what's the most meaningful insight you've gained on life, the universe, reality, the nature of our existence, etc...After reading all that philosophy?
>>25454452everything is relations of movement and rest on a plane of consistency
>>25454453Elaborate.
>>25454471no
>>25454452Language provably (using language) does not mean anything. This hermeneutic gap is why you watch Road Runner cartoons, that and to knife fight french Philosophers.
>>25454480Fuck you.
People don't change
>>25454480Can I try to elaborate for you?
>>25454452Most people are impulse driven pack animals incapable of transcendence.
>>25454515if you dare...
>>25454523What even is transcendence?
>>25454606when their impulses and environment conditions compel enough pack animals to organise into a centralised state with a palatial administration, the priest caste cunningly seals off a certain secret chamber of the palace and put up a big sign announcing to everyone that that's where they keep all the transcendence, and while you're not allowed to see it it's the only reason anything else in life could ever have value.
>>25454606be like the buddha and dont support your children
>>25454523this is interesting because its very nietzche and apropos our current momentid say youre not going to philosophize yourself into morality; nor into freedom; nor into creativity, etc etc.there are philosophies to make you static and philosophies to make you mobile.there are philosophies (negativity) that can embrace their limitations to good ends.consciousness can be changed. and there is nothing more powerful to recognize, except its opposite, that the herd exists, really exists, and will run us all off the cliff given the chance.
after a while reading all starts to feel nonsensical, you read possibly for two reasons, to be able to use words convincingly to get money, exist and be content, or to convince yourself of the pointlessness of it all and rebel as last ditch contrarian effort. Usually those reasons are in conflict and the more you read and think one of those reasons will take priority, which one is not in your control.
>>25454625lame
Society and ideologies define the frame in which we think and act when we know and when we don't know it. Most of what people think as necessity (that is not necessary) is actually defined by ideologyScientific discourse and rationalization deny any questions outside their playground implicitly and explicitlyThere is knowledge outside findings of empirical methods and that knowledge defines the truths of empirical methods
>>25454612This. Transcendence is a meme.
>>25454662One interesting answer in this thread. Kierkegaard talked about this.
>>25454452Reason functions like an instrument not like a system of truths you acquire and then call it a day. You have to reason again and again, think, then rethink, then criticise, then start over again. There are principles but they are just the starting points, the road of reason needs to be traveled over and over again.Also the most insight is gained from ethics.
>>25454671Thoughts on the subjectivity of human experience.
>>25454700Do you want to know my thoughts on subjectivity or are you stating that my post is about subjectivity?
>>25454483>Language provably (using language) does not mean anything.Directly self-contradictory nonsense.
>>25454452You can enjoy bread without knowing how to bake it, but not philosophy. How can you talk about the sea to a frog at the bottom of a well?
>>25454452Life is just the beginning. Don't take anything too seriously. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the Kali Yuga ride.
>>25454664Your mom's a meme, too
>Form is emptiness; emptiness is form.>The Ātman is Brahman.^tie between those two
>>25454801I just want to know your thoughts on subjectivity. Yes.
if you are a good person you will be happy :)))))
>>25454452Living a good life should be the first priority instead of jerking off to big words.
>>25454936totally agree. now to figure out what 'living a good life' means...
>>25454452The spirit is a stomach, the "most meaningful insight" is similar to asking what the most delectable meal was I ever ate. There are many and my constitution isn't a result from a single meal. However, a particularly meaningful insight I discovered recently is Nietzsche's metamorphoses of the spirit, the camel the lion and the child. I found it fascinating that the Japanese have similar set of laws toward mastery called shu-ha-ri (learn the rules - break the rules - transcend the rules). A law being discovered in very different places (in both time and space) says a lot.
Can't pick one:>Most problems in philosophy (particularly metaphysics and epistemology) can never be solved, but are easily dissolved. >Happiness is making peace with the ordinary.>Humans are not rational beings, they are animals that sometimes think.>Society and civilization are extremely complex problems and the reason "true socialism has never been tried" is because it is physically impossible for a governing body to reach and maintain a societal-theoretical framework for too long.>Video games and anime are the ultimate art forms (so far).>Treat every man as your brother and every woman as your sister.>Mathematics is closer to philosophy than science.
>>25455244>>Mathematics is closer to philosophy than scienceDo you mean Pythagoras specifically or the fact that numbers are a man made subject that humans use to describe the world around us?
