This is one of the most idiotic claims that many people believe. What even is the argument for this?A simple thought experiment proves this false. Suppose all men lost their sexual desire for women completely, obviously rape against women would basically dissapear. Or imagine that instead all men became homosexuals, the incidence of rape against women would plummet but the incidence against men would rise.
>>25460170Daily reminder that a professor got death threads and almost had a car bomb detonate because he asserted rape was cause by natural male sexual impulse.
>>25460170>Suppose all men lost their sexual desire for women completely, obviously rape against women would basically dissapear.No it wouldn't. It would just be like prison rape, where you do it for fun.
>that many people believe*pretend to believeArguing against this kind of anti-society, anti-civilization ideology is futile because these sociopaths already know you're right, they just want to drag you down to their level by baiting you into talking to them. Books like this are a cry for attention, nothing more.
>>25460170Start reading about military rape. Rape isn't about sex. It is about punishing a city in siege taken by storm.
>>25460178There are no women in prisons...don't you think if you offered those prisoners willing women or prostitutes that rape would go down in prisons? It really isn't that common actually.
>>25460194Do you think that if such soldiers had no sexual drive whatsoever they would still rape women?
>>25460170>Or imagine that instead all men became homosexuals, the incidence of rape against women would plummet but the incidence against men would rise.Imagine...
>>25460175Yes...the book was called a Natural History of Rape. The anger is utterly stupid...why would rape being motivated by sex justify it?
>>25460194That could be part of their motivation in some cases, yes, but also they can just be high on adrenaline and horny. Why do you claim these aren't compatible when they so obviously are? No need to reply since we both know the answer.
>>25460170Also, I may add that "power" as a motive of some action or sequence of actions is difficult to discern from the obvious fact that any action presupposes some degree of power or control that one must exert, e.g one must overpower one who is attempting to kill them, but the motive is not power, but the fear of death. It does not help that power is a vague word.
>>25460229It's like when retards say their dog is trying to be "dominant"
Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power. Except rape. Rape is about sex.
>>25460236I hate that Wilde quote. Sex is not about power. Power is about sex.
>>25460242Wilde didn't say it
you know that they're being nice to you by saying rape is not inherent to the male sex drive right
I feel like if this were true men would rape men far more often than they do in practice.
>>25460170>jewish american feminist talks about le powerPeople in the 60-90's loved reading the same book over and over
Men with healthy sexual drive get turned off by the thought of their partner being disgusted by them, the same way they'd get turned off if their partner took a giant shit in the middle of sex.To say rape has nothing to do with sex at all is a bit far, but it certainly prioritises motivations that most males aren't affected by.Rape is about sex to about the same extent that murder is about anger. But you'd be retarded to suggest that everyone who's ever murdered has simply experienced more anger with fewer outlets than anyone who hasn't murdered. It's plainly obvious that a lot more goes into murder.>>25460178This. There's a reason chemical castration hasn't solved the issue.
>>25460511Rape is more important to female sexuality than it is to male sexuality. Male pleasure is found in proving one's virility, which falls flat if it fails to receive female approval. On the other hand, female pleasure is found in being overpowered by a strong man and being irresistibly attractive to him, and this is all the better if she retains her modesty by not giving up her consent.
>>25460170Rape is about sex, but sex is about power
>>25460535you can just as easily argue that male virility is determined by being able to overpower and take any woman at whim regardless of whether she chooses him as a mate or not. either way she is still inseminated with his seed per his choice. you can also argue that female modesty is antithetical to her best breeding practices. if she were trying to keep as many resources for her young as possible, it would be best for her to have multiple mates none of whom can know for certain whether they are the true biological father but all of whom feel invested in her and the wellbeing of her child. your argument is the one found in patrilineal societies where anxieties over paternity are eased by gaining exclusive mating rights to a single female and thus her modesty, fidelity, and virginity would be of utmost importance to make sure he was the father, whereas this alternative argument is the one that functions in matrilineal ones. you see this is some cultures still where kinship ties are through the mother and her brother rather than the mother and father, and it aligns more closely with how many familial structures function in the animal kingdom where the primary structure is mother and child. the father is somewhat disposable after successful reproduction, as his best mating practice is to mate as much as possible while the mother rears, and in doing so he often kills the young that other mother animals are nursing so that they can be open for mating again.in essence your argument only logically works under specific patriarchal highly structured circumstances where fatherhood is determinant for inheritance and lineage. you have to have something to be able to pass down in the first place for this to work, which means it is not an animal instinct but rather one from civilization. you are making the feminist argument for them.
