>What I want is a good, strong monarchy with a tasteful and decent king who has some knowledge of theology and geometry and to cultivate a Rich Inner Life.I always laugh when I think about this line, but is it spoofing anyone or anything in particular?
>>25467314Too far gone conservatives who fall in love with the idealism of feudalism.
>>25467314Ross Douthat
>>25467314Me, specifically.
>>25467314Toole was making fun of one of his professors and himself
>>25467330"Democracy" is a compromise of what people want, a benevolent dictatorship
>>25467330Filtered>>25467314There was one particular fat medievalist professor that inspired Ignatius but I don't think it was as directed as youre suggesting.
>>25467415People do not want a dictator. Brainwashed sheep shrug their shoulder at the idea. Only the truly degenerate pine for that leash. Laugh at them.
>>25467415Democracy and liberal institutions are a concession the rulers made to the ruled so they wouldn't chimp out and kill them like in 1789 and 1642 before it.
>>25467314I still haven't finished this book, is it worth it?
>>25467430>in 1789 and 1642those weren't benevolent dictatorships
>>25467422Le Goff? Naw.>Filtered.Not at all. I understand the lazy sheep mindset mixed with the nostalgia-propaganda of shit like King Arthur and all that. It was deception then as now.
>>25467442What do you mean, that's neither here nor there
>>25467443Ignatius is not a conservative, he was off in his own fantasy world and repeatedly talks shit about WASPs and ruralites. There's a abstract psychological similarity of course and it's crazy how he anticipated some of the funnier tradcath stuff but this was written in the sixties in Louisiana: Conservative meant the klan, and the extreme form of that sort of conservativism does not bend towards monarchy or scholastic medievalism. There's none of that in him.
>>25467430No. It was elite overproduction in both cases.>>25467314You find the quote funny because you are an American who was conditioned since kindergarten that in monarchies the king can only be a retard tyrant who rapes virgins and feeds his subjects to crocodiles for fun, and that the idea of being ruled by a wise and exceptional man is Hitler.
>>25467466I was raised traditional Catholic and so indirectly learned that monarchy was Right and Good (it isn't) when I was 12-16 and I think it's funny too.
>>25467462I know. There ought not be any monarchists in the US, but so many years of Disney sanctification has helped some people idealize the Kings pact all over again. Or if not Disney, I don't exactly know. It isn't some innate instinct to want a daddy figure to rule over you for life so you can pretend to be a child.
>>25467498>It isn't some innate instinct to want a daddy figure to rule over you for life so you can pretend to be a child.BZZZZZZZZZT wrong, especially after a century of mass immigration from outside the anglosphere FILTERED STATUS: TRIPLE-CONFIRMED
>>25467462go fuck yourself you piece of protestant white trash. imagine thinking WASP culture is conservative in the grand scheme of things, lmao. Protestantism is the precursor to all of the progressive anti-hierarchical crap faggots like you bitch about on /pol/.
>>25467468That's even worse. You were brainwashed in high school.
>>25467500NTA but please either go back to /pol/ or stop conducting yourself like a retard.
>>25467500>He's been conditioned to need a daddy to take chargeAre you in the US? If so it just confirms what I've always known about your sort. The Tory bitches who hated the revolution are your ideological ancestors. Your type never belonged in this country in the first place.
>>25467506Seems he rose above the brainwashing. Did you miss the parenthetical?
>>25467509Whatever conditioning you get from your parents is instantly superseded by the one you get from wider society.
>>25467422>FilteredKek you felt called out
>>25467507Humiliating pretentioids with homosexual behaviour will continue until idea quality improves >>25467508My ancestors fought in the revolution, and you can't read
>>25467504In the grand scheme of things you are a fat autist porn addict so I'm not sure why you want me to think on that scale.
>>25467424What if your jaw gets ripped off?
>>25467462>repeatedly talks shit about WASPs and ruralitesOkay I hate him.
Protestantism lead toPuritanism, which lead toClassical Liberalism, which lead toSocialismit's as shrimple as that.
>>25467530Just read the book, it's great. It's a comedy and you're supposed to laugh at his retarded antics.
>>25467531Socialism led* toMy gf getting a septum piercing whichMade me hard, and fixated on that style soI guess I'm Anglican now
>>25467518A homosexual would have better taste.
