Sand Doom edition>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious:>>25460794
first for Yev
>>25466794You can't buy shit with 35 cents these days.
>>25466196What do you think of pagespammers points? I want to read the Expanse and am considering all posts here on it.
Fuck yevFuck baynefagFuck goodreadsgroupfagsFuck youreviewsareshitfagFuck antiyoureviewsareshitfagFuck pagespammerFuck bakkerfag
>>25466806wh-... what about me? I'm not one of those.
once again asking if I should pick up the WH40K Eisenhorn omnibus
>>25466806All me btw
>>25466803I really liked The Expanse, but both the books and TV series get kinda draggy as you get through more of the volumes. But quality dropoff is much worse with TV series. The books are still readable. I can't stand the later show episodes.
>>25466807Sorry. And more importantly, fuck _____(You)__!
>>25466803I read Leviathan Wakes years but I also remember not liking the Holden chapters much. I thought the Rocinante crew were boring characters.
>>25466812I don’t know Babylon’s Ashes was painful to read. All that belter POV and belter lingo. And Filip was a little bastard. I hope he died.
Why are we banning authors?I get /grrm/ exists, but none of the other authors have their own threads, and if we made a thread for every single 'banned author' we'd overrun the entire board with seething autists who hate all scifi and fantasy and don't think it's real literature
>>25466812Television adaptations are never worth watching compared to the source material. They butcher and fail to capture so many details both large and small.
>>25466824Ignore the schizo thread baker. You're to talk about the novels of whoever you desire.
>>25466816I agree, but Miller clearly gets the most direct focus, for how nothing of a character he is. Even more than Holden he's a character with virtually no motivations or values, and the motivations he gets are arbitrary (Julie) somebody will mention that "he cares about Belter life" but thats not a motivation, or a character or a person. Thats a byproduct of the fact that hes our most direct access POV to the belt, while also needing to be a character that receives enough information about the questions surrounding everything going on, so that they can be dripfed at a pace the reader can find interesting."He's radical because he noted that he didnt care that somebody got lynched for not cleaning filters properly" but that doesnt matter, I almost forgot about that infact because Miller tends to express things in such a matter of fact way, that it leaves no impression, theres no deeper thought or dwelling, and when I say "deep" I don't even mean the standard of actually being philosophically, scientifically, academically rich. I simply means "Miller doesn't think beyond the surface level on the judgements, or happenings of the society he lives in""He cares about Julie because she represents the rebelious, gutsy, person who cares that he isnt" All this suggests is that Julie is a more interesting character than Miller, it only makes sense when you take Miller as a representation of something, not as an actual person. People don't work like that in real life. Life is so much more complicated than that. You can love somebodys ideals, love that they represent what you lack, and never romantically love that person. But I guess thats the thing about "love" we don't actually know whether Miller loves Julie, or whether its just an infatuation, or obsession, or what. But I'd argue thats the very problem. We dont actually understand the nature of anything about how Miller feels about things because theres no depth to it. We can't dwell on the nuances of "attraction" the distinctions of love vs infatuation, because Miller doesn't give enough to do that. Isn't that lacking?I'm not even arguing to criticize the book anymore. I'm just arguing against all the people trying to imply that Miller is somehow a better character than Holden. I've seen this sentiment on reddit too, a lot of people like Miller for some reason and seem to have the impression that the series lost something when he dies (I only know this from the TV show) and I was also among those perspectives, when I watched the show. But thats because I don't remember the show doing this with Miller. When you hyperfocus on a character, put them under a microscope, and try to find what makes up that character, you also run the risk of revealing that theres not actually much there. And thats really my problem with Miller, we're stuck in his head for like 50 chapters, and Holden is basically along the ride, and its virtually useless because Miller is not interesting.
I've already expressed my theory in the last thread. But my theory is that what people like about Miller isnt actually Miller. Its the fact that all the information about what we want to know about the story, passes through his perspective. We learn the OPA had something to do with Julie through him. We learn that the OPA is working with Ceres through him, We learn that Julies parents knew something through him. We learn that OPA had nothing to do with the 6 ships that fucked the Donnager through him. Holden is in the heart of it, but these things are basically happening to him by accident, Miller is who puts it all together.
>>25466798>35 cents in 1955 is worth about $4.36 todayThey'd be charging $15 for this shit
>>25466853>>25466846Also Julie is a cutie. And Julie is only in Miller’s POV. Did he fall in love with her? Her vision did replace his visions of his ex wife after all.
>>25466798Thanks, Biden!
>>25466812I liked the first three quite a lot, but I tapped out at the big shift after that. Couldn't reconnect.
I don't hate Holden but knowing he's a POV character makes me want not to read these books at all.Miller was the shit, though.t. has only watched the show until Amazon raped it
>>25466868Show Holden was miscast
>>25466877in what way
>>25466879I just remember he looks like he was about to cry in almost every scene he was in.
Anyone know of any books/series featuring a female witch protagonist that are NOT historical fiction? I kind of just want a female protagonist that uses magic, ideally witch-flavored, but I'm willing to accept a lot of leeway there. Kind of like Vin from Mistborn for a well-known example that isn't quite what I'm talking about, but would be in the same broader category of what I want. I like this type of story in stuff like anime/manga but I haven't read normal books much like it. When I try to search for these types of stories, all I can find are Twilight-esque historical fantasy set in various American/British time periods. Seems like there are very few completely constructed fantasy worlds with witch protagonists compared to "boy with sword" or "wizard school boy" ones.
>>25466883
>>25466890So female Harry Potter basically? Man I’ve sampled a few fics of that. It is very odd to me that so many of them are Snape x femharry. Snape is not a groomer
Harry Potter invented wizards and magic.
>>25466794>AbercrombieWhat's wrong with First Law?
>>25466919Someone previously pointed out the MCU style quips
>>25466905That much is known.
>>25466903Sure, something like that would be fine although still a little more real-world/historical fiction than I want. I'm talking more like the Aes Sedai from Wheel of Time, but with the book(s) centered around that type of character instead of them being a love interest or side story. And ideally something with a more apostate witchy flavor than rigid magic school/army, but I'll take what I can get.
>>25466890What are some anime with this?
>>25466798You can buy a shitty used book at my local library for 25 cents
>>25466890Sabriel?
>>25466946Little Witch AcademiaKiki's Delivery ServiceWitch Hunter RobinWitch Hat AtelierMy Happy Marriage (this one is more historical fictiony and less "witchy" but has the female protag and magic stuff)
>>25466946Witch Hate Atelier the manga is better though
>>25466960Yeah, this sounds like the type of thing I want. Thanks.
>>25466952Consider yourself lucky, then.
Why do we have people actively sucking off pagespammer and defending him now?>At least he talks about booksI tried for an ENTIRE THREAD to talk about the book I'm currently reading just to have some schizophrenic jump down my fucking throat because "it's an obscure author no one has ever heard of"Bunch of slack-jawed fucking faggots.
>>25466973>Why do we have peopleWe don't. It's called "samefagging;"
>>25466890You might dismiss this but I think the best portrayal of witches is in Discworld
>>25466973I’ll talk about it with you! Do not be shy, share your joy!
>>25466979He can't talk about it. All he can do is post short sentences, expecting people to expand from that.>started reading X!>>still reading X. I like it.>>still reading X. Nothing else to report.Genuinely worthless posts, but somehow it's everyone's fault he can't articulate his thoughts. I guess he expected all of us to start reading "his" book as soon as he namedropped it, since he's life's main character, after all.
>>25466978Not really the tone I want in the storytelling, but I respect and appreciate the recommendation nonetheless.
>>25466973calm down
Just about to finish my long long journey through Gene Wolfe, i'm nearly done with Return To The Whorl.. Thinking about either restarting the whole series back from book one of BOTNS, or giving myself a year and just reading other scifi to cool off...
