I might be mistaken, but a lot of feminist utopian novels and narratives seem to prefer the idea of a world in which males are all extinct or, at best, under a reverse Handmaiden's Tale sort of scenario, over imagining actual equalist societies. For example:>"A Brother's Price" by Wen Spencer>"If I Pay Thee Not in Gold" by Mercedes Lackey and Piers Anthony>Ursula K. Le Guin's short story "The Matter of Seggri">Joanne Russ's "The Female Man"Sheri S. Tepper's "The Gate to Women's Country">Pamela Sargent's "Shore of Women">"The Cleft" by Doris Lessing>"Houston, Houston, Do You Read?" by James Tiptree Jr.>"The Power", by Naomi AldermanIs this a "mask-off" moment, or do they just think that actual equality would be too unbelievable or uninteresting to portray? Are there actual examples of feminist fiction that don't seem to be entirely based on resentment?
>>25460646>Is this a "mask-off" momentDuhIf you're interested in feminism, go back and read Valerie SolanasIt's the root of everything we see today
>>25460653>Valerie SolanasI only read "The Domesticated Male". I have a hard time swallowing its pessimism uncritically, even thought she had very fair points.
>>25460646>Is this a "mask-off" moment, or do they just think that actual equality would be too unbelievable or uninteresting to portray?Idk how you can even imagine a gender-egalitarian society since men and women are different and have different interests politically.
>please please comfirm my supposed beliefs I'll do anything here read these books that ive selected specifically to appeal to my curated belief
>>25460656?These are touted as feminist utopias, despite reproducing narratives that are typically classified as dystopian when framed from a masculine perspective. I'm genuinely curious about why
>>25460661Grok is op a faggot
>>25460646Handmaiden's Tale is not a utopian, OP.>Is this a "mask-off" momentIt is a fictional setting for wondering. A book.
>>25460646I know it's a tired point to say feminism doesn't have anything to offer to men, but it really is true. It's a movement to safeguard female interests, not "gender equality" or whatever, and this seeps into their writing
>>25462036>It's a movement to safeguard female interestsThird Wave. We can call it Turd Wave to remind you there is a difference.And again, these are books. They set up questions in various scenarios to see what can happen. What if all the men buggered off? (My still unwritten story has it that things would sputter into a bit of primitivism, but eventually get back on its feet, though the women observe that the long shadow of men are how they got back up on their feet)
(1) Woman on the Edge of Time by Marge Piercy, or (2) The Left Hand of Darkness by Le Guin could be what you're looking for.(1) Human reproduction is done in the lab, abolishing pregnancy. Therefore the raising of children, sex, and domestic labour can all happen independently of each other.(2) An emissary from a pan-galactic government observes a genderless society, where individuals are only 'sexed' during the act itself and throughout pregnancy.The second isn't strictly utopian, but still worth a read imo
>>25460646I always wanted to write something like the Handmaids Tale from an incel POV
>>25460646>Is this a "mask-off" moment, or do they just think that actual equality would be too unbelievable or uninteresting to portray? Are there actual examples of feminist fiction that don't seem to be entirely based on resentment?It's a mask-off moment, women being as stupid as they are think they are also far more clever than they actually can ever be. Their problem is that if men ever get tired of the status quo it changes, if women ever tired of the status quo they would simply have to suffer eternally because men are the only ones who can actually move the world.
>>25462240>all the rich boomers and chads get custom order brides with fertile wombs>still incel
>>25462342I ain't saying it would happen mostly because most men don't want to be the collective villain in everyone's stories, I'am saying that the feminist anger derives from the fact that women are by and large only good for reproduction in the macro sense of things their anger is in the knowing that men are superior to them and always will be.
>>25462048Nta, but feminism, like basically all political movements, do not represent ideals or principles (such as equality) but in fact represent only the interests of their constituents, in the case of feminsm this is women. Such principles or ideals that they do profess are only those under which they can advance their interests. It is interesting that many left wing/liberal movements say this about their opponents, but of course do not turn this analysis on themselves.
>>25462538And then there's 2nd wave socialist feminism that joins in with the rest of the socialist project that embraces everyone including the religious, as it did indeed come from Christianity. So shove up your ass.
>>25462568>as it did indeed come from Christianity.is this some kind of LARPagan psyop I've been seeing lately?
>>25462538because academia has a leftward drift. there was an article awhile back claiming Frankfurt psychoanalysts had a blind spot in regards to their own potential authoritarianism that they can only assess in the ideas and minds of reactionaries, but cannot even humor that they themselves could be capable of the same shit. and since universities are self-centered circle jerks actual self-critique never happens. its why proto-manosphere type thinkers like Ernest Belfort Bax basically was ignored in the late 19th century.
>>25462682forgot to add this is also why people like Karl Popper and George Orwell could not predict that liberalism could become tyrannical down the line.
>>25460646You are gay for having ever read a "feminist utopian novel".
