Read my fiction it's peak.

Fuck ritual posters

>>25478034
It's not ai I think. They posted an early version of it in a previous thread,

>>25478205
...and that is?

>>25478217
tourist newfag
nta but he did post early drafts
it has anime titty gloss but how do you think those models were trained? go be an annoying witchunter demanding SOURCE?? somewhere else
or at least search it yourself

>Started randomly getting writing job offers from retarded kids who think I'd do it for them for free just because I do it for me for free
This is the real mark of making it, bros

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Mother of Learning is literally just Time Braid, but worse.

It's slower (Zorian takes four chapters to die in the invasion and wake up in his bed; Sakura does it in the first sentence).

It's flatter (Zorian approaches everything like an autistic robot, Sakura made me cry with her love for Hinata).

It's more boring (Time Braid fight scenes have a great combination of hitting, clones, and illusions; Mother of Learning is just people slinging spells around).

It's less horny (do I even need to argue this?)

The only reason Mother of Learning is more popular is because normies can't stand the thought of reading fanfiction. Luckily, the author of Time Braid went on to write original fiction he could sell; check out Fimbulwinter and Perilous Waif.

Prove me wrong, faggots (protip: you can't).

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5193644/1/Time-Braid

>>25478262
Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the jutsus, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole ninja faggotry and everything about the Naruto world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Naruto is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Naruto threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.

>>25478276
God I'm old.

>>25478262
Naruto sucks and fanfiction sucks so I'm not going to read it. I'm sure you're right though, mother in law is pretty boring to me.

>>25478262
>reddit spacing
>tranime fanfiction
I'm good, cuh

Should I just try to emulate actual novels or should I emulate my prose off of specific web/light novels? I'm getting away with my bad prose but I want to do better because I actually care about my story.

>>25478301
Emulate the novelization of your favorite game.

>>25478310
Vast majority of those are manga and not novels. Also the game I took the most inspiration from is from the 1990s and only had a Japanese release.

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>>25478321
Some manga started as light novels or web novels. Emulate those?

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>>25477976
>>25478034
>>25478105
Hello, not an AI cover. I’ve been commissioning this artist for years

>>25478329
None of the manga I like have light novel adaptations. Actually outside of Vinland Saga the latest manga I enjoyed is over 30 years old.

>>25478301
Just copy chandler or westlake, you want simple but good.

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>>25478301
Try copying Alexander Wales or Eliezer Yudkowsky. Those are the best web novelists around.

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>>25478378
Going to need more specifics.
>>25478382
I'll start reading some. I wish he had paperbacks so I could study more easily (I produce web novels because it's the most feasible way to get my story told not because I like reading on a screen) but it definitely seems good. I'm noticing a lot of stories don't care at all about being interpretive and are pretty direct on what the characters thoughts and feelings are.

>>25478482
He probably meant Raymond Chandler, a hardboiled-detective-slop author. I don't know who Westlake is but it's probably another one.

>>25478330
How does he still not have a xitter or pixiv or some other place he uploads to after being active so long?

>>25478382
Wales is autistic and it shows but at least he writes humans with emotion over his rationalist weirdfic
Yud writes alien robots that parrot a cringeworthy ideology, could not stand his work

>>25478510
He does have a Twitter I think, if you’d like to Commission him I can give you his email
Sharkxteeth@gmail.com

So there must be a good japanese webnovel or LN that is well-translated, right? Not straight MTL.

I read Instant Death completely, the whole thing. And it killed my braincells. So retarded, so repetitive.

The good genre novels seem to get shit translations. Like LoGH.

I don't want to read isekai slop any more. They really have strange attitudes to slavery and woman and pedophilia.

Any recommendations? Something intelligent.

>>25478533
Nah, I just wanted to see more of his art.

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>the chapters that get the most views are when it's focused on the male vampire
Can't say I'm not surprised.

>>25478542
>I read Instant Death completely, the whole thing. And it killed my braincells. So retarded, so repetitive.
Why would you do this to yourself?
>Something intelligent.
I have something you could try, but it's not Japanese.

>>25478615
link?? asking for a 'friend' (me).

>>25478533
NTA but I asked about the art originally and I might send him an email. I don't need anything as coomery but I do want my one female character to be cute and appealing and I like his style. Did he do the art for BUaBS?

>>25478697
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/131840/fangs-and-iron

>>25478706
More like fags and iron, amirite?

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>>25478737
>I would post more art of my characters here
>a person ITT who would start reporting and one-starring my stuff
I'm going to post art of my characters and I do not particularly care.

>>25478751
Hot.

I'm kinda sad The Years of the Apocalypse is not doing so good on Amazon.

Droped Timelooping Moronmagus. The joke got old.
Throne of Time and The 108 are going well , I like them so far.

>>25478771
what about Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess though?

>>25478774
Still reading it , yeah. Comfy.

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>>25478758
She is also part succubus.
Here is full cat.

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Alright this turned out way too edgy and gross, it was originally supposed to be absurd and funny, but I wrote it specifically for soliciting feedback on my writing and scene transitions especially so I'll post it anyway.

What can I improve here? Is anything being repeated too much? What do you like or hate about it?

I'm posting it here because I'm trying to get good at writing sf/fantasy stuff and pacing things for webnovel readers.

It's horrorish(?) cyberpunk. I was playing cyberpunk 2077 and the idea popped into my head.

>>25479029
Is the point of this just to make a non-straight woman suffer?

>>25479082
No, not at all. The original joke-idea (which failed completely) was the cannibal (who is mostly inspired by "fingers" the ripperdoc from cyberpunk, who I detest) is too horny to notice an extremely obvious seduction attempt and then gets killed by what she thinks is a naive idiot.

>>25479097
nta but I think it comes across like that partly because of the husband part at the end. If you had made her Janes partner and the guy is her friend/brother it wouldn't have as much. Also how did he even appear there? Cloak?
Also if you want to practice write an actual story instead of a joke one, just keep your best ideas for later.

>>25479165
Yeah you're right. I made him a husband to set up the threesome line which was supposed to be not-lilith being extremely petty towards the cannibal, and because "husband and wife" is absurd and thematically dissonant in a cyberpunk setting. Canonically (if that means anything for something this short, and because I recycled parts of these characters from something else) Jane is/was her ex but is braindead or something.

