>direction brainedI long ago left such simplistic thinking behind.
I never know how to answer this.No author did it. I just read my bible, read a history book, read the bible some more, read more history. I did watch a simple video from Dawkins way back in the day, but that was more about a foray into atheism. The real dichotomy in history is that of control versus freedom, and I always wanted freedom. It's an inborn American trait. So in a way I was always a "leftist". I just know how to articulate it better.
>>25425833Not to say that freedom isn't desired by other peoples. But it lays rather dormant in most Chinese, to pick one group.
>>25425833but youve never read any theory or at least left leaning literature (like pic above)?
>>25425834Why do you think this about the Chinese
>>25425830>I long ago left >I left>leftYou're still direction-brained
>>25425911keked and checked
Literally nothing. Reading the Communist manifesto as a teenager permanently inoculated me against leftism. Some degree of market intervention is of course desirable and inevitable but we already have enough, even though it's very poorly applied.
>>25425833Look into the Byzantine Empire's political system. Classical liberalism is fake, gay, and anti-Christian
>>25425939Ah yes the Byzantine empire, famous for Christian piety. Unlike those evil liberal anglo Americans who uh... Ended the Barbary slave trade and defeated communism.
>>25425948- Britain did it first- It was Christians- Yes, it is famous for Christian piety
>>25425847Oh I have.>>25425855China is very nanny state. I do appreciate them keeping their millionaires in line, but they're just the same old controlling imperialist sort (though more like the Mandarine bureaucracy)In the old days of the region people would routinely escape into the mountains or swamps to get away from rice farming/taxation/conscription/disease of the "civilization"So they once wanted they freedom too. It is inborn in a human to be free, but sometimes it gets beat out of them>>25425939Funny you should mention. I read a lot of them too. Empires are all fake and gay>>25425948>defeated communism.LOL
>>25425973Oh damn the typos.
>>25425833>I wanted more freedom>so I joined the side that demands everything to be censored and bannedfascinating
>>25425990No, I didn't become a fascist, anon.
>>25425819What even is "left" in 2026? Are you pro or anti government? Are you pro or anti Israel? Do you want free market or not? I have no clue what leftism of 2026 even is to be honest, bunch of guys discussing the surplus value on the internet? Who is the proletariat? If I work as a free lancer in IT, am I already bourgousie because I'm the only one oppressing and exploiting myself? What's the trash hold for prole? Capital made internet, computers and smartphones possible, you like them right? Capital allows you to do whatever the fuck you want basically, if you are skilled enough that is, what's wrong with that? Are you a surf bound to the master? What's the left thing to think nowadays? I'm honestly curious. Let me know
>>25425833>I always wanted freedomYou say that as if both sides aren't anti freedom just slightly different flavors.
>>25426339>I just want freedom>what is binding you? why are you not free?>well you know.. um.... I'm not free as long as I wage slave, or something!?>quit your job then? are you forced to do it?>well you know... um.. American spirit
>>25426049The anti-revisionist movement is being reconstructed and it’s the only future. I would recommend watching the intro to Marxist Leninism playlist on S4A’s channel.
Always felt i'm left leaning because it never made sense for me workers/producers get less than those who do nothing.
>>25426341>Stalin>so fucking scared of his "own" people his inner circle was revolving door of execution>Lenin>enforced red terror executing anyone who looked weird at him>Marx>literal bum who lived off rich friend and unpaid debts, both his daughters committed suicide, none of his predictions for the future came true yeah, thanks for that, I'll pass.
>>25426344>those who do nothingis the most common misconception low IQ wagies have about their bosses, you really think they just sit on they yachts doing nothing? I'm certain most of the CEO's who founded their own business from more or less scratch has worked way more hours in their lives than you. you could start own business, you are just too average, you are a wagie by destination
>>25426353Cope you produce nothing and you're useless.
>>25425833I am much like you, i came to the conclusion that what i value is freedom after i spent my 20s ping ponging between communism and fascism and mixing and matching both in some sort of schizo politics. I realized what i valued was freedom and that i was being a force of chaos. So i realized i was some sort of anarchist. The philosophy of max stirner intrigued me the mostWhat i hated most of all was the moral police who want to control what you can do and say, whether they be right wing evangelicals or woke libtards.
