Space fear edition>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious:>>25456719
first for brando the sando
Glory to Yev
>>25460812I'm afraid I can't let you say that, anon.
>>25460794So this is the same guy making threads for a week now?
>>25460828Huh? Take you're meds
>>25460794>end the series 25 years ago>write new sequelsis cook that starved for money?
>>25461366>we crew together. We crode
>>25461366Who isn't?
>>25461366Who cries??
>>25460715That's cool and all but it obviously would have worked better if the writer actually worked to give depth to either of their motivations. I get that, its almost pointless to do that considering the direction the story is moving in, and I hate flashbacks as much as the next guy, but there are ways to write these things without flashback, it just makes Ganelon seem like a holloe character, if his feelings can flip that easily and more importantly; arbitrarily.Also we already know that Corwin was a bad guy, not only because all tje siblings he interacted with when he still lost his memory suggested such, but also because Corwin repeatedly mentions how "I've done worse things in the past".But again, it has no depth or weight and means absolutely nothing for any thematic exploration or character exploration, because we don't know what or why he was "bad". Also you get an impression, with how simple his current motivation for the Amber is, that any past bad self would have been equally as simplistic. All the characters are simple. It's not a horrible thing, I talked in the past thread about how, teasing deeper characters just to fuck around with them (Osten Ard) can actually be a detriment. But a middleground is probably better. If you want to be plot focused though I probably prefer Chronicles of Amber because it wastes less time, and has less false pretenses. So its why I'm sticking with Amber till I get bored.
>>25461366He wrote Port of Shadows, but this isn't that strange for him as he did something very similar for Dread Empire by returning to finish the series when everyone had given up after the final script got stolen.
Defenestrate, tar, feather and then break on the rack and then draw and quarter Pagespammer.
>>25461495I'm game.
>>25460794>A.A. Attanasio>wrote The Last Legends of Earth>dimensional entity from the center of the galaxy pops out into normal space>creates a solar system populated with humans in order to lure out and genocide the zōtl>intelligent sapient flying spiders who pith your brain, releasing chemicals that keep you in constant lucid agony and pain while they feed and control your bodyThe only people who would hate this are Jews.
>>25460794Finished the first trilogy of The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant and I see no reason to continue with the remaining 7 books. The ending of The Power that Perserves ended on a definite note and there's nothing more to pursue here. Foul is dead, the Land is saved and Thomas was rescued from death on modern earth and he's no longer being required to fuck off out of town. I give the first trilogy 3/5. It ended as I expected it too, minus the horde bit like half-hand.
long live the pagespammer
>>25461495
Finished reading A Wizard of Earthsea and didn't really care for it.Heard the sequels are better, are they worth getting into or should I try The Left Hand of Darkness instead?
>>25461366Cook is one of those guys who writes to give vent to the demons in his head. He's always gotta be writing something.
>>25461554The Dispossessed is her best book imo
He was one of the most beloved Fantasy writers of 2010s. Successfully finished WoT; raised a record amount of money on Kickstarter at the time; sold millions of books despite never having a movie or tv show tie in. Is one of the most prolific fantasy authors ever as well. Yet suddenly, everybody hates him now. Why? What did he do? Is it really because of the subpar (even for Sanderson standards) Winds of Truth?
>>25461547Subtle.
>>25461524>The Last Legends of Earth (Radix #4)Are they worth reading?
>>25461547LOL
>>25461566>went all in on the multiverse stuff which is something only obsessed autists like>prose quality declined when it was never particularly good to begin with>increasing pandering towards woke politics>floated books full of filler that don't move the plot>people who grew up reading him are older now and find him juvenile and shallow
>>25461543>t.
>>25461571You don't need to read the others in order to read Last Legends. Individually though, I thought Arc of the World was the weakest. If you want an introduction to the author, In Other Worlds is fairly short.
>>25461575He was open from the start about some of his works being connected and early on that eventually Stormlight would be the most important Cosmere work. The first Mistborn novel was published in 2006 and the man has so many Q&As/interviews since the 2000s that he has his own site dedicated to it: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/?sort_by=date&sort_ord=Everything else is mostly accurate.
