Immortal cave editionStubbed >>25441775>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLYRecommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
>>25451481Started publishing my WN on RR recently and I’ve had an easier time gathering viewership than I expected. (Especially considering how my fiction doesn’t fit the litRPG genre). Is making the RS that important in the long-term?https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/180281/tea-termites?utm_source=home&utm_medium=reading-history
>>25451522Easier? You have 3 followers. Your viewership will likely go nowhere as most people on the site don't want to read this type of work.
>>254515433 followers is a lot for me.
This is currently one of the most popular novels on rr
>>25451558If you're writing for fun, who am I to judge. Just saying that the numbers are really quite low, even ai-slop beats you ten times over. Though those are written in meta. What's your goal here. To get a couple more readers? To make a living with patreon?
>>25451522>Tea & Termites is a mystery thriller with horror, romanceStopped reading right there.
>>25451577To háve enough readers willing to discuss the narrative together while I write/publish it. That’s the most interesting aspect of fiction to me.
>>25451599Good luck.I don't see why you're only posting on Royal Road then, why not forums like Spacebattles or other sites like AO3/Wattpad?
>>25451610Wattpad is all women readers and Ao3 is fanfiction only. They should post on Scribblehub though.
>>25451610Thank you. I had already read WNs on RR before and it seemed to be the most beginner-friendly platform for someone without a pre-established community to post their fiction and have it seen.
>>25451618His work doesn't seem opposed to a female audience, and AO3 does have some original work buried beneath the gay fanfic slop. Scribblehub seems to be an option but they still have a similar meta to RR no? No harm in cross posting either way.
>>25451481Gemini told me writing non-isekai on RR is a waste of time because 95% of views go to rising stars.And recommend writing traditional fantasy on space battles instead.Has anyone tried? I get 20 views on RR, so can't be worse
>>25451661>hurr durr my novel flopped because it wasn't metaNo, it probably was just shit
>>25451677#gottem
Sci-fi, action, adventure, mystery, progression, crafting, strategy, war and military, apocalypse, kingdom building, survival, artificial intelligence, ruling class, romance subplot[No harem]Would you read it?
>>25451708what does "kingdom building" mean to you?
>>25451708>kingdom buildingThe other 15 random buzzwords might work together but this one is generally total shit unless it's the main focus. And only barely above shit even then, I don't think I've seen a good kingdom building story at all.
>>25451708>romanceNo thanks.
>>25451715Belisarius IN SPACE, but genius level across more domains than just war. But also primarily war and there's a bunch of cool wh40k scale (not necessarily flavor, I am going for firm scifi nobledark not soft scifi grimdark) battles on and off world.>>25451717Thank you, I'm iffy as well. I'm not sure I understand what people mean by it. >>25451719Kek
Fuck royal road fuck patreon fuck amazon I'm going to write futa smut on ao3
>>25451734Yeah but then it has to be fucking fan fiction. I'd rather write isekai cultivation shit than fanfiction.
>>25451737You can tag it as an original work actually
>>25451740Yes but will you get readers? If not and youre writing for fun then you might as well just post it straight to the recycle bin like I do with my occasional foray into self indulgent erotica
Started reading Archmage Coefficient yesterday and now I’m all caught up to the latest RR chapter. It was pretty good imo, maybe because my expectations were at the bottom because of how much /wng/ made fun of it. But it was a nice page turner and the main character is cute.
>>25451745There are works in that category with a good number of comments
>>25451752Then good luck. May your girl dicks never soften.
What am i in for
>xianxia MC's cheat is a soul impression within his glabella that gives him a>generic power boost and>can sense anything within a large sphere around himlol i suppose that's on the more tamer side of things
First person or third person?
How soon does one need to introduce the system and stats?
>>25451566keep seething, I'm sure that will make your novel more popular. LOL!
Read Surviving as an Office Worker in Monster Management Bureau
>>25451566I read it today. It's fucking surreal. The author engineered it really really well and I actually got drawn into the story by the (current, free) end a bit, although I am not a huge fan of his prose or much else except how well he... Idk how to explain it, signals scale and vastness-to-come?I think I understand the appeal of this shit now, at least, and he's definitely gonna get rich, and maybe probably deserves it. But holy shit the baby progression is like a fever dream I cannot go through that again.
>>25452299>I think I understand the appeal of this shit nowI still don't. Explain it to me in your own words.
>>25452162Instantly, but you can do it gradually. Like Book of the Dead introducing the concept by referring to how the local tavern owner is a level 7 cook or whatever and then not overly elaborating on it at that point.
>>25451708>Sci-fi>kingdom building
>>25452350I will now read your wn
>>25452435>he doesn't know about my post office
>>25452479I talk like that
>>25452479>Nobody talks like that.The dumbest criticism there can be for fiction. If characters were restricted to talking like real people all dialogue would consist of variations of "hi", "what?", and "I dunno"
>>25452479Do you want characters that talk like people talk?It's a huge amount of 'uhm', 'uh', 'yeah?', 'ah', stuttering, awkward pauses, and so on. And *yeah*, these are not brain farts, they're an integral part of natural speech. I forget what the exact term for them is right now, but editing them out makes the dialogue sound just as artificial.
>>25452497People really do talk like that though. Blessed are ye that you're not surrounded by faggots always making excuses so often they don't even realize they're doing it, they just think that's normal.Anyway if you're going to nitpick the dialogue over what is legitimately not an issue, webnovels probably aren't for you. Go back to tradpub.
>>25452497>Old habit when I'm feeling a little stressed.That's a completely normal sentence to say out loud in a conversation.Are you perhaps autistic?
>>25452524Well. He's right that it's pretty rare for people to state their motivations outright like that. Usually they will allude to them vaguely. Or they will talk to you as if they'd just told you that this is an old habit of theirs, skipping to the next point in the conversation without first establishing it. People don't like to be direct like that, and people may consider it rude or manipulative when you talk like that.
>>25452528Nah you're in the wrong and you're not going to argue your way past Gifted's massive success and you're incredibly noticeable lack of success.
>>25452528>>Are you perhaps autistic? >Yesalright>>25452531>replied my grandfatherWhy wouldn't her grandfather state his motivations outright like that?Are you perhaps autistic?
>>25452546You also don't need to seethe about this novel just because it's waaaaay more successful than your novel.
>gramps I've told you over and over not to smoke around my infant>sorryHe's not sorry, actually, and he'll do it again.>it's an old habitPlease forgive him he didn't mean it (but he'll do it again)>when I'm feeling stressedIn fact HE'S the victim, and now the mother is making it worse by chiding him (even though he promised not to do it, so he's both violating the boundary that was set AND breaking his promise AND indicating he'll do it again the next time his "old habit when he's feeling stressed" ((IE whenever the fuck he feels like it)) flares up)Misunderstanding that isn't what makes that anon autistic, by the way. It's missing the MC's next line which is the ACTUAL important part: MC is magic obsessed and doesn't care about his health. That's hot. That's what kids want to read and self-insert into.
>>25452542>Why wouldn't her grandfather state his motivations outright like that?>Are you perhaps autistic?I just wrote why. Because people don't talk like that. The only time people really state their motivations outright is when they think you're VERY stupid.Even when they're direct, they'll be direct in a circumspect way, like he wouldn't say "old habit when I'm feeling a little stressed", he'd say something like "old habits die hard", i.e., allude to being stressed (you're supposed to be able to pick up on him being stressed on your own) while trying to normalize his behaviour as a way to partly apologize for it. This is how a normal person talks. You would know if (You) weren't autistic, which I assume you're accusing everyone else of being in order to beat them to the punch because this insult gets levied at you a lot.
>>25452554>people don't talk like thatsee >>25452484 and >>25452485
What would Spectral Soul say in this situation?
Honestly I think the author's so used to overexplaining System mechanics that he overexplains basic character interactions also.
>>25452555>like the audience is low iq cattle.
>>25452554>he'd say something like "old habits die hard",Which is cliche and shit writing
>>25452571That advice has unironically gone out of favor according to youtube writing advice videos I keep getting in my feed. Also it always applied more to screenplays than novels.
>>25452571retarded commenters not getting it happened
>>2545257199% of writers repeating this mantra don't even understand what it actually means.
>>25452582This is just me but DCC. Holy shit the fandom blew up last year and everyone who talks about it IRL is the worst kind of annoying faggot. I don't know what Dinniman put in the second half of book 7, or maybe it's in the audiobooks, but there's SOMETHING that's either turning people into faggots, or attracting potential faggots like crazy.Thank God it's ending soon and the live action tv show will kill it when they fuck up the adaptation.