>>25467007too big
>>25466996this.
>>25466976>he actually believes this rather than the obvious answer being bored retards trolling pretending to support pagespammer because it makes other people mad
>>25467016>bored retards trollingTalking about yourself in the third person?
>>25466973Tell us exactly what you seemingly like or even dislike about what you're readingAgain, your previous posts don't really give us much to work with
>>25466403These ones.He's been spamming sepia-toned pages from books since last year.>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25140958#p25145642He started with Bakker (which he DNFed).>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25262819#p25264891Then Terra Ignota (which he also DNFed).>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25374043#p25380263Then Sun Eater (also DNFed)and several shortlived series since, all DNFed.Perhaps he should be named the DNFschizo since I've never seen him finish a series here.He changed his posting style when I made a userscript to filter out sepia pages, since heabsolutelycouldnotstandsomeone not wanting to read his posts. Lately it's been black-and-white like >>25460079. He has at least one post in the last thread too, just without screencaps to be less recognizable: >>25462039, probably >>25465379.If you see anyone posting walls of text about Naruto, or any of the above series, it's him. Tell him to fuck off and die.
>>25466859>believing cpi35 gold cents is $43
>>25467086You're the mentally ill one
I'm going to fucking kill you pagespammer.
I finally get around to reading Book of the New Sun and you faggots says we can't talk about Gene Wolfe anymore? What the fuck.
>>25467220Every accusation is a confession.
>>25467225What's wrong with this guy btw? Why is he allowed to be so blatantly psychotic?
>>25467227Shoulda read Vance instead
>>25467234You're not fooling anyone.
>>25467234You're a fucking nuisance and you need to be put down.
Pagespammer was definitely the guy everyone avoided in school and shunned.
What's the best science fiction or fantasy novel ever written in Pidgin English?
>>25464596He seemed fine at first if you could get past the Anthony Birch style writing but since around book 7 he has obviously become a genuine fag. I had inklings when we always let Donut go to the Penis Parade but we were never allowed inside Bitches. When male stripper NPCs became side characters instead of female strippers it was alarming. When the female strippers were only ever described as horrifying I was perturbed. Then there was>the artists had the temerity to draw a female character who didn’t give him an instant erectionWhich is mega fag territory to even commit to print. At this point there are mostly only ever girlbosses introduced as npcs or side characters. I thought this might be Dinniman trying not to have men take the spotlight from Carl but now he outright says Carl is being left in the dust by the likes of Donut and Li Na. The mechanic for the cars is a girlboss cunt, the car is a girlboss cunt. In book 6 Dinniman had Sister Ines girlbossing with the two male prisoners subservient. Donut just gave Prepotente a lecture about not making a sex slave.I could go on and on. It is a common thread. He always does it. He is just a mega giga fag.
>>25467234Mods are as new as the other users shitting up the place.
>>25466830The first three seasons of Expanse were excellent as far as I'm concerned. Of course not as good as the books but really tight.
>>25467270Lawd Dem Rangs.
Just finished Chapter 33, and Holden is definitely a worse character if for no other reason than how confident he is about making hastey, uninformed, stupid judgements. Which the book has reiterated enough that that is clearly the point, because nobody stops him even when they point it out, or are right. To the point that it borders on contrivance. Holden just ignored Millers whol argument of broadcasting information that Earth could be involved even though he doesn't know for sure by going "But da people gots ta know, you can't do things if its all out there" like some brainrotted retarded conspiracy theorist that doesn't understand why a government would withhold information during a pandemic until theyre sure, so that retards dont raid every single supermarket for their toilet paper. He never addressed Millers point, just appealed to an empty platitude about information.Everybody "knowing" the Mars shot the Cantebury certainly aided in preventing Eros being infected...oh wait. (To be fair the book tries to make it seem like it wouldnt matter either way since the riot gear got stolen before Julie was even on the Scopuli) It didnt, because the information was incomplete and served nobody by going to the public rather than people with better resources to properly unravel whats going on.I don't care anymore. I don't like stupid characters and will not tolerate stupid characters doing stupid things to drive the plot forward lazily. Not a single person on the ship should allow Holden to do the retarded shit he wants to do, thats really the biggest problem, especially Miller who firsthand had to deal with the Chaos that created. Also how fucking convenient the geniuses at Tycho couldnt decrypt the cube and figure anything out but the supercomputer on Roci, and Holden/Miller could.I am not mad yet. I am not mad yet. This is the kind of stupid contrived shit tv shows love to get away with, love to let their MC do stupid shit with zero accountability as if an external world doesnt actually exist with its own interests to resist, until its convenient to introduce conflict for the sake of provoking the most base of humans to feel something.
pagespammer tongues my anus
>>25467273Nah he only gets hard for mass murder. Like Hitler or Ged from Earthsea. Once the fighting dies down he'll hook up with 45yo 1 arm, 1 leg Katia and spawn some abominations.
>>25467604Holden gets put in his place :)
>>25466803I don't know who pagespammer is>I want to read the Expanseat least the first book is excellent SF, albeit quite fast-pacedas I said, the instant I read it I knew it was made for TV. I could identify the moment each episode ended, and even the commercial breaks. whenever I reached the end of the chapter I could hear that stupid generic "dramatic moment and then cut to black" sound effect they usethat being said, I enjoyed the 1st book very much, and I was happy enough to read the next couple of books>>25466816>the Rocinante crew were boringthey are. they're a pared-down copy of the Firefly crew. Amos and Alex exist only to be Muscle and Driveronce more: made for TVand Avarasala is a screaming harpy who contributes nothing, not "badass" like they were trying to make her out to be>>25466822>belter lingoyeah that was irritating as fuck tooI liked the concept but the words went untranslated too often>>25466301I will grant that you have a pointthat being said, you didn't answer the two questions I posed>Can you suggest a novel with better characterisation?>What further info about Miller would you want to know, in order to see him as a more rounded character?which are important because the question arises, in a nearly-200,000-word SF novel, you can only spend so many words describing so much of Miller's backstory leading up to this point, how much more do you need to know?the shortcut is to give well-known examples, please do that>When Miller brings up the story about how he first killed somebody on the job at 22, it does nothing, because there werent enough dimensionsyou are jumping into his life in medias res, there is a lot of backstory you'd have to deduce, and in this case a deduction from general human sentiment is valid>>25466846>We can't dwell on the nuances of "attraction" the distinctions of love vs infatuation, because Miller doesn't give enough to do thatlikewise we have enough information to deduce that he's infatuated with the idealised résumé of Julie rather than what she really is as a person, because he's never friggin MET herwe don't need to know Miller's entire life story in detail to know that
>>25466809It's pretty good, but it's also genreslop. Abnett writes "mature" capeshit, and this is no exception. If you like that (I did, FWIW), go for it.If not, try Infinite & Divine for 40k as a comedy for unaffected observers, or 15 Hours for grimdark srs bizniz.Hammers Slammers offers better "bolter porn" and there are plenty of other better "serious grimdark" scifi if that's what you're looking for. But 40k is a decent setting (becoming worse over time). Space Wolf and Night Lords series are better for "classic" 40k.
>>25466830This is true, including LOTR and especially ASoiaF.
>>25466859I can get lots of self published books for $1.99-$3.99. The problem is the publisher jew.
>>25467642I miss 2000s marvel cosmic
>>25467640Pagespammer is a persona of that which is known as Bakkerfag, a crossboarding newfag from /v/ who has been shitting up /sffg/ for at least 10 years. He is responsible for>Bakker worship>GRRM worship (the only other authors he references is GRRM and Tolkien)>random e-celeb posting (some fag named Daniel Greene)>some amount of anti-Sanderson posting (not to defend Sanderson)>another recent persona where he defends the most popular authors in genre fiction from any internet critiqueAmong other things.
