What is some good anti-American literature?
Read the pre-Vatican 2 Popes. The Church's vision of the world before the Council is basically the polar opposite of what America wants for the world.I have long suspected the Vatican was heavily infiltrated by the CIA after World War 2 and this explains a lot about the last 80 years.
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The majority of European literature is inherently anti-American.I boycott all American literature anyway with the exception of Poe, Faulkner and Philip Roth.
>>25463306William S. Burroughs. Even in the avant-garde way he wrote, he is being anti-American. >>25463329>The Church's vision of the world before the Council is basically the polar opposite of what America wants for the world.Elaborate, please. Sounds interesting.
>>25463341>PoeAmerican writer when American literature was basically an off-shoot of European literature. >Faulkner Tried to adopt European literary senses and tried to court European readership his whole career. >Philip RothAmerican jew.
>>25463341>The majority of European literature is inherently anti-American.Can you elaborate? I’ve heard a lot of people say this
>>25463329America really is Satan
>>25463306Pope Pius X approved:Americanism and the Anti-Christian conspiracy by Delassus, then the Anti-Christian Conspiracy: The Masonic Temple Seeking to Rise from the Ruins of the Catholic Church if you want the full Vatican approved worldview before Vatican II but it's not as heavily about Americans, just mentioning it since the US is a freemason project.>>25463329>I have long suspected the Vatican was heavily infiltrated by the CIA after World War 2 and this explains a lot about the last 80 years.Interesting theory. Never heard that one before!! The real infiltration started when they lost their Papal States (much earlier than that actually, you can always go back from their first Rothschild loan or to the Medici but then you end up writing an entire book about this slow descent), Rampolla (freemason) would have become Pope instead of Pius X (who brought the Church a few more decades) if it weren't for Franz Joseph.
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>>25463329>>25463423>Catholics seething about their increasing irrelevanceLmao. Reminder that the Church losing temporal power to strong nation states and people no longer buying into their religion isn't some Statanic conspiracy. Git gud. Le based tradcath monarchies aren't coming back. >>25463438>>25463344>William S. Burroughs>George FitzhughNow this is some good stuff.
>>25463553>Tankie junkie tranny has an opinionI'm not religious whatsoever, and ywnbaw
The Loved One by Evelyn Waugh
>>25463306Anything by a black author released in the past decade.
>>25463306There's lots of anti-American literature, but most of it isn't good.Lots of French intellectuals have a real anti-USA streak. I was amazed, reading Simulacra and Simulation, for example, just how much of it was motivated by childish resentment. "France used to be top dog, and now those pesky English-speaking Americans are, so I'm going to bitch at them" is written across his heart and it's kinda surprising how blatant it is. You'd think he would try to hide it just a little bit.Several well-regarded fiction writers have the same sort of chip on their shoulder. Two obvious examples: Graham Greene and John Le Carré. Try The Quiet American from Greene for example. Or pretty much anything by Le Carré. The Constant Gardener I remember as particularly egregious.
>>25463329>I have long suspected the Vatican was heavily infiltrated by the CIA after World War 2 Based if true
>>25463306third worlders can't read or write, so its a self-refuting question.
>>25463650French people are smelly cuckolds
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>>25463341You even boycott Melville?
>>25463607The correct answer. Nobody hates us worse than the descendants of slaves. Pure resentment.
>>25463659America is the vehicle for the third world, anon. America's liberalism and pro-immigration is what allowed the third world to unite against the West.
>>25463855>if I repeat a phrase hundreds of times it will be true eventually!
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>>25463661They are a people crowned in the laurels of victory and ancient glories. What sort of glory does your country have, American?>>25463897Except he’s right. Who forced the European empires to decolonize? The Americans. Now go ahead and kill yourself american “right winger”
>>25464315>What sort of glory does your country have, American?you’re writing in american english
>>25464323Doesn’t compare to this
>>25464323Or this
>>25464315I hope some Paki rapes your mother
>>25464327>>25464329what about this?are you french? seems more likely you’re american. by curriculum every country in the world (except south america) is taught british english. unless you (or your teacher) forgot certain rules because the global culture is american.
>>25464333>american seething because he’ll never have a history as glorious as France’sKek.I hope a jew, a negro, a spic, and an Indian (all with more than +1 million diaspora in the USA) rape you, tonight
>>25464343>French history What history? Remember you say no monarchy no history so since the guillotines fell, you no longer have one.