>>25425819There's none. I've only gone rightward my whole life mostly. And before someone calls me a "directionbrained retard" keep in mind all political science since at least the early 19th century uses the terms interchangeably in theoretical analysis. Just keep that in mind.
>>25426457>all political science since at least the early 19th century uses the terms interchangeably in theoretical analysisWe already knew political scientists are retarded.
>>25425833can you describe your physical appearance?
>>25425833What the fuck is freedom? Is that like when the state doean't interfere in your Shadow the hedgehog diaper fetish or something?
>>25426457Same here. I'm not still sure where it is coming from, but the question of what should be preserved or done away with was a question that pretty much plagued the victorians in their tumultuous times. People like Mill tried to reconcile it with an ideal society that was intentionally polarized but respectful, tolerant in the strictest sense. However, modern scholers tend to understandably glaze Mill to the extreme, whether libs or marxists. I believe that this is because, at the end of the day, progressivism, whether sophisticated or not, just cares about pleasure and harm reduction. You could boil down a lot of their ideas to this desire for pleasure and aversion to pain, the real kind of pain that saps you and shows you the ugly head of despair and, you know, really tests you and your relationship to this world. But I personally don't want pain to go away and I don't want pleasure to be given. There's also just the fact that progs aren't exactly competent when it comes to realizing their desires; pleasure fails to be attained or satisfied and pain doesn't go away. They might eliminate the sources of "unjust" suffering, but that will just make the petty and personal suffering even more apparent, and those do not have any easy solution (but then again, neither to many of the unjust ones); people are still unloved, different, unequal, and, what Hegel failed to notice, are still born as dumb children with all of the same instincts and set of dispositions of the human animal which we can see throughout history.
>>25426506They want to kill death itself, which is the curse of Adam. Christ already defeated death by death in the resurrection and the coming age, so utilitarianism is really an attempt to sideline Christ through the error of prioritizing particular good over greater good.
>>25425819>leftistyeah nah i'm not retarded
>>25425819*Post-leftists
>>25426049The modern left has been completely and utterly subverted by anti-White race politics. Any White person who advocates for “left wing” politics or political parties is either a blind and naive fool or a self-hating degenerate victim of society looking to get revenge on it
>>25426592>people genuinely believe that picrel is logically soundjesus wept
>>25425819
>>25426598Thanks picrel
>>25426598what's the fallacy?
>>25426356literally what's stopping you from sitting around and doing nothing and making millions?
>>25425830fpbp
>>25425833>freedomGod, do you people all just rely on these empty signifiers? What the fuck even is 'freedom'?
>>25426506Jesus, lots of spelling mistakes. Don't do dyslexia kids.
>>25426339>both sidesThere is side Freedom and side Control. When you see two groups fighting over who controls who you are not seeing the side for freedom weighing in>>25426358Exactly. >>25426559Hey, there ya go. I need to restart on that book>>25426475Why? Are you a woman? >>25426719More levels and categories of it. Don't you ever think about it?So the person with mental problems might act like he's as free as a wild animal, or worse, just let loose his bowels to achieve that freedom. Too far.Another madman may just think he has the right to do to others whatever he likes, and rape or murder people. Still too far. A social construct, that starts in the family, makes clear you shouldn't treat people like that. You would have them do the same? So SOME form of controls need to be established for a functional society. Clearly.But it is the sociopaths of the world who started to exert ever growing powers over others that started us down this mad world of absolute control
>>25425819>If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brainGrow up, kiddo.
>>25425819Leverage and incentives. I will not elaborate.
>>25426883Your mug/t-shirt wizdumb isn't real, kiddo. Grow up.
>>25426905No need to spell it out anymore than that. You’re a mud person who sees it as their way to get more woke privilege and more free stuff from the state.
>>25426358>>25425833Freedom the best. Feels good knowing the opposition is dependent on a giant underclass that is simultaneously 1) in charge of all actual work and 2) too slavish to assume the personal responsibility needed to do anything well.
>>25425939Guys will say shit like this and then turn around an shit on Hobbes' Leviathan in the same breath.
>>25425833*tips fedora*
>>25427096>Godcuck can't readMore common than ever. But why are you on the literature board? Sanderson? GRRM?
