>be me, junior year>holy fuck my friend gave me a gift, how sweet>friend is a little bit of a fake smart-person who obsesses over kafka and osamu dazai, but whatever>take it home>sitting in living room next to fire place>open it>atlas shrugged>look at fireplace, genuinely consider burning it>the thought was niceatlas shrugged is one of the worst things i've ever had the displeasure of reading. the characters are not characters but tools rand uses to debate philosophy, some of which give speeches for 70 fucking pages---- which, by the way, is a literal summary of everything the book has already been talking about. the villains that she writes don't get a single intelligent argument and are written as bumblefucks standing with their dick in their hand. not even to mention the worst part about it: the same four fucking points repeated and repeated and repeated over and over and over again. thousands of pages for four bullet points. can someone explain what the appeal is???
why did the previous thread get deleted?
They're just objectivists. Herp derp solipsism. Ayn rand was a cunt.
what are you on about then, mate? rand was a pure genius and a stone cold fox, ya cunt. next you'll try to tell me robots aren't cool either, and/or any combination of the two.t. me when drongos on the interwebs try to clown on my queen
Ayn Rand is bizarre because she attracts so much ire from leftist types when no one on the right has ever really thought about her, there's no real political or philosophical meat there she's just a Jewish woman writing about Jewish thingsYet she drives the OP raving mad to the point that he samefags and bumps his own thread (all the posts in here besides this are the same guy btw), maybe it's just a millennial thing?
>>25460603Objectivists lost the war its over
Objectivism gets mockery because there's no argument against it. If you don't believe in objective reality, why is your philosophy relevant to me? If you don't believe in reason, what is your alternative, and why? (Answering presupposes reason.) If you don't believe man has a duty to his own individual happiness, how can he have a duty to anyone else's? If you don't believe in man's right to freely use his reason to decide what to think and say and do, how can the philosophy that you prefer to impose on men be known to be right?Objectivism, in other words, is the bare minimum of moral rules for the pursuit of truth and right. It's embarrassing that major philosophies today are diametrically opposed to it; it hardly has any content. It gets shrieks of rage the same way men rage against their own conscience.
>>25460640>human baseline experience is solipism>this is itself an epistemological statement Objectivism done
>>25460582Lol, the irrationalist got filtered.
>>25460640cont.This is also why Ayn Rand is unattractive as a writer and thinker. She doesn't have interesting things to say, fascinating concepts, clever ideas. To the extent she succeeds in being objectivist, she fails in being Rand, and vice versa. If you say "Rand says..." then you've missed the point. She's not an authority. She's not a lego brick for your set. She's no fun. She's Jeremiah crying out for your repentance. But if people who rightly understand her work have affection for her, then it is because they feel she gave them confidence to live their own lives and use their own minds.
>>25460582She appeals to narcissists and sociopaths, that’s pretty much it, if someone views themselves as being under appreciated for their own self-identified genius then it’s appealing to them. That said as others have pointed out, Rand gets more attention from the left as a kind of ideological villain representing the right than she does from serious right wing theorists. Leftists and liberals like doing this because if you can represent your enemy with someone like ayn rand, a flagrant narcissist who wrote bad books, it makes them look a lot worse than if you were to characterise them with the good writers who are politically oriented to the right.>>25460609She certainly has fans in circles that are considered right wing but none of them are real conservatives or reactionaries, just libertarians and similar groups. As to be expected of a writer who was at the end of the day a subversive Jew.>>25460640Objectivism is barely anything at all in terms of a philosophical system and whenever it is developed further by anyone it quickly turns into little more than nihilism with a few caveats to make its hyper individualism (luciferian btw) seem less like the mindset of a smug teenager with a chip on his shoulder (exactly what it is)>>25460603Do real Ayn Rand fans ever try to pretend that that hideous Jew was beautiful?
>can someone explain to me why people adore ayn rand?She provides a pretextual framework for justifying their worst opinions and desires.
>>25460676>serious right wing theoristsAre not a thing. If they existed, they would have all gone left or killed themselves by now over all the real world data their policies have provided over the past 50 years.
>>25460582>can someone explain what the appeal is???There are no other authors like her, and when you're in the mood for her you are really in the mood for her.
