when students do a group project in school, everyone just relaxes while that one guy does all the work. And yet, every student in that group gets an A, not just the one dude carrying the project all on His own.In every non-Christian position, it's all individual based. Just because Buddha "attained enlightenment" or "achieved nirvana" doesn't mean he's going to rip a piece off and give me some of it. Mohammed isn't smuggling me into Heaven. Only Jesus is.Jesus is Lord.
>>25420765>literally saying "people disproving this book actually PROVE this book! that's the point. the Bible is "meta-complete".just read it.
>>25421110>xenosystemsis my boy outsidedness finally taking the christpill? nice>christianity = time travel>Whatever else Christianity might be, it is a time-travel story, and one that at times appears to be peculiarly lacking in clear self-understanding.check picrel
>>25420672"retarded" means slowed"completely retarded" means unchanging, eternal, unmoved.
>>25421203have you existed forever? no. you used to not exist. now you do. you can't explain that.how is it that your non-existence didn't last forever?Jesus is Lord.
>>25421690>You know God exists outside of time, right?You know there is chronological time and aeonic time (plato's eternity), right? The question is whether the plane of immanence can reverse the link and affect the aeonic time in turn.Capitalism solves the Y2K problem, making billions of computers synchronize with each other, i.e. deepening the chronos, i.e. producing time.Whatever emerges, forces on us in turn various films about terminators and shit, so that we would be affected/inspired from the outside, thus influenced to move the timeline into that particular direction.Goal-orientedness, per Aristotle, is a future-oriented action (it moves from future to past). Thus, information is transmitted counter-chronically. Thus capital invades from the future and builds itself in the past.
>>25420672It's not, it's just mistranslated and redacted.The old testament is a history book theologians and translators exploited and manipulated to control people.
>>25420811>another goy takes the bait
>>25420640>Read Peter Pan>Start to believe in Neverland>Time to choose between Pirates and Indians
>>25421693>implying Jesus' """death""" meant anything when he knew he was bound for everlasting life
>>25421699The word you're looking for is "unfalsifiable."
>>25421723I love it when godtards try to do logic
>>25422060>pic
>>25422130I know you don't have the capacity, but what did you want to hear?
>>25420640>Time to choose a Church denominationPretty sure the Bible doesn't say this so where are you getting this step from? You should already have your beliefs and values directly from the Bible itself if doing it right.
>>25420640Take the Quakerpill
>>25423072There's no such thing as getting your Christian values directly from the Bible. The new Testament is a collection of texts that contradict each other. It is impossible to develop a coherent set of values from the Bible texts alone and that's why so many different denominations exists. Believing that you can get your beliefs and values from the Bible alone is in itself a sectarian point of view that the oldest surviving churches don't even endorse. Even the pastors who proclaim this idea will themselves be the first ones who fight you if you try to argue for a different interpretation of the biblical texts than their own.
>>25423409>contradict each otherI've haven't seen a blatant direct contradiction yet. At best I've seen inferred contradictions that could be argued either way. Do you have any examples?t. agnostic
Literally impossible. Reading the bible only creates atheists. It's why religious studies and theology are considered the graveyard of faith.
>>25423617Jesus proclaims to be the Messiah, the long-awaited King of the Jews, the supreme authority on earth for those who believe. The man whose commands should be obeyed even if that obedience amounts to persecution and death:John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.Matthew 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life f will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.Paul, on the other hand, places the obedience to the false kings and authorities of the earth at the same level as the obedience to God, and goes as far as saying that none will be persecuted except the unrighteous:Romans 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
>>25423955Jesus also said to render into Caesar what is Caesar's. Both are saying to obey early rulers as long as they don't contradict morality and God.Paul was also imprisoned for preaching Christianity so obviously he's not saying what you're trying to twist his words to say.
>>25423967When Jesus is saying to render to Caesar what is Caesar's, whom is he talking to? He is talking to a Jewish audience. Specifically, to a Jewish audience who is trying to make him say something in order to get him arrested. Obviously, if he said openly that religiously, one should not pay taxes to the Caesar (something which the Jews already knew, and this is why they were asking, for there is no command in the Torah allowing the paying of taxes to a foreign king [see Deut. 17:15: be sure to appoint over you a king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite.]). If he, as I was saying, openly stated that there is no religious obligation to pay taxes to Caesar, but there is a religious obligation to pay taxes to God and the King that God appointed and the Law that He established alone (see Leviticus 27:32 "All tithes of the herd or flock—of all that passes under the shepherd’s staff, every tenth one—shall be holy to GOD" and other verses related to tithing), the Jews would have accused him right there and then of sedition against the Roman authorities and the Romans would have found an indictable crime to put him to death to. The answer that Jesus gave is elegant in the sense that the Jews cannot openly accuse him of sedition without also accusing themselves of sedition (because both parties claimed to adhere to the same law), but also because it puts them in the mirror and asks them (and us) the question: "whom do YOU belong to? Do you belong to the Caesar? Go ahead and pay your tributes to the Caesar so he can keep you in servitude and humiliation. But if you belong to God then you will seek the way to obey the commandments of God alone".