>>25425911
>>25426049>Capital made internet, computers and smartphones possible, you like them right? Capital allows you to do whatever the fuck you want basically, if you are skilled enough that isSoma for the masses. You won't achieve anything with these things unless you have money or know the right people.
>>25426049Leftism in 2026 is when you make a movie based on an old story but insert browns and troons into it.I'm not even being facetious, that's really all it boils down to. Remember all those historical tomes of complex leftist theory -- Marx, Proudhon, Foucault, Deleuze, whatever -- and in the end all it really is is just this.
>>25426598Have you never interacted with a leftist before? It is absolutely true.
>>25425819Nothing. I was raised by atheistic materialists and became a misanthropic antinatalist through observation and lived experience. Leftism will never work because it's too idealist for humans, which as a collective are a bunch of retarded apes held back by ingrained evolutionary behavior.
>>25425819Imagine sympathising with those brainless Okies.
>>25427336Are you Indian
>>25427352I would have already killed myself if I was.
>>25427359Is not being indian the only thing stopping you?
>>25427369Nah. I still have some Confucianism left in me. When that goes away then yeah it's time to pull the plug.
>>25427381>ConfucianismYou must be Chinese, partly at least. I admire your people's vitriol towards the indian subcontinent.
>>25427158>Typical atheshit peanut gallery commentary
>>25426463Yet, they influence policy. And you have to take it on the chin like the good cumslut you are.
>>25426344I lean right for the reason I'm a NET.
>>25427430It sounds like you get off on being their fuck toy>>25427430 and are just trying to project.
>>2542663599% of these fucks, or should I say, fucks like you, start with a big daddy deposit. Stop selling bullshit.
>>25427449success is multi-generational yeahi suspect socialist-leaning types are disproportionately childless and don't appreciate this
>>25426349liberals are so fucking insufferable, must be a symptom of overdosing on your own noxious queefs. Make sure you vote hard this round, totally going to work!
>>25427566Your endless seething envy and resentment is tedious.
>>25427425Okay. No one is asking but you in your own stupid way.As I said above, I read the Bible, then I found it wanting and had atheism explained to me, so spent some time as that. No amount of hat-shaming from the likes of you could convince me that Yhwh and Jesus were not only part of a monotheism but the "one" true god. The sentence implies I am not atheist any longer. But if I were to tell you any more you would still be offended that I didn't take back up the silliest of all Abrahamic faiths. It is a more general knowledge of the facts of the universe that has enriched a spirituality. There now, go fuck off.
>>25427566*Tips trilby*
>>25427566You’re an unironic Stalinist. Why should anyone care about your judgement? You’re just as retarded and universally maligned as Hitler lovers
>>25426000Yeah, you just look and act like one. Censorship and violence is only fascist when rightoids do it. When you do it it’s freedom.
>>25427605your victimhood is showing again, timothy
>>25427610Nah that’s just your IQ
>>25427597now I know you’re a fucking idiot by conflating an observation with a judgement. Maybe graduate highschool first before you speak on topics that are above your position. >>25427592>muh cope
>>25427634Lmao what a dumb kid^
Books didn't turn me into a leftist. Observing and participating in economic and political reality did. The last 25 years of my life did.The state of the world has gotten so bad that if you aren't a leftist you must be completely delusion. As a response the capitalist class is working to drive the masses into greater and greater delusion and distraction to prevent class consciousness from emerging.
>>2542764725 year of my adult life^I'm old.
>>25427605Anon, I am not any single one of those Xwitter trannies you fight with. I do not somehow support both Ukraine and Palestine cuz Putin stole election form Pink Pussy hate woman. I am an anti-vax, 2nd Amendment supporting lefty. Take your fucking meds.>>25427647>>25427649Here here!
>>25427647People like you are the reason evil keeps winning.
>>25427647>muh capitalism>muh class consciousnessHere's a hint, retard: if your communist utopia hasn't been achieved in the 159 years since Karl Marx wrote Das Kapital, there is not a single shred of evidence or reason to believe that it will ever happen. You tried, and you failed, and you tried another hundred times to predictably disastrous results, yet you really have the gall to say you want to try again? How many hundreds of millions need to starve to death or be executed by the hands of corrupt politburos and dictators before you unfathomable dipshits get it through your thick skulls that it always leads to the same conclusion?
https://www.marxists.org/admin/books/manifesto/Manifesto.pdf
>>25427699Same can be said of your capitalist utopia. It never materializes and always breaks down.Our conclusion is that we need to try something else.Ah, but you are not here to discuss books or even the topic. You're just a troll.