>>25467333>Just finished Chapter 33, and Holden is definitely a worse character if for no other reason than how confident he is about making hastey, uninformed, stupid judgementsthat's the point>>25466853>my theory is that what people like about Miller isnt actually MillerI like himI think the unspoken irony about Miller accusing Holden of brain-dead idealism, and the Rocinante joke he made earlier, is that MILLER is tilting at windmills just like Holden, except his windmill is named Julieand before that, his windmill was Belter life>>25466862ditto>>25466877show everything was miscastit was a B-list show full of B-list actors that got glazed like nuts because American TV shows in general have shit acting
>>25466890>I kind of just want a female protagonist that uses magic, ideally witch-flavored, but I'm willing to accept a lot of leeway thereHowl's Moving Castle>>25466978agreed
>>25466960Underrated. Sabriel series is top tier YA fiction. >>25466919His works are boring. Everything he does has been done before, almost exactly the same but better. As is the case with most modern (woman-targeted) fiction. Men don't read, and women have shown they want to buy the same shit they've read before wearing a "modern sensibilities" hat. So that's the tradpub market and anyone that's hugely popular fits that mold.>>25467007Read other stuff. I try to mix heavier books with "slop" or generally entertainment-focused novels. Nothing wrong with watching Futurama between episodes of Sopranos.>>25467227Finish the whole foursome. Then we'll talk. Fuck the "rules" (they're only for newfags who don't know better)>>25467646Me too, anon. It really was good, even if it peaked at Conquest. But at least we'll always have it.
>>25466978Equal Rites was kino.
>>25467646It was sick. There was a fun Hulk thread on /v/ a few days back where we talked about how shitty World War Hulk ended up since Marvel wouldn't let Hulk be cool.
>>25467640>you can only spend so many words describing so much of Miller's backstory leading up to this point, how much more do you need to know?>the shortcut is to give well-known examples, please do thatI'm not giving examples because thats just not how writing works to me. For one I wouldn't give an example of a well integrated backstory because I know other examples where you can do the same without a backstory. Also the problem isnt what they did, its how much time they wasted trying to do anything at all, because it dispelled the facade and exposed the character as more shallow than the reader needed to believe.>we don't need to know Miller's entire life story in detail to know thatDoesn't matter that you can draw a conclusion through intuition, infact I acknowledged it probably leans one way, and one way is simple and uninteresting for the reasons I gave.
>>25467660>that's the pointYes how many times do I have to acknowledge that it is the point to preempt "thats the point!" responses? Yes hes a purposely retarded simple character, lucky for him hes got 6 books to be better.>I like him>I think the unspoken irony about Miller accusing Holden of brain-dead idealismThe classic noir detective who seems like he doesn't care about anything, but actually cares a lot. Like the modern anime antihero or just Sasuke and all his copies.>it was a B-list show full of B-list actors that got glazedDawes actor is pretty top tier in almost everything, I just didnt agree with the show that Dawes required that much attention
Got show Naomi was such an unlikable cunt bitch
>>25467685>I'm not giving exampleshuge red flag; be it in academia, corporate or day-to-day life, examples are always given so that you can prove that 1) you're not demanding an impossible ideal, and 2) you are informed enough to make a sound judgement>Usain Bolt is a pussy, man should be able to run 100 metres in 5 seconds easily, no I will not give examples>I know other examples where you can do the same without a backstorysuch as?>>25467701what did you like about book Naomi?
>>25466794>Banned AuthorsOP is a faggotTalk to me about why I should read Attanasio or Lafferty or Mark Lawrence because I haven't heard of those three
>>25467710Mark Lawrence genuinely sucks, don't know anything about the other two so can't say
>>25467270Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
>>25466859and third of the magazine would be ads
>>25466890Tanith Lee's Birthgrave or Cook's Darkwar. Sabriel is great but it's so anime inspired I don't think it counts as branching out much.
>>25467709I don't have the time right now to explain my reasoning for rejecting examples. Maybe another day.
>>25466890>Anyone know of any books/series featuring a female witch protagonist that are NOT historical fiction?I always wonder if people follow up on and read what they get for specific recommendations. You see it more on Reddit where people regularly make "oh, I want a fantasy story that fits X, Y and Z" and then seemingly just add this highly specific thing to a list they'll never actually read.
>>25467758don't bother, there's nothing you can say that will be more convincing than principles laid down and practised by centuries (if not millennia) of rational discourse
>>25467646Thanos Imperative was a solid ender. It was all down hill for Quill afterwards though. God I hate Space Andy.>>25467680I rather liked Planet Hulk too.
>>25467646for me it's the entire X-men arc from M-day through Second Coming
>>25466806Literally who the fuck are these people?
>>25467270Any shitty amateur fanfiction written on AO3 or FF.net
>>25467768I am not trying to convince you. If you appeal to norms without argument then there was no point to any engagement from you in the first place. You're retarded and not self aware of that fact, and I will not waste time arguing with somebody who will rationalize every and any attempt to not have to be justified in anything they say because they can make an intuitive appeal with no critical thinking required. Do not respond to me again retard.
>>25467849Welcome, it's your first day!
Yoo wtf John Crowley died the other day and no one said anything are we serious? The Deep, Engine Summer, Little Big. Some of the best fiction of the last 50 years. Pour one out.
>>25467906/sffg/ has fallen. You're only allowed to discuss books and authors that are approved by the one or two resident schizophrenic retards.
>>25467927Where there's breath there's hope, anon.
>>25466794I thought that was a black woman on my '50s magazine cover. gave me a fright.
>>25466919Joe got mind-raped by feminism after his first trilogy.
FUCK it is good
>>25467994but shitpost, kruppe. DID.
I just finished Neuromancer and I thought it was pretty bad.>never get time to digest a location before moving on to the next one>most plot development occurs in the first and last 20%, middle is largely pointless>unclear what is going on a lot of the time>characters are introduced and then disappear>virtually no character development, we find out Molly is a former prostitute when Case finds her in the brothel where she worked, unclear why she returned to a brothel she no longer works at>in the penultimate scene, all hope is lost but fortunately the bad guys are stupid and accidentally attack each other, allowing Case to gain the upper hand>Riviera character exists just to be edgy, switch sides for no reason, and enable the above>token rastaI understand why the terminology and some themes were influential but it sucks as a story.
>>25468069>never get time to digest a locationsince you clearly skim-read it would have been wasted on you anyway
>>25468076Cope
>>25468080lolwhat's there to cope about? I'm not Gibson. my daily bread doesn't depend on you reading it. you're only cheating yourself out of a good read.and that's my real revenge on you
>>25468083>durr I'm not Gibson I don't le care I just replied for no reasonThis is the cope:>it's not that the descriptions are poor, or characters change location for no apparent reason, it's just that you didn't read it properly>no I don't have an answer for your other 7 criticismsIf Gibson wanted me to spend more time on each scene he should have fixed the pacing, plot and character development issues that I identified. And you will have to learn to hide your asspain better.
>>25467086Ok, I get the screenshot spam with a one liner, but in the other posts you linked he's actually discussing a book. Is that not why we are in this general? T9 discuss SFF books?He could learn to use the ENTER button before adding onto an already lengthy paragraph.
>>25467667>His works are boringYeah, I tried to force myself to keep reading in the hope that it would get better, but I couldn't take it anymore and just dropped it.>>25467993Damn, good thing I dropped First Law before getting invested.
>>25466806...and fuck you :)
>>25466973welcome to /ssfg/if you want to talk about books that aren't super popular maybe try a stealth thread on some other board
>>25466890Traci Harding's first series has some protagonist witchiness, but it veers randomly from fantasy to historical fantasy to scifi to fucking atlantis so ymmvMarion Zimmer Bradley, unless you count king arthur as historicalEqual Rites, Lords and Ladies from Discworld as others have saidtragically underrepresented niche
>>25467790>Planet HulkWas good. WWH was shit.