>>25452585name 3 youtube writing advice video creators you're doing the opposite of
Maybe we can turn this into a writing exercise. Rewrite the following chunk of text:>The old man reached into his pocket and pulled out his favourite pipe. Putting it to his lips, I watched it light on its own, the small flame visible only by the glow of the pipe as smoke puffed out like a tiny chimney.>My mother stepped away with me still held tightly in her arms.>"I told you I don't like you smoking around Sebastian, father," she admonished.>"Sorry, Penny," replied my grandfather, tamping out the pipe and tucking it away. "Old habit when I'm feeling a little stressed."
>>25452595Here:>The old man reached into his pocket and pulled out his favourite pipe. Putting it to his lips, I watched it light on its own, the small flame visible only by the glow of the pipe as smoke puffed out like a tiny chimney.>My mother stepped away with me still held tightly in her arms.>"I told you I don't like you smoking around Sebastian, father," she admonished.>"Sorry, Penny," replied my grandfather, tamping out the pipe and tucking it away. "Old habit when I'm feeling a little stressed."9k followers guaranteed
>>25452595It's completely fine as it is.
>>25452595>Vivi opened her eyes to the Burial Room of the Ashen Hierophant.>Having run the final boss fight of Seven Cataclysms at least a thousand times, she instantly recognized the scenery surrounding her. She groggily pushed herself up against the armrest of the massive obsidian throne, blinking around at the yawning spires enclosing the arena. Lava bubbled a dozen feet away, heat licking at her face, the sensation strangely vivid.>“What?” she mumbled, head foggy. “Where…how…?”>Hazily, she looked down at herself. She was dressed in a hooded black robe covering her from neck to ankles, a thick, luxurious garment gilded with swirling purple designs. It was a familiar piece of gear. As the best-in-slot robes for mages, she wore them around constantly. But they'd never felt so real. Uncomprehending, she tugged at the fabric, and it shifted across her skin.>The natural conclusion was that she’d fallen asleep still logged into the massively popular VRMMO The Seven Cataclysms. But there was one problem with that. Technology was improving fast, but even the most advanced games couldn’t imitate real life. Not to this degree.>The sound of bubbling lava, the sweltering heat, the feel of this robe brushing against her skin—those subtleties couldn’t be imitated.>“What in the world?”
>>25452619>Tch, smoking in front of the baby again!people don't talk like that
>>25452656true, she would go>"PUT THAT FUCKING SHIT OUT YOU OLD FAGGOT, I'VE TOLD YOU A BILLION FUKKEN TIMES GOD DAMMIT"
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/104434/the-elf-who-would-become-a-dragon-story-completehow is this one?
>>25452662>fmcit's shit
>>25452659>ya put dat shit down rite now or I's finna throw hands, nigga
>>25452395Nta, it's mainly mommy drama, and 1st pov consciousness stream, coupled with light litrpg and plot complexity of a mario game. There plenty of readers out there with mommy issues who can't into complexity.
>>25452595The old man slipped one weathered hand into his pocket and drew forth his beloved pipe, polished smooth by long years of use. He set the stem between his lips, and before my wondering eyes the bowl kindled of its own accord. I saw no flame save for the brief, ruddy glow that stirred within it, brightening and fading with each breath he drew. A thin curl of smoke followed, winding upward in lazy ribbons, until he seemed for all the world a little chimney given flesh and bone.My mother drew back at once, gathering me more closely against her breast as though even the smoke might lay claim to me.“I have told you, Father,” she said, and there was affection beneath the reproach, though it did little to soften her tone. “I do not like you smoking around Sebastian.”“Forgive me, Penny.”My grandfather sighed and took the pipe from his mouth. With a practiced thumb he smothered the glowing embers, then tucked it once more into his coat.“An old habit,” he murmured, the faintest trace of weariness entering his voice. “It has a way of finding me when I am troubled.”
>>25452714A wall of text just to say a man lit a pipe, of course in every second paragraph there also has to be some mommy bullshit
>>25452595>The old man reached into his pocket, producing a well-loved pipe that he put to his lips. It lit itself, the flame within making the pipe glow with warmth. A single puff of smoke spread as Grandfather thought.>My mother looked down at me clutched to her chest, back at her father, and then softly cleared her throat.>Grandfather coughed, and not because of the smoke. The pipe went out, was stuffed back into the pocket it'd come from, and grandfather's ruddy cheeks seemed to have gained some additional color.
>>25452714>the old man lit his pipe>"don't do that here", she said>"I'll do what I want, bitch"
What are gu?
>>25452892Man is the spirit of all living beings, Gu is the essence of heaven and earth!
>>25452706>mommy dramaPicked the fuck up
2600 chapters of shadow slave in.AMA
>>25452941Why didn't you just read Reverend Insanity?
>>25452949I've already read Reverend insanity, that's why.
>>25452941Does the MC ever fuck? I don't want to read a novel with a perma-virgin MC.
>>25452941Went to shit after the tomb arc
I just read Surviving as a Knight in Murim. I dunno where they got the cover from because that's completely different to what the story's about, but decent stuff if you're into k-slop. I'm expecting it to never update again.
>>25452969Ye.It's not SAO 16.5, and it does take some time to get there but yes Sunny does fuck.There's a really hilarious spoiler I got a at like chapter 150 or something that doesn't become relevant for a thousand chapters but knowing the context its fucking hilarious so I'll throw it here verbatim so you can experience it too.Effie gets knocked up by a nameless literal who guy>>25452974Tomb was kind of stupidly convoluted, but I liked it for the most part.Ironically I find Guiltythree is doing his best work when he's doing slice of life chapters between the big arcs. Letting this shit breathe is really important but in the latest arc I read he's kind of stopped doing that which is really frustrating. It's just one mini-arc to the next without any downtime.
Gifted, with Spectral Soul baby.
A question has been begged.How many stories must one traditionally-publish before the grace of /wng/ allows one to self-publish? This fella has sold over 300 (three hundred) stories AND self-publishes novels and short stories on Amazon to buy groceries >_<
>>25452992>Spectral Soul reincarnated in a western fantasy setting where everyone is nice to the point where it makes the reader want to puke.I'd read that.
>Readers will get mad if there's no romance>But will also get mad if the MC isn't fucking because they'll think he's a loserWhich is it?
>anon #1 = anon #2>I'm not retardedWhich is it?
>>25453254Only gooners read gooner stories. And of course gooners are upset if there's no gooning in those stories. Are you stupid?
>>25453275This is an observable fact even in non-smut stories.
>>25453275dumb retard, I don't need an explicit description of the sexual activities, I just need to know I'm not reading the story of a pathetic loser simp cuck virgin MC.
>>25453254This >>25453275 is true. Readers don't want romance and they don't want smut.
>>25453325ACKSHUALLYReaders (women) want romance and smut else modern literature would not be held up by romantasy. What a dark time to be alive.
>>25453337We are talking different platforms and different audiences. KU readers (women) want romance and smut but Royal Road and webnovel readers (men) do not want it.
>>25453275Very true. Looking at story interaction on Questionable Questing makes me want to die.So many cool ideas and good writing ruined by the inclusion of smut. Only Reverend Rizzanity remains peak. The awful title doesn't reflect the story properly at all.
>>25453358>Royal Road and webnovel readers (men) do not want it.Dam when u rite u rite...>Best completed:>The Unexpected Engagement of the Marvelous Mr. Penn>The Elf Who Would Become A Dragon>A Journey of Black and Red>Thia [Eldritch Slice of Life]>Otherworld Therapy>Best ongoing:>Headless Over Heels [A Dark Fantasy Romance] in #1>Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess (by cocopi, I have to add this or the ritual poster will put me on his list)>Magical Girl Mechanical HeartShit, uh, shut it down.
>>25453358>>25453337Unlike 4chan, RR/KU has more than 1 user with multiple sock accounts. And different people want different things. Shocking, I know.
>>25453442Why didn't you include Mother of Learning? It's fucking peak! (it's also #1, like wtf are you doing?????)
>>25453448I have no idea why you quoted me and if your goal was to confuse me then you succeeded.>second poster
>>25453456These are the ones that involve romance, MoL does not even if half the novel is MC talking to his female friends.
>>25453461Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi has no romance though.
>>25453462It's tagged romance, and I only read the first few chapters but it seemed to be setting her up with the rival lawyer or something no? gonna get back to it at some point probably.