I am writing an actual story but it feels like my weakest area as a writer is connecting large scale and smaller scale things (stringing scenes into chapters into arcs) and making everything flow the way I want it to. And if I show anyone parts of my actual story before it's ready it'll fuck with my head and motivation. Hence a throwaway one. Thank you for the feedback and advice!

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>find interesting premise on RR
>it's by a tradpubbed author who won't shut up about it
>promises it won't be 100% torture porn and gore
>prose is decent, very contemporary tradpub but I'll give it a shot
>19 chapters in and the lede is totally buried, it's all kafka-esque bureaucratic horror and torture porn, and there have been multiple twists away from just getting to the point
>got tricked into staying up late reading 20k words looking for something to like

Maybe... Maybe I've been too hard on the sloppers.
I need to take a good hard look at my own writing. I get what my critics are saying now.

>>25479247
Book?
I'd like to see how a trad pub author handles a webnovel.

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greetings fellow Daoists

>>25479247
surf dracula syndrome, many such cases

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>>25479082
>Is the point of this just to make a non-straight woman suffer?
Because if so, based. Only thing that's missing is for FMC to call Harlequin a dyke before she leaves her to her fate.

i have a bunch of art of characters from a story that I'm not going to write anytime soon. I originally wrote some turboslop in highschool and was planning to rewrite it, even redesigned the characters and got art of them, but I gave up on it to pursue other ideas.

>>25479280
The Murder Fairy by Julia Richard.
I was hoping it would be good so I could feel good about reaching out for a shoutout swap early, but this is just not going to take off on Royal Road and I doubt she'll even finish posting it after she gets a few negative comments. She's put too much of herself into the story and that's going to make the sting even worse when people don't like it.

Warning if you've ever worked and hated a corpo bureaucracy job, the entire story up to where I read last night is torture porn aimed right at you.

>>25479505
>female author
>I was hoping it would be good
lmao

>>25479559
This

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>>25479502
You're about 4 years too late for that. Art stopped being meaningful when DALL-E 2 came out in 2022. Only words matter, at least for now (AI is not good enough to write like a top author, the way it is good enough to draw like a top artist).

>>25479568
i disagree

>>25479568
it can write just as good in the superficial style ways that Ai does images
AI cant do coherence and it doesnt have taste, that's the gap, and its the gap in art too

i think women can make good things because my mom made me and I'm good(at least I think so)

>>25479626
AI art is like mediocrity incarnate. I don't save mediocre art I see, I want to save good art, so the only use I have for it is niche characters next to no one draws porn of. Writing is even worse though because mediocre writing aside AI has no concept of continuity or memory and is fucking retarded.

>>25479626
>>25479681
Okay ludite. I've on many occasions have done test with 50/50 mixes of AI and human art. Discourse and argument always spill out with people adamant that human made paintings from the previous centuries are AI generated. They vote to prefer the artist they are convinced is human.

>>25479681
>AI has no concept of continuity.
skill issue, works for me just fine

The reason AI images get a pass more easily than AI writing is that visual art is more technical in nature, at least insofar as impressing normgroids is concerned.

>>25479693
Do it here in this thread instead of using anecdotes, pussy faggot

>>25479693
Paintings are 99% pretentious and outdated, I wasn't talking about that at all, why do you care about what people consider real """"art""""? I don't give a shit about that, I'm talking about what visually appeals to me, if AI art wasn't crap why are tasteless retards like you a small minority? The average person, me included, only cares about the end product, hell there's more online art piracy than ever with people ripping patreon and fanbox etc., so it's definitely not just a minority of butthurt artists qvetching about AI, you have to have 0 taste and/or brain damage to be happy with your slop.

>>25479697
Post me a fully AI generated novel that isn't some schizoid shit, faggot.

Can you stop bringing up AI because every time we get that annoying dickhead who goes on about how great it is but never actually does anything with his foolproof money making tool
I'm sure there's a /g/ thread that covers it fine

>>25479502
I've been having some success writing my web novels like light novels where they have pictures sprinkled in. I tried getting into comics for close to a decade until I realized that is too much effort for something that doesn't sell.

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>like 500 chapters behind on my RR follow list
>multiple volumes behind on my JNC LN TLs
>like 30 volumes behind on Spice & Wolf and Grimgar combined, not to mention other YP and SS published LNs
>well over 2000 books on my bookshelves, as yet unopened since I bought them years ago

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>>25479681
Modern AI art has been scientifically proven to be indistinguishable from human art, you fucking retard.
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-did-you-do-on-the-ai-art-turing

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>>25479766
Holy pseud alert

>>25479766
Refer to >>25479730 you subhuman drooling mongoloid.

Like who the fuck even keeps (conveniently tiny resolution) paintings on digital devices? Paintings are only good for wall decoration, which would look glossy and shit without being done using actual paint. God you're fucking stupid.

>>25479766
Even with the painting handpicked because it's blurry it's obviously not ai because it actually has a logical sense of depth and focus

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>>25479730
>Post me a fully AI generated novel that isn't some schizoid shit, faggot.
https://archive.is/Xby7q

>>25479801
>13 chapter picture book for toddlers

Woah.

>>25479801
he said FULLY AI, not FURRY AI.

>>25479801
>Eliezer Yudkowsky

>>25479846
>Eliezer Chudkowsky

>AI has fully destroyed programming as a concept (which required a certain amount of intelligence)
>AI is in the process of destroying pure mathematics (literally the peak of human intelligence and creativity resides here)
>AI can compete simultaneously with top-level experts in over 60% of fields
>in just 3 years
>but no, AI will not replace mid-to-decent-tier web novel space
You could live the rest of the 202x's covering your eyes to the truth, but the reality is that by 2030, you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button.

>>25479766
i bet if it was AI vs human images of frieren I'd do better since I actually care about anime girls and not painted landscapes

>>25479960
did you ever stop to think that I enjoy writing

>>25479964
In 2030, everyone will enjoy writing.

>>25479964
Most people that create entertainment pieces get their validation -- and therefore enjoyment -- from the interaction with their audience. It's cool that you enjoy writing. But by 2030, or sooner, probably, no one is going to read your shit when AI can pump stuff in a few minutes that is miles better than what you could have ever written. We'll see how many of those "enjoyers" really are left.