Gideon
>>25468195I hate dykes
>>25466996I wish we had site-wide IDs so I could auto hide this faggot's posts. He offers nothing to the thread with his so-called progress reports.
>>25468195Femslop
>>25468195>lesbian necromancersoh ok
>>25468140When he discusses the same book every day for a month, complaining about how much he hates it, but refusing to drop it, you'll hate him too.
>>25467849>Literally who the fuck are these people?Yev is a tripfag on /sffg/ known for his reviews of books which certain anons dislike due to the reviews being of poor quality. He is part of the goodreads group.Baynefag is a schizo known for shilling a bad self published amazon book series called the Sword of Bayne. He is a newfag ashamed of his newfag status and is obessed with calling everybody else newfags. He hates people discussing popular authors. He is trying to ban certain authors from being discussed on this general (see the ban list in OP)The goodreads group are an insular clique of fags on the /sffg/ goodreads group who occasionally hop in here to defend one of their fellow goodreads fags, usually Yev.Youreviewsareshitfag is an anon who only posts in here to tell Yev his reviews are shit. He got butthurt that Yev badly reviewed one of his favorite novels (a Fritz Leiber or Dunsany book).Antiyoureviewsareshitfag is an anon who posts in here to call out youreviewsashitfag and to defend Yev. He may actually be Baynefag.Pagespammer is new poster in /sffg/, an underage ESL who is dedicated to posting mobile screenshots of pages of books he is reading and critiquing every single page of said book. Never finishes novels. Is obnoxious. Bakkerfag is a anon who has been posting for on /sffg/ for a while about R Scott Bakker and who hates Sanderson. Baynefag tries to pretend pagespammer is one of his aliases
>>25468240Baynefag sounds like such a fucking loser
>>25468240Intriguing, gonna ask GPT to write a novel based on these characters.
>>25468195I love yuri
>>25468240>ashamed of his newfag status and is obessed with calling everybody else newfagsOhhhh, it's that guy.>AntiyoureviewsareshitfagHe's such an annoying faggot. "p-please report that guy I don't like. please"
>>25468240A BAYNEFAG FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>25468240I can't keep up with this shit, man.
>>25467849See >>25467655
>>25467273>When the female strippers were only ever described as horrifying I was perturbed>perturbedReally now.>but now he outright says Carl is being left in the dust by the likes of Donut and Li NaLi Na is out.Carl and Donut have been playing catch-up with each other since the beginning. Donut's new super-duper war-crime spell is overpowered shit but at least she's still a glass cannon.That being said, Carl shouldn't be the strongest crawler anyway (neither should Donut).>The mechanic for the cars is a girlboss cuntShe's a goblin.>the car is a girlboss cuntThe car..? Oh, the fucking shrink AI. She's not a "girlboss", she's just a cunt. Do you just call "girlbosses" all females that don't grovel in front of the MCs?>Sister Ines girlbossing with the two male prisoners subservientShe was literally mind-raping them into submission. It was a toxoplasmosis joke, anon.>male prisonersThey were the prison guards. She was the prisoner. Are you a speed-reader, perchance?>Donut just gave Prepotente a lecture about not making a sex slave.That was pretty bad.
>>25468324>>Donut just gave Prepotente a lecture about not making a sex slave.>That was pretty bad.seemed like a pretty on-the-nose callout of all the RR slop (and indeed animes/mangas and similar) that does exactly that to me. like, what's the most banal thing you could do to an animal/boss monster? make them a sexy woman who wants to fuck you. I don't think pointing out that doing this every time is pretty cringe is necessarily gay.although, me personally, I would of course have made it into a sexy woman regardless of whether it's cringe or not.I mean. why wouldn't you?
>>25468335And then Carl ended the book with a potential sex slave, if he wanted one.
>>25468335>I don't think pointing out that doing this every time is pretty cringe is necessarily gay.Propotence is a goat who wanted his goat gf to be like him (actually sentient).He's not some sweaty nerd looking for a sex doll. Donut was being a cunt.>>25468336>potential sex slaveYou'd fuck picrel, you degenerate?
>>25468338That's why I said potential. It's one-sided on her end.
>>25468338>You'd fuck picrel, you degenerate?I dunno. Has Carl gotten lucky at all, since the collapse? Better than nothing, right?
>>25468338 (Me)>PropotencePrepotente*The fuck.
>>25468240We are Charlie Bayne.
>>25468339>It's one-sided on her end.I think that will be a running joke in book 9, yeah.
>>25468345He should heckin' subvert the joke by having Carl fall genuinely in love with her, somehow. And then he could non-subvert our expectations that he will feel bad about this, and have Carl refuse to take advantage of her. And then he could have yet another inane interpersonal tragedy that ends in yet more tragedy. Man, this almost sounds like something he would do, now that I'm typing it out. I'm calling it now: If he does this then he *is* gay.
>>25468345Most certainly. I will say that as far as unexpected resolutions go, that is up there for being an Unexpected Resolution(TM).
Why did Michael Moorcock dislike Dune? It's basically the same genre of sci-fi as what he, J.G. Ballard and Norman Spinrad were writing at the time. Is it because Frank was an American? Also I feel like the comparisons with Dune to LoTR are just because those are the only two fantasy normies people have read. They don't have much in common aside from a shared Wagner's Ring influence.
>>25467642thank you, is it a good entry point for someone who knows nothing about 40k?
>>25468324>>25468335>>Donut just gave Prepotente a lecture about not making a sex slave.>That was pretty bad.I'm guessing the point of that exchange is Carl and Donut made an arguably bad call and they'll have to face some comeuppance for it in the next book. Because in the grand scheme of things they all do a lot worse. The only real argument they had against it is they can't afford to have Pony waste time supporting a level 1 crawler with a blood bar on endgame levels, which makes him the party's bitch.
>>25468250He's one of the worst in this general along with pagespammer and bakkerfag
>>25468240>a schizo>He is a newfag ashamed of his newfag statushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
>>25468452>and they'll have to face some comeuppance for it in the next bookAlready happened by the end of book 8 with the pet biscuit mix-up. Had Pony used his enhanced biscuit, this shit wouldn't have happened.>can't afford to have Pony waste time supporting a level 1 crawler with a blood bar on endgame levels, which makes him the party's bitchAs if Pony, the fucking GOAT, wouldn't be able to carry her and then some. baka my head
>>25468440Most the 40K books assume that you have at least a basic understanding of the core concepts of the setting. Such as the size and nature of the imperium (galactic, fractured, and technologically backwards), that aliens exist and are all assholes, the imperial creed (they worship the emprah), the nature of chaos (ideas and emotions become real in the other-world know as the "warp" and sometimes penetrate into realspace to fuck shit up), etc. If you don't know any of these things, you will probably be slightly confused, but most the books are also small enough in scope that it shouldn't matter. You may not know how the warp works, but you can figure out from context that e.g., a "psyker" is basically a dark sci-fi wizard who does magic.
>>25466809No.You forced me to screenshot myself. I hope you're happy.
>>25467642>Hammer's SlammersI'm a Northworld man myself.
>>25468473>Already happened by the end of book 8Pony didn't even get a chance to react to it.
>>25468477Cool, thanks again. I bought Rogue Trader at heavy discount a few weeks ago and figured Eisenhorn would be a good accompaniment while I play it and learn the lore
>>25468490Maybe Pony will fuck the bug.
>>25468500I mean, someone has to fuck it.
garbage shit thread i shan't be participating for a while
>>25468593heh. fag.
>>25468486>BAENAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>25466794why are those authors banned?