>>25453448>foids infesting and taking over male spacesThat's why we can't have nice things anymore.
The moids are malding
>>25453442>Talking about popularity>Anon brings up the best-rated listis it the same tard every time or why do people do this? sort by followers. lots of stuff is rated high but not that popular
>arguing about the golden path to successNobody here ever takes the first step, which is writing good. The only people who DO attempt to write are /wg/gers who wander in desperate for someone to read their work, and it's always bloviating trash at a prose/sentence/paragraph level.Someone who actually wants to succeed will try to copy what the greats are doing (they're self-evident and there's no need to argue about who is great and who's not, just pick three and steal what they're doing). Then they will take the feedback they get from the audience and iterate and improve on their own developing their own style and voice.Personally I think that, before even writing, someone who hasn't read at least 100 chapters of 10 different webnovels on their platform has no chance. How else can one understand what the reader population wants than reading what they read and enjoy? Arguing here on 4chan.org/lit sure won't work.
>>25453616Is a story that has 4000 followers after 4 years of posting more popular than a story that has 1000 followers after 4 weeks of posting?
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
>>25453656The latter, it probably made it onto rising stars. The other story has no visibility and is buried under a bunch of other 4k stories
cultivation novels featuring rape and degeneracy?
>>25452987>I dunno where they got the cover from because that's completely different to what the story's aboutFor some reason Arcane Translations came up with a bunch of OC donut steel titles for the shit they translated along with generating a bunch of AI covers often ripping off the real covers the shit they were translating already fucking had (and occasionally using AI ripoffs of characters from completely unrelated series).I have literally no fucking idea what possessed them to do that shit. "Surviving as a Knight in Murim" is actually A Medieval Knight in a Martial Arts Novel (that was one of the less egregious fake titles) and the cover for "Surviving as a Knight in Murim" is actually an AI dupe of a cover for Solo Swordmaster.>I'm expecting it to never update again.It's fully translated.>https://fucknovelpia.com/novel/surviving-as-a-knight-in-murim?v=vmerge20260613_130958If you're using fucknovelpedia, you always need to double check the page to see if there are other versions uploaded with more chapters/images/a better translation.
>>25453462Clara Casewell is very obviously romance between Clara and Warren, like it couldn't be any more clear. Pretty sure it says that in the blurb too
>>25453704Also, everyone involved in that fuckery is in my prayers.
>I have literally no fucking idea what possessed them to do that shit.AI users are legitimately mentally ill. They do not respect art at all, and genuinely see no problem with desecrating someone else's art like that. They're like psychopaths with murder. It just doesn't register as wrong to them.He probably sees his changes either as an improvement, or as his own art now that he's smeared AI all over it. He has none of the humility of a translator.
>>25453720@grok improve this
>>25453442>The Elf Who Would Become A DragonOh shit it completed? Hell yeah I’ll read the last volume now then.
>>25452595Grandfather lit his elvish bong with a magic incantation, because this is a fantasy novel, you see? The water gurgled as he took a megadeep hit of the substance that definitely wasnt tobacco, as this is a fantasy world and tobacco is a uniquely American product, and America doesn't exist in this story. Crosseyed, grandfather exhaled smoke in this webnovel that is written for children too young to buy drugs. Smoke enveloped the baby's face and grandfather whispered, "Now I feel normal again." "Whaaat are you doooing?!!!" my harpy bitch mother screamed. She shattered grandfather's one bong to rule them all into a million cursed pieces. "Even though this is a fantasy world primarially based on medieval Europe I have a very modern opinion that smoking is bad for your health because the author can't conceive of cultures where smoking among children is normal or regarded as medicinal!"
>>25454421>smoking being seen as rude = smoking being known as a health hazarduh oh retard alertsmoking in the presence of others was rude far before before the cigarette industry marketed it as cool and refined, you're the one smuggling in modern commentary
>>25454435Right. I'm sure the mother was worried grandfather would offend the baby with his rudeness.
>>25452595I watched as the old fuck started smoking for some stupid reason. I hated that cunt.My mom stepped away from him, holding me in her arms. My head rested against her fat tits."Stop smoking fag," she told him."Ah hell. I forgot that children are vulnerable to second hand smoke." He put his pipe away and pulled out small transparent plastic bag filled with some sort of white powder.
>>25453679So would you agree that ordering by followers doesn't actually show popularity accurately...?
>>25452988He is nameless ok but a literal who is too much!
>>25454421Healers and mages used magic to figure out that smoking was bad for your health 300 years prior or something.Stuff like this doesn't matter and most readers will never even notice, also Tolkien got away with potatoes so who cares.
>>25454540Magic used to change men into women so Fang Yuan can have sex with them without it being gay
>>25454465Yeah it doesn't. What shows it is Patreon subs.
>>25454546>turn your best bro into a real woman and have sex with herBased ngl
>>25454548Surely there must be a service to fake patreon subs? Like we have viewbotting. I suspect random kickstarter that got funded quickly were faked too.
>>25454561Wouldn't something like this work on patreon:>have $1000>make 100 accounts that each pledge $10>gets 100x$10>just recycle the same sum>people see you're making big bucks>oh shit must be an amazing story>get increasingly more organic subs>get boosted by algorithms>successSure you lose the processing fee, but you only need to do this for a while in the beginning to get traffic and can then gradually unsub the dummy accounts
>>25454642I think you'd need a hundred paypal accounts or whatever too, otherwise Patreon's gonna notice that it's all coming from the same person.
How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love Fetus Math And Sneak Level Grinding
>>25454769Those early chapters of Gifted are kind of incredible because numbers are going up but it's all meaningless numbers doing basic shit that literally any normal person can do. Wow, he's managed to... walk!
>>25454421In my setting, only the easterners smoke.And in the east, there's a stigma that if you smoke, you're an unironic brothel whore.
>>25454852>Wow, he's managed to... walk!INTELLIGENCE: +99999RIZMA: +SUGMAPENIS: MAX
i don't care how many times you mention gifted I'm still not going to read it.
>>25454762Why would they care? Paying yourself isn't against any rules
is there any point in uploading to substack? It seems like a closed system with zero discoverability. Unless you have emails to send out your stuff, no one will ever find it. Maybe I'm wrong.
>>25455008Substack has a Twitter equivalent with its own algorithm and its own network of influencers. While RR specifically has a lot of pro-author systems in particular with the ad space stuff and multiple popularity lists you can end up on (including RS), Substack has the advantage of its userbase being readers as much as they are writers meaning there's interconnected support as opposed to the only people talking being the writers who can't exactly speak for the readers.
>>25454852the most apt description I have ever heard about this kind of novel is "a protagonists who get praised even for pissing and shitting his pants in public."
Where can I read the latest chapters of Gifted (other than subscribing to patreon) ?
>>25455171become a EU citizen, subscribe to the patreon, read the chapters, refund the subscription
>>25455171start by google "kemono alternatives", that's a site that used to share patreon content but got taken down by you-know-who
>>25455166That literally happens, since the protagonist's a baby and all.
why are you having a melty over this slop? people read garbage nothing new get over it
>>25455229It's not about the fact that they read garbage but the fact that they are paying for this garbage.
>>25455238also nothing new since the dawn of time
>>25455242They should be paying for my garbage (good) instead of shit garbage (bad).
>>25455250post your garbage (good)
I will give any royalroad novel posted here a 0.5 star rating btw.
>>25455253I already have and no one's read it, at least as far as I know.
>>25455314don't worry bro, I'm sure your novel (which is way better than gifted) will rise to the top very soon!
>>25454561No but you don't even need a service to fake ratings. You can just ask your discord buddies
redpill me on your webnovel's setting anontell me why should i read it
>>25455353Urban fantasy where you can enter a dungeon to die horribly.It has cute girls.
>>25455369>Urban fantasy where you can enter a dungeon to die horribly.yawn>It has cute girls.tell me more
>>25455372>tell me moreOne is on a spectrum and the other is a cop that puts criminals in jail or into dirt, while trying to balance it with putting only the people who deserve it into the aforementioned.They orbit the MC, who is a criminal, but is also otherwise a pretty swell guy.Also I lied because the dungeons are not actually dungeons. They're spontaneously appearing bubbles of warped space and exotic particles that cause all sorts of problems and occurrences. If one appears right on top of you and you know you have at least okayish resistance to them, then you just need to survive long enough until someone comes and leads you out.