>>25427617>t. victim
>>25427684Don't worry about it.Don't worry about corporations trying everything they can to exploit your mind for profit since birth.Don't worry about corporate environmental destruction and climate destabilization.Don't worry about the erosion of democracy via the influence of big money in politics.Don't worry about eroding literacy and education.Don't worry about the corporate monopolization of media.Don't worry about it.Worry about the transgenders, the gays, brown people and the "leftists."
>>25427706>the voice of reason is a trollSorry but not everyone is here to advocate for a tyrannical and gebocidal system that’s only ever failed miserably and killed mega millions of innocent people. I guess the normal human reaction to your brainwashed insanity looks like trolling through your eyes though.
>>25427730>Sorry but not everyone is here to advocate for a tyrannical and gebocidal system that’s only ever failed miserably and killed mega millions of innocent people.But let's not discuss Capitalism anymore
>>25427706Nobody ever promised you a utopia under a capitalist economy, dickhead. Even the most staunch supporters of the free economic models will acknowledge that there are shortcomings. The difference between what we have (functional) and what you want (delusional) is that capitalism has safety valves, and it doesn't aim at some impossible end state (farcical utopia that doesn't hold up to basic sociology) that justifies atrocities. If things get adequately bad enough, we drag Bezos and Elon Musk out of their ivory towers and behead them in the streets. They know this. They can't push it too far or they'll get more Luigi Mangiones.>dude you're just a troll because you disagree with meWe are discussing the topic. I'm not a leftist, and I'm trying to force you and every other misguided soul to see the light. Capitalism ain't great, but you can make fine adjustments from within to improve it. As the saying goes: you can vote your way into socialism, but you'll have to shoot your way out. We know what's at the end of that path.
>>25427723>Don't worry about the erosion of democracy via the influence of big money in politicsI actively support this because democracy needs to collapse. It's an evil system that allows the powers that be to manipulate retards like you into letting them perpetuate all the things you hate. Their control of the narrative is so strong they can easily fool people like you into thinking you know who the real baddies are.
>>25427735If you’re not even going to try, I’m not even going to try.
>>25427746'>I actively support shitting my own pants. Let me tell you how it smells.
>>25427757Why are you jeets so obsessed with shit?
>>25427751>yfw all of this was 'progress' accomplished through war, genocide and exploitation of the poor & the working class.
>>25427642>n-no uback to your containment board faggot
>>25427780>war>yeah because tankies have NEVER started a war lmao oh wait>genocide>haha yeah because tankies have NEVER committed genocide oh oops wait>exploitation>I have to... I have to PAY for things? Wtf man I'm like, being exploited or something this sucks
>>25427780Sure if you’re a brainwashed retard you might see it like that I guess. You can always screech about how capitalism killed a bajillion bazillion people, nobody with a room temperature IQ will pay attention but you can still tell it to yourself.
>>25427743> capitalism has safety valves, and it doesn't aim at some impossible end state (farcical utopia that doesn't hold up to basic sociology) that justifies atrocities. If things get adequately bad enough, we drag Bezos and Elon Musk out of their ivory towers and behead them in the streets. They know this. They can't push it too far or they'll get more Luigi Mangiones.Shit not even the homeless living in their own filth are this brain damaged. Let me guess, can’t afford treatment to address that brain bleed you let fester? Whatever “safety voaves” exist have been rolled way the fuck back, not even including the nonexistent accountability thing where everyone in DC is given a pass to be a child fucker. Lay off your supply of copium, you can’t afford it anyways.
>>25427805You know what the difference between a free man and a slave is? A free man owns land and guns. You advocate for a system designed to enslave you.
>>25427805Thanks, but I have free healthcare, cuck. How about you actually produce some tangible evidence of what's so terrible about capitalist nations instead of throwing around these ethereal notions of how it has "broken down".