>>25460729>right wing just means neocons>I can only ever think about contemporary politics and people who are writing right at this moment>the past and previous generations and eras of thought can be entirely written offEmbarrassing behaviour on your part. I’d say it’s because you’re a leftist, but serious leftists aren’t this immature or stupid.
>>25460736Uh oh rightoid melty
>>25460739>no argumentYou’re an embarrassment to your own ideology and I can almost guarantee that you don’t read anything. Did it touch a nerve when I pointed out why Ayn Rand is so obsessed over by leftists?
>>25460582Leftoids hate her because they literally cant refute her right wing hate her because she is a kike. Simple as.
>>25460742>rightoid still thinks he belongs on a board dedicated to the appreciation of Art
Imagine being such a simpleton that you actually routinely use the phrase "light vs right"
>>25460744>right wing hate her because she is a kike>why yes, how could you tell?
>>25460739He's right though. The right is diverse whereas the left is stagnant and was mostly cannibalized by libtards over the last 2 decades. The only people who find the left interesting are NPCs brainwashed by libtards and resentful poorfags trying to justify why other people should have to pay for their lunch.
>>25460748Thanks for the concession of your own stupidity.>leftist thinks that the pro-art faction is the one that believes everything is subjective and culture doesn’t need to be preserved at alllol, lmao, kek even
The right is incapable of creating art. Simple trvke that uncontrollably triggers chuddies.
My ideology is more correct than yours
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>>25460762/thread. Its all so tiresome.
>>25460762>>25460772fence sitters get the rope
>>25460762It’s all people have to talk about in Rand threads because she’s not interesting to discuss except to call her an ugly Jew, her books are bad.
>gets to the core of what Rand was trying to say about her political opponents, in 1/10th the length
>>25460582Materialism. Capitalist-Economica of the Liberal church. They pray to the great invisible hand of the free market and the golden god Mammon.Rand is one of their prophets
>>25460736>right wing just means neoconsI said 50 years. Obviously, I was shitting on more than just Reagan's neocons. I was also shitting on Thatcher's Conservatives.Also, going back further doesn't exactly help right wingers.Also also, the argument being made was that Rand is irrelevant because "serious right wing theorists" don't pay any attention to her, so you don't get to argue about the existence of right wing thought outside of mainstream ideologies like neoconservatism because nobody is fucking paying attention to those fuckers. Either being mainstream matters or it doesn't. If it matters, there are no serious right wing theorists. If it doesn't, you have to acknowledge Rand has a relevant political following however insincere and opportunistic it is.Fucking jackass.
>>25460756>The only people who find the left interestingA mad king is interesting. Good governance should be boring as fuck.
>>25460640>>25460582>>25460674>>25460676>>25460744NONE OF THESE TROGLODYTES HAVE READ AYN RAND, OP INCLUDED. THEIR OPINION COMES FROM YOUTUBE VIDEOS.When discussing Atlas Shrugged, the most utterly OBVIOUS issue is the endless FEMALE GOONER ROMANTASY. Rand self-inserts as Dagny Taggart in such a completely transparent way, I may as well have been reading Wattpad fanfics of a teenage girl. She is super special, smart, sassy and direct, and ALL THE RICH POWERFUL DANGEROUS MEN WANT HER. Pages upon pages upon pages of Rand's self-insert getting flirted with by Chad Thundercock and subsequently HATEFUCKED, with Chad Thundercock telling her how super special she is, and that she could be a painting in a gallery, after he's done filling her up. How is it even possible to discuss "objectivism" as a "philosophy" when it is wrapped in a fanfiction-tier romantasy novel of a self-insert Mary Sue getting POUNDED by multitude gigachads?Of course, this would be painfully obvious to anyone that has READ THE BOOK. No one here READS THE BOOK. READ PICRELATED, THIS IS 70% OF THE BOOK.
>>25460582She was essentially correct about human nature but pointing this out will make people salty as hell.
>>25460676Why does narcissism get a bad rep anyways? I'm sick of people arguing against it. How about people that actually defend it (other than Rand, allegedly)
>>25460582>the same four fucking points repeated and repeated and repeated over and over and over againWhat are they?I don't want to waste my time reading it.
>>25461537Those aren't the times in which we live. The mindset of boring libtards is to manage the decline while pumping Western countries full of browns.