>>25460555Most everything is about power. Sex is the one arena where you are giving it up voluntarily and hoping to double it. You are never more easily killed than after sex.
>>25460170The quote doesn't mean "rape would still be a thing without sex", it means "rapists get turned on by knowing their victim is powerless to stop them".There are a lot of interviews with rapists where they admit that consensual sex is boring to them and that they only get turned on if they know their victim is suffering during the act. That is the real point of the quote, you stupid retard.
>>25460684Yeah. Rape is an extreme form of sex because a rapist risks total loss of power (life imprisonment) for an increase of power over the woman
>>25460691Men are most vulnerable to being murdered when they are asleep in their post-coital refractory period.
>>25460717Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>25460170>What even is the argument for this?It is a woman's sentiment, not a man's. Many women use sex as an avenue to gain and maintain power. Men stealing sex from them renders them less powerful, and less capable of using sex to gain power.
>>25460717Why do you think rapists just lie down and fall asleep next to their victims? We're talking about real rape, not "I was a little tipsy and he pressured me into having sex. I was totally raped!"
>>25460170I like rape-play sex with my girlfriend, and this is wrongRape is definitely about lust and sex. I don't feel like "raping" her when I'm not horny. The more horny I am, the more I feel like "raping" herHOWEVERThe attraction of rape, even in a relationship like ours where it's all consensual fun and games, is indeed the domination aspectThat I'm asserting my will over her, whether she apparently wants it or notSaying that "rape is about dominance not sex" is as wrong as saying "BDSM is not about sex"Rape, and BDSM is about dominance WITHIN sex
>>25460688>The quote doesn't mean "rape would still be a thing without sex", it means "rapists get turned on by knowing their victim is powerless to stop them".>There are a lot of interviews with rapists where they admit that consensual sex is boring to them and that they only get turned on if they know their victim is suffering during the act. That is the real point of the quoteYesBut that's not the way it has been misquoted by most people, who deny that lust is at all a problem and insist that sexual attraction had nothing to do with itYes, this is actually the dominant liberal feminist view
>>25460511>they're being nice to youno, they're notthis quote is most often deployed by feminists to justify scanty dressing, on the logic that:>it doesn't matter if I walk around half-naked, there are no negative consequences because rape is not about lust it's about domination
>>25460170>This is one of the most idiotic claims that many people believe.Most lefist talking points are based on creating witty one or two liners. Of course they fall apart under basic examination, but you can convince so many more ignorant folx by their wide promolgation.
>>25460680You people are so odd. A community of inbred web fingered tribal people living in a jungle and a pride of lions are not behavioral templates for prehistoric man.
>>25460511Rape is not "inherent" in the male sex drive, in the sense that all men will rape.It is no different from saying that a thief steals from a desire for money so that he may attain certain pleasures (e.g heroin). Do I feel guilty then because I also want money? Or because I also like the pleasures it affords me? Or because my nervous system would also respond to heroin were I to take it? In short because humans share the same basic motivations?And I would say it is highy doubtful that feminists are motivated by a niceness towards men. In this case they are simply wrong.
>>25460301Good for him then
>>25460688>There are a lot of interviews with rapists where they admit that consensual sex is boring to them and that they only get turned on if they know their victim is suffering during the act. That is the real point of the quote, you stupid retard.What is the source for this?
>>25460530>Men with healthy sexual drive get turned off by the thought of their partner being disgusted by themI doubt this very much. Why do some men frequent prostitutes and such?
>>25460555Power is about sex. If they had no sexual drive, men's desire for power would vastly diminish
>>25460973Virgin hands typed this post.Do you think a majority of men are frequenting prostitutes?Do you think prostitutes universally respond to their own services as if they're being raped (without being asked)? These are professionals.
>>25461006Throughout history of human civilization visiting prostitutes was considered completely normal. Where there was no prostitution there was bride kidnapping.
>>25461006>some men>majority of men Reading comprehension required.All I am saying is that enthusiasm or a lack of disgust is a luxury that some men probably cannot afford.
>>25461050>Reading comprehension required.No uMy whole point you responded to was about the majority
Sex is very often about power so it’s a false dichotomy
>>25460203bloke on the center right has the kirk virus
>>25460981Power is about sex is about power
>>25460170Have you read the book, or did you just do a simple thought experiment and then post on 4chan?