>>25468748Because op is a fag. Just talk about whatever you want. It can't be worse than Scolopussy.
Based reffies
>>25468748Because we attracted a new shitposter over the past few weeks who is doing his best to sow discord in the thread.
>>25468240How much of this is ignorance and how much of it is malice? By which I mean, how aware are you of your inaccuracies and how intentional were they?
Absolutely dreadful, not sure why Garner is so highly regarded by other writers
>>25468755If you know about Scolopussy then you should know how bad things could really get. Let's discuss the Night Angel series with a pivotal plot point revolving around a female side character having Vaginismus, that disorder where the vagina is too tight to penetrate and fuck.
McCarthy has regressed.
>>25468774Why are you pretending Baynefag (who is obsessed with making sure people don't talk about popular authors) is new?
>>25468483not any more incoherent than a GRRM book
>>25467906Someone said something and got like two replies. Impressive how he kept writing even after being diagnosed with that whatever disease he had.
>>25467714I wanna know this but why
>>25467007Do you have any tips for someone who’s just now starting BOTNS? I know the narrator is unreliable, and the author is Catholic, and I might need a dictionary for all his archaic prose. Is that all I need to know?
>>25468406Both LotR and Dune were the primary inspiration for Wheel of Time. I think boomers just really like LotR and Dune.
>>25468406>Why did Michael Moorcock dislike Dune?He's an anarchist, so it's not hard to understand why an anarchist would hate the direction Dune's plot goes...
>>25468240>He is a newfag>>25468867>Why are you pretending Baynefag is new?Who will play Baynefag in the biopic?
>>25468927In all of Lawrence's books that I've tried they all suffer from the same problems; stories that lack substance, and uncompelling characters. Stuff definitely happens and there's people doing things, but none of it feels interesting or like it matters.
>>25468951Just read it fag. It's not Shakespeare. You either get it or you don't.
>>25466877Who would you have preferred?
>>25468867Because he is a newfag. (I only say this to trigger him because his crashouts are funny).
greetings
Fuck off
Niven is never gonna return to the ringworld or Louis Wu is he? Who the FUCK cares about a terror attack on a future Las Vegas? That's right... NO ONE you pervvy old fuck.
>>25469106Isn't Niven like 90 years old?... he's too busy getting his diapers changed to write anything coherent
>>25469106the biggest slaughter shooting in the US already occurred in vegas
>>25469119NO, he's 88. You FUCK.
>>25469106The Fleet of Worlds series was the Ringworld conclusion and none of it took place on the ringworld. It's OVER. The ringworld is GONE.Get over it. It warped to a part of the universe where no one will never, never, never ever find it. It's GONE.
>>25469119Hasn't stopped John Norman
Ringworldfags need to become Wheelfags>The Wheel is a 2 light year diameter circle around the black hole at the center of the Galaxy, has the mass of several thousand stars, rotates at very near lightspeed and because of relativistic distance distortion, the Wheel actually has a circumference of thirty million light years>The Wheel withstands an explosion with the power of a hundred supernovas every 10,000 years and has an inertialess system that protects it from impacts by instantly accelerating anything that hits it to the same velocity>The Wheel has three decks, so far apart that the Solar System could fit between them, with the surface area of a hundred billion Earths>The Decks move at different subjective times, so that for one year on Deck One, 5000 years on Deck Two, and 500,000 on Deck Three, 3 million years pass in the external universe>On Deck Two, for every day that passes, 17 months pass externally>On Deck One, for every day that passes, 14,000 years pass externally
>>25468956Wheel of time has none of the philosophical stuff of Dune doe
>>25469194NOT THAT KIND OF WHEEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>25469207bruh...what?
>>25469143my paternal grandparents are both above 90, and my grandmother's as sharp now as she was when I was old enough to be conscious of her. granddad's a bit slower but not by huge amounts.lots of people are sharp well past their 90s and all the way up to right before they die
>>25469166Why would you build a structure where subjective time is slower than the outside universe and then settle there permanently? To speedrun getting raped by ayyyyys?
>>25469232I was just making a dumb funpost. Feel free to ignore me. :)>>25469242The Xeelee made it as a sort of species habitarium. They were the most advanced baryonic species in their universe but they were getting fucked by dark matter Photino birds/fish. In one universe, they made a Ring that allowed passage to alternate changing universes. In another, there was the Wheel around the Milky Way's black hole.
>>25469249>The Xeelee made it as a sort of species habitarium.Oh, so it's a prison basically. That you could never escape from because you move at 1/5000000th of the speed outside of it or something. Harsh. But you'd never really wanna look inside of that thing, right? Since it's moving at 1/5000000th normal speed, so nothing ever happens. And you'd never go inside since then you'd be stuck too. I guess you'd look inside every millions years or something, just to be safe.
>>25469249>your species gets captured by the retail pet shop aliens>they laugh at you being oppressed by women in slow motion until the heat death of the universe
>>25469261>prisonPhotino Fish were accelerating every star in the galaxy to death so it was their method of preservation. I can't speak for what would have happened at universe death or whatever the fuck you expect.Be aware that multiple/parallel universes are canon.
>>25466794>>Banned Authors:kek
I haven't read her books since before Port of Shadows and figured I'd start re-reading before Lies Weeping comes out. How much of the expanded content is worthwhile? Seems like a lot of these stories aren't even written by Cook. Are they decent or is it just official fanfic to stuff magazines?
For all my points about Miller, at the very least he isnt retarded. But now im even more skeptical. Im remembering another scifi series I read not long ago, where I had to tolerate the convenient unchecked stupidity of a main character contrivantly driving a shit plot forward as if everything revolved around him. And I remember while reading that book, how because of how desperate I was to not believe that the book was shit. I would blatantly tolerate stupidity, because I thought the fact that another character acknowledged that stupidity was enough to believe that rendered the action tolerable. Admittedly in this case, Miller isnt merely acknowledging, he is challenging the retarded main character, but the point is that I am losing confidence because of what this song and dance reminds me of.
>>25469323
>>25469334christ those gigaperms stankbitch smells like she lives in a dry cleaner
>>25469334Ah, NOES3. The movie that ruined this franchise forever.I can't get the image of that fucking nerd dressed as a wizard out of my head. It's been decades. pls send help.
>Its literally fucking skyrim, but Alduin is a girl this timeBravo
>>25469430>but Alduin is a girl this timeDo they fuck? (why else would you make him a girl?)
>>25467994Surprised it's this far down thread before being mentioned
>>25467994Banned author.
>>25469327Just save yourself some time and drop the book. It's not for you.
>>25466809Just read Galaxy's Edge
so it IS pagespammer reading the expanseI eagerly await your inevitable DNF.
the cuck must fall
>>25467927You sound weak and insecure and afraid to voice yourself so you're limited by your own fear, which is funny to me.
>>25469430I enjoyed it honestly
>>25469459There are multiple people reading the Expanse right now.
>>25468083basedlowiq trash utterly devastated by their own incapabilities
>>25469493Everyone makes mistakes. Don't feel too bad about liking it.
I'm genuinely averse to talking about authors I like here because everyone in this thread seems to read such terrible crap I kind of don't want their kind in my neighborhood.
>>25469502k
>>25469106RINGWORLD IS UNSTABLE. Unless you fuck a giantess.