>>25423967>>25424002 (cont'd)When it comes to Paul and his imprisonment, one must separate the philosophy of the man from the accidents of his life. Yes, Paul was arrested, but that doesn't take away the fact that he preached that only the wrongdoers get persecuted and arrested. And even when he got arrested he insisted in submitting to the authorities (see what he said to Ananias and how fast he retracted from it and why: Acts 23:3 Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!” 4 Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!” 5 Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.’ I will address how this stance is another contradiction to Jesus's stance in the Gospels below). So it is clear here that Paul has the same stance: respect and submit to the authorities, no matter who they are, no matter even if they transgress against God. If later on Paul congratulates himself about this persecution, this has to be seen as a development in his philosophy, contradictory to his original stance. Paul's philosophy has other internal contradictions. As for twisting his words, I did not twist his words, I limited myself to quoting them. On the newly surfaced contradiction:Paul rebukes Ananias harshly for violating the law. Then retracts immediately after knowing that the man in question is a high priest. Compare that to Jesus's stance: he rebukes harshly all the religious authorities of the time for violating the law of God precisely because they are religious authorities and should know and do better: Mark 7:6–7 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’” He never retracted from these statements, not in front of the lay person, not in front of the High Priests.His stance contradicts Paul's interpretation of the Old Testament command in the same way and for the same reason that I have mentioned before: while Paul believes that any authority that exists, just for the mere act of existing, comes from God, while Jesus clarifies that those in positions of power that have not been appointed by God are no authorities at all.
>>25423955>>25424002>>25424005NTA but you make a good case for Paul the man falling somewhat short of the ideal put forth by Jesus (as all men must)
>>25424005>Paul has the same stance: respect and submit to the authorities, no matter who they are, no matter even if they transgress against GodThat's not true. He disobeyed authority in 2 Corinthians 11:32-33.>Jesus's stance: he rebukes harshly all the religious authorities of the timeYea, but in the very chapter where he goes on an all out attack against religious authorities (Matthew 23), he specifically prefaces these attacks by telling the people to respect their political and religious authority and to do what they say. Verses 2-3:Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.Both Paul and Jesus obey Exodus 22:28 to not speak evil of or curse the ruler of the people. The ruler of the people is the high priest. At no point did Jesus speak evil of Caiaphas or Annas. There's no contradiction there.
>>25421721eternity is thoughtless, as thought it movement. Apophatic theology is an admission of failure. Beingcells seething, BecomingChads stay winning, etc etc
I used to play soccer in the local church league. I played for a Pentecostal church and our derby rivals were the Baptists whose home ground was at the Christian high school one suburb oval.I remember one particularly heated match against them in which just about every player on the pitch was playing murderball for the entire match, and you'd be forgiven for converting by believing God himself had intervened to prevent everyone from punching on at the end of the game. Of course I was too level-headed to get involved. In this particular instance, that is -- I got a two match suspension for punching a ref after a game once and a red card for getting in a brawl with some bloke from bloody Liberty church (don't know denomination they were but as you can tell from the name they were a similar breed of new age lunatic to my mob). For the record we beat them in grand final that year and I assisted the winning goal in extra time. It was far and away the most kino moment in my entire footballing career.Oh and also our captain was an atheist.
>>25424098I still have the shirt too.
>>25424023Anon—you can't recognize AI slop—when you see it?
>>25424130I can and It's not AI.
>>25424098Nice. Post your tits.