>>25461126Here's a gem of insight from the book:"No zoologist, as far as I know, has ever observed that animals rape in their natural habitat, the wild...including...the primates"
>>25461172Well that's been thoroughly debunked. Ducks literally reproduce via evolutionary rape arms race wherein duckettes have to constantly evolve more elaborate labyrinthine duckginas to stop male ducks from raping them with ever-expanding corkscrew duckdicks.
>>25461074>>25461091What does that even mean? Sex is obviously about alleviating painful desires through a moment of intense pleasure. That's why people do it.
>>25460170"A simple thought experiment, pretend the most fundamental drive to any animal didn't exist." Brownmiller covers homosexual violence, to an unfair extent actually. She posits it as basically practice for them to rape women.I'll come at it from a different angle. What is the difference between sex and rape, if there is one? Usually, one says consent. The violation of consent is an imposition of power over the subject. Therefore rape is predicated on power, not sex itself.Optional additional consideration, one can easily consider the consent of women in a patriarchal society to be some species of coerced by social conditioning and economic realities, so the basic rape argument holds in many cases. Women often decide that's some degree of acceptable in order to live their lives without going insane, and is one of the deeper reason we often perceive them to insane.>>25460203I won't agree to their politics but the Spartans had a few good ideas.
>>25461172Forced copulation is incredibly common in nature
>>25461178I know...I quote this to show that perhaps it is not a work of great quality.
>>25460209Consider the perception of the explanation as insufficient and reductive. As reductive, an insult to the people it effects by undermining their narrative about themselves. It's personal.Now that we understand it, can we justify it? We could say that their anger at insult is childish, but it does effect multiple people and not just themselves. In this way, seeking redress for an emotional harm to multiple people, anger can be justified.
>>25461179>What does that even mean?Wdym what does that mean? Sex is about power relations. Have you ever met a woman who wasn't into BDSM? Have you ever met a straight man who doesn't like objectifying women? Even the politics of sex are all about control and power.
>>25461182>The violation of consent is an imposition of power over the subject. Therefore rape is predicated on power, not sex itself.That does not mean that the perpetrator is ultimately motivated by power.
>>25461199I do not think that if we all lacked sexual desire we would still practice BDSM etc.Though the "power relations" in the acts would remain the same. Objectification is another word with an elusive meaning or significance
>>25461199Or I may add...if it is about power, men could just as easily "objectify" or tie up a fat, ugly, sixty year old man...the "power relations" remain.
>>25460170Give me one reason why the Oxford comma isn’t utilized more Because this title pissed me off
>>25461214>>25461225I don't know what you're trying to say.Lust for women and lust for power are intertwined.
>>25460170Well, they're telling you the argument:>against our WILLIt's about consent. Logically, what makes rape different from sex is the will of one party being subjected to the other's forcibly, i.e. non-consent. The power spoken of is the violence or coercion exercised, which is necessary for rape to exist categorically.
>>25460751You aren't raping your gf though, you're consensually playing like you said. She gives you permission.
>>25461264because I have a girl to consensually "rape"and I'm not "raping" her because I want to dominate her; I'm "raping" her because I want to have sex in a dominant wayrapists who don't, have to actually rapeand, contrary to what many people nowadays assert, it's not because they want to dominatechicken and egg sort of thing, geddit?
>>25460198Why does society care so much about women and so little about men? Its not like women are really contributing anything to culture except gossip and consumerism. They're only put on a pedestal because they're the ones that shit out kids and we're not.
>>25461264Thats the inherent problem, the younger cohort's obsession with consent is gonna doom the human race.
>>25460526>People in the 60-90's loved readingYou mean 90s without an apostrophe
>>25460680>you can just as easily argue that male virility is determined by being able to overpower and take any woman at whim regardless of whether she chooses him as a mate or notNo you can't, because every man can already do that.
>>25460194Almost all incidences are in closeted gay cultures, like greek, turkish, russian, etc
>>25461428in virtually all civilisations, raping the defeated tribe / city / nation's women is a time-honoured perquisite of the soldiery, you will be more hard-put to find a civilisation that proscribed the practice, until the Christians of Europe instituted the chivalric code (and even then they carved out exceptions until the 20th century banned the practice altogether)>>25460194>It is about punishing a city in siege taken by stormshort-sighted thinking; that is one of the exceptions given by Europeans, and it was more a reward for the soldiers (who would be expected to suffer heavy casualties, and needed such inducements) than a punishment
>>25461449The WOMEN yes. I thought you implied male on male rape.