Use kobold AI for writing, writers. It will improve your writing power.

>>25479960
if it's so good why are you still here posting every fucking day?

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>>25479997
Big, if true? proof purrhaps?

>>25480003
https://rentry.co/pcx9bhxs

A MHA fanfiction.

>>25479960
unironically yes i really do think that
i also think it will never truly replace human visual artists in any field that isn't already a pile of generic sloppa

>>25479960
>made brainless busywork easier in certain fields
>destroyed

When is every company entrusting their security to AI again? In another two weeks? And what breakthrough did it do in math that calculators didn't?

>by 2030, you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button

Name one popular piece of media AI has produced in any medium of any genre.

AItroons are more delusional than communists.

The Mech Touch is so interesting because basically every decision the author makes is terrible, some of them catastrophically so but the initial hook is so strong you kinda get carried past them and don't realise it sucks.

>>25480042
I mean, AI sucks, but all the examples you give are stuff AI has already famously done though.
Are you same fagging and are planning to reply with a long list for MSM articles about how AI cracked an 80 year old math problem or about how the current NYT bestseller is suspected to be AI or something?

>>25480067
No, I just don't read about what AI has "famously" done, as it has done nothing I have been interested in so far. 80 year old math problem isn't saying anything to me, it could have just been obnoxiously long or contrived, not actually requiring any impressive logic skills. And how is a bestseller suspected to be AI, I thought even people who jerked AI off claimed that AI can always detect AI work? And again it has no context, NYT bestseller doesn't tell me shit, I'm not a burger. Last time I've heard the term NYT bestseller must have been in like a sitcom from 10+ years ago, most titles like that have lost all relevance or prestige, like the Hugos becoming a complete joke.

>>25479492
NO that was not the point

I'm surprised that you are identifying the character by her sexuality and not by the murder and psychopathy but I think I probably shouldn't be.

>>25480091
Anon... You're literally saying "I'm sticking my head in the sand"

>>25480091
ok boomer

>>25480094
I'm literally saying that posting supposed achievements like that with no context is fucking retarded, are you gonna provide even the briefest details about them or literally stick your head in the sand when asked to elaborate? If I were the one doing it I wouldn't be asking for details, because no news outlet I give a shit about talked about any of this.

>>25480096
>anyone but boomers caring about jewyork times
Oh the ironing.

>>25480109
>sitcom from 10+ years ago

>>25480098
Yep, he’s fishing to post links, exactly as I suspected. Fuck off or post about web novels, AI-shill anon.
Reluctant/Semi-Coersive Imperialist is still a pretty fun aura farming slop. But not having a plot or even a single villain who can stand up to the MC does hold it back from reaching any semblance of a hype moment. It’s still the only thing I have to look forward to, though. A shame really.

>>25480128
Yes, when I was a child was the last time I've heard someone mention the new york fucking times, because it's a boomer as fuck thing, you dumb idiot.

Also how much of a retarded boomer do you need to be to get baited by clickbait titles like "AI solves 80 year old math problem"? If you aren't questioning the meaning behind retarded clickbait when there's people with billions invested into fluffing up AI so their bubble doesn't burst of course you should be questioning every time some retard tries to sell it to you. My main hobbies like most people on this site are various forms of entertainment and we haven't seen an impact of AI at all on any of them yet, but you shills still keep parroting it's going to happen any day now. There's no way someone says "by 2030, you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button" without having invested his life savings into AI or being a paid shill. All we've got so far are AI clips of cats doing silly things on people's doorsteps. If programming and art is solved where's all the AI made video games? Any media board here will get you called a retard if you post AI generated anything, get the fuck out with your shilling until you have something to show for it you subhumans.

25480151
replaced luddite melty

>>25480135
I'm not asking you for links mongoloid, I asked you to elaborate in your own words which you're obviously several standard deviations too stupid for. Good job falling for the most basic corporate media shilling in the world.

>>25480154
Only thing getting replaced is your models with superior 2$ chink ones, enjoy starving on the street.

What are gu?

why are the aibros raiding the web novel thread

>>25480160
Common Meanings of "Gu"
Thai Language: "Goo" or "Gu" (กู) is an informal, vulgar first-person pronoun meaning "I" or "me", used strictly among very close friends or in rough slang.
Medical Abbreviation: Short for genitourinary, relating to the genital and urinary organs.
Japanese Fashion Retailer: A popular sister brand to Uniqlo, named as a pun on the Japanese word jiyū (自由), which means "freedom" or "liberty".
Korean Administrative Division: Gu (구) translates to a "district" or "ward" used in city local governments (like Seoul's districts).
Chinese Characters / History:
As a Chinese word (谷), it can mean "valley" or "grain".
It can refer to gu (觚), an ancient ritual bronze wine vessel from the Shang and Zhou dynasties.

AI sludge will simply choke itself out if they keep flooding sites with it. Oversupply = Massive decrease in demand.

What kind of webnovels does /wng/ read so I know if my own fits the criteria?

>>25480053
Elaborate? I haven't gotten around to it yet.

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>>25479960
>you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button.
Alexander Wales actually wrote a short about this four years ago
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41112099

>>25480177
Crow and the Rabbit (just finished after a binge)
How the Stars Turned Red (stuck in hiatus hell, and author 'spooter and all his writing data is borked and awaiting recovery
The Asgar Chronicle (stuck in hiatus hell because author pants'd the hell out of it and has no idea how to continue the story)
CHAINED CITY (plan on reading soon)
The Crystalline Initiative (plan on reading soon)
honorable mention since it was a serial novel in its day: just finished part 3 book 1 of War and Peace, dope asf.

>>25480203
>'spooter and all his writing data is borked and awaiting recovery
How the fuck is this still happening in 2026. Motherfuckers still don't use backups?

>>25480151
ok boomer

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>>25480209
google docs is really annoying to use for big writing projects so people keep stuff locally out of ease
>>25480198
Big 2 are mech building novel but it quickly becomes about magic bullshit and mech building novel but it does a comically long war arc with no mech building.
There's very little building mechs to be used outside of a controlled environment until it's hundreds of chapters in and all in on magic bullshit

>>25480177
nowhere stars
stranger's fate
was reading infinite realm but it does appear to be never-ending...