>>25455353Its set during a interstellar war that has gone on for 150 years between a decadent absolute empire and a equally corrupted democratic confederacy of independent systems, there's space fleet battles, mechas, and legally distinct newtypes
Godclads is the /lit/ equiv of this.
>>25455468Godclads is truly one of the few unique and interesting things on royalroad.
>>25455468Unlike Mad God, Godclads doesn't actively fall apart in the second half as the author loses interest in the project as a whole and uses it as an outlet for random gore shorts.
>>25455545and now the author is writing path of deathless
>>25454852Literally every day for the past week I have remembered the "counting fetus grinding numeracy" thing and lose my shit laughing. The author is a fucking genius.
>>25455421Neat, I thought I was the only one ripping off legends of the galactic heroes this brazenly
>>25455378I think he was being, you know, ironic. Nobody actually, literally wanted to hear more.
>>25455378>guyyou had me until this part.
>>25455378This is actually kind of interesting, what's the deal with MC?
So if Hatharen regenerate backwards, does that mean you can have virgin sex Panty style with one forever and ever
>>25455667sure i guess
sex with ferene
>>25455597Understandable.>>25455664>what's the deal with MC?He's basically a NEET who goes into those bubbles that will sooner or later give you horrible cancer (or just straight up mutate you into a silicate animal that looks vaguely humanoid) and pulls out valuables that were Duplicated by the AZs.He has a moral code that he sticks to, which is only to take the dupes and leave everything else. It helps that it also helps keep him out of trouble. Duped jewelry and such doesn't bring much heat, and duped secret documents, while valuable, are easily deniable.Since he's a criminal it would make sense that the cop girl would want to throw his ass into jail (mostly to stop him from killing himself) but on their first encounter he risked getting gibbed to save a panicking little girl.He's not a hero and he doesn't try to be one. In fact, he's been doing this from the start and he's still alive, which is quite an accomplishment. Literally one wrong step can break your neck and kill you in an AZ, and you will most likely not even get a funeral - getting corpses out is too risky, time-consuming, and ultimately unprofitable.Oh, and in a world where people get super powers from being in an AZ, guess what his is.That's right! He doesn't have any!
>>25455732>Since he's a criminal it would make sense that the cop girl>girlWhy is it a female cop? Make the cop male.
>>25455754girls are cuter than boys
>>25455756I don't care about appearances, characters can be good looking, plain looking or ugly. It does not matter.
>>25455760then they can appear as girls
>>25455767I don't care about that. If you are writing a story about a criminal and a cop trying to catch him, make the cop male. The dynamic of such story will be matter of fact and busineslike, if a criminal is male and the cop is female then it will likely turn into some shit drama, even if it doesn't readers will have to be constantly on guard for such a possibility.
>>25455353Welsh girl wakes up in fantasy 18th century. She's not the chosen one.
>>25455754>Make the cop male.Sorry I'm not gay.
>>25455785You want to read a story about a man being pursued by another man?
>>25455830My diary desu
>>25455732>spoilerLike, why though? On a meta-level, how is it interesting to have a character who is completely exempt from fantastical elements of your story?I never found those sorts of stories compelling, both because when they commit to the bit it just gets frustrating to read and when they don't it feels like a bait-and-switch
>>25455853He's not exempt. He's Literally (You). He's also not the only one.He's just shit out of luck and any reasonable person would stay out. A reasonable person would find a normal job and try to put enough together to have a decent life.The MC decided that he's not going to do that, and instead he'll go into highly deadly and dangerous places to make a few months' worth of working normally, then just take it easy.
>>25455304You're full of shit. I'm still waiting for my one star review you promised me last month.
>>25455304You won't do shit.You could already have to spreadsheetfag's list.
if you, as a man, are given the choice to write literally any character you want, and you write a man, or even multiple men, you are gay.
if you, as a man, are given the choice to write literally any character you want, and you write a woman, or even multiple women, you are a tranny.
>>25455754because of zootopia
>“Pedro de Bragança. It was you who wrote this play, wasn’t it? You killed Anis Clovos.”no way!!!!11
>>25455811>>25455830It will be a detective story, there won't be any romance/smut in it.
reading /wng/ cretins rag on Gifted or MLA has been a great exercise in why you shouldn't listen to anyone's opinion on your writing
>>25456525You're right, anon. >When someone tells you something's wrong or doesn't work for them, they are almost always right. When they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong.t. Neil Gaiman
>>25455468>LitRPGPass
>thread slowed down from 2 posts per minute to 3 posts an hour What went wrong?
>>25456680writers
>>25452662>fmcit's kino
Is The Runic Artist (same author as Gifted) any good? I'm about to download the audiobook (from the bay of course).
>>25456227coal>>25456238gem
>>25456765>coal>gemfaggot
>>25456770keyed
>depowered arc>war arc>academy arc>infiltration arc>mourning arc>wedding arcWhich of these do you hate most?
>>25456802all of them. court arc is where it's at.
>>25456802womb counting arc
>>25456802Are you calling me out, dick?
>>25456483Not in my story. There definitely will be romance.
>>25456802I dont hate arcs in general I think, just depends how they play outI dont think I've even read a wedding arc though
gifted 25-72 limewire.com/d/piwXB#2ZzMnoVW0R>what would spectral soul do?
>>25452997Dang. I thought this could have been an interesting conversation topic. I don't know of anyone else who self-publishes /now/ AND has a higher quantity of published stories. Or long-term trad-pub authors that have been giving the self-pub route a try.
>>25457045>limewireI'm not a south american pedophile thanks.
How can this be? My (Next) Glorious Life (as a Max-Level Archmage) can't rival Grifted and is flopping hard. Is the magic gone? Is shitting your diapers really the new hot thing?
>>25457045>LimeWire is back! The iconic platform that helped millions of users in the 2000s to discover their favourite music and share files globally, has made a comeback. The new LimeWire once again reshapes the way people can store, create and collaborate on content, with the power of AI. Relaunched in 2022, LimeWire’s file-sharing platform is used by millions of individuals and businesses to securely upload, create and transfer files of any size, across every device.>The LimeWire Token, LMWR, is the utility token at the heart of the LimeWire ecosystem. Within the LimeWire file-sharing platform LMWR serves as a method of payment as well as as a rewards currency for our most loyal and active users. To learn more about the LimeWire token, click here.I wish there were webnovels half as dystopian as this
>>25451661I post trad fantasy to Royal Road slowly, and accumulate viewership just as slowly. But I do have readers.
>>25451661Gemini is full of shit.
>>25451661>trusting llm's without research>gemini at thatlol, lmao even. Are you also one of those people that post barely edited aisloppa and wonder why you have no readers?
Seeing Gifted completely mind broken /wng/ for the past several threads is hilarious.>A subgenre about numbers going up, created solely to appeal to power level autists.>/wng/ is surprised that a book becomes successful for having numbers go up.This is like how you guys became convinced that Max LV Archmage was successful because of having a female lead, instead of the fuck-you-I’m-OP-so-I-can-do-whatever-I-want aspect of it, which is right there in the title.
is mla or gifted better
>>25457146both are shit, read Reverend Insanity instead (it gets good after ~200-400 chapters). it's peak.
>>25457124>>A subgenre about numbers going up, created solely to appeal to power level autists.>>/wng/ is surprised that a book becomes successful for having numbers go up.It's precisely because Gifted is so bad at progression that it makes /wng/ mad.
>>25456765>coal>gemstraggot
>>25457124My main character is an archmage that does whatever he wants and no one can stop him. Where do I collect my money?
>>25457105>Are you also one of those people that post barely edited aisloppa and wonder why you have no readers?No. Writing is hobby, having AI do it would take the enjoyment.>>25457091Beginning to think so, taking look on orginal fiction page. It actually looks more dead any sotry on RR.>every day someone will post 100K story>0 replies>maybe get 3 likes>then buriedAlso, even there half the stuff is LitRPG... Truly every corner of the writing web is infected by it.
>>25457267Patreon
>>25457327Isn't working too well.
>>25457345Your story likely has issues.
>>25457365The MC bullies women and wears Hugo Boss-inspired uniforms so perhaps.
Understanding the RR audience better (I think) has really made me hate amateur writers. So many stories are just attempts to shoehorn the shit the authors like down the throat of pure retards who know what they like by tricking them. Shameful.
>>25457388I am going to include maids and poker into my stories and you are not going to shame me.