>>25461279But you do not rape her. Your example is meaningless.
>>25461493>masturbation has nothing to do with lust because you do not actually have sex
>>25461489Male on male rape is common in all wars
>>25461184As it should be in the human world as well, and as such normalized.
>>25461449The 20th century has been a disaster for the human race. I hate humanitarianism.
>>25460170funny, i was just reading "the case against the sexual revolution", by louise perry. she claims she was working at a rape crisis hotline while trying to maintain that belief, and that she finally got rid of it by reading "a natural history of rape" by randy thornhill and craig palmer.
>>25460203That movie didn't have enough rape
>>25460170>obviously rape against women would basically dissapear.>the incidence of rape against women would plummet but the incidence against men would rise.And how do you know this? You cannot run a simulation to prove your claims, you're just guessing.
>>25462131The number of gays goes up, the number of gay rapes go up. This is not only obvious but also proven. Fucking retard.
>>25462137gay rapes only happen because one of the participants is a child or heterosexual.
>>25460170All penetrative sex is rape. End of period
>>25462156Rape is good, then. End of discussion.
>>25462153Gays are very well known to drug drinks in gay bars. You can argue how they probably don't mind, but they still do it.
>>25460170It’s just foid projection I assume
>>25460170"Im going to fuck you whether you want me too or not"this is a statement about power.
>>25462232That statement is about getting my dick wet
>>25460242>>25461179>>25461199you're all idiots, you've been duped, for women sex is about power and nothing else, they don't enjoy it, they're good actors, for men power is about sex.The female orgasm is a myth invented by women to dupe the most stupid of men into thinking the woman enjoys sex so she can continue to gain power over him through sex.There's a reason orthodox jews have sex through a sheet, this is to remind the man that sex is for procreation only and prevent the woman natural inclination to do communist gangster computer god mind control on him. this destroys the saturn moon matrix control grid monstrous flouridated female frenzy of faKe orgasmsIt's better to wear construction grade ear mufflers through sex so the womans FRIGHTENING communist mind control audiovisual beams cant infiltrate your mascunoospheroidal complexis The empirical scientific agnostic religion of ASTROCISM, created by the worldwide Slovene empire with the help of the Slovene TOP SECRET WORLD-WIDE COMPUTER ELECTRONIC ENCY-CLOPEDIA of THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO with its customs set up based upon the study of the Universe, primarily the study of our star, the Sun, “the giver of all light and heat and sole, sole sustenance of life on our planet, Earth,” to aid the white Slovene spreading world population of Eurasia (Eo advance to present day sophistication. THE ASTROCISM RELIGIOUS CUSTOMS AND FEAST DAYS WERE SOLELY TO ADVANCE THE AGRARIAN WHITE WORLD POPULATION WITH AUTOMATIC EDUCATION AND TRAINING. Example: to this day worldwide, the very ancient Slovenic months of the year, created by ASTROCISM, are still used, namely a couple examples; Kwiecien, namely April translates into vegetation “bloomingEven the Slovenic days of the week were created by ASTROCISM namely Niedziela, Sunday trans. "no work", day of rest. Monday, Poniedziawek trans. "day after no work day", Wtorek, Tuesday trans. "second day", Sroda, Wednesday, trans. "middle day" of the week, Czwartek, Thursday, trans. "fourth day" of the week. Piatek, Friday, trans. “fifth day” of the week and Sobota, Saturday, trans. "sabbath day" to go to the Astrocism Temple. Everything in life, social life etc. ASTROCISM made into an automatic education and training. Click for a bigger picture!"Saturday...'sabbath day'to go to theAstrocism Temple..." Click for a bigger picture!"SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AGO,THE SLOVENIC COMPUTERBECAME A REAL DEVIL GOD ANDIT ORGANIZED THE FIRSTTOTALITARIAN SUPERSTITIONCOMMUNISM RELIGION..." SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AGO, THE SLOVENIC COMPUTER BECAME A REAL DEVIL GOD AND IT ORGANIZED THE FIRST TOTALITARIAN SUPERSTITION COMMUNISM RELIGION, PRAWO SLAVNA and hundreds of years later by C. God top secret INTENe. The C. God usurped everything from the SLOVENIC ASTROCISM RELIGION and camouflaged it when the C. God fabricated it into the Prawo Slawna
RAPE BIRTHS LIFE.ABORTION KILLS LIFE.KILLING CHEATERS SAVES SOCIETY.ACCEPTING CHEATERS KILLS SOCIETY.