>>25424027But 2 Corinthians is a later writing of Paul, written after a lot of the Churches from that day and age had rejected him out of suspicion about his stance towards the Law. As I said before, if Paul comes to congratulate himself about the persecution he has suffered, it does not make his original philosophical stance go away. At best, it shows that he realized he was wrong and learned from his mistake. At worst, it demonstrates a degree of hypocrisy in his preaching.>he specifically prefaces these attacks by telling the people to respect their political and religious authorityExcept that he does not. Nothing in Matthew 23:1-2 suggests that Jesus is saying that people should "do what they say" out of respect for their political and religious authority. On the contrary, everything that comes after that is a very harsh attack designed to completely undermine that political and religious authority.So why would he command the people to obey what they say? Easy: they were reading for the people the Torah and the Prophets. A believer is meant to abide by the commands of God given to Moses and the rest of the Prophets appointed by God. It's their authority whom Jesus is upholding, not the authority of the Scribes and Pharisees. That's why it is "So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach." (Compare also to the already quoted Mark 7:6–7>And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”, where Jesus explicitly condemns the following of man-made rulings as if they were Divine Law. The Laws of the Roman Empire or any other Law that doesn't come from God are man-made rulings that must not be obeyed as a divine law, according to Jesus and Isaiah).>The ruler of the people is the high priest.That is absolutely not the stance that the Jewish priests had at the time of Jesus. See John 19:15 >But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!” “Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.So it is clear that the High Priests saw the Caesar, not themselves, as their ruler, there is no way of arguing against that. Paul does see them as that, but Paul is widely regarded by Jewish scholarship as someone who mischaracterized the Jewish religion greatly in his writings, and this is an example of that.
>>25424027>>25424320 (cont'd)When it comes to Jesus, although there is no explicit statement of Jesus condemning the High Priests specifically and alone, the condemnation is implicit in Mark 7:6-7, quoted above, and it is also implicit in Matthew 23:23>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.Because the Priests are included among the recipients of such tithes.Jesus was also in the same situation as Paul, held in trial by the Sanhedrin, and handled the matter very differently. See John 18: 19-24:> 19 Meanwhile, the high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and his teaching. 20 “I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus replied. “I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret. 21 Why question me? Ask those who heard me. Surely they know what I said.”Jesus here is being very classy, and this is why it is very easy to miss the point of what he is doing, but essentially he is telling the High Priest: "what you are trying to do is against the law, you are not supposed to question me, you are supposed to question the witnesses". This is an act of defiance to the authority and knowledge of the priest. Ig you don't think that is the case, keep reading the passage:>22 When Jesus said this, one of the officials nearby slapped him in the face. “Is this the way you answer the high priest?” he demanded. 23 “If I said something wrong,” Jesus replied, “testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?”Jesus gets slapped in the face just as Paul got slapped in the face. The difference here being that Jesus did not back off from his defiance just because he knew he was in front of the High Priest. He does quite the opposite, he doubles down in his defiance by asking him: "What did I do wrong according to the law that you claim to uphold?" Again, he does it in a very classy way, but essentially he is letting them know in their faces that he is more knowledgeable of the Law than they themselves are. What did they respond? They responded nothing:>24 Then Annas sent him bound to Caiaphas the high priest.They just hand him over to another high priest to see if he is able to deal with him in a lawful way. He can't. So they send him to Pontius Pilate to be judged under another juristiction, the law of the Roman Empire.The point being that Jesus did not submit to the authority of the High Priests. He openly challenged it without being rude and never backed off. Paul was rude and then backed off out of submission to their authority. Those are two opposing stances. The point still stands that the New Testament is a collection of contradictory books.>>25424130English is not ||even|| my first language.
>>25424342>The point still stands that the New Testament is a collection of contradictory booksIt only stands because you hand-waved away 2 Corinthians because it didn't fit your point.
>>25420640Religion died when the people in charge started overestimating normies. Intelligent people can see beyond categories and literality and see thing as holistic symbolic things with context and evolution. They can synthesize ideas, taking the good parts of things and leaving the bad out. Normies are to stupid for this and will just destroy everything they touch that they cannot fully understand and that does not make them feel good. They will tribalize over the most retarded problems they invented for themselves because they are to stupid to not put everything in an autistic box that makes them feel good or bad. They are to stupid to see reality in a more complex way than that. Normies are to stupid to Handel the truth and almost any responsibility and should just be treated like fucking cattle or children that just do what the big grown ups tell them to do in an isolated environment where they can’t get together with other retards and start shitting everything up together. Just live and die like a good little fucking sheep like you are supposed to since you are incapable of being productive and not parasitic in any other manner of life.