>>25425819One book turned me into a leftistOne thousand turned me into a conservative
>>25427825no one itt is asking the government to nationalize land and take the guns. it's just obvious that the top 1% of society has too much weight on the scale and it's making everything worse rather than fostering an ideal ground for market competition or political stability.
>>25427895The leftist is speaking to the voices in his head again instead of an actual interlocutor
>>25427895Yeah left wingers never do left wing things. Sure pal.
>>25427912there's nothing "left-wing" about new deal-era policy. shit was just sensible.
>>25427924You are impossible to talk to. You will bounce back and forth between saying all good things are left and bad things right, and also the left doesn't even actually exist it's just what's true and good and factual. Leftists are pretty much all like this btw
>>25427931This
>>25427931why make up a position i never held? you don't have to paint a leftist "side" to file away certain ideas. what's wrong with taxing the wealthy like it's the usa in the 50s? is that socialism?
>>25427953Ok, so you’re a new deal democrat. Good for you. You’re not completely insane. I have to warn you though, I’m not sure how long you’ve been out of your coma, but you’re currently surrounded by race and gender obsessed marxists that are taking over your party.
>>25427953You just bounce from trite lefty talking point to talking point. You are literally like a chatbot. Next you will say something about Scandinavia.
>>25427953Have you ever looked at how much each tax bracket actually contributes?
>>25427969No, he just knows what lefty topics normal people aren't completely repulsed by and still have a little credibility, and hammers those. I guarantee you he believes in every bit of SJW insanity as the rest.
>>25427895>>25427953Because the left has been coopted by the delusional, the insane, and literal commies. You're not going to increase taxes to build better roads or create more jobs for actual Americans; you're going to build more Learing Centers for grifting Somalians, or increase gibs for Paco and his 7 kids from Guatemala.
>>25425819Not a book, but rather /pol/. I was a right-winger until I've peeked into that board for a while and realized everyone there was just morons who needed a figure of authority to idolize. I also finally understood why leftists kept calling magatards fascists (I used to think it was just a bad-faith strawman), because they truly are.So I ended up realizing that the reason why the Left keep getting all the support from academia, cultural elites and higher-education people is because they were actually correct about how the Right is so absolutely moronic and has no real political theory to support it.
>>25427982why assume i want other things, when discussing another subject? it doesn't make sense.>you probably want [thing i never mentioned]why are you like this?
>>25428003>implying /pol/ is exclusively rightardedYou would know the lefttards there are just as bad if you actually went there.
>>25428003why do people lie like this
>>25427870>picI remember these people. They were going around trying to convince everyone that Nat Turner was a better man and role model than Thomas Jefferson. I really genuinely wonder how the reconciled the fact that Nat Turner and his band killed children, including babies.
>>25427870I notice empty eyed skinhead anytime I see them.Broken by stoicism or drill sergeants or just too autistic to feel anything, I don't know. >>25427743>Nobody ever promised you a utopia under a capitalist econYou have no idea what you're talking about. Shut up and go read the books on the subject. >>25427730I am not. I never say "Lets try Marxism again, lets try Leninism again, lets try Stalinism again" I do say let's not embargo Cuba for decades and now try to starve them to death and blame it on their socialism. You dishonest pieces of shit.
>>25425819imagine needing a book to tell you wrong and right
>>25428313That is a religious-right thing to do after all.
>>25428210Fuck Cuba. I am so sick of this retarded narrative of poor innocent Cuba being the victim of big meanie America. Cuban troops, spies, and agitators were all over Latin America and Africa causing all sorts of trouble.
>>25425819Some quotes:"The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufactures, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens. The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.""The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give.""Consumption is the sole end and purpose of all production; and the interest of the producer ought to be attended to, only so far as it may be necessary for promoting that of the consumer.""Our merchants and masters complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price and lessening the sale of goods. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits. They are silent with regard to the pernicious effects of their own gains. They complain only of those of other people.""People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."
>>25426049Israel is probably the biggest directional divide right now. Left is overwhelmingly against Israel and the right is still in support.
>>25426353The tax rate for laborers is DOUBLE that for capital holders. That is perverse and you're a bootlicker if you defend it.
>>25426353shut the fuck up
>>25428429Cool so let's lower taxes for workers
>>25426049You can watch some videos of Yanis Varoufakis on those topics to get a sense. He also has some books too.