>>25461605I know he was open about it, but in the longterm that multiverse stuff puts off general readers, it becomes a cult thing for obsessed nerds
>>25460794Is there ANY licensed fiction that actually stood out to you as genuinely good?
>>25461625No. None.
>>25461534The second trilogy expands the setting significantly. Foul is more Morgoth than Sauron and thus can't really be "killed", and a major theme of the whole series is "everything has unintended consequences." Or more cynically, "nothing Covenant does can have lasting positive impact."I highly recommend the second trilogy, it improves the first one in retrospective, and expands the series to highlight the sisyphysian struggle of righteous power vs. the personification of "the evil that lives in the heart of men."
>>25461644But does it have more rape? I read it for the rape.
>>25461467> when everyone had given up after the final script got stolen>final script got stolenWhat the fuck?
>>25461559Alright thanks anon, I've got it on hold at the library now
I’ve watched a few of Sandy’s updates recently…is he okay? His eyes now seem to dart everywhere…he looks so old and worn…
>>25461625Some of the Warhammer Horror stuff stands up to its peers. Probably why it was canceled as an imprint.
>>25461662That hard sci-fi Forges of Mars trilogy was a lot of fun.
>>25461453>who criesLot 49, obviously
>>25461366>no books/stories where unremarkable/ordinary character or characters kill for profit/ideology/morals "muh speciul snowflakes", "donut steel OGs", and all manners of uppity powerful and influential charactersWould be a a breath of a fresh air.
>>25461652No more rape, but more references to the original rape.
I'm still enjoying Stormlight Archive so far, in fact it's getting better. I'm sure it'll fall off soon enough and then I'll be free.
glory to discworld
>>25461566He's not hated by normies. Normies still mostly love him. Didn't he literally break the kickstarter record recently? He's fine.
>>25461713More like, DINKWORLD. Because only dinks like it.
>>25461462>If you want to be plot focused though I probably prefer Chronicles of Amber because it wastes less time, and has less false pretensesI liked that about it too. Got to admit I mostly went with the flow, although Corwin escaping via dwarf in book 1 did make me want to bang my head against a wall.
Which one of the 4000 40k books does one start with?
>>25460794The White Order (#8) takes place 10 years before The Magic Engineer (#3). For the first time in the series the protagonist, Cerryl, is a white/chaos mage. He was established as a secondary character in The Magic Engineer and subsequently referred to as Cerryl The Great in The Order War (#4), which took place centuries afterwards. The White Order covers Cerryl's childhood to becoming a full mage. I assume the next book, Colors of Chaos (#9), will be about how became known as The Great.As to be expected, much of the story is Cerryl doing trade work, at a woodmill and as a scrivener. His labors continue even after becoming part of the magic academy. There's far more about his task of cleaning out Fairhaven's sewers with magic rather than school matters. That wasn't something I expected to read. Doing so served as a way to better develop his practical magic skills.I like how Modesitt's continues to have characters who are mentioned as myths, legends, or are otherwise exceptional secondary characters and then have them be the protagonist of their own story. I appreciate even more so when the viewpoint changes to the antagonist's side, which provides a different perspective. Maybe Modesitt began to believe that he hadn't written a moderate position between chaos and order despite advocating for it. The series thus far has entirely been biased in favor of the perspective of the order mages.With each book it becomes more clear that the personality of those aligned with Order or Chaos is very much affected by it. It seems to really tilt the scales in favor of nature over nurture, though exceptions exist. Cerryl is one such exception and it's regularly remarked upon. He's not all that different from the previous Order protagonists and I don't know that they would've done differently in these circumstances. The primary difference with Cerryl is that he really wants as much power as possible because he believes it's necessary to survive. He's not wrong in that. The chaos wizards really like killing each other. The disconnect between what they profess to believe and what they actually do is immense. Most of Cerryl's problems are caused by him being sincere and wanting to carry out their highest ideals.Some of the chapters start with excerpts from an in-universe book written by the chaos mages that describes their view of historical events. It's very biased, bordering on propagandistic, but the factual content of what happened in the previous books is probably about as much as can be expected between hostile civilizations.There's war, as required to set up the events of The Magic Engineer but it's limited to the last 20% or so and does well enough. Surprisingly it doesn't end with an act of immense magical destruction.I'm now a bit less than a third of the way through the series. I don't think my opinion is going to change that this is a series to read for its familiarity. Basically it's a comfort series.Rating: 3.5/5
Any reason why Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy is kinda forgotten?Have you guys read it?