>>25464341>. by curriculum every country in the world (except south america) is taught british englishI don't think that's the case anymore. When I text non-British people they always use Americanisations.
>>25464351like i said i think it’s because they consume american media. even some english people write ‘recognize’ instead of ‘recognise’ on occasion.
>>25464350>in a literature board>says France has no history after the revolutionHoly shit. Americans need to be range banned from /lit/
>>25464377NTA but it was probably just autocorrect
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>>25464379it’s an american website.
>>25464379We own this place so good luck trying. Besides I wasn't being serious, I was just trying to get a reaction out of you and it looked like it worked.
>>25464408what the hell you saved this from one of my posts
>>25464386>muh American websiteDon’t care>>25464387>I was just pretending to be retardedSure
>>25464412cope
>>25463351I'm shocked the pornhub ad isn't interracial
>>25464418>Americans will never have picrel
>>25464433>posted to an american website written in american english from an american iphonei wonder how the yanks will sleep at night.
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>>25464453answer: on a bed made of money.
>euros will never know what it's like to walk in downtown Chicago on a rainy dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXkkKm4AwBg>Between the curved steel of the El and the nearest Clark Street hockshop, between the penny arcade and the shooting gallery, between the basement gin-mill and the biggest juke in Bronzeville, the prairie is caught for keeps at last. Yet on nights when the blood-red neon of the tavern legends tether the arc-lamps to all the puddles left from last night’s rain, somewhere between the bright carnival of the boulevards and the dark girders of the El, ever so far and ever so faintly between the still grasses and the moving waters, clear as a cat’s cry on a midnight wind, the Pottawatomies mourn in the river reeds once more.>"The streets, the lamps, the lighted chamber set for dining, are for me. The theatre, the halls, the parties, the ways of rest and the paths of song—these are mine in the night. Though all humanity be still enclosed in the shops, the thrill runs abroad. It is in the air. The dullest feel something which they may not always express or describe. It is the lifting of the burden of toil."
>>25464487>nigger infested chicongo with more mass shootings daily than in several European countries combined>>25464481>American only cares about the material Not beating the allegations.
>>25464498>nigger infested chicongo with more mass shootings daily than in several European countries combinedChicago is not all of America. Funny how you accuse Americans of being geographically inept when you say things like this>Not beating the allegationsYeah because communism isn't totally the same thing. Right.
>>25464498Wait, aren't you French? You're throwing stones in a glass house.
>>25463306Lord of the rings
>>25463588>MGM was interested in adapting Waugh's novel Brideshead Revisited (1945). Waugh had written that, "I should not think six Americans will understand it" and was baffled and even angered by its popularity in America, referring to it as "my humiliating success in [the] U.S.A."
>>25464570Go to the French countryside and try to find a single nigger. You can’t lol.
>>25464567>Chicago is not all of America.Read the full post you illiterate faggot>hurr durr you’re a commie!Except im not. Are you American incapable of comprehending the fact that everyone hates you? I’m a Romantic Traditionalist.
>>25463306Any of Scott Horton's books, they will make you despise America and it's cattleified population.
>>25464708Textbook goalpost moving.
>>25464741But what if I already do? I want literature, preferably European, that criticises the United States in depth
>>25464787>town is 20% spiclol okayI’ll go watch a historical reenactment in my 100% European hamlet, you fucking shitskin
>>25464793The United States worst aspect is the wars it started and killed millions, Which Horton elucidates in detail, if you're looking for lefty slop just read Bob Sneedward or some shit it's all the same. Or perhaps Klaus Schwab.
>>25464828No. The United States worst aspect is its culture and cultural imperialism.The way it has transformed western societies from being autocratic and I guess “transcendent” to soulless materialistic entities. Not to mention its emphasis of globalism and the destruction of native cultures. This is the type of shit I am interested in.
>>25464846sounds like s skill issue. if European culture is so strong, why couldn't it put up a fight against the United States?
>>25463306Read the newspaper. BAZINGA!