>>25454523Correct. Identifying they aren’t capable of transcendence is still giving them too much credit though, most of them aren’t capable of consciousness.
>>25454452The universe sprang from a contradiction
>>25455244You've learned nothing.
I basically got one-shotted by Plato after reading The Republic. I think the Forms or something like them are clearly real.I also think that Justice is a disposition of the soul, primarily speaking. It's an ordering of things, a harmony, rather than any particular act of a person or the State.
>>25455539I think the Forms are like Jung's Collective Unconscious.
>>25454452That you need to be born into a reasonably well off family, doesn't have to be rich, just enough to inherit a profitable business or some rental properties or anything where you're not actually forced to work for a living (for someone else). That's pretty much all that there is to life.
>>25455579Slave morality cope.
>>25454452Hobbes in his preface to De Cive says that any retarded faggot can philosophize, it's the easiest of all sciences (if you call it science). He was right.
>>25454452>science is not the truth; instead it is a collection of perspectives; in that sense, it does not "explain" but only remembers and, compared to only one perspective, more accurately sees; hence, you're allowed to"explain" the world to yourself, however you want >mathematics is only a very extensive and archive of perspectives with a very human architecture; which is the reason, why it is resonating with science>language is always inaccurate, since there are no two things that are alike; however, an alternative does not exist and, for that reason, it has much power over the minds of people and, therefore, over the world>life and death are not opposed; instead, life is more accurately understood as a very rare appearance of deathand much more
Content aside, it is clear from reading the ancient philosophers that humanity has had the same thoughts and the same intelligence for thousands of years. It's common to think of the ancients as stupid, but they really were just like us. This is a humbling fact to acknowledge and it has implications for worldviews.
>>25454924Morality and happiness are quite disconnected actually
>>25454452Ascribing stable, fixed identities to people/things is a tool of convenience for some parts of day-to-day life but is counter-productive for understanding anything on a deeper level. Everything is in some manner of flux and passing through thresholds from one state to another.
>>25456176I find it's actually the opposite. Once a person has settled into who they are (some do so in their 30s, others in their 40s) they stay exactly the same the rest of their lives. The same thoughts, same opinions, same hobbies, etc.
>>25456184I settled when I was 14. I'm 36 now and I'm still basically the same person I was then. I've kept a diary since I was 12, so I can verify this objectively. I changed a lot from age 12 to age 14, but since then, basically no change.
>>25455503And you think you're capable of transcendence?
>>25455731>>science is not the truth; instead it is a collection of perspectives; in that sense, it does not "explain" but only remembers and, compared to only one perspective, more accurately sees; hence, you're allowed to"explain" the world to yourself, however you wantElaborate.
>>25454452Philosophy, psychology, any human activity is all peacock feathers. "Positive change" is accident from peacocking too hard.
>>25455244>>Most problems in philosophy (particularly metaphysics and epistemology) can never be solved, but are easily dissolved.This is a common reoccurrence in your list.*>>Happiness is making peace with the ordinary.This is so abstract and made-up that it's irrelevant to happiness as any lived experience. Do you have to not just believe, but also have just the right concrete and intuitive definitions of: making peace, peace, presence of the ordinary - to be happy?>>Humans are not rational beings, they are animals that sometimes think.*Rationality is based on what humans think is rational, in the first place.>>Society and civilization are extremely complex problems and the reason "true socialism has never been tried" is because it is physically impossible for a governing body to reach and maintain a societal-theoretical framework for too long.They aren't problems, and they are not anything in particular.>>Video games and anime are the ultimate art forms (so far).Only if the aesthetics/artstyles are good.>>Treat every man as your brother and every woman as your sister.I love incest!>>Mathematics is closer to philosophy than science*No difference.
>>25456196I'm kinda the same. I remember putting the pieces together at about 10 that, if all matter and energy are ruled by unbreakable laws, then a sufficiently powerful computer with total knowledge of the laws and placement of matter and energy for any split second could calculate the rest of time perfectly unfolding (I had invented my own Laplace's demon). I've definitely learned a lot since then, but I feel the same inclinations are basically the same.
>>25454700Subjectivity is the reference point for all knowledge. Everything has to be experienced, thought through and articulated by an i. I think all attempts to transcend the subject-object dichotomy is futile. It’s ingrained into our structure of thought, perception and language.