>>25461752your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>25461715He has the highest-grossing kickstarter of all kickstarters.
So I finished the second book of the Dune series, where the suspense is almost completely gone. There is close to no action anymore, as 95% of the plot is about people sitting and talking about philosophy or whatever. It’s doesn’t even have interesting dialogues. The stuff they are talking about is interesting on the theoretical level, but there is no emotion to spice them (no pun intended). It’s as if they are machines, which is extra ironic since it takes place in a setting that has abolished computers.The premise is good at first, since it’s about the protagonist as the messiah of Dune, having caused the death of hundreds of times more people than those he saved. It’s a subversion of the chosen one who in typical stories only defeats evil and saves the innocent. The psychological pressure is there, but it means nothing because it’s about destiny. Paul is not choosing anything; he’s just following his fate. He can see the future without being able to change it, therefore there is nothing to be saddened about something you will do regardless of how you feel about it. That’s the thing with fatalism; it takes away free will and along with it the responsibility of your actions, so whatever the plot considers tragic, is fake.There is a scene where an explosion blinds him, and another scene where someone steals a worm, thus ending his monopoly on spice. These are supposed to be plot twists that make Paul a tragic character. Only thing they are not, since he knew they were coming and did nothing to stop them. The book makes it sound like he wasn’t sure what would happen, but it comes down to the author nerfing his prophetic powers as a lazy contrivance for the sake of building a mystery that has nothing to excuse its existence. Even the ending is weak sauce. Paul quickly kills the traitors, something he could have done from the very first pages if his powers weren’t magically taken away by the plot, and then exiles himself to the desert, leaving behind his newborn kids to take over. Why did he do that? So it can be melodramatic nonsense. I don’t see why people are defending the books as the best science fantasy can offer, and I am not motivated to read any further.
Threadly reminder to report and ignore newfag spammers like >>25461783 who purposely make off-topic inflammatory posts in bad faith and has attempted to prevent book discussion for four years running.>>21323327
>>25461804This should have been part of Children of Dune.
>>25461789somebody link it i wanna see how ridiculous this shit is
>>25461812It was for the leatherbound edition of The Way of Kings.
>>25461816Speaking of which, my leatherbound way of kings arrived 10 minutes ago. Thank you my Ns for the encouragement.
>>25461812https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dragonsteel/the-way-of-kings-10th-anniversary-leatherbound-edition>$6,788,517 pledged of $250,000 goal But why
>>25461810Reporting shit on /lit/ is pointless. No one is listening.
>>25461748I liked the Vaults of Terra series the most out of the 40kslop I've read. You can read it with Watchers of the Throne since they take place during the same time period. Eisenhorn is the classic but the novels felt formulaic and repetitive to me. Elemental Council and The Emperor's Gift are good standalones. Twice Dead king is decent. If you're going to read the Horus Heresey, don't read it all because 90% of the books are unreadable garbage. just look up which books are more acclaimed or whatever interests you. Master of Mankind, Scars, Path of Heaven, Know no Fear, and The First Heretic are the better ones. As long as you know the general timeline you can skip the rest.