>>25425819Mein Kampf by A. Hitler
>>25428485I agree, in fact, lets implement Milton Friedman's negative income tax bracket, fair?
>>25425833appeal to freedom destroys politcal discourse on this board and everywhere.Good job anon. You have the correct position.
>>25428532Freedom is useless by itself.
>>25425833Read your Sartre. You were always already free.
>>25426524No, I don't think they do. That's more of a christian anxiety.
>>25427566>mocks votingCheck Marx's letters to Lincoln. He considered the US system to enable social change without revolution. Nice job willingly disenfranchising yourself by disengaging from the political process because it's not le epic enough for you.
>>25428880
>>25426049The American left isn't actually left-wing. America is a very right-wing country through and through.It's why it's funny people think an establishment whore like Biden, Newsom, or Harris would inundate the west in communism. They won't. They're there to make themselves and their friends money and then retire after 4-8 years.The reaction the democrats had to Mamdani and the treatment of Sanders in 2015/16 should really be enough to tell you that there isn't a real left-wing in America. There's a right-wing and a centre-right.>inb4 "muh immigration"They want immigrants so they can inflate some numbers and get cheap labor that doesn't demand benefits. That's right-wing.
>>25428928>He considered the US system to enable social change without revolution.That was 150 years ago
>>25428978Says the one citing Marxism and Stalinism.Gut check: if you're unable to sway populist masses to vote for progressive reform, are you able to sway a revolution of the masses?
>>25428976It doesn't matter why they want immigrantsThe political spectrum from the far left to the centre right is functionally the same, in that its function is ethnic replacement of whitesThe purpose of a system is what it does
>>25428995>in that its function is ethnic replacement of whitesSee a therapist
>>25428875>A canvas is useless to an artist
>>25429000For something that is objectively observable?
>>25425819For me it was the ideas contained within Capital Vol. 1 by Marx even though I haven't read it. Once I was exposed to the relation between labour and economy, the social nature of our species, and the origin of culture from this material base I started leaning more left. I am a scientific minded STEMfag and was always kind natured and economically left leaning so that probably helped. Understanding Marx made me understand the nature of conservative values I was clinging to , how they were part of a historical process and made me better understand and appreciate where cultural leftists are coming from. (Even though I still disagree with many of their conclusions)
>>25428974>cite communist writer's point about radical freedom to tease a self-labelled leftistYeah, thanks for the backup
>>25426356He produces your wages you fucking moron >noooo i do that i do the work Without payroll etc. you would be flipping hamburgers and wondering why money is not magically appearing and why the beef has been gone for 5 days
A huge amount of the posts itt are made by the same guy btw
>>25429012>He produces your wages you fucking moronRight-tards actually believe this lol
>>25429004>muhterial dialecticismMarx was wrong about this, just as he was wrong about virtually everything else. The history of the world is a battleground of ideas, and NOT materials. As a scientist, you should appreciate this more than anyone. Science is about forming ideas regarding the nature of the world and then proving the correctness of the ideas to others. But if you want a demonstration of this fact: everyone in this thread, including you and me, is engaged in the battle of ideas at this very moment. Whether we're discussing it over this Brazilian monkey-fucking forum, funding super PACs to spread our ideas, or arguing about it in person in the middle of the woods is completely irrelevant.
>>25429000>No argument
>>25427437Project what? My penis into your mouth?>>25427593>nooo, you don't understand only Judaism lets me get away with fucking kids! Those damn Christians!
>>25427647>Observing and participating in economic and political reality did. The last 25 years of my life did.You must've been on drugs then
'Leftist' is pretty loaded, but once you start reading some of the classic liberalist, including Adam Smith, you'd think it would transform you into a free market capitalist lover right? WRONG. This singlehandedly is responsible for me wanting a more collectivist society.
