How have you been coping with the realization that the future will be completely illiterate, all information will be strictly controlled by a corporatist mafia like state and you're going to be viewed like a strange laughable relic of a "cringe" past when people read human-authored books and wrote in complete sentences without abbreviations or sometimes even whole paragraphs?
I don't car.
>>25464518I'm working to change the future, as best I can.
>>25464518Industrial society will unironically collapse if it ever gets to that point, ensuring that the problem will solve itself. The complex systems required to keep that kind of control must have a reasonably intelligent population to maintain them.>but AI-Still runs on hardware and still needs human hands to carry out maintenance. >but robots-The fine motor controls necessary for working on complex electronics only exist within the human hand. Any kind of robot with this sort of precision would have so many delicate moving parts that it would never ever be more cost effective to invent it than it would be to just keep human technicians around.Pretty soon humans would reinvent the aristocracy from first principles, and from there you'd get the educated leisure class again, and from there literature would become good again.
>>25464560never is a strong word
>>25464518Caring about things like this is gay
>>25464560What about attempts to enclose all information and make the internet government controlled and literally nothing but algo-slop and AI generated content. Libraries are gone (because they're a threat to children), schooling beyond 8th grade is strictly technical and online, (bevause college is a "scam") Wikipedia is de listed by the ISP's if it refuses to be bought by musk or Thiel, all paper books are scanned and shredded, you can read them if you pay a subscription fee and download an app. (Abridged copies of approved books of course, with AI generated "visualizations" accompanying them).Owning an old fashioned solid state removable storage drive is considered bizarre, suspicious, requires a permit. RAM is government controlled and rationed. All humans have a personal AI companion that shadows them from birth.You don't think literacy could disappear? What If it were simply seen as gross, narcissistic, queer and perverted, like going to a rope bondage club? Like mainstream society just viewed it as laughable, pathetic and disgusting?
>>25464518Already happened a century ago. People pretend to read but don't understand a word.>>25464560Control doesn't need anything complex or centralized will, just basic media like radio and no famines. The hardware is built by specialist chinese who don't read either.
>>25464560the kind of justification that you tech illiterate retards give for why something that is already happening won't happen is disappointing, for people who are supposed to be well read, your grasp of technology is laughably juvenile, you'd think people who criticize it would find a way to familiarize themselves or at least be more creative than this
>>25464518I'll just read books about that future. Maybe there are answers there.
>>25464518They're going to slaughter everyone.
>>25464592>You don't think literacy could disappear?It could, but if it did then technology would go with it, and modern global society would naturally go next. The competency crisis can only get so bad before the methods of control used to create it can no longer be operated. Illiterate retards cannot be trusted to run nuclear power plants in the long run, and when the obvious consequences of that come about then a certain amount of literacy will eventually return among the survivors.Consider what's happening right now to the 20th century infrastructure that was left behind in Africa. The roads are crumbling and no one can be trusted to fix them, power grids can't stay up reliably, agriculture has all but ceased to exist. If the competency crisis really proceeds to the level OP is fantasizing about, problems like this will arise in the west as well, and from there it's only a matter of time before the infrastructure necessary to run a "corporatist mafia-like state" ceases to exist.
I think after the decline at some point far in the future the works of the 20th century will be rediscovered like the Greeks in Europe which ended the Medieval period and began the Renaissance.
>>25465444>Consider what's happening right now to the 20th century infrastructure that was left behind in AfricaIt's being replaced by china.>>25465444>The roads are crumbling and no one can be trusted to fix themBeing built everyday by multinational conglomerates supported by world bank/imf/eu, etc.>>25465444>agriculture has all but ceased to existThriving since it's the continent with the highest population rate. Why do you retards go on the internet to talk about things you have no idea about? Just because your western countries are collapsing doesn't mean it's happening to the rest of the world.
>>25465457Are you fucking retarded? Africa's population boom is propped up entirely by foreign charity, and the money that gets poured in for infrastructure is notorious for constantly being embezzled by local politicians before it can do any good. Chinese-led projects are also notorious for falling apart due to incompetent local labor, and China itself is notorious for fantastically shitty infrastructure because it's only a few steps behind Africa in its own competency crisis.
So many demoralization threads. Gotta discourage people from reading, eh?
>>25465444More than that, this shit just doesn't work in the long run. I can't think of a surveillance state that's lasted more than a century. East Germany disintegrated. The entire Soviet Union disintegrated. You just can't keep it up, long-term, because eventually a critical mass of people are no longer afraid of you and your ability to control them will dissolve. And that will always be true, no matter how advanced technology becomes.
>>25464518Not really. The merchants don’t know what to do anymore, thus they have come up with the idea of making all us commies, which is a 19th century trait. The future will be wonderful.
>>25465468You are an ignorant retard who has never left their hometown and gets their international news from some partisan news network.
>>25464518>you're going to be viewed like a strange laughable relic of a "cringe" pastthats retarded. books have thousands of years of prestige attached to them. the big whigs of whatever future you imagine would read and nobody is competent enough to create a world like that anyways
>>25465444I kind of see what you're getting at here but let's say a few competent people used AI to control others and kept the knowledge to themselves, so there was just enough system wide competency to keep things in stasis? Viewed from the bottom, it would seem like no one could read. Or perhaps they could read on a basic rudimentary level but detested the idea of reading a lot. Language might become more simplified and iconography.>>25465474If you consider this a demoralization thread your psyche is as brittle as glass>>25465501But these states didn't collapse because of surveillance, they collapsed because they could see that others had it better and their leaders weren't keeping their promises. If anything the surveillance helped them last longer.
>>25466360>psyche is as brittle as glassWhat if it really is, what then?
>>25465553And so was horseback riding. Until a little pver 100 years ago. Do you know how to ride a horse anon?