>>25424346I didn't. I answered to your point before you even raised it. I acknowledged that Paul did boast about his persecution at a later point in his life, but again, this boasting does not erase what he wrote in the letter to the Romans. He clearly and explicitly said there that only the unrighteous get persecuted by the rulers of this world. See again Romans 13:>3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.His philosophical stance at the time of writing Romans was that. Later on he changed his mind because you cannot believe that only the unrighteous get persecuted, get persecuted yourself, and keep claiming that you are still righteous despite that at the same time. He had to change his stance in order to maintain philosophical integrity.
>>25424368You're the only one getting that interpretation because you're twisting it to for your point.Both Jesus and Paul said to obey earthly rulers unless they contradict God.You continually ignore this and hand-wave it away as "oh, well, Paul disobeying authority and being imprisoned for preaching doesn't count because... well... that happened later and Jesus saying to obey authority doesn't count because he was just lying to get out of being executed".You're being silly and trying to portray nuance as contradiction.
>>25422108Christians persecuted Jews for 1000 years. How is believing the most anti semetic religion does ever to exist going to help them?Inb4 but but but the zionist evangelicals.Yeah they're retarded....
>>25424412>You're the only one getting that interpretationI'm not. See >>25424023>Both Jesus and Paul said to obey earthly rulers unless they contradict God.Where did Jesus say that at all? Where did Paul specify that condition?>You continually ignore thisNo evidence of that has appeared in this conversation so far.>Paul disobeying authority and being imprisoned for preaching doesn't count because... well... that happened laterThat's not the point I was making at all. What I said is that Paul changed his stance on who gets persecuted after he was persecuted himself. There is no continuity of his philosophy between Romans and 2 Corinthians, there is a clear shift. It is one of the internal contradictions in the preaching of Paul.>Jesus saying to obey authority doesn't count because he was just lying to get out of being executedHe did not say to obey authority. He said pay whatever is due to whomever you take as your ruler. That's not lying nor escaping, that's putting the ball in the enemies' court. The Law of God in the Torah Is clear: you cannot take as your ruler any foreigner. Jesus as the Messiah is standing there in front of them as the Divinely Appointed Jewish King. If you follow the Law and have faith, the answer is very clear. If you have no faith and/or don't care about God's Law the answer is also very clear. It is only unclear if you choose not to make a stance, and that's exactly what happened to the people who asked Jesus that day. See Matthew 22:22:>22When they heard it, they were astonished, and left him, and went away.
>>25422113death-before-resurrection-to-eternal-life seems like a nonsacrifice precisely BECAUSE Jesus died. When Jesus died, death became a "trivial" thing. Since Jesus "always lives to make intercession for us", then Him dying makes death non-death. (He defeated death by death). As in, the very physics/reality had to change to accomodate His death state so that death would no longer be death.Think of it as plot armor, or idealism (top down causality). With plot armor, it doesn't matter if the Hero dies, because a Deus ex Machina will occur to resurrect the fallen Hero. But the caveat is that that DeM would never occur for anyone else, nor was it even possible in that world UNTIL the Hero forced its feasibility by offering himself to force its activation. Then, once the Hero activated it, everyone else can also enjoy it.A reductionist physics example: suppose we lived in a non-QM universe, just Newtonian. But then the "main character" of reality dies. Then the universe is forced to become QM in order to give a bottom-up causal mechanism to "explain" how reality's "main character" is alive again. QM offers enough "wiggle room" to make the MC being alive again to be not contrived.So Jesus dying is a sacrifice, because there was no Deus ex Machina back then to resurrect anyone. Death was very scary back then. Even Jesus was "deeply distressed in spirit and troubled", He cried out "Father, why have you forsaken me!" on the cross. Yes, He knows He lives forever, but since He became "human in every way" then He experienced death as a human would back then. Now we don't experience death. And it's all thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ laying His own life down for us. Amen.
>>25422120i'll simplify it for you:you used to not exist. now you do. you can't explain that.if you try, your explanation will also apply to when you don't exist again.
>>25423072>>Time to choose a Church denomination>Pretty sure the Bible doesn't say thisin fact it says the opposite. explicitly.
>>25423869>Literally impossible. [to believe by just reading the Bible]cope, impossibility is not sufficientehat is impossible with man, is possible with God, for to God all things are possible.
>>25420640As a Muslim I would say take your shahadah and follow the Quran and Hadith in accordance with Al-Salaf al-Salih.but, I would then tell you that nobody on this horrendous website has enough religious, philosophical or historical knowledge to help you and you should not come here to ask for anything.