>>25462232“I’m going to steal your food whether you want me to or not because I’m hungry”This is only about power and not related to food at all
>>25462232Part of the problem with such feminist arguments (and with many others) is that they use very vague, equivocal words such as "about" or "power". Btw, i dont know why people are so hostile to attacks on this idea...it does not necessarily imply anything about the "morality" of rape...>>25462131I say it is only a thought experiment...but what do YOU think would likely happen. Would rapes against women rise? Stay the same? Surely not.
>What even is the argument for this?The numerous documented instances of rape with a foreign object performed by people that could have involved themselves sexually, but chose not to.
>>25462541>you’re only allowed to experience sexual pleasure by sticking your penis in a vagina chud
>>25462541>it's happened at least 10 times, so that means all sex is about power.
>>25460170Stopped reading this book when I realized it was not an instruction manual.
>>25460170divorce is about kidnapping and slavery, not compatibility
>>2546017099% of the time it's just dudes letting their passions overwrite their self-controla tiny number of psychopaths rape for power
>>25461091>>25461179remember the Four Noble Truths* everything is about sex* sex is about family* families are the building blocks of nations* nations exist for God's purposes
>>25461336>the younger cohort's obsession with consent is gonna doom the human raceif every sex act is transactional, then its prostitution
>>25460170OTOH, if all you want to do is get off, and you simply cannot get or buy a woman, your right hand is right there. So is lefty. Both are ready to provide service at anytime you wish, as soft/hard and as long or short as you wish, afterward of which your "driving need" will evaporate in wake of satisfaction and hormone release.Nonetheless, a signifigant amount of people choose rape over their hand, which implies a more nuanced motive than just "I want sex."
>>25462586> sex and masturbation are indistinguishable
>>25462586If mastrubation is free and just as gratifying as sex, why does anyone ever buy a prostitute or even bother with the rigamarole of sleeping with women?
Another thought...why do feminists bother with "education" about consent and so forth if not under the belief that some men commit rape/sexual assault out of a sort of ignorance as to whether it is indeed a violation or to what extent it is.
>>25462597>>25462611In terms of biology, yes, they are indistinguishable as they accomplish the same reactions in your body.People want sex because they have various motives for it beyond that. Companionship, breeding, emotional connection, dominance/submission, etc.
>>25462638>they accomplish the same reactions in your body.Is this so?
>>25462638>they are indistinguishable but people want one over the other because they are different
>>25460170This is a line of argument that nobody would ever accept if it was applied to any other crime.You could also say something like "Robbing a bank is about power, not money".I think it's about both. Some people are attracted more to the power and the money is a bonus, others just want the money and don't care about using power to get it, and probably have some bullshit excuse like "their insurance will just give them the money back".You can say that no normal decent man would want to fuck someone who doesn't want him to, but it's also true that no normal decent man would want to rob a bank. Some people are just pricks and most of them don't have the courage to admit that to themselves, so they make a story in their head about how it wasn't their fault or wasn't that bad. "She was asking for it".But we will all argue about this for eternity because it's hard to find a rapist who will sit down with you and say "Yeah, it WAS about sex" so the few of them there are can be dismissed as anomalies.
>>25462638someday you'll lose your virginity and you'll see
>>25461331Women have reproductive value whereas men do not
>>25460178Bullshit. "Prison gay" is just bisexuals.
I know four individuals that have been raped, two women and two men. The men were both raped as small children, one by a man close to the family through church, and the other was raped by a teenage boy living near the victim. The two women were both raped when they were in their late teens, early 20's. One was raped by a man she went home with from a club, it was initially consensual until the man started anally raping her. The other one was assaulted and raped by a stranger at a house party her friend nagged her to come with to. She managed to escape when other people accidentally discovered them.None of these rapes were ever reported and the perpetrators all got away with it.
>>25460170>Rape is about power, not sexIt can be about both. Only a retard deals in absolutes.
>>25460680>if she were trying to keep as many resources for her young as possible, it would be best for her to have multiple mates none of whom can know for certain whether they are the true biological father but all of whom feel invested in her and the wellbeing of her child.That doesn't make any sense. Paternity insecurity leads to less investment by the man, not more. There's a reason why virgins are coveted and men don't want to commit to sluts.