Almost no one who actually reads huges amounts of theory is going to post in this thread because the primary thing you actually learn from doing that is intellectual humility and recognising people you disagree with can actually have good reasons for doing so. No one who thinks that way is going to post their personal hot takes in a thread like they're objective factst. someone who reads 30 books a year
>>25456563good points. but idk, one would hope anyone who reads huge amounts of theory would also have the wit and sensibility to approach this thread as like, a challenge to come up with a compressed and evocative nietzsche-style aphorism. craft your aphorism and then recede back into the mists without further explanation. and hope you've sparked something in some other anon. what i mean is, i don't want your post to discourage anyone from posting something good.
>>25456567>a challenge to come up with a compressed and evocative nietzsche-style aphorismI mean we've had aphorism threads before, just make one of those. But aphorisms are mainly just assertions and when you read a lot you learn assertions need to be justified, or at least need to preempt possible criticisms. Even Nietzsche didn't just compress everything down into short soundbites, even if he wasn't writing in a typical essay format most of the timeTo help boost the quality of the thread a bit and stop myself from just being a condescending fag I'll at least comment that the most genuinely interesting idea I've come across are McTaggart's theories on time being unreal
What you cast out will hit back
>>25454452Know thyself
>>25454452>lift moreFrom Socrates.>disregard women, masturbate whenever you feel like itFrom Diogenes.
>>25454452* Happiness is affirmed mastery* A sense of ownership is a requisite for happiness* Egoism and a sense of Property lies everywhere. And the word"property", what one considers his to enjoy can be extended to many things. e.g. If I clean up a trash object in a public space, I do it because I feel I own a place, even if it is "public", and not solely mine, it is because I take enjoyment from it, and I view it as my responsibility to clean it because of this sense of property. If third worlders do not respect public space, it is not out of a lack of caring for the good others, but a lack of a sense of property, they view nothing as their own, "it is the responsibility of others" they say, and so they trash everything as a result, because they do not own, they do not feel the need to own either. * Greek "Virtue/Arete" is self-mastery* Ideal and Material realms should be united to be each be moderated lest they destroy you; uniting ideal and material is what we call aesthetic activity; man is an aesthetic animal* Beauty is the aesthetic of strength* Nature likes concentration, hierarchy* Every concept and essence is merely an encapsulation of symmetry in substances* War makes you stronger; to grow you need to test the limit of your strength and go beyond; relatedly, you reinforce your beliefs best by trying to destroy them as much as you can, not by seeking validation, but for this, you need incredible honesty, to seek true strong opponents, and not just pit yourself against easy things and stagnate.>>25455859This is wrong, everything is connected to one end and the one end is Happiness, for us.
>>25454452When socrateys says that he doesnt know any thing. He is telling you not to listen to him or any other philosophers. It is the only true statement a philosopher has ever made. I had that phrase "Socrartes says that he knows nothing" on a post it note that I had on my book shelf. Very important. No one has said it better
>>25455539based>>25455562>platonic idealism is like watered-down gnosticimlol
>>25456296I have a soul and I’m conscious, so yes.
>>25454480#subscribe
>>25457319Relam of Forms and the Collective Unconscious are both metaphysical. Both require collection agreement on what and object is.
>>25454805NTA. You can use language to convey meaning but meaning is not an inherent property of language
>>25457403>both are metaphysicalAnd? Do you think this is an argument? Did you know that Leibniz and Nishitani are also both metaphysicians?
>>25457528>doesn't even know when xir is in an argumentKek!Did you know that both you and homos suuk cocks?
>>25454452We cant all be the center of the universe. Either we're all protagonist or we're all NPCs
>>25454452That true knowledge is impossible, you don't really know anything, especially what you think you know, and neither does anyone else. You don't even know that much for sure. Act accordingly.
>>25455539>I think the Forms or something like them are clearly real.Based. Most people act like this anyway, they might as well just accept it.