>>25469502coded talk for "im less open minded"
>>25469477Pagebitch, pls
>>25469636As is proper
>*nothing happens for 800 pages*
If there's anything that would actually stop me continuing the Expanse it would be this single page. Not anything Holden or Miller said. It would be this single page. This is a level of bad that is close to and unique to how Terra Ignota handles any dilemmas. Which means that it is a waste of my time actually explain the problem, since anybody reading this would be too stupid, and more importantly too obnoxious to respond in anyway that isn't triggering. My faith was wavering. But its just about nearly killed. There is one single thing. One thing alone holding me on. And of all things possible, its a reddit comment I read while doing research on this series, that was defending one of the sequels that the reddit thread rated Iowly because (paraphrasing) while characters in past books would talk about religion and philosophy why knowing or understanding nothing about it, that one sequel, (not sure exactly which one but it was early enough to be book 2 or 3) actually addressed it more properly and thoroughly.The question here is. How much longer do I tolerate stupid, characters with all the power and moral authority to make genuinely retarded, like genuinely retarded if you can think with your head for longer than 10 seconds and follow the implications the train of thought displayed here leads to, thats the thing thats making me angry too, I am posting this here, while knowing that none of you are capable of following that train of thought, no other context is needed here, everything is given in the screenshot, and it would still be easy to point out the problem. And something about that fact, the idea that this is probably written this way, and tolerated because the average reader doesn't care enough to hear something more interesting, with a little bit more thought. The problem isnt being "wrong". When Danlo in The Broken God was "wrong" it wasnt a travesty to read, because Old Father would engage in a discussion that explored the limits of Danlo's thinking enough, that we werent just left with the narrowness and one dimensionality of Danlo's thought alone.Sure maybe you want to say "Not all books can be written that specific way where its just two character sitting in the same room talking about ideas based on their experience" (even though thats literally what these two characters are doing in Leviathan Wakes, and what every character in every book ever does, but yes I get it, thats not the "focus" the plot must "go on!" it cant stop, unless its for lingering in the mind of the most simple people's ever with no pushback from anybody intelligent because the main characters cannot be undermined lest by their nakama) part of the exact and explicit reason I dont give examples is because I acknowledge this fact, and also dont want to bother with the retard who thinks hes intelligent for being capable of pointing out that "two things are different".Whatever. I'm just frustrated. I don't know if I can let one redditor pull me to a 2nd book.
>>25469788Jesus Christ SHUT UP YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. GO AWAY!
>>25469802Our love's a gonna grow oowa oowa
>>25469802Cute how Bakkerfag talks about Reddit like he didn't come from there back in 2016.
>>25469788Can't wait for you to DNF your life.
>>25469788https://voca.ro/1hqqjCG7Yyt0
>>25469833KEK'D AND CHECKED
>>25469827kek based other human life hater
>>25469788>anybody reading this would be too stupid, and more importantly too obnoxious to respond>none of you are capable of following that train of thought>the retard who thinks hes intelligent for being capable of pointing out that "two things are different"."Why am I being attacked?" asks man continually attacking everyone
>>25469849You guys attacked me first, but I do not question why I get attacked, I question the insanity some of you brazenly display. I am fine being called stupid and ignorant. Encouraging somebodys death, not simply in a casual way, but with specific suggestions of ways to die, and a persistence, is something else entirely.
>>25469858You attacked us first by subjecting us to your retardation, by refusing to stop, and by going out of your way to dodge filters by people who don't want to see it.
>>25469788https://voca.ro/1oSNHJPUqi6y
>>25469788https://voca.ro/1fUwi7fHhgrm
>>25469862>>25469876
he got y'all mindbroken you have to admit
>>25469896Still not fooling anybody.
imagine getting filtered by the fucking expanse of all seriesi'd just quit reading at that point
his posts are very easy to ignore, no idea why you keep giving him attention
>>25469912Mere existence cannot be tolerated.
>>25469862>>25469876Holy fucking shit ahahahahaaaa
Do I even want to know what's in those recordings?
>>25469926discord circlejerk level slop
>>25469926No, best not. It'll most likely bruise your fragile little ego.
>>25469929>said a literal fucking REDDITOR
>>25469896He's ruined the entire general, yes.
>>25469930>once again he thinks every post he doesn't like is pagespammer
>>25469935damn one guy?
>>25469935You guys are such insufferable queers.>omg he posted a long cringe review>i'd better shut off the computer
Imagine actually defending pagebitch
need some more western isekai slopi've read daniel black, civ ceo, most william rand stuffharem is fine too i just skip the boring parts
>>25469958>those namesare you looking for actual isekai or smut
>>25469961sorry isekai would be betterI like the romance in the smut but the actual smut is boringthe first books are always good enoughbut then they have to spend an increasing number of pages servicing the harem so no one gets left outit's always the smaei've read so many you have no idea
>>25469958>>>/lit/wng
>>25469971I got burned by authors disappearing
https://youtu.be/MC-4GDBDa8A?is=x72MTw3NhF19Ci1WActual IRL footage of pagespammer on the way to shit up yet another /lit/ science fiction and fantasy general.
>>25469966i don't read much isekai and i don't know if you'd be into some older YA but you might like everworld that i recently rec'd to another anon? >>25432212 the books are pretty short. GL finding them physically if that's your thing, best to download them
>>25469982oh yeah I have piles of books when I wanna sit down seriousI just need a quick digital hit off my readeri'll take a look thanks
>>25469966>I like the romance in the smut but the actual smut is boringI have a similar experience with smut. the romance parts can be very cute, but the smut always feels absurd (not that I've read a lot, but the little I have read). all I've read is harem stuff read by women, though. I suspect women can't write harem. they write the man like a woman (e.g., changing preferences between partners, instead of imposing his upon all of them). so it's pretty lame. they also get boring pretty fast, as the man turns into a sort of mindless golden retriever-style creature, that just happily does what its "supposed" to do all of the time (even protecting the women against non-sexual threats when they are being retarded and wrong and their arguments make absolutely no sense; he will still take the woman's side against e.g., her brother, in situations where a man 100% would be on the brother's side). but I digress.
>>25469990im the samepalette cleansers do wonders
>>25470009the stuff I mentioned is all written by menI actually prefer the sff romance I've read by women but none of it was haremunless it has a native american male interest that's a red flag
>>25469858The jew cries out as he strikes
I'm not jewish though, my mom is indian.
>>25470050How do I unsubscribe from your blog?
>>25469958Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe.
>>25470058It's clearly a larp larp shahur post.
Most scifi/fantasy books have sad/angry protagonists. Are there any with cheerful protagonists?
>>25470009>they write the man like a woman (e.g., changing preferences between partners, instead of imposing his upon all of them). so it's pretty lame. they also get boring pretty fast, as the man turns into a sort of mindless golden retriever-style creature, that just happily does what its "supposed" to do all of the time (even protecting the women against non-sexual threats when they are being retarded and wrong and their arguments make absolutely no sense; he will still take the woman's side against e.g., her brother, in situations where a man 100% would be on the brother's side).exactly rightthat's the "female gaze" they deny having
I'm scared to even finish Leviathan Wakes to be honest now. That page already tells me I can only expect by the time Naomi POV chapters are introduced, for things to get worse.
>>25469323I don't get what you're saying, anon. Lies Weeping basically has an entire new cast and what remains of the old are Lady, Soulcatcher and Croaker with some characters wh survived the books of the south. Oddly enough Port of Shadows is more relevant than anything prior to it.
>>25469788So what happened to you leaving?
>>25466890Andre Norton's Witch World books might have some of what you're looking for, though her magic is usually pretty psychic not necessarily casting fireballs. In a similar vein, her Moon Magic series has a witch as a central character, though she's a co-protagonist with a spaceman.
>>25470138Leaving what?
>>25470147Your mortal coil
>>25470150lol a palpable hit
Pagelamer getting embarrassed on all sides tonight.
is lyonnaise actaully good?its been shilled a lot to me and people always list it at the top of the pat vance list...i liked/was hooked on planet of adventure right away though, and so far this seems very boring and unimaginative in comparison.im not reading generesloppa for the b movie poetry.
Pagebitch sure has been quiet since those vocaroo shots were fired.
>>25470136Banned author.
>>25470236No such thing.