>>25467535>is degenerate and Anglicanyep, that checks out.
>>25467537In what? Women?
>>25467538No I'm Catholic but your post convinced me that my fetish predestined me to be a protestant so I'm going to convert tomorrow
>>25467540In humiliation of course
>>25467542yaas, queen. you're a freethinker who don't need no pope and chain of being.
>>25467314Took me so long to finish this book because it had me crying with laughter on almost every page. I love when he clears off his desk by sweeping everything onto the floor. The cop Mancuso is hysterical, too.
>>25467547The scene where he gets his rocks off to the memory of his dog hit me like a truck and I actually had to go use my emergency asthma inhaler
>>25467543That's sort of the point>>25467546*Yes*YourTypical Catholic IQ lmfao
>>25467557>protestant>lacks an understanding of humor, satire, and cultural referencestypical.
>>25467553I forgot about that one. I'll have to give it another read because it will probably get me good all over again.
>>25467468Democracy has proven itself not only to be gay and retarded, but destructive as well. Why wouldn't a monarchy be preferable?
>>25467509I don't think settling into being a good goy is rising above anything.
>>25467570What really kills me is that democracy has proven to be just as much of a crapshoot as monarchy when it comes to giving us good rulers. The whole appeal of democracy in the first place is that you avoid the bad and retarded kings by letting the people choose their rulers. But if the people are bad and retarded too, what kind of leaders do you think they'll choose? Look at what the average member of the House of Representatives is like. Look at the average Senator. These people are either stupid, evil, or stupid AND evil. If we just rolled the dice every time our king died and his son took the throne, would we really be worse off relative to what we've come to get?
>>25467314Whoa, he is like, literally me (this is a bad thing)
>>25467314>What I want is a good, strong monarchy with a tasteful and decent king who has some knowledge of theology and geometry and to cultivate a Rich Inner Life.What's wrong with this? I bet you're the sort of person who wants a president who "trusts the science" and "listens to the experts."
>>25467412Everybody worth a shit see a little Ignatius in himself
>>25467424>People do not want a dictatori do
>>25467586Even back when it didn't use to be like that republics weren't in any significant way better off than monarchies.
>>25467330Monarchy =/= Feudalism
>>25467314>knowledge of...geometryis probably a reference to the (supposed) sign at Plato's Academy
>>25467775which is itself a reference to hermeticism. Start with the Egyptians.
>>25467794One of these days I'm going to encounter one of these supposed "occultists" or "hermeticists" in real life, and when I do I'm going to ask them to cast a fucking spell. Do a little hocus pocus. Let's see if that shit really works.
>>25467827beware of what you wish for.
Toole studied a lot of Spanish literature during his college, including picaresque stuff. Much like Don Quixote spoofs a lot of romantic novels about chivalry, I think Toole carried a lot of his academic studies into the novel while being eccentric and larger-than-life enough to force himself into it also.>>25467412Bob Byrne wasn't his professor, just a friend who was also a professor like JKT. Byrne's physical appearance and some of his eccentricities (e.g., refusing to learn to drive a car) likely influenced the character of Ignatius somewhat, but Byrne himself (and others) have basically said that Ignatius was autobiographical for Toole in a lot of ways, not least the jobs he held etc.
>>25467424Why not though? When shit hit the fan, you at least knew who's head you have to chop. Nowadays politicians are untouchable, they can waste billions of taxpayers money and it's nothing burger
>>25467314I hate Ignatius so much.
>>25467424>People do not want a dictatorSpeak for yourself, faggot. A good dictatorship can fix any country.
>>25468619That's another problem of democracy. Instead of fixing things we have endless debates that amount to nothing tangible. Demagoguery and ad hominems these politicians are flinging at each other are embarrassing.
>>25467314The Philosopher King to keep the peasants in line and introduce a little culture to their drab little lives
>>25467586Our representatives and senators are actually very competent at their real job, which is begging donors for money and helping each other organize more sophisticated begging operations. The work of governing the country is done by a diffuse army of bureaucrats and specialized law firms.