>>25480177
Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess
1% Lifesteal
Memoirs of Your Local Small-time Villainess
The Archmage Coefficient (OP Archmage/ Mage Academy/ LITRPG/ Hidden Genius)
Super Soldier in Another World
Manifest Fantasy

>>25480177
Gifted

>>25479960
>but the reality is that by 2030, you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button.
This will completely destroy whatever subcultures around reading still exist by then. It'll take a while. Friction is a necessary component of fun experiences and individuation. Either people will abandon the goon matrix or will become permanently addicted to it in infancy and we won't even retain language. The future is grim. I really hope I'm wrong.

>>25480275
Actually, I do think there's a "golden path" of measure 0 in futurespace where we bounce between the fuzzy boundaries of either excess and keep developing as authentically human people in ways we can't even imagine. That will be a miracle if it comes to pass, by definition.

>>25480209
Tbh my only backups are on USB drives sitting next to my pc

As I'm coming up on 30k words for the project I actually care about I'm starting to get nervous. What cloud services do you guys use for backups

>>25480280
https://www.rsync.net

>>25480177
LitRPG, progression, action, adventure, fantasy, western cultivation, male or female MC but nothing that isn't heteronormative, monster girl evolution, capitalism stuff but not kingdom building, light romance.

I don't like horror and grimdark. Timeloop doesn't interest me at all.

>>25480280
I remote into my family's computers and store encrypted files on their harddrives without permission.

Also text is very lightweight you can just email an encrypted file to someone and ask them not to delete it. You can also save the attachment as a draft in basically any web-based email service and it'll stick around forever.

>>25480289
>I don't like horror and grimdark. Timeloop doesn't interest me at all.
Patrician taste

>>25480292
>You can also save the attachment as a draft in basically any web-based email service and it'll stick around forever.
this anon is thinking with portals

>>25480299
terrorists figured out at some point they could just share a yahoo email login and write drafts they don't send and send messages that way. Because no email was sent, NSA mass data collection didn't pick it up.

Obviously eventually they got caught but there are clever solutions everywhere.

A five pack of cheap USB drives works great too. You can keep one in the car, one in your closet, one in your parent's closet, ask a sibling to hold onto one, etc. Just gotta remember to check up on them regularly and update (by swapping in a new flash drive).

>36 hours since last CHAINED CITY update
It's over. They drowned.

>>25480280
use git with multiple remotes

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How's my Cover?

>>25480472
I think it's cool, but honestly speaking, I think I'd scroll past it. It looks more like a trad cover than a web novel cover.

>>25480177
I really need to make myself some kind of tier list.
>Would recommend to anyone tier
Beware of Chicken, Mother of Learning, The Perfect Run, Magical Girl Gunslinger, Sky Pride
>Guilty pleasure / I love it, but it is objectively average tier
ShipCore, Sigma 16, Bookbound Bunny, The Bee Dungeon, Chrysalis, Terminate the Other World, The Shattered Earth (Magical Girl Crystal Genocide/Rending Nightmare), Witches are Different Overseas
>Acceptable tier
A Budding Scientist in a Fantasy World, All The Skills, Maniac's Mayhem, Emberscale Alchemist, The Magpie and The Archmage, How I Was Accidentally Summoned in a Cult as the Demon Princess, Gun Girl from Another World, Dungeon of Knowledge, Stray Cat Strut, Portal to Nova Roma,
Emilia Transmigrated, Dungeon Crawler Carl, Salvos, I'm the Evil Lord of an Intergalactic Empire!, Bobiverse, Roots and Steel, Dinosaur Dungeon, Factory of The Gods,

>Meh tier
Apocalypse Tamer, Industrial Strength Magic, Jake's Magical Market, Final Core,

>Dropped later tier
Syl, Azarinth Healer, Tree of Aeons, Saintess Summons Skeletons, Father of Constructs, The Fallen World, Villainess Level 99

>Dropped early
Null Spawn, Grimoires and Gunsmoke, Mark of the Fool, Magical Engineering, Ends of Magic, Amelia Level Zero Hero, Hive Minds Give Good Hugs, He Who Fights with Monsters , Heretical Fishing, Wandering Inn, Reborn as a Demonic Tree, Noobtown, Rise of Kers, Release that Witch

>>25480289
>Timeloop doesn't interest me at all.
Any particular reason? I assume you are ignoring MoL and TPR?

>>25480472
you want my opinion? Shrink down the two guys. Redraw the guy with his back turned so his silhouette is better. Put a lot of negative space above their heads, then stick your title there.

>>25480472
Can't see anything in the thumbnail or even read the title.

>>25480002
>>25480042
Because it isn't yet so good. But it will be good. In 2024, most programmers said "it will never replace actual programming, because it doesn't understand the context." In 2025, mathematicians were saying "it will never produce an original idea, it will at most link obscure theorems together."

Nowadays, there is simply no point to actually writing down code; it's not perfect, but prompting the AI in a few words to write an entire workflow and to iterate until it's polished is more efficient than you will ever be.
And AI has been cracking old theorems for quite a few months now, with some of the best mathematicians in the world admitting that it produced novel ideas and that "there is something to learn."
>>25480098
Google Jacobian conjecture, recent progress in the Riemann Hypothesis, or Erdos problems. But since you think math is "calculators," I have little hope of anything going through your head.

>>25480151
>My main hobbies like most people on this site are various forms of entertainment and we haven't seen an impact of AI at all on any of them yet
AI may not be writing for entertainers yet, but you do know entertainers Google things, right? To research the stuff they're talking about. Have you Googled anything in the past year? Or did you think the immediate response at the top was just the top result?
Not to mention that many writers will (or won't) admit to using AI for research directly, or double checking their work.
>If programming and art is solved where's all the AI made video games?
Every software that has been updated in the past 2 years has very likely seen programmers use AI. You are seeing more software everywhere, more software updates, more new platforms. The number of books and novels being posted has increased. If you play any game with recent updates, then you have in some way benefited from AI. If you have read many recent novels, you probably have read something where the artist used AI in some way to affect the book.

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>>25480177
REVEREND INSANITY
PEAK novel, the most popular webnovel.
Best mc, best story and plot, peak magic system.