>>25424714Go away
>>25424438this. it's frustrating how 4chan atheists don't realize that Chriatianity is infinitely more Antisemitic than Hitler was.How many Jews are there today? Now imagine all of them except for 144,000 killed by Jesus. And then after the general resurrection and Judgment, every non-Christian will tortured forever in fire and worms. Also, just because someone claims to be Jewish doesn't mean they actually are. The only real Jews are the ones who accept their very own Messiah, but the rest are lizards, synagogue of Satan.Jesus is Lord.
>>25424725holy cope
>>25424714The Quran says to believe the Bible.Jesus is Lord.
>>25424320>But 2 Corinthians is a later writing of Paul, Just factually incorrect. It was written around the time of Acts chapter 20:1-2. That means it was written before Philippians, Colossians, Ephesians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon and probably Romans.>his original philosophical stance go awayHe didn’t have a “philosophical stance”. He was given direct progressive revelation by the risen Lord himself. Read the Acts of the Apostles.>he realized he was wrong and learned from his mistake. Paul never “realized he was wrong”. Where does it say that? Paul defended his apostolic position until the very end. >Nothing in Matthew 23:1-2 suggests that Jesus is saying that people should "do what they say" out of respect for their political and religious authority. On the contrary, everything that comes after that is a very harsh attack designed to completely undermine that political and religious authority.That is precisely what it does say, though. He calls them hypocrites because they don’t do what they say, but the people are to respect their political/religious position because they sit in Moses’ seat and so speak from a position of authority. >It's their authority whom Jesus is upholding, not the authority of the Scribes and Pharisees. Yea, that’s the whole point. Paul makes the same point in Romans 13 and Peter makes the same point in 1 Peter 2. God has instituted human government and Christians are to submit to that. The specific human ruler/king/religious figure is irrelevant, but the position must be respected.>The ruler of the people is the high priest is absolutely not the stance that the Jewish priests had at the time of Jesus. You just established that the stance of the Jewish priests at the time of Jesus was wrong. Why are you using them as a measure of Biblical truth now? Israel was not even supposed to have a king in the first place (1 Samuel 8), but they insisted that they wanted to be like the nations. Eventually, God himself would be their king, but they rejected him, too. So the fact that the priests called Caesar their king is an example of how far they had apostatized from the Scriptures, it’s not an argument that works in your favor.
>>25424342>Condemnation is implicit in Matthew 23:23, because the Priests are included among the recipients of such tithes.That just doesn’t follow. Because the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees pay tithe of mint, anise and cummin, while omitting the weightier matters of the law, Jesus is speaking evil of the high priest? Further, he is calling the teachers of the law and Pharisees hypocrites, so the high priests, being Sadducees, would not be included in this particular condemnation. I fail to see your point. >Jesus was also in the same situation as Paul, held in trial by the Sanhedrin, and handled the matter very differentlyPaul was a man; Jesus is God in human flesh. You can’t compare the two like you’re doing.>The point being that Jesus did not submit to the authority of the High Priests. He openly challenged it without being rude and never backed off. He did, though. It’s right there in the text. The fact that he is asking questions and so revealing them to be a bunch of diabolical hypocrites does not change the fact that Jesus submits to the high priestly authority. >Paul was rude and then backed off out of submission to their authority. Those are two opposing stances. All the apostles sent by Jesus had faults by virtue of them being men. Peter rejected him three times, John and James wanted to burn down a Samaritan village, Thomas doubted him after the resurrection etc. If Paul’s temper got the best of him it just proves his own “philosophical stance” that all humans are sinners and thus in need of Christ.>The point still stands that the New Testament is a collection of contradictory books.It absolutely does not. You haven’t shown a contradiction yet.
This website is going to become unusable if they dont find a way to make AI posts a banable offense.
>>25424787>Israel was not even supposed to have a king in the first placeI realize I wrote this the wrong way. God was always supposed to be their king, not a human ruler*.
>>25424818are you referring to >>25424814 ?he's not AI. I get that some of his posts seem like it (structured, formal, long winded, and saying obvious stuff a facts-bot can output) though. But that's actually a thing with Christians. We're "undecidable". I've been accused of insencerety before, where people are split 50/50 on is he trolling or not i can't tell.it's an actual thing with us.Jesus is Lord.
>>25424818Let the AI come and have its way with us. The site already became unsalvageable when phoneposters weren't blocked.
>>25424849>structured posts are now AIDo I have to write like a retard so you people don't accuse me of being AI? What is happening to this site...