>>25466372Well you should seek out what makes you uncomfortable, cause a rupture in ypur world view over and over until it gradually becomes stronger, and you can suppose anything without accepting it as true. Like it says in the hagakure "a warrior meditates on his own death daily"
>>25464518What nonsense. Where did you dig up this old fossil? Is he supposed to know this future?the framing of this question is like something out of that trashy antinatalist shit. I bet you're the prick who posts that too. KYS
>>25464518>corporatist The interdiction of information is a uniquely left-wing phenomenon.Here is a picture of socialists burning books.
>>25467388We've told you many times before this is not "leftism" nor is corporatism a form of socialism. These men were well oiled by oligarchy to KILL SOCIALISTS (albeit state-socialists) from the Jewish Germans to the Russians.Here's a book that points that out. For some reason the zionists in publishing didn't care to promote it.
>>25467416>National SocialismThe clue is in the name, champ.The Nazis were collectivists, hence left-wing.
>>25467437>The clue>He doesn't knowI just fucking spelled it out for you. They were deceiving upper class SPD types. They murdered truer socialists to win seat in parliament. >Collectivists So football teams are all left-wing socialists? Stop being stupid, champ.
>>25464518>Thiel hiding out on an Argentinian buttsex fortress>Zuck building a climate apocalypse bunker in Hawaii>Same for EllisonThe corporatist mafia like state is a nothing burger. I'd be more worried about surviving global warming induced famine.
>>25467457I actually do think the United States, and the West more broadly, are headed for a return of authoritarian systems of government. Dictators, kings, emperors, that sort of thing.But I don't think it will be the techbros doing it. They've got a lot of techne, a lot of nuts-and-bolts skill, but it takes more than that to rule and govern. More than that to seize power in the first place, for that matter. Can you honestly imagine Zuck or Bezos rallying people to crown them king, like Caesar or Napoleon? Of course you can't. They don't have the temperament for it. They don't have the charisma and the will-to-power.It's going to be different sorts of people who establish our new-old ways of governing.
>>25467485Rich people hire governments. But it is also true that they chose the techbros. They uplifted them and appear to be entertaining some of their ideas for how to order the new world. There are several differing camps of course, but this Technate is just the techno-feudalism seen in Blade Runner
>>25467485I broadly agree but I think the United States is heading towards balkanization as well. How is the Napoleon in DC going to retvrn to le heckin White Power when 30% of California and Texas is Mexican?
>>25465451If the post-collapse civilization bases its thinking on rediscovered works like To Kill a Mockingbird, The Stranger, The Diary of Anne Frank and The Open Society and Its Enemies we'll truly regress to the ape state.
>>25465501Democratic People's Republic of Korea
I've been saying for years, Brave New World got it all wrong & the future will in fact be a hellish nexus between Nineteen Eighty-four & Fahrenheit 451.
Do all threads on this board need to degenerate into which ideology we are currently following or which one trumps the other? I find this line of thinking rather shallow and juvenile. As if the world leaders meet somewhere to argue about it. Can you imagine it? Netanyahu and erdogan arguing about marxism while macron and putin talk about stalinism or neoliberal economics. Are you retards unable to step out of your artificial seemingly useless political ideologies and actually talk about what is happening in the world without making an obscure reference from someone who lived 100 yrs ago and couldn't imagine the world right now if a gun was pointed at his head?
>>25467862What kind of thread did you expect with the OP being the way it is?
>>25466375Unlike horses, books and literacy and literature have been immutable since their inception, and they have already experienced moments of populous illiteracy. There have been numerous dark ages across all of humanity at different times. Reading was done only by elites and curious, then by the masses, then only by elites and curious, then by the masses, and it's shaping up to only be done by the elites and curious again. Comparing horses here is a false analogy.
>>25467453>football teams are political organisations
>>25467502>They uplifted themYeah, they forced a billion people to join Facebook ...
>>25464518It's funny to me that everyone seems to think that AI is some sort of centralizing force.Modern society is held together by propaganda and the experience/value normalization of mass media, which can create synthetic experiences that allow someone in Cleveland Ohio to identify/agree with/reach the same conclusions as someone in Portland Maine.But with AI, using local models the proliferation of which is impossible to prevent, a regular joe can create specific propaganda/experiences tailored to a local region or a differing ideology at parity with the most exceptionally well funded sources.The last time this happened was the reformation, when the monasteries lost control of the book, and the Catholic European monoculture fractured into bits.The future will in fact be smaller, more varied, and more local, not bigger.
>>25468046That's how Byzantine politics worked.
People are innately curious enough that all the problems of illiteracy will simply solve themselves on their own, if people are merely given access to enough information about the world to reach the same obviously conclusions as all the people over the last few thousand years who wrote stupid books about obvious shit (and even stupider books about obtuse bullshit).Though you could prevent this from happening by selecting for low IQ in the population. Then they will simply not be smart or articulate enough to figure stuff out on their own. But then, they wouldn't have understood it if they were literate anyway. So the literacy part isn't the problem regardless.
>>25468354Were the Blues the socialists, or the Greens? Tell us more.
>>25464518I've read A Canticle for Leibowitz, I'll be fine... probably.
>>25468049No, the tech billionaires got handed tech that would make them money. To get in now though you have to let Thiel fuck you in the ass.>>25468046>cuz some political organizations aren't collectives Why the fuck are you even here? And posting your picture?
>>25469314>conspiracy theoriesLOL, try harder.
>>25469570>conspiracy theoriesNot theories at all. Out in plain sight facts. You have to try harder to see them or bury them. Depending on which side you're on.
>>25467457I used to worry a lot about climate change but since the solar power boom it’s a solved problem.
>>25467594>Established 1948