>>25480546
>What would Spectral Soul do?
>Kill!
peak

>>25480177
Finished :
The Years of Apocalypse
Practical Guide to Evil

Ongoing top tier :
Pale Lights
100 Reigns

Ongoing :
Player 0.4
The 108
The Throne of Time
Clara Casewell : Attorney to the Villaines
Apocalypse Reborn
Arcane Juggernaut

And DCC if you count it as webnovel. Yes , I like timeloop stories.

>>25480550
Oh , also from oldies I have liked Blue Core and Release That Witch and also also I try to keep up with The Wandering Inn.

>>25480550
Listen to nothing this spamming schizo says

>>25480592
I haven't posted chapter review for weeks , bro

>>25480546
>What would Popeye do?
>Eat his spinach!
Peak

out of curiosity, if I gave a bit character the name of Donny, the Big Golden Kikel, said only once, would that get me in trouble, or would the israelis running RR allow it because they're liberal?

>all these supposed webnovel enjoyers haven't read Worm yet, the granddaddy of western webnovels
Are you all just chinkshit readers?

>>25480702
who are you quoting?

>>25480702
Read it , hated it.

>>25480702
Why should I read it? I've seen people recommend it, but reading synopsis doesn't make me that interested.

>>25480702
I read enough to know I don't like it.
Not really interested in trauma and I hate the crisis to crisis model of storytelling. Fundamentally misunderstands what a superhero story is

>>25480702
>femc
Into the trash

>>25480740
>Fundamentally misunderstands what a superhero story is
wrong

>>25480745
Most Fmc in this genre are just written like guys desu.
The last one I read that at least tried to make you believe the main character was a woman was the calamitous bob

>>25480714
The people showing their tier lists of read webnovels in the thread above
>>25480718
>>25480740
>>25480745
Shit tastes
>>25480721
Just give it a try, it's pretty good

>>25480702
I dislike capeshit and the way that guy writes does not appeal to me.

>>25480755
>Most Fmc in this genre are just written like guys
Then why not just write male mc?
The second issue is that the story and character dynamics change completely with a mc of the opposite gender.
I won't be reading femc stories.

Female mc stories are usually better desu senpai

>>25480755
Bob's like the most obvious male writer ever though because he makes all of his leads lesbians who are never defiled by dick that isn't his

Have any of the successful authors talked about how much time they actually spend writing?
I'm assuming some of the megabucks ones who still only do 2 chapters a week are working jobs or parenting or something.

>>25480778
That's the only correct way to write a femc

>>25480778
I haven't read his other works, but in BOB, the girl is with a guy for about 80% of the story and right up to the end, and he doesn't really come across as a selfinsert. I don't know, maybe I just didn't notice.

>>25480666
just change it to Circle so it's less obvious

>>25480784
nta but other than that guy you could swap Viv to male and nothing would change. She's your typical sarcastic soldier that's loyal to their friends type character that are common as fuck in paperbacks. She only stands out here because so many web novel characters are calculating robots.

>>25480801
>nta but other than that guy you could swap Viv to male and nothing would change
I mean, unless your story specifically revolve around the sex of your characters, than just normal.
I mention bob because I remember her caring a lot about shaving her legs, having her periods, having pretty robes , reading yaoi ,being threatened with sexual slavery etc, stuff that aren't that present in Mmc stories generally

>>25480784
>the girl is with a guy for about 80% of the story
This is probably even worse than just a single femc story.

>>25480809
>I mention bob because I remember her caring a lot about shaving her legs, having her periods
Why tf would anyone write something like this?

>>25480816
>He doesn't write about his characters morning wood every time he wakes up

>>25480779
Ellake implied he only writes ten hours a week. You'd have to be an idiot to rest on your laurels though, ai is going to displace almost all intellectual work in the next few years. I'm working 50-60 hours a week on different shit trying to scrape some capital together.

>>25480592
it's obviously not the spammer, the spammer is incapable of saying Clara Casewell without naming the author

What would Fang Yuan do in this situation?

>>25480901
Use ying yang gu on anon and give him his first female orgasm

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReverendInsanity/comments/j7lxpo/how_is_this_novel_for_lgbt_representation/
>One of the main characters becomes a woman at one point in the story. Another main character who is a man actually turns out to be a woman in man's clothing.

>>25480907
We've known since 2019 that RIspammer was a faggot.

My guy gets killed then reincarnated back into a different person in the same world (but a very different region) with a different subspecies and class. Does this count as isekai? I like litrpg but I can't get myself to understand the appeal of isekai and where the boundaries are.

>>25480972
>Borrowed from Japanese 異世界 (isekai, literally “different world”).

>>25480972
It's close enough. I'm sure some faggot will want to but it into a specific subcategory but who cares?

>>25480972
no but close enough
you can call it regression if you make him go a bit to the past and take advantage of some foreknowledge at the start (And then never mention regression again)

>>25480965
RI does not discriminate against minorities. Not sure why it has become a bad thing all of a sudden.

>>25480976
>>25480983
>>25480996
Ty for the feedback. I'll probably put the tag on and just disclaim it in the blurb. I'm not going to advertise this or anything, I'm just writing a chapter here and there for fun.

>>25481002
>Ty for the feedback, but I'll just do what I was already planning on doing.
no problem, dude

>>25481005
I was planning on not using it at all.

>>25480999
what's that got to do with being a faggot? is everyone on this board sub-80 iq?

How would Ferene resolve this issue?

>>25481038
She'd run really fast

>>25480793
fair. I'll call it Kirkel, or at worst Sirkel, so it's still very, very on the nose, with just that slight bit of plausible deniability.

>>25481063
yeah call it the kirkel the kids will love that one

>>25480972
Isekai is when the character is as new to the world as the reader.
That's the basic rule.

>>25481021
You responded to RIspammer, who does suffer from an IQ in the retard range (<100).

>>25481098
He's here as average reader representation.

>>25480298
I DO have patrician taste, but everyone has their own tastes and what they find fascinating. It's okay. If everyone was like me art museums would be sold out every day and entry would cost a thousand dollars.

>>25480504
I said no interest because that's precisely what I mean. I know about MoL and TPR. I've meant to read them just for research purposes, to understand what readers like (I did this with romantasy a bit). But the idea of retreading the same situations over and over with slight changes and diverging outcomes isn't interesting to me. In fact I find it boring exactly until there's a cost to the loop and consequences become permanent, like in Re:Zero. And I don't even like Re:Zero that much, because I find it hard to watch due to all the suffering and psychological horror of dying over and over, especially abruptly.