>>25457388Also reading three (?) million words of web novels in two weeks has given me[FORBIDDEN INSIGHT OF METAVERSE TIER MENTAL RETARDATION: -9001 INT, +6900 WIS][SPIRITUAL GAZE OF THE FAT WEEB: CHA SET TO F RANK, +77777% DAMAGE AGAINST FEMININE TYPE GAME ENTITIES][AURA OF THE TRANNOID: DICK SIZE SET TO F RANK, GAIN IMMUNITY TO "CHUD" TYPE OFFENSIVE SPELLS]
>>25457396Nah that's badass
>>25457399>AURA OF THE TRANNOIDAh, I take it you have read Bioshifter.
>>25456686>it's the writers spamming about gu, spectral soul and telling you to read Clara Casewell
When does Erin get tolerable? I like the world, but fuck me.
>>25456802i would love an aryan arc if it existed
>>25457396think his post more meant the people who slap litrpg on the story and then its not really a litrpgdeliberate misadvertising is big there
>>25457548Wandering inn? If you don't like her around the time Skinner shows up, she's probably just never clicking for you. If catch up though, you might be enjoy Volume 10 more than me since she's less than side character at this point
Has there ever been a decent wn from AO3? Crossposting doesn't count
>>25458130This one is pretty prolific in terms of scope.https://archiveofourown.org/series/309633Over five million words across 45 different stories, several ongoing with wordcounts well over 250K each. It's a fantasy epic world all written by one guy that has been ongoing for over ten years who is heavily invested in writing out this world.The caveat?It's also gay erotica.
>>25458135I suppose he's following his dreams
I saw this and it was like a 'Nam flashback today.I always find it weird when people advertise their story when its not new and they're not aiming for RS.
>>25458266/ourguy/
>>25458266Well, the dude managed to get a few hundred followers for an abomination that should've normally had none, so guess it was worth it for him.
>>25458307Sure but it's been over for months. Is there any merit in running an ad now that it's completed? Or did he just pause a campaign and forget about it until now?I thought I was free from these stupid confounding mysteries, and he's pulled me back in with this bullshit. I'm tempted to turn user ads off again.
>>25458314Uhh, there are writers out there who actually want their stories to still be read even after they've ended. An abstract concept, I know.
>>25458314Well if you're not updating the only way to get new readers is with ads.
>>25458314ah yes, fff anon who shat up the thread for a year even before wng came to be
I really wish the world economy wasn't that bad so it would be pretty easy to convince people to pay you so I could continue writing without having to work a job that pulls me away from writing.
>>25458351Same but with programming
>>25458356Just make a fun game that provides people with a lot of fun for many hours and you will have income trickle in.
>>25458357It's a creative process (just like writing), and working another job completely disrupts the state of mind required for creativity. My most productive hours are when I wake up and late afternoon just before evening yet I spend them in the most unproductive way possible (getting ready for work and travelling home from work)
>>25458350/wng/ is about a year old now
>>25458387even now his ghost continues to haunt wng
>>25458106Not that far in yet, I'm somewhere just after Gazi showed up. She's a little better, but the whole 'omg i killed some goblins imma go catatonic' arc pissed me off so much I'm still annoyed.Series should focus solely on Relk and Horns, fuck the human interlopers.
>>25458351I can't give you this advice on main but I can tell you the secret is mental health disability fraud, Mr. Young (Yes I know it's you, you use that image all the time and that's like every third thing you talk about)I haven't worked in months because of the same mental breakdown that got me to start writing, and I'm getting paid for it by my job.
>>25458620>mental health disability fraudI'm afraid that in my country, the foil against the mental health disability fraud is the "die homeless you useless faggot".
>>25458629There's always a grift or scam, it's a matter of finding it. Ethics are gay, cheat and find your bag. The second the money runs low and I get evicted I'm taking to couch surfing like the hippie writers of yore. You need to develop the negroid passion of refusing to get a real job.
I no longer care about the fmc discord, I found the yuri fic cord.
>>25458642That's still ultimately FMC, no?
>>25458645It's a different set of authors with a different set of stories.
what the FUCK is a yuri?
>>25458650The bald guy from red alert 2
>>25456802Any arc where the victory condition is simply to return to the status quo from before the beginning of the arc inherently sucks. This is why kidnapping plots, depowerment plots, and internal conflict plots always suck. You're writing an arc where the conclusion is simply to get back to the beginning.
>fuck off to novel updates to let my RRL bookmarks accumulate chapters>come back months later>none of them significantly progressed plotwise
>>25458660Man, the worst plot by far is the 'they spend the entire story working towards the treasure, finally obtain it, and then after they make it to safety they immediately lose it to something inane over like two pages'. I don't know what the word for this plot is. But it's the worst one.
>>25456802Tournament arc
RRL kinda sucks balls now. And by now I mean its somehow degraded beyond being 90% litrpg by volume. What is the go to western webnovel aggregator for finding new webnovels??
>>25458867Wattpad
>>25458869
>>25458871Scribblehub
>>25458867>RRLNigga they dropped Legends from the name 10 years ago
>>25458881Paranormal should be porn
>>25458881What the FUCK is The Wattys?
>>25458910It's like the Hugo Awards just more LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA+
>>25458881do the same for >>25458873
>>25452892
>>25458881horror is also porn
>>25458650It's like futa but gay.
>>25454540
>fmc discord>it's all male authors
>>25459424FMC, not FWriter.
>>25459424Well, yes.Do you not understand why lesbian porn is mostly watched by men? Why men like playing female characters? Same thing. WOW A THING I LIKE, BUT WRITTEN AS AN ACTUAL PERSON RATHER THAN A VAPID VILE HAG
gifted 73-75 limewire.com/d/qOC8t#lnG6kc4xlGpass same as before
>>25459565Do not download it's just a hundred gigabytes of dolphin erotica.
RR down for anyone else?
>>25459583Downloading now.
>>25459656Yep, same here. It's over. Ir** finally got 'em.
Working for me
My next WN project shall be a time travel story where I (literally myself with a very slightly altered name) get sent back to my past with system abilities, and all the characters will be the people I didn't like as a kid (my entire class from grades 1-8).I think this one will be a hit.
>>25451481What website can I post my writing in? I just do it for fun t b h but it would be nice to post idk
>>25459815the OP literally writes out a list
>>25459815Retarded retard
>>25459813true real and basedlink it if you do write it, i will give you a follow and read
>>25459821nta but the OP is outdated and it doesn't explain what the differences are between the sites and what you would post where. Wattpadd and Ao3 are just listed like they are the same as Royal Road.
>>25459905it depends on what you write which anon didn't even specify so wattpad and ao3 could easily be better than royalroad for him. a tourist like him probably doesnt write power fantasy slop or litrpgalso, what is outdated?
>>25459424How many on HRT?
Max Level Archmage clones are still kicking, just change Archmage to something else.
>>25459985Max Level Incel.
>>25459985Ultimately the circle returns to its start, which is simple OPMC. Archmage is just a subgenre of that.
>Some fag who kept writing walls of text complaining about shit not in my WN hit me with a 1-star (No proof but I'm betting good odds since the rating lines up with his progress on chapters)>It's not a review so I can't dispute it>Cost me over a month's growth and tanked my average scoreDon't give me any "How few ratings do you have for it to matter that much," the exact math I can tell you is that one 1-star rating outperforms several 5-star ratings across the same time period. Genuinely psychotic math RR is using. 1% of my ratings somehow are more impactful than 18% of my ratings from the past month.I need to start blocking whiny fags the second they start commenting. This is insane.
>>25460114Simply friendfarm and swap ratings with the tranny cartel.
>>25460119I am unfortunately very openly racist and several forms of phobic and the number of guys who do that publicly and not just /wng/ are me, Isaac Young, and the one who posts the "You are the blackest gorilla nigger I've ever seen" image macro. We are not out-performing the damage 1-stars are capable of for no goddamn reason.
>>25460122>I am unfortunately very openly racistI am openly trying to use my writing persona to be the better person than I really am but I think I leak into my writing anyway.
>>25460135I'm actually a lot more placid and reasonable in my writing. Pretty racially diverse cast, some particularly hippie-ish ideals, the most conservative it gets is that Christianity is technically the one true religion.That just doesn't stop me from being very open about my opinions on brown people or people who cut their dicks off on social media.No tranny cartel for a guy like me, unfortunately.