>>25425911REKT
>>25428003>I also finally understood why leftists kept calling magatards fascists (I used to think it was just a bad-faith strawman), because they truly are.how so? magatards never did anything approaching the degree of authoriarianism we saw from the left during covid
>>25428337provide a source on this claim without using CIA/US funded mediums...I'll wait>>25428994>Stalinism....okay retard. Liberals have this festering brain rot that voting in the (current year) operates via it's own agency...except that's never been the case. There is no transparency in the US voting apparatus, never was. The US like every other country is govern by policy enacted by capital. It's literally how that economic system works, how well versed are you in economics, if you're not then you need to kindly stfu.>>25428976^ this>>25428337>literally doesn't understand how weaponized the trade system is>literal retard nagging the adults at the main table, refusing to return to the kiddie tableNo wonder you're so frustrated, you've hit your logical barrier and resort to chimping out, I bet you blame the minorities that do the same, the fucking irony on display here. Go eat your costco slop and kindly fuck off
>>25429242I built a very successful 3D modeling business, and did everything myself. I successfully competed in a very competitive market filled with brilliant designers. I was literally a capitalist.My second semester in college, 9/11 happened. What followed was Bush's oil wars. That was a hard start to the awakening of how corporate interests rule everything.Not everyone on the internet is a loser like you.
>>25425834This is doublespeak. America is much more authoritarian, culturally. For americans, freedom literally means freedom to control others.Read zhuangzi - The parable of the brocade calf. Read Mo zi. Read tao yuanming. Read the dao de jing (and commentaries). Read mencius.Philosophical determinism does not equal authoritarianism just like democracy does not equal freedom. (A society that has slaves and property requirements to vole for instance) Chinese political philosophy is inherently prosocial and minimalist. Political resistance and discord tends to be viewed as an indictment of the policies of the current leadership. Sun zi's art of war pretty much all boils down to "don't start wars."
>>25425973Please cite where you get the idea that america ended the Barbary slave trade. That's not what happened.
>>25429001>ignores the by itself part
>>25425948>defeated communismAs if that's a good thing. IAntagonising communism only proved that USA really is the great satan.
>>25429596>uhhh yeah, losing is actually a good thing and totally proves the righteousness of my evil loser ideologyAre tankies the biggest retards on the planet? Many are saying this.
>>25429525Not double speak. It's complex. The nature of man, the nature of the controlling "civilizations" and the various levels and categories of freedom they use to bribe people to live in these exceedingly fragile "civilizations" Actual democracy would be freeing. Actual democracy cannot tolerate slavery. >Political resistance and discord tends to be viewed as an indictment of the policies of the current leadership.It should.
>>25429486>okay retard. Liberals have this festering brain rot that voting in the (current year) operates via it's own agency...except that's never been the case. There is no transparency in the US voting apparatus, never was. The US like every other country is govern by policy enacted by capital. It's literally how that economic system works, how well versed are you in economics, if you're not then you need to kindly stfu.Imagine using all that time to say absolutely nothing.
>>25429486>you've hit your logical barrier and resort to chimping outHe is right though. Communists are just incapable pf self awareness and think any resistance to their sordid schemes is an afront against the universe. They say this all the while they believe that ethics is all just made up nonsense and the only thing that matters is fighting for your selfish interests.
>>25429525Freedom, as a word, is in its essence doublespeak. People have been arguing about whether freedom is doing whatever one wills, which contaminates it with sordid actions, or whether it is acting only in a highly specific way, which makes ir restricting and, in my opinion, completely meaningless.
>>25429628>Are tankies the biggest retards on the planet? Yes
>>25429925This thread is for leftists. You are brigading to try to shut down conversation by derailing it. Go back to /pol/.
>>25429486There over 60k Cuban troops in Angola in the '80s, including armor and fighters. Cuban troops fought in the thousands for the Derg in Ethiopia. Cuban even held a funeral this year for its servicemen killed the Maduro raid. It's not a secret and never was.
>>25429525>For americans, freedom literally means freedom to control others.Explain
>>25425948Fuck slavery. It's like I always say, give me the liberty to take a pay cut for fear a border hopper might steal my already severely underpaying job, or give me death!
>>25427723>don't worry about all the aforementioned entities collaborating to twist truth on its head>don't worry when they tell you men can be women>don't worry when they import to your country people who hate you and have been trying to invade your lands for 1500 years>don't worry when they fire you because you're job has been digitalized while the government hosts them in hotels and pay them $2000 a month to deal drugs and rape your women>don't worry that they destabilized the whole world and made it addicted to its phones when they locked you in your house for 3 years and forced you to take an experimental vaccine>worry about disney, trump, rednecks and "rightoids"see, i can do it too, and I don't even disagree with anything you said
I’m going to be the pretentious one and say studying extremely autistic continental philosophy made me a leftist. Before that I was a generic Democrat. Fichte’s entire conception of the ‘self’ is radically horizontal and communitarian (“the individual as such does not exist”) and it more or less permanently changed my brain to think through his arguments.