The other timeloop I somewhat liked, and liked how it was handled, was Homura's power in Madoka Magica (only the original TV anime, I never watched the movies). It was revealed as a cause of the bigger problems in the show, was not used as the solution, and was compressed to just one episode and then put to rest. All the boring parts were compressed and all the interest parts (to me) were fleshed out.

I think Charlotte (another TV anime) had a small time loop segment as well but I found that it undercut a lot of the tension in the story by letting the MC escape consequences, and then it was kind of a dangling plot hole from then on (among many others). But that was the nature of the show, and in the end thematically it worked.

Okay, for real last one I can recall is Tearmoon Empire. I read the novels for this series. ONE time leap, and that's it. I'm fine with that. But the looping is where I lose interest.

Someday I'll probably read the "great" timeloop WNs, but it's in the same way I'll eventually read the end of DCC. When I'm really bored and long after popular discussion has died down, because I have higher priorities.

>>25480550
>Yes , I like timeloop stories.
Now that I've written an essay on not finding them interesting, what do you like about them? I'm genuinely curious. Especially since I'm toying with the idea of a timelooping villain, and I'm daydreaming about how to beat one.

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>>25480779
I'm currently falling off but I did hit RS main and made three figs a month on patreon.
>wake up
>shower
>sit down at computer desk
>spend the morning writing (~9-12 or 1pm)
>consume up to 600mg during this process
After that, usually accomplishing editing the previous day's chapter and writing one or two new ones, I hit the gym or read or watch anime.

So about 3-5 hours in the morning. However I fully understand not everyone can do this, so this is not advice. People have other commitments that I don't, because I'm basically a hermit NEET. And even I find the constant pressure to get chapters ready for serialization and maintaining a consistent posting schedule difficult. I think my next series is going to be 100% pre-written, and I'm going to pursue the full package: precepts for RS, stubbing to KU, and trying to get an audiobook deal. Pre-writing and editing should give me more mental bandwidth for the sales and promotion side of things (I hope).

>>25481142
Read Reverend Insanity. It has the best time loop execution out of all the stories that you mentioned

>>25481115
>read one book
>made his entire life revolve around it
You got a gosh-dang good point there.

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>>25481180
Skill issue. But putting in the effort to make an image is cute.

>>25481175
Why does that one book make every RR author seethe?

>>25481201
For me in particular it gives me the same feelings that some of Chris Chan's comics do.

>>25481201
>x making anybody "seethe"
Why are you responding to me, RIspammer? You are lower than cattle.

>>25481201
Gifted?
RI isn't even finished and it's a chink book anyway. Nobody cares about the book itself the spammer/ritual poster is the problem.

>>25480972
If the regions don't really interact with each other then the character c could believe he's in a different world, but I would just call that reincarnation

>>25481213
NTA but he shouldn't use the tag. Isekai implies a connection to Earth and our universe, fictionalized or real, on top of a fish-out-of-water story. Narnia and Sword Art Online are both isekai.
Reincarnation is a good tag, but it sounds like it's just a fantasy fish-out-of-water story. That can be interesting, too, but the big problem that anon faces is that isekai fans will come in, feel duped, and leave bad ratings as punishment.

It's probably better to just aim to get filtered in the first place than to get a very negative rating by upsetting readers early on.

>>25481180
I literally just talked to my friend to review my last chapter a week ago and got detailed and useful feedback. There's no way people actually believe this unless you people have 0 social skills.

>>25481180
>100 man hours to write 10,000 words
what the fuck are you doing? 10k is nothing

>>25481180
>100 man hours on 10k words
yeah if you spend that much for that little you probably shouldn't bother

but also you need to neck yourself because you specifically will never write the "next great literary classic" and you are a faggot retard

>>25481205
rude

>>25481210
It's a popular web novel with tens of millions of views. The only people who don't care about it are the /wng/ authors with no views and no subscribers.

>>25481180
You're supposed to get better/faster at writing as time goes on. That +100 hours goes down to <100, then 90, then 80, and so on.
Good bait image btw.

>>25481248
>>25481264
How long does it take you to write 2000 words aka a full chapter? I write around 300 words in a sitting then get stuck for multiple hours or even few days and everything crawls to a halt. It takes me an embarrassingly long time to finish a chapter and the worst part is I actually get a semblance of profit off of this.

>>25481240
That would require one to have friends.
To me, the closest thing to a friend is anons on this thread. They don't laugh at me; they laugh with me.

>>25481240
Where do you think you are lol

>>25481278
I literally developed friends almost solely to improve my writing because I needed to get firsthand experience from people interested in the stuff I'm writing about. Even got in contact with someone in my area who just came from Japan just because I didn't want to come off as a weeb when I describe a country I made based on Japan. I can't fathom a writer genuinely content with not having friends.

>>25481248
Being is that if you can't even get a single person to read 10K, you have no chance of getting anyone to read 100K.

>>25481275
Like 10 hours. Mostly because I'm pantser, I keep coming up with ideas on the fly. If I forced myself not edit or rewrite, probably could do in 2 but it wuld very bland

>>25481275
You should outline properly but failing that just skip ahead, put a break in and a few word summary of what needs to be added and then just keep going

>>25481286
>Like 10 hours. Mostly because I'm pantser, I keep coming up with ideas on the fly. If I forced myself not edit or rewrite, probably could do in 2 but it wuld very bland
Same, but mostly because I realize my original idea might have a lot of inconsistencies half way through and I get paranoid to the point where I revisit every single chapter and then ultimately lose my train of thought.
>>25481288
What outlining method you are using? I've found multiple and I'm probably doing it completely wrong.

>>25481275
Nta, it takes me about two hours to write 1000 words if I'm fully locked in. It used to take me a day to squeeze out 500 if I was lucky when I started. Actually sitting down to focus is the hardest part for me.
>>25481278
I had a friend who helped me early on to get better at writing. Unfortunately, he turned out to be a faggot, behavior wise and literally. Got a boyfriend, shifted political position massively, and generally just became someone else from the person I knew for over a decade.