>>25461615YOU HAVE NEVER READ THE BOOK! HOW DO YOU KNOW IF SHE'S CORRECT OR NOT? FUCKING MO-RON.Atlas Shrugged is a bad book. It is bad the same way that tone-deaf romantasy slop is bad. It is bad the same way The Room is bad. You do not "own the leftists" by thinking it's good. What you know about Rand and her books is a regurgitation of the opinion of other men on Youtube and forums. These people likely also never read Rand, and farmed you for Adsense money.If Youtube didn't exist, Rand and her "corpus" would have been relegated to the waste bin of history. This bitch is ugly, her ideas appeal to illiterate mongoloids, her life went contrary to everything she preached and she couldn't write a readable paragraph if the fate of the world depended on it. Keep discussing her groundbreaking intellectual contributions, like the Randian tautology of A=A, hidden somewhere between the chapters where her self-insert gets plowed by Chad.
>>25461638It's decent. The fact it makes pseud faggots like you seethe is what makes it great.
>>25461642Address any of the points here >>25461606 or suck my cock and balls.The book is bad. The fact it makes illiterate faggots like you soipog is what makes it terrible.
Bunch of hysterical faggots itt
>>25460582Only ever seen Austrian school fanboys and ancap tards mention her, never in terms of literature.So, politics as usual I guess
>>25461619>Why does narcissism get a bad rep anywaysMaybe it's because the fable of Narcissus literally ends with the dude succumbing to his own vanity. This is the actual case for most narcissists on this planet, except now they have the resources and reach to burn everything around them and take everyone else around them down with them instead of just being fucking annoying.
>>25460722>She provides a pretextual framework for justifying their worst opinions and desires.This is flagrantly, blatantly false. Ayn Rand's framework never justified the systematic murder of millions, like some other ideologies I could name. Objectivism is harmless. Facially, it should be the least objectionable of ideologies. How do communists have the gall to excuse themselves for the actual crimes their ideology justifies, while they accuse Objectivism of evil for being personally annoying?
>>25461527>n-no I also meant thatcheritesThose are neoconservatives too you fucking moron, unless you use absolutely ridiculous pilpul>nobody is paying attention to non-neocon theorists on the rightExcept for the fact that the vice president has Deneen on his shoulder and the right is extremely biased towards non-neocon right wing ideas coming out of Russia, or defending Israel (a fascist country)Stop reddit spacing or go back faggot.You aren’t addressing right wing thought outside of the most mainstream accepted shit from 10-50 years ago, you aren’t a serious person and you can be dismissed
>>25461606This is true of all foid literature anon, we know, you aren’t special for realising this. Especially because it’s irrelevant to why libertarians like her and why leftists hate her which is what we were discussing, retard.
>>25461653>suck my cock and ballsFaggot confirmed.
>>25461681Right, thats awesome, but has anyone argued against it?
>>25461606Does that invalidate her philosophy rather than substantiate it? Female sexuality is attracted to the mastery over objective reality that a man displays, and experiences pleasure by being overpowered by that same strength for the sake of his own pleasure; yet male sexuality requires female discernment and discrimination, or his victory has no value. Ayn Rand posits that sexuality is fundamentally objectivist. If she's right, that supports Objectivism.
>>25460582I've never even read her but I love her aesthetic because she makes parasitic performative tyrant devils very mad.
>>25461653>Atlas Shrugged is a bad bookThat's an opinion.>It is bad the same way that tone-deaf romantasy slop is bad.Bad comparison. I doubt anyone has ever flicked their bean to Atlas Shrugged.> It is bad the same way The Room is bad.Terrible comparison. The Room is "so bad it's good" and you're not trying to argue it's entertainingly bad. You're just seething.>You do not "own the leftists" by thinking it's good.Projection. Rand is a breath of fresh air for a lot of people. They don't simply like her because she makes pseud faggots like you angry (that's just a bonus).>What you know about Rand and her books is a regurgitation.More projection/empty statement. Just because YouTube is popular doesn't necessarily mean people don't read Rand. Quite the opposite as her fans seek out her work and organizations like ARI and The Atlas Society exist solely to promote and discuss her work (i.e. not randos making video essays--you're more likely to find that sort of content coming from her detractors). Also, crying about YouTube doesn't make you sound smart nearly as much as it outs you as a pseud. There's a tonne of great content and if all you know about it is slop it says more about you than you wanted to admit.>If Youtube didn't exist, Rand and her "corpus" would have been relegated to the waste bin of history.Factually incorrect and a cliche. Rand has been continuously popular. Her popularity spikes when certain events happen (e.g. The Great Recession) and has nothing to do with YouTube.>This bitch is ugly, her ideas appeal to illiterate mongoloidsMore faggotry. Your insults lack creativity and fail to land.>her life went contrary to everything she preachedThis is the only true thing you've said so far but I doubt you have the ability to back it up with any insight. You're not a smart person.>she couldn't write a readable paragraph if the fate of the world depended on itAnother opinion, another cliche.>Keep discussing her groundbreaking intellectual contributions, like the Randian tautology of A=AOnly her most devoted fans read shit like Objectivist Epistemology. People mostly just like her political takes and her essays. Also, she didn't create the law of identity but she does use it as a thought terminating cliche for the cult she tried and failed to establish though. Further, it's arguable that she was also using it to call out pic-related over half a century ago. You fags can't even admit women don't have cocks.>her self-insert gets plowed by ChadMultiple Chads, retard. If you were smarter and more creative you could have used that as a joke. Maybe a double entendre about trains or a pun using the word rail.You lose.