>>25461804>therefore there is nothing to be saddened about something you will do regardless of how you feel about it. That’s the thing with fatalism; it takes away free will and along with it the responsibility of your actions, so whatever the plot considers tragic, is fake.Do you really believe that? If a doctor told you or someone you cared about would die soon from a terminal illness, would knowing that negate all sadness about it? I don't see why foreknowledge of an event changes how to be felt about it. The responsibility is still there. Nothing has changed aside from the knowledge you have. Fatalism doesn't take away free will any more than other mindset does. Do you only consider unknown and unpredictable events to be real? >he knew they were coming and did nothing to stop them.Sometimes doing nothing is the best choice, especially when doing something has caused problems. He's unable to carry the burden placed upon him. Sometimes life just doesn't work out. Perhaps not stopping them was the best that could be done.>exiles himself to the desert, leaving behind his newborn kids to take over. Why did he do that? So it can be melodramatic nonsense. It's not exile. It's suicide. He never was a chosen one. That's just what everyone believed and those beliefs took on a life of their own. He saw The Golden Path, but was too weak to travel down it. That's for someone else. You not having any sympathy for his circumstances doesn't make it melodramatic nonsense. What do you think of concept that some have been pushing that they call "suicidal empathy"?
>>25461713They're all at least decent, but having read nearly all of them (sans Tiffany), Ancient Civs>MVL>Death>Watch>Witches>Rincewind.Small Gods, Making Money, and Monstrous Regiment are the best three.
>>25461849Because they make it their identity.
>>25461748You start with the best, of course.
>>25461713In that vein, how about something that overstays its welcome and becomes the literary equivalent of zombie animated TV shows?
>>25461875I can understand why people coomsoom video game consoles, concert or sport tickets and merchandize, those new editions with painted edges, literally any money waste on any other hobby, but $200 for this crap? Gesú Cristo.
Are there any books/series that follow a Main Character that performs the most apocalyptic/worst option worth reading? I’m looking for a something that has a similar situation to the Rumbling from Attack on TitanI see many online say the Poppy War Trilogy which I’ve been reading but it doesn’t hit hard enough also foid slop
>>25461887Like 2 decent books spun into 60 years of getting paid to masturbate in front of a typewriter. People bitch about Patreon games but John Norman is the original wanksta. I can't help but wonder what percentage of his readers he's outlived.
>>25461921The actions of Paul Atriedes leads to the deaths of tens of billions between the first and second dune books.
>>25461921Not off the top of my head. However, If you or anyone else cares, I can recommend a 5-book series about a world-ending apocalypse threat that occurs around book 3. So you actually see the preparation AND the aftermath.
>>25461644>can't really be "killed",Should've said defeated but the point stands. >expands the series to highlight the sisyphysian struggle of righteous power vs. the personification of "the evil that lives in the heart of menReally? The tribal civilization of the Stonemen, Woodmen and Ramen and Bloodguard (forgot the name of their mountain warrior tribe) collective is pretty rigid and righteous. Without the corruption of Foul I don't see this evil you speak of since all people of the Land religiously adhere to the Oath of Peace.The only evil humans or giants that popped up in the trilogy were corrupted directly by Foul or his demon minions.
>>25461921Reddit Rising. Darrow is similar to Eren Jaeger in that he claims to fight for a morally righteous cause and gets hundreds of millions killed in the process.
>>25461937I am interested please state the name
>>25461921>worth reading>for attack on titan fanDungeon Crawler Carl? It's basically Garfield and John genocide galactic civilization.
>>25461937It's The Second Apocalypse, isn't it?
>>25461948>>25461955https://www.goodreads.com/series/190347-immortality-and-chaos
>>25461928Yea dune is great but it’s a name everyone already knows, I’m hoping to find a hidden gem or a lesser known series
>>25461959Here are some past posts from when I read the books:>>20890386>>20049689
>>25461959Thanks fren I will check it out
>>25461953Is that true? Do they actually commit genocide?
>>25461968No. The most that has occurred outside of the dungeon has been solar systems "going dark" but that was likely the AI's doing.
>>25461963https://warosu.org/lit/thread/20882577#p20890386https://warosu.org/lit/thread/20048986#p20049689
>>25461976Clicking the quote automatically takes you to the archived post. With 4chan x.
>>25461968They probably can't do literal genocide because galactic civilization is so huge and only a handful of species. They do a lot of war crimes though.>>25461972Those are confirmed destroyed later.
>>25461968They don't. The AI that runs the crawl, like anon has already said, has wiped out a star system, though it's not the MC and his cat's doing.