>>25481293
>Unfortunately, he turned out to be a faggot, behavior wise and literally. Got a boyfriend, shifted political position massively, and generally just became someone else from the person I knew for over a decade.
In the exact same boat as you except the guy was only metaphorically gay and apparently is in a relationship with a woman. You have to diversify and trust your work to multiple friends. Yes, they will treat your writing as nothing more than a passion project and not really care about it but that's only because they're right. If they genuinely care about you they'll help out and you will get multiple perspectives to help hone in your writing and focus on what they all liked.

>>25481293
>Got a boyfriend, shifted political position massively, and generally just became someone else from the person I knew for over a decade.
Him? He's me!

>>25481142
>Charlotte (another TV anime)
What a fucking mention. That thing was a trainwreck and a half to watch.

>>25481290
>What outlining method you are using? I've found multiple and I'm probably doing it completely wrong.
I literally just write down what I want to happen in the chapter so I know the structure of it
Like if I was doing a crime story chapter that followed on from a cliffhanger of them jumping out of a building the notes would be like

recover from fall>drive home>call jeremy to complain about job>roadblock>ambush>escape

Just enough so you're never fully stopping and thinking what the hell comes next. Not very professional but it helps keep momentum. Obviously the more you write the more you get a feel for how much fits in a chapter and how much you'll spend on each section.

>>25481365
Kek I do almost exactly this but with newlines instead of >

>>25481180
>AI bait didn't work so has to resort to this
Truly pathetic, I hope you're getting paid for this and not doing it for free

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>>25481385
I like the AI version more.

>>25481460
What is up, half-transparent blurry checkers?
It actually hurts my eyes, did you ask it to make it damaging to my eyes or did AI artifact just do that?

>>25481470
I think you just have weak peasant eyes.

I like how cheerful the bottom boxes are.

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>>25481491
I can't be the only one seeing this; just look at this around text is a white checker pattern, when it is supposed be a single-colored box

>>25480540
>Have you Googled anything in the past year
>Every software that has been updated in the past 2 years has very likely seen programmers use AI

So AI is still being used for what I said, very slight reduction in some busywork. I don't know how many anons were rambling about AI and if you were the one making those claims but that is so far removed from
>by 2030, you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button
that it's not even funny. And everything I've seen so far in terms of learning data bottlenecks and how AI learning from AI produces fucking nothing is pointing towards what we have now being about as good as it's gonna get minus some optimizations, and anyone who thinks they're gonna be living in the matrix by 2030 is a fucking schizo.

>>25481500
I see it, it just doesn't hurt my eyes.

>>25481085
the kids aren't exactly fans of genital mutilating kike rats

>>25481365
That's smart and should definitely do that. I definitely realize how much more intentionality goes on with each chapter because while I know how the ending of a respective arc will go I have no clue what I'm doing towards the middle chapters (where I'm currently at) and mostly just pantsing every single strategy that happens in my chapters. Actually I'm currently stuck because I have to make through with a decision I pulled completely out my ass a couple chapters ago.

>>25481502
>everything I've seen so far in terms of learning data bottlenecks
They said we hit learning data bottlenecks 2 years ago and it has still improved by leaps and bounds.
>So AI is still being used for what I said, very slight reduction in some busywork
No, you don't understand; what took a year to program before takes 2-3 weeks now.
Your grandmother could get a $30 Claude Code subscription and create a working server that alerts her phone every time your aunt posts a conspiracy theory on facebook in a few hours.
The entire consulting industry is upside down right now.
The demand for junior positions is in the dumps.

It's hard to be so oblivious to the reality in front of you, but you can at least realize that if every single company on Earth is investing in using AI, then perhaps your conclusions are a bit stupid.

>>25481697
>They said we hit learning data bottlenecks 2 years ago and it has still improved by leaps and bounds.
It doesn't matter when it was said first, I'm only seeing it mentioned a lot as an issue now. Obviously there's ways to improve the user experience aside for learning data, but that's not the point here, are you denying that running out of learning data and AI's own generated data is an issue?
>No, you don't understand; what took a year to program before takes 2-3 weeks now.
I know enough programming to know it's 99% busywork and 1% actual intelligent decision making so this is not contradictory or surprising at all.
>The entire consulting industry is upside down right now.
Anyone taking these people seriously was a retard even before AI, literal pseudoscience. Imagine having a "life coach".
>if every single company on Earth is investing in using AI, then perhaps your conclusions are a bit stupid.
Like they did in the housing industry?

And why are you still talking like an AIbro trying to sell me a product and ignoring my main point on purpose? Did you literally invest every penny into AI stocks that you need to shill so much unprompted shit?

Answer me this, is
>by 2030, you will be able to create a novel that hits all your favourite tropes, with great prose and whimsy, and catered just to you at the click of a button
a retarded claim or not?

>>25481697
ai improvements are so massive in coding and math because they are factual and self check able. an equation can be checked and so can code
it CANT check whether a book is good so it cant generate 33 million tokens until it "gets there" because it doesnt know where there is

ai advancements are crazy only in a few fields, not everywhere
even in images and art its kinda hit a ceiling where it still cant do what you tell it to. there's been improvements but not nearly like in coding and math (checkable fields)

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>>25481180
I've felt this spiral often.

But unlike the fag in a bucket here who posts demotivationals to feel better about himself, I simply didn't quit and I'm near the conclusion of my first WN, which has done far better than I would've expected and I've got a sizeable base who are interested in the next already.

Life's so much easier when you're not a faggot quitter.

>>25481275
My chapters average 2500 words. When I lock in it takes me about an hour and a half but it generally takes more because the same profound ADHD that gives me the manic energy to write so fast also inflicts me with high amounts of distractibility.

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>>25481500
I upped the contrast and saturation. You're not schizophrenic, but I do think you have weak eyes that are hyper-focused on the diffusion artifacts that make these white auras around the text.

Well, I just posted my opinion, but it's hard to argue with people whose only conception of higher math is calculators and equations. AI models aren't formalizing proofs with lean to check their work. AI companies are trying to sell a product to other companies, so their research and focus has obviously been programming and other high-impact hitters. You don't get every company in the world hooked by telling them you can write a NY bestseller, but you will when you can tell them they can fire half their staff because in can solve the world's hardest problems.