>>25460114The system IS weighted in favor of negative ratings. Rank is determined by a calculation of the lower bound of an error bar around the average of all ratings. So if you have a lot of 5s and a lot of 0.5s, averaging 4.5 total, your rank will be much worse than a fiction that only has 4.5 star ratings.This makes it CRUCIAL to use the synopsis to DRIVE AWAY readers who might start reading your work and dislike it. You want them not to even click the first chapter, so that they never even get the chance to rate. This is why you see the laundry list of "my story contains X, Y, and Z and DOESN'T contain D, E, and F."It doesn't really ever get better the more ratings you have, either. Even with hundreds of ratings, a 0.5 rating requires like 7-10 5 star ratings to claw back to the same rank prior to the 0.5, and obviously it's worse the higher your average rating is.If you're writing a long running fiction, you'll want to periodically ask your up-to-date readers to take a moment to leave a ranking, because they're more likely to leave a high ranking than a low one if they've read so far. And yes, if someone posts a negative comment on an early chapter, it's best to ban them immediately. It's also a good idea to delete their comments so other readers get the impression they're alone in having negative thoughts, and make them more reluctant to express them.It's a really stupid system that rewards review-bombing campaigns massively. Low ratings need a serious nerf and written reviews need a buff in the algorithm, and there needs to be some kind of system beyond just invisible likes and dislikes for reviews to incentivize review writers.
>>25460253>it's best to ban them immediately. It's also a good idea to delete their comments so other readers get the impression they're alone in having negative thoughts, and make them more reluctant to express them.What a system.
Hyper creampie intense baby making sex with Taradira desu senpaitachi
I've spent the last week writing up a realistic dieselpunk arsenal for my westoid xianxia rewrite how are you doingi got a counterbalanced AR that siphons the recoil force to boost the next shot and it's got toggle lock flappers to vent white magic smoke as a byproduct of the recoil booster mechanicsthis is the coolest shit i've written all year
>>25460436yeah ok
>>25459985It hasn't gained even 100 new followers over the past week, but somehow shot up on RS when several other stories fell out from between. Crazy
>>25460442idk what that means but that sounds like some good technobabble, neat
>>25460495It's heavily based on real mechanics of firearms with only a little magic technobabble, in the recoil absorption and bullet boosting bitsthe gas tap is like an AK, but upside down (or rather, an M1 garand, as an AK is an upside down M1 garand). the flapper vents move like the toggle lock on a Luger pistol but sideways. the counterbalance is literally what it sounds like. You put gears and counterweights inside the gun and autism about the weight distribution until you make it so that the gun cancels out its own recoil and you can shoot like a laser. The AK-107 did this.
>>25452756This is pretty gud.
>>25459583>a hundred gigabytes of dolphin erotica.>16.9KB
>>25459583is there any hot dolphin-human action? asking for a friend
>>25460695it's a zipbomb that unpacks into 100gb of the same picture of dolphin pussy
>>25460253>If you're writing a long running fiction, you'll want to periodically ask your up-to-date readers to take a moment to leave a rankingI've done this like 60 times in the past month and they still won't do it. I genuinely hate my readers sometimes.
>>25460476She looks like she fucks human men.
>>25460253The issue with nerfing low ratingss that they have weight for a reason. People skew towards high by default, resulting in insincere ratings. If you have basic grammar and plot structure that's automatically 4.5 stars to 75% of the website. That 1 star review could either be retarded vindictive behavior or the one sane voice in the crowd. The yids at RR are too hopeful the latter is the case. That or they know it's the former and they're farming loosh.
>>25460848You'll probably want to explain why they should. I unconsciously tune out any "like comment subscribe" bullshit from anyone asking for it because literally everyone does it these days, and I had no idea how much of a nuke bad ratings were for the algorithm until the anon up the thread explained it.
thoughts?
>>25460896>I became the scoundrel 1 and a half starsI liked it, though
>>25460948you have shit taste and should do what the author did
>>25460848I once asked for reviews and none of the 1000 people reading every chapter posted a single review. I'm never begging those niggers again
You can be nice
>>25460999>and should do what the author didWhat did he do?
>>25461138nta but he died in April
>>25461145What the fuck? I was saving chapters for later
>>25461175
>author of 'I Became The Scoundrel In The Popular Dating Sim' diesand nothing of value was lost.
>>25461205did he anhero?she makes it sound like one of those freak accidents that might happen. like maybe drinking too much on your birthday sort of thing
if i died none of my family members would know to post an update on my story about my death
>>25460865Yeah, it's a tough nut to crack. That's why I said nerf the rating and buff the review. Maybe disallow 0.5-1 star ratings without at least a written review explaining why it's bad, to slow down reviewbomb campaigns.I recall a mod on the RR forums talking about how they have too many authors and not enough readers (from a money perspective, but he was pretending it was a community thing), and that was the source of the problems. It's not. Not really. Readers already have it about as good as possible on RR. They can read, free, without even making an account. But if authors are driven away by site features that psychologically punish them, eventually the well will dry and the thirsty readers will just go somewhere else. AUTHORS should be catered to.There's also a big discoverability problem that is overwhelming the RS list/algorithm. There's tons of good stories that get lost in the churn and never find their audience. Amazon, and books in general, have had the same problem for basically forever. The addition of new tags was a good first step but even more granularity would help, I think, and pushing readers to use filters more. Don't like romance? Filter it. That would help cut down on negative ratings, too, because at least then it's on the author for not tagging correctly.But I think the big problem is the review system. A more robust review system would create an ecosystem of reviewers, and readers who follow /reviewers/, who could then maybe shed some light on hidden gems and help readers find more things to read similar to what they already like.
>>25461205>He was such a kind, thoughtful soul>The author of "I became the scoundrel..."Shouldn't laugh but damn
>>25461205nice scam if you want to abandon a story without getting flack for it
>>25461380on a related tangent: have none of these writers been doxxed?
>>25461380Why fucking fake your death when you can just create a new account?
>>25461388they barely qualify as micro celebrities, who would bother
>>25461358>That's why I said nerf the rating and buff the review.This is how you get review cabals
>>25461485There are already shoutout swap cabals. Review cabals are slightly more open and transparent and they trade on their reputation with each BS review they put up to shill something objectively bad or quash something good.There may not be a perfect solution. Tradpub never figured it out over the last few centuries.
>>25461380retarded take, authors can and do just ghost their readers.
>>25461491Shoutout swaps are basically just free ads that appear on the the stories. You have to swap with someone that has readers to begin with.
>>25461491>There may not be a perfect solutionnothing in the world doesthere is only a least-worst solution
>>25461358The issue is every medium besides vidya is scared of doing a true Steam-like platform. Steam isn't even good, it's just the least shit, but if places like RR could follow it more closely in terms of promotion and ratings, I bet you good money both readers and authors would have a huge uptick.
>>25461643Hell, if there was at least a good book/story recommendation engine. I hear a lot of positive things about Letterboxd.
>>25461491Shout out cabals at least take established authors. If you let the normie masses manipulate shit easily, the site will become a mess. 100 manipulators turn into 10,000
>>25461643RR staff is tiny they can't even make it so you can stub and unstub a story without deleting and then reuploading chapters
>>25461683that feature does exist lol
>>25460896>The World Sphere (No longer stubbing for KU on April 2nd, book 1 will stay up till book 2 is fully edited)Damn what a banger!
>>25461683>RR staff is tinyThey take $50 a pop for a fucking ad.
>>25461828They're Israeli.
>>25461828I'm not sure how much you think servers and staff cost, and how many people are buying royalroad ads, but there's a reason their staff is tinythis tiny niche serial site is not printing money
>>25461848I know which is why I scoff at the idea of >hurr durr they're a tiny crew.Yeah, they're a tiny crew, and they take $50 a fucking pop for an ad. What the fuck is stopping them from hiring a lowly jeet to be their janny and then hiring actual Whites to be mods?>>25461991>I'm not sure how much you think servers and staffServers cost the price of electricity if you are not fucking braindead retarded. Staff is a trickier question, but I know for a fact they get ad money.>this tiny niche serial site is not printing moneyNo one said it is. I said the kikes can afford to hire more people, but they won't.
>>25461998one software engineer is gonna be around 100,000 a year. how many ads do you think they are selling?and no, servers and bandwidth and storage space are not cheap at scale, not sure what you're smokingI'm sure theyre not losing money but I'd cut my nuts off if theyre turning any impressive profit
I'm nooooticing again
>>25461998>What the fuck is stopping them from hiringGreed? Are you an idiot?
>>25462055Which cabal is this? Might start my own.
>>25461998>What the fuck is stopping them from hiring a lowly jeet to be their janny and then hiring actual Whites to be mods?I will start with saying I myself am Jewish. Let me tell you a story:I once told my grandfather, also a Jewish (Holocaust refugee) I would like $60 for my birthday to buy a video game.He said "$40!? What do you need $20 for!?"