>>25460744>LeftoidsUseless word. She is a "leftoid" for the market and the rule of wealthy individuals. Don't try to claim her for the "rightoids", as they traditionally want the government (king, military leader, priest class etc.) to control the market.(Conversly, the Marxist is rightwing for markets. See China? Very conservative. Though they are pigeonholed as leftism, they want a world of social justice through authoritarianism. Marxists are extreme rightwingers telling you to wait for the leftism. IE freedom. And if you try to hit me with the old "it wasn't true communism *eyerolll*" the evidence for this is the fact there ARE true leftists who oppose Marxism)
>>25461778Then why do you use terms like "Rightoid" then? Its only okay when you do it? Very Jewish behavior.
>>25461672Yes and we will continue to do it to make you seethe out of your mind, cope tyrant worshipper, truth, freedom, morality and beauty are like garlic to you parasitic vampires
>>25461764I'm probably wrong, but I understand Objectivism as being motivated by nothing but a hatred of tyranny and a desire to invalidate every pretext for it.
>>25461794I also have no idea but it sounds good to me so why not, i'm not a stickler for labels and jargon, which also makes statist NPC's seethe
>>25461786I do not. I wrote that in quotation marks.The terms we should use is freedom and control. Would make it more clear and improve everyone's understanding. That is why people have been taught to use team left and team right instead.
>>25460582>the villains that she writes don't get a single intelligent argument and are written as bumblefucks standing with their dick in their hand.You can't honestly tell me you haven't met people like her villains in real life.
>>25461773As I mentioned, you are illiterate. I asked you to reply to the post containing my arguments (>>25461606). You failed to read my request, and accidentally replied to a post where I simply call you an illiterate faggot.You even forgot your "image" when you replied, leading you to delete your post and reupload it to amend it. E-stuttering while attempting a comeback. Truly pathetic. Your existence is a case study for my argument. Only stupid, illiterate faggots could think Atlas Shrugged is a good book. It's likely you also have some form of erectile dysfunction. Do not bother replying.
>>25461735You know you can just go ahead and become the Poster Bitch for the nacissist party if you're that inclined.
>>25461634Crime rates are some of the lowest they've ever been. Life expectancy outside of antivaxxers is the highest it's ever been. Entertainment is abundant. Science, outside of the US where there have been a massive funding cuts is in the best state it's ever been.Society is not fucking in decline no matter how much right wingers try to make everyone poor, sick, and stupid. You want to burn shit down because of the browns, try setting yourself on fire in front of a fucking State Department office. No sense in your dumbfuckery taking the rest of us with you. Accelerationists should put their accelerant where their mouth is. Get out and protest.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation>>25461694Just fyi, I can't see your bitching cause you tripped my newfag filter. Maybe lurk a few moar years before posting.
>>25461864>Just fyi, I can't see your bitching cause you tripped my newfag filter. Maybe lurk a few moar years before posting.Hahahaha, thanks for giving up.
>>25461864>oldfag dysphoriaTerminal case.
>>25461792For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, or economic models, brother.