>>25456303>the truth is never going to be accessible to us; think of the Eifel tower, as an example; nobody has ever fully seen the Eifel tower; from when it was built to the day when it is gone, from all the perspectives, close up, far away, from all directions, all at once; it is an impossibility; but the more perspectives you have on the tower, the more accurately you'll be able to describe it; that is obvious>for example, the Newton's discovery of gravity was him seeing the fall of the apple in the orbit of the moon and the planets; in this sense, Newton had sharpened his sight on what "fall" is; the mathematics of Newton's, calculus, is the ossification of his insight and an archiving of it>however, it is not an explanation, *why* it is happening; for that it is necessary that there is a "reason" or a cause; but, in actuality, if we looked very closely and wholly at the world, we'd not see causes, at all; there is only a continuum of "causes" that are inseparable; the truth in a word; a cause, and the concept of an "explanation", that is only a human misconception and bias>that, however, frees you and gives you the chance to interpret the "why" and create poetically a narrative, a story for yourself; you've got the prerogative to egoistically define what the world and your existence in it meansBy the way, science does not only not explain, it does not "predict", either. If your eyesight is sharper, then, naturally, you're going to see further. That is all it is.
>>25454452That Love, which comes from the wellspring of God, is beautiful and the most important of virtues, acts and emotions.
>>25457403
>>25457632>Act accordingly.Meaning, act as if true knowledge is possible and you have it.
>>25457319Well actually, I wrote this article the other day which referenced both Plato and Gnosticism.https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/hume-van-til-and-the-gnostics
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>>25457757
>>25456755/philosophy
>>25454453Maximally based.https://ia601908.us.archive.org/13/items/si-msane-10-vessia/SiMSANE10-Vessia-Polished.txt
>25457805>I don't read, so I concede
>>25457528Based Leibniz convinced that calculus was about more than just math. When calculus seeps in deep enough into a student it changes them. It is after all the science of continuous change. It is even more than metaphysics it is a style of thought.Bergson knew:https://www.religion-online.org/article/influence-as-confluence-bergson-and-whitehead/>In this paper I take it as prima facie established that Professor Gunter is correct. Bergson placed a high importance on the role of the calculus for grounding contemporary science in an intuitive but rational way. Gunter is also correct, I think, is holding that what Bergson meant by "intuition" includes both qualitative and quantitative aspects. I take it as established that, for Bergson, calculus is more than just a handy metaphor or analogy, but rather, he indeed aimed at framing an approach to the organicist world hypothesis that employs the calculus as its actual method of discovery (i.e., differentiation) and explanation (i.e., integration), and that every discovery is the inverse of an explanation and every explanation the derivative of a discovery. And I take it as established that Hausman has shown a means whereby we can understand Bergson’s approach as both metaphorical and rationalWhitehead knew. Deleuze knew. Charles Sanders Peirce knew.Calculus is the best kind of mind virus.
>>25457757>these two things are a number but are different>therefore, everything that is similar is actually differentYou literally disproved your argument with your own argument, retard
>>25454452That philosophy is overrated and art is more fulfilling.
>>25455859then you don't know what morality or happiness are :)))))
>>25457654Thanks interesting perspective.
>>25457742Hello Chris Nolan.
I don't get Kant>you should let a murderer kill you and anyone you know because it's le heckin bad to lie
>>25454452When Kierkegaard said his whole "get married or don't, you will regret it" thing, I took it to mean that you should take the proactive option, you'll regret both, so might as well do the active choice. Is this what he meant though?
>>25454452there are more things in heaven and earth, anon, than are dreamt of in your philosophy
>>25458016i'm also more drawn to art but i think we need philosophy right now to figure out why art seems to have lost its power to be fulfilling
>>25454452
>philosophers please help>soren kirkegardNo
>>25460367Kill YOURSELF
>what's the most meaningful insight you've gained on life, the universe, reality, the nature of our existence, etc...After reading all that philosophy?Kant is a fuckwit.
>>25460632Seethe Kantkek.
>>25454452Other people exist. They have roughly the same degree of internality, ability to experience pleasure and pain, roughly the same level of meaning in and to their life. Of the options to either ignore them, destroy them, or collaborate with them collaboration is somewhat obviously the best option both for oneself but also for these roughly equal others.As such, I am a communist. I devote much of my time outside of my job in either social work, supportive reading, or intentional creative pursuits to deepen my connection with humanity. These include reading literature in the park in sunshine or in a somewhat trendy cafe with coffee in the rain or snow. Of course we write bad poetry, drink heavily and publicly with friends, fuck and argue. As a separate existential consideration I lift freeweights 1-2 hours 3-4 days a week. There's no better way to bring oneself to reality other than pain. The reciprocal of iron versus physical agency is a hard check. A dire thing. Assume a deadlift and the totality of gravity must be grappled, not some fixed arbitrary impossibility but a task that can be accomplished given a quantifiable amount of meat and sufficient degree of willpower. Assume a bench press and dangle death over your throat, batting it as a toy with each breath and rep. If you haven't already I highly recommend it.