>>25462030>how many ads do you think they are selling?More than 2000 a year.
>>25451481My current blurb is:>A crumbling kingdom reeks of desperation, and like a dying deer, it draws in the wolves eager to consume it whole.I'm thinking of replacing it with:>The Kingdom of Rihall is crumbling. By all accounts, the decadent realm should have been easy prey to its expansionist neighbor, the Retonese Empire. However, each invasion has been repelled by the sheer merit and determination of its venerable constable. The said constable has now grown old and wishes to retire, but the boy-king won't let him. Despite the desperation to find a worthy successor to defend the kingdom, the Constable has overlooked the obvious candidate of his nephew, Cale, who has always aspired to take on the mantle. Cale is sent to escort Princess Aucina to a neighboring kingdom to secure an alliance against the Retonese. However, little does Cale know Aucina has betrayed everyone.Think that's better?
>>25462101first one doesn't tell me anythingsecond one is too long; I didnt read past "The decadent realm"
>>25462134so blurb should be 6 words?
>>25462140Not the bait anon but a blurb should inform the potential reader why they should care about your story.It's not the place for exposition or backstory. It's your only shot to hook someone.When you hook someone, you can gently ease them into the backstory, worldbuilding, and whatever the fuck, but don't blow your shot with a shitty blurb.I don't think I'm in the place to talk with my blurbs, but I stand by what I say, I'm just bad at applying it.
lol I didn't know patreon comments had auto moderation. They were really mad about the betrayal.That said my backlog is non-existent and I've been reworking this one chapter for a week now, and I'm feeling pretty good about what I decided to do with it. I'm going to carry that anger forward and turn it into motivation and a small bit of recklessness! The readers will love it.
>>25462149I guess I don't understand art of a blurb.It's either backstory or it spoils the book.
>>25462168>It's either backstory or it spoils the book.If your entire story hinges on the initial surprise then you need to rethink the plot.It's better to spoil an early surprise than to have people skip your story.Think of it like this - if someone reads your spoiler and wants to learn more, is that really bad?It can be the best plot twist in the world, but nobody gives a fuck if nobody reads the first few pages to get to it.
>>25462030>how many ads do you think they are selling?Actually from what I read, too many. That's what the root of their "too many authors not enough readers" complaint was. They had sold more ad views than they could reasonably deliver to readers in a given time frame, so they wanted some way to attract more readers (to serve them ads).They should probably raise the prices for their ads across the board. Also they do need to do more to bring in readers and spread them across more authors than just the top 100 but that goes back to the discussion earlier in the thread about ratings and reviews.They should also probably be collaborating with Matt Dinniman more directly, too. Bring him back on the platform and get him shilling for it. Zogarth and Shirtaloon, too. Basically all the big hitters need to be cajoled into feeding new fans back onto the original platform to keep it growing.
>write a chapter>"this chapter has a pretty decent chunk of comedy and made ME chuckle while writing, so it should be pretty fun">give it to reader>"it's boring">write another chapter>"this chapter is pretty atmospheric and gives an inner view into the MC's turmoil and internal conflict, it also has a lot of symbolism and horror elements on top of just having cool shit">"no way it will be a miss" I think to myself>give it to reader>"it's boring"I think I should fucking kill myself.
>>25462201>>give it to readerMust be nice
>>25462203At this point I have no fucking idea what I'm doing wrong. I think I might be a shit writer. "Nothing happens" is what I keep getting told but then stuff happened over last 2 chapters before that one, and now it's back to "it's boring" and "nothing happens".Is every single chapter meant to be non-stop action in a mixed slice of life-action story?
>>25462210They're stupid, anon. Follow the ratings and not the comments.
>>25462210Show it to us anon, we'll tell you the truth
>>25462214My ratings are shit and the reader that I'm giving it to is not even a RR reader.>>25462223It got lukewarm/no reaction last time so I'll pass. It's not ready for public release yet.
>>25462201>"this chapter has a pretty decent chunk of comedy and made ME chuckle while writing, so it should be pretty fun">give it to reader>"it's boring"This is a prose issue. Your sentences lack impact and your sense of buildup tension and comedic relief isn't working. Copy the pattern of some other comedy book until it feels natural.>"this chapter is pretty atmospheric and gives an inner view into the MC's turmoil and internal conflict, it also has a lot of symbolism and horror elements on top of just having cool shit">"it's boring"That's because nothing happened. "Atmospheric" and "inner view" and "internal conflict" are all boring. You're writing for a 120IQ audience of pseuds who think the best parts of the Iliad are the introspective scenes rather than the awesome fights. You need to dumb down your chapters to the level of a 100IQ normal person who wants to read about cool things HAPPENING, not people moaning about internal psychological struggles. Go read some ROMANCES, and get that NOVEL shit out of your mind. Read some Arthurian legends, Beowulf, etc where stuff HAPPENS. Maybe watch some 80s action movies, like Predator or Die Hard.If someone must have an internal conflict, you have to externalize it into a choice, and the choice the MC makes had better lead to something exploding. Like the end of Fight Club.
>be me>want to write a cool recoil recycler system>naturally come up with counterweights>spend a week researching and spitballing and reworking the placements of everything considering the movement and balance of this fictional gun>ultimately end up doing a sleeker ripoff of the AEK971's BARS systemwell the russians did get it right so i guess it's fine
>>25462300>If someone must have an internal conflict, you have to externalize it into a choiceIn that chapter that was boring MC literally jumps off a roof.>the choice the MC makes had better lead to something explodingYeah his grind of doing things slowly but safely goes right out the window after that. He's motivated to grindmonkey efficiently because it's not for himself.This chapter was boring.I don't know what to do.
>>25462308r*ssians are retarded so no they didn't get it right.You are free to rip off my flywheel linear-rotational energy conversion recoil system. I don't think I will actually ever have the means to put it into a gun, so feel free to steal it.
>>25462343Russians are retarded in many ways but they can into gunsI made my system simpler than the russian BARS system but ultimately counterweights are the most logical one i can think of because it's limited and mundane enough to be used on a mass production weaponA full on "yeah we just suck up the recoil force directly" system is too high tier for this fictional mass production rifleI'll take you up on your offer for my rarer prototype BAR rifle writeup tho thanks
>>25462354The joke is that their shitty AEK is useless and isn't being mass produced. Whether r*ssians are too shit to produce it or the gun is just not worth the effort is up to your mileage.Vector and its meme recoil system is too complicated for what it is, too. KARD was interesting but same thing.The simplest and the most effective recoil dampening system to date is still the simple and humble gas redirection, aka. the fucking muzzle brake. You cannot cheat physics. Action equals reaction, and propelling reaction mass using a chemical reaction means you'll need to do some work to keep the gun from flying out of your hands.In layman's terms, that means hold it harder in your fucking hands.
>>25462374The AEK971 was good, it was not fully adopted due to Procurement Momentum. The design got refined and eventually adopted by russian special forces in i think like 2019.In short, none of the results of Project Abakan were fully adopted, because they're not 100% compatible with the supply lines of the conventional AK family.That's it. That's the reason.It's the same reason the US keeps doing design contests for the gun to replace the M16. And then not adopting any of them, or at best adopting them partially. Because the new guns aren't compatible with the M16's supply system.The widespread and famous Kriss Vector has a similar counterweight recoil compensation system called the Super V System. Ultimately it's not an issue with the concept, it's an issue with military industrial complex momentum.
>>25462385correction: the aek's successor, the KORD, was announced for adoption in 2018 and was adopted in 2020
>>25462394>the aek's successor, the KORD, was announced for adoption in 2018 and was adopted in 2020>It is believed that the order included approximately 500 units intended for Spetsnaz and the Russian Airborne Forces.My point stands that all of the VEH DEH VEH rare guns are now with Ukrainian armed forces because 500 guns aren't exactly mass-production.Yeah, if you're writing a thing about a medieval setting suddenly getting guns, 500 is probably enough to take down some kingdoms and that probably falls under "mass production", but modern warfare churns through numbers like that in hours at most.
>>25462402Are you being retarded on purpose or do you have Ruzzzia Derangement Complex that forces you to sperg about everything to do with them?
>>25462408>>25462402Like seriously, I despise the commies and modern russia on a political level, since I'm a slavigger, but that doesn't mean I am too blinded by my hatred to acknowledge the objective merits of some of their military hardware.