>>25470233If you have not already read Dunsany, The Worm Ororborous, and Voyage to Arcturus, then I see no reason to stoop to reading Lyonesse. It's solidly second-tier in the early-20th century pseudo-classics
>>25470235What kind of voice should I do for his inevitable next post? I'm thinking Smeagle/Gollum or I can try (and fail horribly at) a Chris Chan impression.
>>25470236as long as the same autist keeps making threads
I tried to fix this thread by commandeering baker duties from lazy sack of shit that did it before, as well as adding the banned list. I believe my actions were just, though perhaps too little and too late.
>>25470244I read and liked Dunsany and I would agree with you that that is an exception where its actually worth reading for the writing itself.As sloppa as it sounds though Planet of Adventure had cool/new ideas and I am a novelty seeking individual. After reading The Narrow Land which was really unique, I went there.Lyonnaise however seems like something I would have read at 13, a plotfag book borrowing all its ideas from things which I've already encountered.Though, I'm not arrogant enough to disregard a vast portion of the crowd calling it his best.
They is four things that’ll destroy sffgMoneyWomen Whiskey andDelaney
>>25469862>>25469876This is funny but also sad, because you had to actually read his post :-(
>>25470445Thank you for acknowledging my suffering anon. I did it for (You)
>>25470124>Most scifi/fantasy books have sad/angry protagonistsI feel like most of them are neutral, not miserable.>cheerfulNow that's harder to come by.
>>25470244>in the early-20th century pseudo-classicsEarly 20th century? Lyonesse is from the 1980s.
Early 21st Century Classics, 2001-2033: Twilight of the Human and Dawn of the AI Author Mid 21st Century Classics, 2034-2066: The Adolescent AI Creative BoomLate 21st Century Classics, 2066-2100: The Golden Age of AI writing for AI
>>25469935You guys are so bored you pick on one guy who actually talks about sffg literature instead of complaining like the rest of you about nothing or everything.You're actively making this general worse with all your complaints instead of doing something productive and I say this as someone who only visits once a week and sees the same senseless "talk".
>>25470398Ahhh, the boozin'... the womyn...
>>25470502Shut up, spambitch.
>Gene Wolfe>R.A. Lafferty>John Crowley>Lord Dunsany>Clark Ashton Smith>Edward Karl Wanker>Cormac McCarthy>Mervyn Peake>E.R. Eddison >R. Scott Bakker>Frank Herbert
>Gene Wolfe>R.A. Lafferty>John Crowley>Lord Dunsany>Clark Ashton Smith>Edward Karl Wanker>Cormac McCarthy>Mervyn Peake>E.R. Eddison>R. Scott Bakker>Frank Herbert
>>25470476so as long the stories are good I don't really care where they come from. if AI replaces modern day writers so be it.
>>25470529It doesn't matter because the only authors that should ever be read are pre-21st century. Readable fiction ended over a quarter century ago. Arguably it end ended a half century ago. AI changes nothing.
>>25469788Post more please, it's been too quiet here in the last few days.
I've been reading the Culture series for little more than a year now, and I've hit my end with this book. And all because of faults which have been there since "Use of Weapons" or "Excession"Speaking for "Matter" specifically. You have 2-3 plots going on, only two of which are interesting. The one with more advanced aliens talking and scheming between each other. And the other, less entertaining one, the fuckboy prince, would-be king, trying to escape his assassins. The third plot, the princess who's now a Culture spy, is nothing one hasn't read before in the Culture. "Wow everyone is so healthy!""Wow everything is so pretty!"Wow these Minds sure are weird!"For that matter Banks writes female main character badly. They're all confident in their skills, somewhat detached from wider society and always somehow beautiful in their ways. Modern "girlbosses," just a bit less obnoxious about it. They aren't bad on a single-case basis, but so many of them? As for Banks' prose. It's doable. It's clearly understandable and gets the job done without confusing me too much. But I find my eyes slowly sliding by each word if I read his books for too long, as if they all string together too smoothly, words blending in with one another.Maybe I'll read Hyperion Cantos now
>>25470565Is that a joke? The last thread was almost 500 posts and that after being cut short. It's been very active recently.
>>25470566>CultureI tried. Didn't really enjoy. Tried Phlebas one. Are others any good?
>>25470502Just ignore them, they feed off of your (You)s.
Why is every female character in Rothfuss' books a literal prostitute?
>>25470233The actual story is crap, but he plays a lot with imagery and geography to make it fun. It's kind of the inverse of Planet of Adventure. Maybe you don't have the requisite life experience or command of English; idk.
>>25470589That's not true. Some of them have sex purely for pleasure.
>>25470569He means its been boring. Last thread was like 100 pages of random garbage complaining about women on goodreads and women authors.
>>25470589You know why
>>25470566>Culture>there is no God (we killed Him), but there are these godlike Communist aliens and they're all really cool and shit
>>25470675>I read a book and people... weren't starving or spending their existence broke and homeless???>I CAN'T FUCKING HANDLE THIS
I read a book and people... weren't starving or spending their existence broke and homeless???I CAN'T FUCKING HANDLE THIS
https://youtu.be/42oAadh6kQM?si=RIHz1drUWg3I6Evwbros... our guys hated it...
>>25470932Literally who is this nigger
>>25470937redlettermedia for books
>The Demon Star, by Jesse AragonThis book was just okay, and not worth the hype it's getting. Spoilers within.The main characters are all pretty stupid and ruled by their emotions. One is a lame telepath priest who's always drunk because he feels guilty about turning his demon-worshipping student in, who was executed afterwards. The other is a woman who was "harvested" by the evil gods a decade before, but she escaped, got possessed by a demon that heals any injury she gets, then gave birth to a son that she abandoned and feels guilty about.The story gets going when the boy's father (who is a total piece of shit) realizes that "gods that regularly demand human sacrifices" are bad, actually, and sends the his son into the desert to find an ultra-powerful demon to kill the bad gods. The woman goes after him, the son gets possessed, and things escalate from there.There are no good people in the book. The mother uses her demon-possessed son as political leverage among le resistance, manipulates the priest into going along, and turns a blind eye to massacres. The priest commits massacres. The evil gods (who are aliens btw) are cartoonishly evil, as is the human church.They main characters commit atrocity after atrocity, killing tens of thousands of their own people by the end of the story, justifying it with the logic that anything is worth it to increase the chances of winning. There were ways to avoid doing that, but with lower odds of success, so atrocity it was.The threesome was also annoying.It's hard to tell if the book was trying to say "defeating evil with evil isn't worth it", since they just replaced one evil god with another. That would redeem it somewhat, but it's not clear if this was intentional or just another part of the author's story.3/5, forgettable.
>>25470578I tried player of games. and it's amazing. I will finish them all. this series or author is not generally known for prose but it's fine for me. Concepts in general are pretty cool and interesting. Set in anarcho communist post scarcity money less genderless society (perfect utopia). Now what?
>>25470932>our guysWhomst?
>>25470941>story summary that's nothing more than spoilers
>>25470960There wasn't much else to the book, sadly.
>>25470578I'd say Player of Games, the book goes more into detail on a genuinely alien civilisation and there's less stupid side-plots to detract from the main story.There's also Inversions which takes place entirely in a medieval setting albeit with a Culture character who does use Culture technology from time-to-time. It has only two alternating plots and they're not bad either. To not spoil too much one's a doomed romance plot and the other is an assassination.>>25470675>perfect anarchist society>ruled by infallible, ineffable communist super AI'sHold on a sec, so you're telling me this: anarcho communist post-scarcity money-less genderfull society is ONLY possible when effectively ruled by superhuman intellects ergo it isn't possible for a human (only) society?What could Iain M. Banks, famed anarchist author, possibly have meant by this?