>>25454483True, and the observation of such has roughly the same degree of meaning.>>25454606This >>25454612And to the degree that anyone actually believes it; it's cope.>>25454619Nietzsche, on any level of serious scrutiny or rigor, falls apart. He sounds nice on paper but at the end of the day is the final boss of midbrow pseuds. And he's fun, I won't deny that, subsequent thinkers spin interesting yarns from his corpus. Any time the question "What does this actually mean?" is asked, the Nietzsche fan enter paroxysms.
>>25454662This, though that last point I'd contend, Discovery if not metric does not equal not empirical as observation and perception themselves are instruments. Yes, even pneunomena and qualia. This >>25454671feeds neatly.>>25454669Not really, he discussed the insuffciency of science's descriptive and explanatory powers but ideological social shaping are latter developments.>>25454818This is fucking retarded. "There is water, a liquid in which you swim. There are bodies of water elsewhere much larger and deeper, with higher concentrations of salt and many animals living within them. Some bodies are sooo big, gravity and wind effect their motion."It not speaking the King's English is hardly my fault or frankly my problem.You can enjoy the taste of bread. You cannot appreciate it fully without knowing it fully, which includes its production. Yes, you'll never know it fully and have to instantiate an arbitrary cut off, doing so at taste is fucking retarded.>>25454879Form is itself content and description, the thought of form itself precludes emptiness.
>>25457927>reading comprehension>strawman fallacyConcession accepted, brown.
>>25461207>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>YOU CAN'T USE MY OWN ARGUMENT TO DISPROVE MEEEEEEEE>SHUT UP I WIN SHUT UP I WIN SHUT UP I WIN SHUT UP I WIN SHUT UP I WIN WINkek, I accept (((your))) acknowledgment that (((you))) lost and (((your))) malding melty
>>25461134Thoughts on transcendence?
>>25461250Covered here: >>25461131>This >>25454612>And to the degree that anyone actually believes it; it's cope.
>>25461122Alright, give me half of your stuff.
>>25461540Theoretical motiviation necessity of the theory>Maxwell equations postulated that the speed of light c is constant in the vacuum >Maxwell equations are invariant under Lorentz transformations and not under Galilei transformations; the former is a consequence of the constancy of c and the latter is derived from the former in the limit v \ll c >Newtonian mechanics is reproduced in the limit of relativistic mechanicsExperimental verification for the theory of special relativity (outside of Michelson Morley)>muon decay in the atmosphere>Keating experiment with atomic clocks in the 1970s>confirmation of the existence of antiprotons by Segrè and Chamberlain in the 1950s
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>>25461824Sure, give me all of yours first we'll put it in one big pile with all of mine. For a fair share one of us will split the pile and the other will get first choice of the split.You fit my above model but picked "destroy" or subvert when confronted with the problem of other people. Collaborating people should see you as a wrinkle to be pressed out of the social fabric.
>>25462099On second thought give me all of your stuff.
>>25462102You know there's no part of being a communist that compels me to say yes to this, right?
>>25461841Schopenhauer predicted this
>>25454452the blood and steel pepe is the ultimate truth in lifeall this thinking was only made possible by the violence and bloood
>>25462126more powerful than any sword is deception
>>25454452NPCs really should not be tolerated and there should be camps to torture people into being deeper thinkers who value things beyond the material. If they cannot bridge the gap they die, as it should be.
>>25462099I have nothing, why don't you just give me half of your stuff, I don't get it.
>>25462126>look guys i read big boy books now!
>>25454452Life, is just Existence's way of probing itself, in all of it's essence. In essence, most of literature is just as useless as vidja. STEM and philosophymaxx to probe into reality o algo
>>25462222quads wasted on a poetry non-reader
>>25454452Kierkegaard was a far better writer than he was a philosopher.>What is a poet? An unhappy man who hides deep anguish in his heart, but whose lips are so formed that when the sigh and cry pass through them, it sounds like lovely music.
>>25457805Why is that quote from Idiocrasy pasted over the scene from Fast Times At Ridgemont High where Spicolli dreams he won a surfing competition?