>>25462412Someone should write a butthurt belter isekai. Reborn in another world they'd still find a way to make their whole identity complaining about Russia.
>>25462408Sure, let's pretend that epik Su-34 is an epik fighter plane that will totally take on NATO, all 15 airframes of it.Let's pretend le epik Kalibr will le Kalibrate entirety of Europe, despite Ukraine basically already having a better equivalent.Let's pretend epik Kokoshnik would totally wipe out the piggers, if we had working nukes, but that's fine, we can just wipe them out with the uninterceptable hypersonic Kinzhals, which are just regular missiles fired off a bomber, and can be intercepted like any other missile.The swarms of impenetrable T72s could easily overrun Europe, if they still had any working. But they don't need those, of course, they have T14 Armatas, all 20 or 90 of them. Somewhere. Surely.>>25462412>the objective merits of some of their military hardware.Such as?I'll give you that they really know how to send a T72 turret far. Americans would never!
>>25462437>Sure, let's pretend that epik Su-34 is an epik fighter plane that will totally take on NATO, all 15 airframes of it.That's not what I said. None of your spergery is what I said.I get that it's very difficult for you to comprehend that someone might be able to despise a regime and its actions without being a complete propaganda zombie, but give it a try.
>>25462439>None of your spergery is what I said.I said that r*ssian military hardware is fucking dogshit and you disagreed and implied that it's about r*ssia the state, which has very little to do with its superior incarnation, the USSR, which at least knew how to produce highly complex and mechanical goods, such as engines, even if they were inferior to the western counterparts.USSR hardware is dogshit, and r*ssian hardware is just outright laughably shit. But why argue on the internet when there is literally video evidence of this "superior hardware" being completely trashed?Please, do tell me how the epik VSS can just go through body armor like butter, because you saw that in a video game, or something.
>>25462447Keep going, you're doing a great job making my point for me.
>>25462450If r*ssian arms and systems were good there would be more countries than india and some African warlord states buying them.
This used to be about web novels
>>25462452Must be hard being a /k/troon these days and having to cope with getting btfo by fucking Iran.
>>25462462Odd of you to assume that I'm an American or even support bombing brown people in the sandbox.>>25462459>make a non-factual statement>get fucking bodied by facts>OMG DERANGED TROONMan I don't even fucking care - there's literal video evidence that I'm not going to post because it's a blue board and it features trad based rassiyan hardware users being turned into unrecognizable meat because rassiyan hardware is so good.
>>25462452Ah, yes, russian arms never got used by anyone other than russia at all, and anyone who ever used any russian firearm other than an ak has puked from how terrible it was.You are profoundly fucking retarded. I am designing a magic dieselpunk gun here designed to maximize the capabilities of a single soldier due to the need to fight low-level cultivators with mortal means, so the development of the weapon's lineage inevitably arrived at the point of a gun that siphons its own recoil force and then uses the stored energy to boost the next fired shot using a magitech muzzle booster device, with the mechanism's secondary function also being a counterbalanced recoil system.Which happens to resemble the AEK971's system. Because using a counterweight to try and maximize accuracy has been done more times than you would expect, because a compensator isn't enough sometimes, if it was not enough or a perfect system nobody would bother trying counterweight systems.And because the AEK971 happens to be russian, you sperged about MUH RUZZZIA LITERALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING THEY LITERALLY SEND SOLDIERS INTO THE FIELD WITH ONE GUN TO A SQUAD LIKE THE PLA DID AND THEY SEND HUMAN WAVES INTO DRONES DURR DURRWill you also sperg at me about being le nootsi for liking the Stg44? Am I a french nationalist for liking the MAS44? Is the Krag Jorgensen a magically terrible gun because I, who likes le bad ruzzian gun, also likes it? Dumb motherfucker.
>>25462471>>25462476When I said I liked russian hardware, I should have been more specific about guns. I like their GUNS. SMALL. ARMS.
>>25462476No but you're a fucking retard that never shot an AEK and if you would, you'd know why it never entered mass production.
>>25462480I've shot a Vector and that was enough to make me a counterweight system believer.But the most important part here is that I'm writing fictional guns that are supposed to be weird and overdesigned on purpose. Because it's DIESELPUNK, STUPID.
>>25462482>I've shot a Vector and that was enough to make me a counterweight system believer.Now that does not exactly refute my point, does it? Retard.I come from an industrial nation where "mass production" being defined by "a quantity higher than 1 unit" is laughable. My nation's rifles are mass produced to the point of being sent out to kill r*ssians. The same r*ssians using their epik trad rifles.The recoil system provides placebo benefit while skyrocketing the costs. That's why it never took off.>But the most important part here is that I'm writing fictional guns that are supposed to be weird and overdesigned on purpose.And you're looking at r*ssian guns? How about 1800s America or fucking CHINA of all places?
>I'm writing fictional overdesigned guns!>looks at r*ssiaThe more I think about this statement the more fucking shocked I am. I feel like I was just flipped backwards in my chair out of sheer fucking retardation of this line.Switzerland and Germany exist. Holy fuck.
>>25462081Not by much
>>25462486muh durr de durr industrul nation me so stronk me so big production numbersmuhh le bad ruzzian recoil system derrDieselpunk is early to mid 20th century dipshit. You're thinking about Steampunk.I'm taking whatever mechanical element appeals to me, so I have guns with systems lifted from all sorts of places, since this is fantasy and thus any system can be justified as being devised pretty easily.I have a gun that is basically a mutant of the krag and mauser, a gun that is basically a roided c96, one that is just a backported KSG 410 (specifically this one for the shape) in 12ga with a stamped sheet metal chassis. I freely take gun designs from everywhere.But it's the automatic rifle's counterweight system that made you sperg out. Because muh ruzzia. And you have no counterargument because it's true, so you writhe.>>25462489nice samefag, fag
>>25462492>"Omg RR is such a small site!"This is fucking laughable because it's a BBS forum in a tranny dress. They host text. TEXT.They don't host massive amount of images, not any more than a normal BBS forum would.People back in 2000s could figure out hosting a BBS forum from their own fucking shitty PC, but pissraelis can't host a trannyBBS off ad money and hire some jannies to provide a better environment for BOTH readers AND writers?The only explanation is greed, which is the most obvious and likely one, but come the fuck on, they're actual pissraelis. You're telling me the simple answer is the actual answer?
>>25462197first interesting strategy that's actually sensible that I've ever seen when people complain about RRissue is the core staff are some turbo nerds who made a translation site for niche websloppa and it sort of blew up organically. they don't want to run pr campaigns and make deals. these are not moguls trying to milk the site and its honestly why RR has done wellpeople complain about improper management for growing without realizing milking the fuck out of everyone at every stage is "proper" for growthrr has its issues but the staff are kinda based compared to 99.9% of sites
>>25462498So I assume you already have a caseless ammo abomination and a piece of shit that requires basically a whole gunsmith to reload a magazine?
>>25462504mentally ill
>>25462507I haven't gotten around to caseless yet, the AR is the one I've been working on so far. After this I'll flesh out some shotguns.I don't think I want to write up a Pancor Jackhammer type piece of shit since it obviously wouldn't get to production during wartime.I do have piece of shit converted old flintlocks that soldiers got issued like six of at a time and the squads larped as pirates to cope
>>25462509No counter-argument. I could have a RR-type site running off my old PC if I could be fucked to buy a new PSU for it.
>>25457045>>25459565Who was pass?
>>25462459Just finished binging Crow and the Rabbit. put it off for so long because of it's length but glad I gave it a try. Really solid, my only real complaint was too much frowning, not enough Feren specializing in running, and I feel splitting all the non-Feren povs into separate chapters from her's could've worked better.
>>25462533Chinese worms.
>>25462514retard
>>25462554>oy vey the goyim know quick remind them that we're their greatest ally and a small team!
>>25462514I can have a YouTube like site on my rig too in one claude prompt Great argument
>>25462559Are you arguing that it costs something to run a site other than electricity? That you need to keep paying this elusive software engineer?
Do think I write about my harpy MC shitting on people during aerial flybys or is that too alienating a trait for a monster MC?
>>25462577how fat is her cloaca?
>>25462224Are you the guy that used units named Varangians and Janissary in the same sci-fi story?
>>25462708No we're not the same guy. I've been publishing my sci-fi story with the Varangians and Janissary stuff since January. Those 2 specific chapters never ended up being published/used in the story, however.
>>25462567you are so stupid I can't even comprehend your argument