>>25461827>As I mentioned, you are illiterate. I asked you to reply to the post containing my argumentsThere's nothing to discuss with that post outside the subject matter of the post to which I chose to respond. You're a pseud faggot who lacks creativity and has nothing to offer anyone. You confuse opinion with fact and can't tell the difference between an assertion and an argument. If that weren't bad enough you speak in cliches and your attempts at humor lack creativity. You're just not interesting, anon. You're not a worthwhile person. Now, I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your post because it's quite evident you're a stupid person with nothing on offer. You lost :)
>>25460674>because they feel she gave them confidence to live their own livesthis actually makes a lot of sense,,,, thank you bro,,,,
>>25461864>Crime rates are some of the lowest they've ever beenCrime rates are underreported, retard.
>>25461630ayn rand's four fucking points are that 1.) producers create all value and lazy retards steal it through force2.) altruism is the root of all civilizational collapse3.) parasites need permission to exploit4.) logic vs everything else,,, ie, horatioalso, im new to 4chan, do i have to do these fucking captchas every time i post?
>>25461682ayn rand HERSELF BELIEVED in the systematic murder of millions. she, on a q&a after her 1974 march 6th address to west point's graduating class, said that ,,,, any white person who brought the elements of civilization had the right to take over the continent,,,,, and that native americans had no right to to a country just because they were born there and,,,, "acted and lived like savages" ................. come on bro..... she had the same view on the palestinians,,, and called the arab resentment of israel as resentment of "the sole becahhead of modern science and civilization on their contient",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, tl;dr uncivilized people don't deserve anything
>>25461606big bro, that's also a huge problem,,,, i hear you,,,, but nobody reallly gives a fuck about the smut,,,,,, the smut is just fuel to the flame but the yapping about shitty philosophy for pages upon pages is more interesting to debate about,,,,,,
>>25462050>Crime rates are underreportedCrime rates have always been underreported, dipshit.>>25461873>Hahahaha, thanks for giving up.My momma taught me not to argue with children or else people might not see the difference between me and them.
>>25461856Wow, rude.
>>25462113Verily.
>>25461912Theft and murder is a sin, therefore socialism is a sin.
>>25462177Plenty of that going on in any economic model that's ever existed>inb4 true capitalism has never been tried
>>25460582>adore?she's universally hated by both the right and the left and people either mock her work, life story or sperg out when she's mentioned. I never cared for her stuff either way she's pretty ugly
>>25462109>Crime rates have always been underreportedThey're more underreported now you brainwashed NPC fucktard.
>>25460582Reserving that one for a cold winter. I stumbled upon The Fountainhead and it’s superb. As life itself.
>>25460582Rich out of touch pricks, she's largely ignored these days though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LxrZncFlQU
>>25462253>They're more underreported now you brainwashed NPC fucktard.1. No they aren't. That's a ridiculous claim2. If we look at murder, the least underreported crime (also least prone to other data fuckery like lumping multiple crimes committed at the same time together since murders tend to be reported as one body one crime), crime rates are still at near record lows.3. Stop being so addicted to being miserable that you are inventing your own crime riddled hellscape to live in, you whiny bitch.4. Facts don't care about your feelings.
>>25462379>No they aren'tThey are. There was also just a Congressional committee investigation that found police were recoding and downgrading a significant amount of their encounters, retard. Theres also the fact FBI data collection was found to have massive gaps and incomplete reporting which they tried to blame on upgrading their system.Holy shit you're an NPC. Go watch CNN for the latest updates about orange man bad and orange man very bad, dumb fuck.
The ladies in my reading circle tell me that if you simply ignore the last 100 pages or so, you'll find AS is the great Harlequin Romance of the 20th Century -- the story of the world's most attractive woman (Rand herself obviously) being pursued by the world's most desirable men while she searches for the man who is worthy of her. -- Spoiler Alert: she finds him and becomes his literal bang-maid. -- Swoon!
>>25462441>America is the only country on earth>Also police corruption is a recent phenomenonPlay in traffic.Also nobody's fucking downgrading homicides, dipshit.
>>25462546>America is the only country on earthIt's the most important one and I'm not even an American. If you think they aren't doing the same thing in every other Western country your retarded. >HOMICIDES ARE THE ONLY CRIME!Fuck you're dumb, lol.
>>25460582>>25460600> objectivistsbecause if they called themselves neoreactionaries they would have invited debate with fulton sheen
>>25460582>>25461809Ayn Rand's villains are very, very real.