>>25470941Do you dislike grimdark?>There are no good people in the book.>The priest commits massacre>They main characters commit atrocity after atrocity, killing tens of thousands of their own people by the end of the stoIsn't that meant to be the appeal? Seems like the book went against your personal values and that was the biggest problem for you.
>>25470974Apparently I don't. I didn't like the first law much either, for what it's worth.
>>25470983I assume you prefer clearly defined good and bad sides then. That's more difficult to find in contemporary books.
>>25470941your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
Will there ever again be a hugo winner that isn't gay, black or feminist?
>>25471048Only when those that now vote to decide the winners are no longer gay, black or feminist.
>>25471129Inshallah, an Arab Muslim man wins.
>>25470502He doesn't talk about the stories themselves he just analyzes the writing and plot structure of each individual page like a psychopath. He's not discussing science fiction/fantasy and you're a fucking loser for defending him.
>>25468195>"Lesbian necromancers explore a haunted gothic palace in space!"What happened to traditional adventuring fantasy books?
>>25471286That was before you were born.
>>25468195>skeletons!
>>25471306I blame women
>>25468195This "accolade" at the bottom reads like a passive-aggressive take-down of the quality of the book, lol. Like it was made to SOUND like high praise but was in actuality meant as a low blow by Charles Stross.
>>25471314I blame market trends caused by cultural forces.
>>25469166>WheelfagsAs in... The Wheel of Time? What are actually referring to here?
>>25471286It's very much alive and well.
>>25469166I don't want to read fantasyslop swords n' sorcery shit.
>>25471344Central banks aren't cultural forces.
>>25471362>soulless cover art
>>25471372Fixed
>>25471261You're retarded
uh oh, melty
>>25471381>t.pagebitch
>>25471381Everyone here hates you.
>>25471375Much better
>>25471391There's someone out there who owns picrel.
>>25471362>Felicia Day accolade Yeah, I'm never reading this.
>>25471411NEEEEIGH
>>25471411What about an accolade-free version? They're out there.
>>25471424It's too late.
>>25471427Felicia Day is depressing to me. A genuinely attractive redhead that is just the epitome of insufferable is such a loss.
>>25471441>genuinely attractivelolbesides she's a literal sugar baby. she married some geriatric dude AND had his kid
>The start of a rollicking, unputdownable LitRPG series that Matt Dinniman calls “pure gold” in which everyone on Earth is forced to take part in a worldwide survival competition—everyone, including Meghan Moretti and her three lovably chaotic kids.>Picture this: You’re home with your three kids, racing to get soccer uniforms washed ahead of practice when the power shuts off. Your cell phone goes dead. And a voice coming from nowhere and everywhere all at once booms:>Congratulations! Your planet has been selected!>And just like that, Earth becomes the newest unwilling participant in a high-stakes intergalactic game show competition. What that means becomes terrifyingly clear as monsters drop onto the front lawn, an interface appears in your field of vision, and you—and your nine- and six-year-old sons and three-year-old daughter—are each offered a choice of supernatural abilities.>Part of you wants to laugh. Your husband’s away on business, coming home late tonight. Well, he was. But you clamp down on your rising panic. It doesn’t matter how much harder it will be. You’re a mom. Your kids need you; it’s up to you to keep them safe. You can do this.>Then, in quick succession, you discover: 1) your toddler has unilaterally decided her supernatural power should be for her beloved turtle stuffie to come alive. 2) every person on Earth will have to fight, no matter their age. You're going to have to teach your kids to stand on their own—and yourself to let them.>This is Meghan Moretti’s morning, and where Erin Ampersand’s rollicking, unputdownable LitRPG adventure series, Apocalypse Parenting, begins.if Felicity Day and Matt Dinniman praise something, you know its good
>>25471466You're gay
I've just come back from a stop at Barnes & Noble, while out on some errands, and the fantasy section there is a wasteland. I hardly recognize any of the authors in the section, now. I sifted through new names to find something that wasn't either litrpg or romantasy and gave up after about 30 minutes, finding it too depressing to continue. At this point the only reason I'd ever set foot back in a B&N is if I needed to update my print copy of Lord of the Rings for something with terrible cover artwork. For now, the likes of Tolkien, Martin, Jordan, Hobb, and even Tad Williams still cling to the section, but for how much longer?
>>25471483video games were a mistake
>>25471466HA, FAG!
>>25471362If you were in the DCC dungeon what race would you pick and what would your strategy to survive be?
>>25471481Weird-ass bird.
>>25471529You're legitimately gay. You take it up the ass on the daily. My condolences.
>>25471476>the MC is a literal soccer momAnd man, talk about a generic as fuck premise. I'm sure 40+ women will love it for being "relatable", though.
>>25471481>>25471489WOULD hate-fuck but only because I'm obsessed with redheads.
Dinniman blurbs just about everything these days that's even marginally related to litrpg and traditionally published.
>>25471532Alright then, you leave me no choice. I'm gonna fuck your oneitis.See, later I’m gonna take little Felicia back to my place, show her my library, ebook collection, maybe even my Goodreads profile. You think I'll stop there? I’m gonna give Felicia the night of her life. Just because you want her, and I get what you want.
>>25471564>OneitisAnon... I hate her. I just said that I admit that she's at least or used to be, physically attractive.
>>25471569Just get the reference, will ya? I worked hard on this for like, 30 good seconds.
>>25471550I'm not going to say he's the Kenny G of fantasy because that's Abercrombie, but he's like Dave Matthews or Smashmouth. The lowest risk token goy they could stand to promote at the time. When the dude's not writing obituaries for the mockingbird he's painting wall art for Target.
>>25471574No. You will NEVER have sex and you will NEVER recieve my recognition for your SHIT post.
>>25471582Well I've had sex before, I'll have you know. And SOMEONE will SURELY appreciate my shitpost. Any minute now.
>>25471595Gay sex isn't real sex.
>>25471599What makes a man a faggot then, hmmm?
>>25471605You would know, Shitdick McCumass
thread is pretty garbage /pol/ tier whining btw and these same retards will swear that pagespammer doesn't talk about books because "he talks about the writing and plot structure!! not the books! not like me when I am whining for validation about another female author and another popular author while saying nothing meaningful about their actual writing that couldn't be translated to a /v/ post complaining about woke" the problem isn't woke or women, it's when somebody decides that their bias takes precedent over writing a sensible and complex story, and so everything about the story twists and turns to validate that bias. But you don't need to screech about women and woke to make that criticism.
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>>25471611Shut up, spambitch.
will bakkerfag ever stop bitching and moaning?: a nancy drew novel
>>25471616kek
>>25471616JEJ
>>25468951hard mode: read the book half a dozen times and piece together the story Wolfe isn't telling youeasy mode: listen to a companion podcast
Pagetranner been AWFULLY quiet lately.
>>25471745I am deciding what to read next before I finish the disappointment that was Leviathan Wakes.
>>25471749Might I suggest instead... Committing suicide? Read Footfall or Ringworld next.
>>25471749Don't listen to the hateful masses. I support your efforts, if not your selection of books.
>>25471778>>25471778>>25471778
>>25471749>>25471777Same. Bitch.
>>25470453The pseudo-early 20th century.
>>25470256>a plotfag bookNo.
>>25470969anarchy is the trojan horse for communism; both are totalitarian governments but often disguised by being at different scales
>>25470578I read Phlebas and truly hated it. The (classical) liberal anti-culture. The erasure of the peculiar and the particular in favor of rationalist unihomo. It was so disgusting I tried to read it as a critique, but in the end I was convinced the author believed in his mission.
>>25470136I just finished Bleak Seasons. While it kept pace fine, I guess, the whole jumping back and forth thing wasn't great. Also I prefer having Croaker or Lady as the narrator. Is it going to be Murgen from now on? He's a bit of a drag.