>>25468612t. santa battaglia
>>25467518>He betrays his ancestorsI have lineage along one branch to Ethan Allen.You're an ugly troll making a case for feudalism. Just bugger off. >>25467579>Why yes I did miss the parenthetical, and I will proceed to pretend it isn't there.Trolls.>>25467603March into the sea and hold your breath down there till I get you. >>25467756I don't even want what the UK has. No one should be wiping these people's asses for them much less delivering underage boys. >>25468581Incredibly shortsighted. Monarchs were twice as untouchable. Holy law made them rulers for life, whereas politicians are known to be just lawyers fooling around with term limits. What makes this system look untouchable is the praetorian guard CIA security apparatus. >>25468619There aren't any good one now or ever. Your brain is made of mush>>25468624THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.
>>25469252The American "system" didn't even last 250 years before turning into slop. If the quality of a system of government is how long-lived it is, the American system has failed. Social democracy has failed, too, since that didn't even last a HUNDRED years before degenerating.Monarchies and aristocratic republics lasted centuries, millennia, and it took an event as overwhelming as World War 1 to finally finish them off. If the US system can't even last a tenth as long, what good is it?
>>25469252>March into the sea and hold your breath down there till I get you.not worth the words, xis
>>25469448Such is the nature of nations. I can see three fundamental changes to this "USA" giving us four very different places. Founders age, Industrialists age, New Deal era, and now the Zionist age.The Founders age ended at about the Civil War, the Industrialists in 1929 and the Zionists killed the social-democracy taking shape with the New Deal.Monarchism and empires lasting is not a good thing, much less accurate. Much ink has been spilled bemoaning their rise and fall. They always falls. Rome went through many iterations and were benefitted by being surrounded by rebellious "primitives" who never seemed to want to replace them. This age of liberalism takes far too much from the previous system. Which is exactly why the rich shits want to return to it. You and they romanticize it. Your minds have been rotted with romance novels for boys. >25470037>He didn't get itHead of rocks
>>25467314Plato's Republic, which you should read>>25467466This
>>25470870People need romance. People like romance. If people get no romance in their lives they'll alter their lives, and their world, to get it.And that's the great flaw of modern American democracy. What is American democracy? It's a fat black woman yelling at black and brown people about how bad white people are. THAT is American democracy. You may have an idealized version of it in mind but my description of it is what it actually is.There's no romance here, only ugliness, corruption, and shittiness. Hence the desire to return to an earlier mode. There WAS romance back then, real romance, and don't let anyone tell you there wasn't.
>>25472275>People need romance.And I romanticize forgotten periods and places that did not have monarchs mucking about extorting people, and turning the children's heads to mush.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tDTDAyXNmU>American democracy is fat black womenDo you need to be reminded of the slave trade again? You absolutely do. (book picturedfor you) You also need reminding that this is not a democracy. This is a Zionist run oligarchy, you twat. There's no romance her for the cattle. And living in the depths of feudalism there was no romance but the mythologizing of a divine king, (no better than zionist oligarchs) and his endless cycles of war. Maggoty mush brains are all that comes form such a society>There's no romance here, only ugliness, corruption, and shittiness. Hence the desire to return to an earlier ugliness, corruption, and shittiness.
>>25472275Monarchy as a system derived its legitimacy from providing stability and military organization in primitive economic conditions, not "romance." It fell out of favor as a system of government because it was surpassed by more efficient governing systems that did not rely on devolving government functions, such as raising and supporting military units, to local rentiers. If you want a strongman who promises stability and safety using modern governing tools and framed in terms that resonate with modern people, look to Lee Kuan Yew. He didn't do romance or pageantry, he did a cult of technocratic competence. That's what the modern equivalent to monarchy is.
>>25472299>>25472350You people clearly are not cut out for a board for fiction and poetry, maybe /g/ or /sci/ are more your speed.
>>25467424yet people want people who can get shit done without all the red tape. so you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
>>25472367On the contrary. I'm culturally ambidextrous >>25472464Are we talking about the lazy people who want everything done for them? Current system breeds them, old system insisted on that sort. I want to switch to a system where people get this "shit" done themselves and stop being lazy about it. Yeah, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
>>25467523Concession accepted
>>25469252Not gonna read your post
>>25473461If any of it addressed a post of yours, you could just read that one. Otherwise why should I give a crap what you do?
>>25467553For me it’s when he gets erect from the touch of the niggers lifting him.