>>25429925The right wing posts are so low IQ that they function as reverse propaganda desu. You would have to be stupid to believe in arbitrary domination.
>>25429531NTA but no
>>25430119Liberal capitalists don't understand what we mean when we talk about freedom.
>>25430312low IQ people have higher SMV
>>25430421That's a bad explanation.
>>25426592>picI didnt knew we were still living in 2016
>>254304632016 never ended.
>>25430118who & why were they fighting…you’re so fucking close
>>25428337>Cuba is actually doing what the US is doing and not victims of it.I wish Cuba kidnapped Trump and Netanyahu facilitation revolutions in those countries
>>25427711>t. African
>>25428880As long as my fellow man is not free, I am not free either. I could win the lottery. Have enough money to buy a nice secluded home and enough left over to live my life in freedom. But I'd look out the windows and know. Know the horrors out there.
>>25425819I wouldn't say I'm a "leftist" but reading Tolstoy's nonfiction did make me realize that private property laws, money, and governments are designed for the purpose of enslavement and that capitalism is just a more lucrative version of it
>>25429859imagine having such an astounding lack of comprehension that you resort to “not that deep” rebuttals. Truly a pinnacle of american education on display here.>>25429866nothing you’ve said here exemplified whatever weak argument you’ve stupidly agreed to defend. Gramsci wrote several books during his impressment. You have literally nothing else left to do but become self aware..perhaps that experience alludes you because you’ve comfortably obedient to their “law.”
>>25430440The liberal capitalists of America are the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" Steinbeck mentioned. Their "rugged individualism" is always about making money off everyone and everything else outside of them. The hear "freedom" and can only think about the state allowing them the freedom to exploit any and all.
>>25430534>that experience alludes youThis guy is a real diamond dozen
>>25430492If you're trying to get me to side against the West in the Cold War, it's not going to work.
>>25430539lol so everyone in your life is constantly scamming each other? Sorry you've got a shit community son. Ironically I hear that more about China
>>25430559>The Cold WarCuba has a right to defend itself. >No! Only Israel!
>>25430592So does the United States, Ethiopians opposed to communism, Venezuela, Colombia, etc
>>25430604NOOOOO!!!! WHY ARENT YOU LETTING CUBA FREE YOU!!!! SHTAP OPPRESSING THEM!!!!
>>25430463Everything is fine now because you’re used to it?
>>25430604>So does [ONLY anti-socialist groups (a minority)]So you're saying only those who wish to deprive rights of the majority count. You know how Epstein you are, anon?
>>25430714>anti-socialists>minorityI would be laughing if this delusion wasn't so common.
>>25430714You're not really going to defend the Derg, are you?
>>25429628>Winning means you are the good guyLiteral muslim tier logic. Evil wins all the time in this world and the cold war was a good instance of that
>>25428010actual trvke/Pol/ is basically a constant battleground between /pol/fugees and leftypol because they secretly enjoy being miserable or something
>>25430932Evil wins every time your disgusting ideology destroys an innocent man's life. Your kind have done so much to tear down everything and stolen so much that any good intentions you might use to delude yourself will never be enough to redeem you.
>>25430932"If following the rule brought you to this point, of what purpose was the rule?"Your ideology is for losers. You will never win. You will always lose. It will always end in a Stalin or a Mao seizing control of the politburo, millions of unnecessary deaths, and an eventual crawling back towards capitalism. Money talks, and bullshit walks.
>>25428425That data is 9 years old.
>>25429486Hey, you can't beat a $1.50 hot dog and soda.
always was. no transformation.it's almost a matter of taste. like being in the 1920s and feeling in your bones that realism has burnt itself out in the arts.in fact it's precisely a matter of taste in that taste is the intuitive perception of the relation between an immediate object of experience and the deep currents of history.
>>25431372adorno puts it better than i could.
>>25428020Good question.I think most of this is libertarian anyways