>>25464878I don’t believe in might makes right which is an Africanist ideology
>>25464846You guys did all of that to yourselves.>I am astonished at the surprising ease with which the Constituent Assembly was able to destroy at a stroke all the former French provinces, several of which were more ancient than the monarchy and then to divide methodically the kingdom into eighty-three distinct districts as if it was dealing with the virgin soil of the New World. Nothing surprised and even terrified the rest of Europe more, since it was not prepared for such a sight. ‘It is the first time,’ said Burke, ‘that we have seen men tear their country into shreds in such a barbarous fashion.’ In fact, while they seemed to be dismembering living bodies, they were only butchering dead flesh.>Our revolution has often been attributed to that in America and indeed the latter exercised much influence on the French Revolution but it owed less to what was happening in the United States than to what was being thought at the same period in France itself. While in the rest of Europe the American Revolution was still only a novel and unusual event, in France it simply turned what we already knew into something more evident and striking. In Europe it evoked astonishment, in France it finally managed to convince. The Americans seemed merely to be putting into practice the ideas of our writers; they endowed what we were dreaming of with the solid achievement of reality. It was as if Fenelon had suddenly found himself in Salentum. This situation – which was so new in history – where the whole political education of a great nation was conducted entirely by men of letters, was perhaps the main contribution to the particular genius of the French Revolution and to the resulting society which we now see.>I recall that, when first I was doing research in the archives of an intendancy to discover the nature of a parish in the Ancien Regime, I was taken aback to find in this exceedingly poor and subservient community several features which had struck me formerly in the rural townships of America and which I had wrongly thought must be peculiar to the New World. Neither had permanent representatives or a municipal council in the strict sense. Both of them were administered by officials operating independently under the control of the whole community. Both of them had from time to time general assemblies where all the inhabitants met in one single body, elected their magistrates and managed their important business. In a word, these two systems were as much like each other as the living can resemble the dead.
>>25464896De Tocqueville was a fucking midwit retard. Everyone knows America destroyed the last vestiges of European culture in 1945. And I say this as an anti-fascist
In Lolita, you can't go a single page without Humbert complaining about Americans doing anything wrong.
>>25464955>De Tocqueville was a fucking midwit retardI think I'll put de Tocqueville over some angry LARPer on /lit/.
>>25464955>I say this as an anti-fascistWhy anyone ever feels the need to say this I don't know.
>>25464386>founded by epstein's mate>bought out by JapAmericana through and through.
>>25464315France never decolonized and Britain did that to itself. America kicked the Spanish empire to death, but only after Britain had done 99% of the damage. It was also Britain that forced the Dutch and the Germans to decolonize. In short, you are delusional.
>>25465462>Britain did that to itselfBizarre knowledge of history and a complete lack of nuance and subtitly. You believe all actions are just what treaties are publicly signed?
>>25465081No LARP here. Just saying>>25465462Two words: Suez CrisisLook it up
>>25463650I wouldnt say graham greene or le carrè had a chip on their shoulder. I think they recognised the american power and influence over the UK not being as benign and a helpful as it was made out to be (and in my opinion proved right) theres also a class issue of the old ways dying and the new american ways coming in a large cultural shift and cultural hegemony from the US that many wanted to resist. Isnt the traitor in smileys people only a traitor because he finds american influence more intolerable than Russian. I think its difficult for modern British people to understand and even more difficult for an american
>>25465143founded by an american hosted & operated in america she’s as american as apple pie mon frere
>>25464498can you rewrite this in perfect french?
>>25463306Anything written by the jews.
>>25465680Being anti-American is being pro white though
>>25465669Yeah, like I said: founded by a jewish paedophile's friend; and sold to the highest bidder like a whore. I understand that's the American way.
>>25465704a fine old american tradition
Vonnegut, A Man Without a Country
>>25465696Not really. That's an Eastern psyop.
>>25465704You sound mentally ill
>>25465610Yes the British upper classes (whether moneyed, gentry titles, or cultural upper classes) tended to be very suspicious of Americans and rightfully feared Americanisation much more than an exceedingly improbable sovieto-russification which was simply too alien and too unattractive. It already was the case before the second world war and became stronger after the incredile backstab of Suez. However Americans already had too much invovlment in British politics and from Thatcher on bong politicians lost the slightest bit of independence until Trump made people realise how far we had gone (Blair wasn't enough apparently), but the general feeling in the intelligentsia from 1956-1980 was hostile to Americanisation, which indeed destroyed the cultural driving force of the traditional British high culture circles and left the youkay be defined by plebs consuming US media all day without even a language barrier slowing the process as in the rest of Europe.