>>25461871I didn't want to reply to that retard because retards love to talk about philosophical concepts without any remote understanding of them, not that the fatalism hes talking about is even particularly philosophical. Its also objectively not fatalistic, since Paul could have chose otherwise he just didn't. As soon as I saw the juvenile language of "taking away free will" because juveniles are retards that always operate from an assumed basis that doesn't need to be justified so because his intuition tells him free will exists, anything otherwise is "taking it away" rather than establishing or proving otherwise. And finally "choice" is irrelevant to freewill, for every choice made, there isn't another choice dismissed. You can feel that you had a choice and never have anyway to know whether or not there was another choice, because you're only making one given choice at a time anyway. Awareness has nothing to do with fatalism or determinism, because you can never be aware of two different choices at the same time.Fucking retards in this general.
I have never had the desire to read Dune.
>look at me I'm le Gene Wolfe I withhold essential information from the reader in my first person perspective narrative aren't I cleversuck my dick
>>25462045This is a narrative """trick""" that genuinely pisses me off.
>>25461940I mean, I can spell it out for you if you want the spoilers. But the gist of it is that no system is above corruption, the road to hell is paved by good intentions, and anything that can't be killed can play the long game.
>>25461940>>254620694,000 years pass in The Land between book 3 and 4
>>25462069Oh so Foul comes back for round two? (don't answer, no spoilers) I'll pass. The first trilogy ties things up well enough in a satisfactory manner. Two more trilogies weren't necessary IMO and I'm rather tired of Dark Lords. Lord Foul is the last Dark Lord I'll ever read.>no system beyond corruption Two thousand years of peace and stability under the Lords would disagree with you. Demonic corruption excluded of course. The people and Lords of the Land were never shown to have such selfish or destructive desires naturally.>>25462074Time doesn't mean much overall since the social and political situation is static. IIRC it was two thousand years since Kevin's death at the start of the first book.
>>25461983What percent do you believe uses that? Including those on the phone.
>>25462039nta>being smacked down by pagespammer Brutal...
What the fuck bros, I didn't know Pratchett and Gaiman were chuds...
>>25462328erm wtf is this formatting
>>25462328>actually using the Kindle reader
>>25462388For a tablet or e-reader, does it actually make a difference? What sort of features or changes can possibly be made to be more useful?
Nothing peeves me like the flow of a story being broken up by a flashback scene
>>25462426We only read from real books here. Begone child. The adults are posting.
>>25462426???The anon I quoted is clearly using the PC Kindle reader client.
Just went through the expanse table of contents and...wow the chapters are really literally named Holden and Miller over and over again, for 50 chapters combined. It shouldn't matter to me, but somehow I find that naming convention hilarious. After reading so many books that either have no chapter name, or some clever or grand, or poetic collection of words, its somehow just...surprising to see 50 chapters named after 2 characters, with no variation whatsoever.Either that tells me exactly what type of book it is (either no false pretenses not tryharding or wanting to seem presentable, highly character focused, or boring and repetitive)
>>25462435I just used it to take a quick screenshot of the text, I don't use it for reading
>>25462444Fair. Have a nice night.
My Ns tell me about Martin’s non ice and fire work?
>>25462652Dying of the Light and Fevre Dream are good novels. The Armageddon Rag is awful, avoid it. His short stories are of varying quality.
>>25462656Thanks N. Any thoughts on Windhaven?
>>25462659>Any thoughts on Windhaven?Haven't read it, he wrote it with Lisa Tuttle and she's a tedious feminist cunt and the premise sounds wank so I avoided it
>>25462664Thanks again
>>25462652>>>/lit/grrm
>>25462673Ah, my apologies. I had not realize he had his own thread.
>>25461748This man knows what he is talking about. And said it better than I ever could>>25461854
Any fellow fans of Arthur C Clarke? I've been reading thru his complete Collected Short Stories (huge book by the way!) and I'm currently reading "Earthlight" I think it's called. Clarke had some really advanced ideas for 1951. I think I can see some inklings of PKD's style & themes.