>>25465123they have to make their politics known to signal to their ingroup regardless of the relevance to the discussion, the discussion is unimportant, tribal politics is what really matters to them.
>>25463347So?
>>25466237>that imageKek, saved
>>25463306Every book is anti-American, because Americans are too stupid to be able to read at all
>>25463306Sayyid Qutb.
>>25463306The Constitution and Declaration of Independence probably, since they've spent the last hundred years or so shitting on it
>>25463667Slave morality is so pathetic.
>>25463351New York does not represent real America
>>25469878What does?
>>25463588>>25464585>The novel was successfully published in America as well, though Waugh had feared lawsuits so much that he employed his friend Lord Stanley of Alderley to add a codicil to his will instructing that he be buried at Forest Lawn. Waugh also claimed that American morticians would refuse to service his body should he die in the US. The novel was well-reviewed, however, and sales were good.>they're really going to hate this one guys!>it's liked again and no one cares
>>25469983Why was he so convinced Americans wouldn't like his novels?
>>25463661Your jealously is palpable.Let us discuss the American mass market reader. Harry Potter sits at the apex, a children's series that somehow became the intellectual ceiling for millions of adults who still speak of "the boy who lived" and "chosen one" with reverence. Dan Brown follows with pulp conspiracy straight out of /x/ or a Nicolas Cage flick. Then the Tom Clancy industrial complex of course, the great American fantasy that the CIA, a few Navy SEALs, and enough burger eating testosterone can spread democracy and bring the bad guys all over the world to justice. Iraq era Fox News the novelization. We have ghostwritten pamphlets by Epstein clients, white guys in khakis who are Toastmasters alumni having once seen an Alan Watts VHS on late-night PBS and now style themselves gurus, the "Think Like a Champion/Dale Carnegie/Tony Robbins/X for Dummies/48 Laws of Power" industrial output. The great Anglo-Saxon utilitarian mindset on display. Investment manuals and "business advice" occupy the same shelf...capitalism's bedtime stories, where every problem is solved by sheer protestant grit, a morning routine, and the right index fund. School assignments provide the thin veneer of legitimacy- a couple of Shakespeare plays (Romeo and Juliet, perhaps Macbeth if the district is ambitious), To Kill a Mockingbird, The Great Gatsby, maybe a Steinbeck or Orwell. These are not read so much as survived, then cited forever after as proof of having "done the classics." Moby Dick and Twain survive mostly as pop-culture references in cartoons and puns. Actual engagement? Rarely outside academia.Then come the performative layers. These function as signaling devices- I am smart, edgy, cool, badass, not like the rednecks and jocks, please sleep with me, look at me, I am aware of capitalism and how it works but not like the other guys, no, I'm real, trust me.A subset of female consumers gravitates toward true crime sludge (Ann Rule and her descendants) or the bodice-ripper continuum consisting of the Fabio, "biblical" romance, contemporary AO3/billionaire-vampire-mafia-Christian Grey industry. Michael Crichton occupies his own niche of airports and the offices of lawyers and insurance salesmen across the country. Philosophy, such as it is, gets reduced to STEMlord "debunking" - Chris Hitchens, Dawkins, Sam Harris, Malcolm Gladwell, Nassim Taleb, Stephen Pinker, the whole TED-talk empiricism industrial complex. Everything must be backed by data and heckin SCIENCE, everything must be "rational". Nuance is for Europeans who have too much time. Oprah's Book Club, Mormon and Protestant moralist novels with manichean plots, tidy redemption, and the moral complexity of a greeting card. BookTok and the "art breaux" adjacent crowd add a thin sheen of trendiness - the Rupi Kaur, Easton Ellis and DFW name dropper, Sally Rooney, texts referenced by Red Scare or Joe Rogan's podcast or whatever, Woolf/Austen/Shelley/Plath for aesthetic signaling.
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>>25470158No need to intellectualise the issue this much, it is simply pic related.
>>25464379I don't know, man... Maybe I'm getting old, but the more I read, the more truth I see in his thesis. France's history probably ended when Joan of Arc's banner was burned.
>>25470158this is good but you forgot stephen king
>>25463306>the axis of eternal seething
>>25464315Did you post that because you and everyone else seething in this thread has a glaring Napoleon complex when it comes to the USA?
>>25463306>Stalin>Anti-americankek