>>25481745
>people whose only conception of higher math is calculators and equations
Nice strawman you subhuman shill, I brought up calculators in the context that they essentially did something very similar for math that AI is doing, which is massively cut down on brainless busywork that takes no actual intelligence, and that AI is no closer to "solving math" than calculators are.

>in can solve the world's hardest problems.
Holy fucking shizo shill melty, read my caps:

YOU WILL BE REPLACED BY 2$ CHINKSLOP YOU WILL NEVER BE RICH

>>25481757
>Nice strawman you subhuman shill, I brought up calculators in the context that they essentially did something very similar for math that AI is doing
It's so funny that you think you have a point, but it instead show more and more how little clue you have about math. No wonder you can't conceptualize the significance of the advancements in the field.

>>25481764
What's funniest is how you keep dodging my question like a worm and strawmanning for an entire thread that doesn't even have anything to do with it like your life depends on it, and it probably does.

Tick-tock goes the AI bubble, Chang is coming for your stocks little shill.

>>25481775
What is even the question lmao, your posts are just incoherent rambling mixed with some wildly stupid affirmations

>>25481779
Maybe you should ask an AI you illiterate retard, or are you senile/stupid enough not to be able to find me asking you to get to the point half an hour ago?

>>25481783
Perhaps you should pass my first post through an AI and ask it to explain to you what it means.

Actually, I'll do it for you:

>The post is making a fairly specific argument, even though it expresses it hyperbolically.

>The core claim is:

>If AI can automate activities we previously thought required exceptionally high intelligence and creativity, then there is no principled reason to think competent commercial fiction will remain protected.

>The programming and mathematics examples are being used as evidence about the trajectory, rather than because they have anything directly to do with novels.

>LLMs
>intelligence and creativity
Ah so you are just a desperate retarded shill, thank you for finally answering.

And here's some math since you like it so much: Chang dick + your ass = money gone.

>humans are a source of intelligence and creativity
>can't stop repeating himself in some incoherent drivel
Guess it's not too far, eh?

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You're both built for BBC

How do we bust the crust of the tradpub industry and allow fresh young talent to leak into the literary scene?

>>25481775
>Tick-tock goes the AI bubble
Bro, remember the dotcom bubble? Nah, you're probably too young.
Well the internet become stronger, and more ubiquitous afterward. Not less.

>>25481839
By building your own publishing house. EZ

>>25481814
>humans are a source of intelligence and creativity
Nah, most of them are fucking retards like you, actually. And the only lack of coherence you might be experiencing is due to your own said retardation.

You sound like a midwit math major who invested his whole life savings into this shit and now have to compulsively because your life literally does depend on it, or alternatively a complete schizo. My experience with math is being very good at it during elementary school to the point of winning regional awards, but I stopped being interested as it was much like with programming just 99% braindead work and 1% fun. So while I don't care or know or ever claimed to be into theoretical math, you expect everyone to believe math(and specifically the one AI does) is the most creative and intelligence requiring of human activities?

How about some basic logic instead which happens to also be math, if AI was currently capable of solving the most creative and intelligent problems in the world why is it not creative nor intelligent in terms of communicating with people? Like even the most hardline AI shills do not claim that LLMs mimic actual intelligence, you are working on new levels of delusion here.

Oh and also never forget cheap Chinese alternatives will replace/defund you.

>>25481852
>I stopped being interested as it was much like with programming just 99% braindead work and 1% fun
The reason why we like AI is because programming is now 1% braindead work and 99% fun.

>>25481852
The only thing I'm getting from your posts is that you think you're smarter than you are, regardless of whatever I'm saying. The fact that you mentioned elementary school awards, and from the way you type the $ sign, some irrelevant ESL country. Actual lmao.

>>25481858
Yeah, I never claimed otherwise, but this guy is claiming that the fun, IE actually creative parts are the ones in fact solved by AI, as will all forms of art and writing and we will all live in some matrix by 2030.

>>25481861
Yeah I know you like to strawman and ignore everything that makes your midwit head strain, let me distill it like your AI shitbox does so you might understand
>you say math biggest brain thing, AI best at math
>if math biggest brain thing why AI no brain?
>all other smaller thing brain be easy if math biggest brain

Mods have got to do something about the /ic/ style offtopic crabposting

>>25481882
We have mods? Could have fooled me.

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>>25481863
Since, unlike this other guy, I actually know what I'm talking about. I'll try to defend his position. Which is wrong, but I'll give it the best shot.
>Live in some matrix by 2030.
We currently don't have any indication that we will get an intelligence explosion. AGI is a bit of a misnomer, as in many domains LLMs already surpass human intelligence.
>but its wrong sometimes
Yes, but humans are statistically proven to be wrong more often. LLMs aren't perfect, but we don't need them to be. Just like I don't need a perfectly made coffee.
>AI not gonna be up to human performance by 2030
Attached is a chart, where from a domain show how much time it takes a human to perform a task relative to an LLM given the same task and 2 hours. Y axis is the time it took a human and X the year that the test was performed.
Extrapolating this chart (which is a conservative estimate, more accurate estimates show this will actually accelerate as more compute is committed to training), shows that a task that takes a human 256 hrs to complete will be can be completed by an LLM in 2 hrs with a 50% success rate. That means to a "subjective expert quality standard". With more success given with more time, or more attempts.
256hrs is 153,600 word with a composition rate of 600 words per hour. I can personally generate 10 books in 2 hours with an LLM now, but the quality is shit. This is indicating that an AI could generate as best selling, high quality, ideal story novel in 2 hours in the year 2030.
I agree with this assessment.

>>25481892
>I'll try to defend his position. Which is wrong
>I agree with this assessment.
umm...

>>25481900
I agree with the assessment of the chart not the assessment of anon that we will live in a technological utopia in 2030.
>Here is the chart with accurate error bars.
>>25481863
Argues for the bottom part of the error bar.
>>25479981
Argue for the top part of the error bar.
>>25481892
I argue for the trendline.
No, it probably won't do it "in a few minute". Generating a pretty good book will probably take a full workday, and generate 3-4 failures.
But yeah, the book make by an LLM 2030 is, at least statistically speaking, plausible to likely.

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>>25481905
Fucking forgot to add the image, the entire basis of my post.

>>25481892
>as in many domains LLMs already surpass human intelligence.
Yet chabidi gets basic shit wrong all the fucking time and I need to call it a stupid retard.

>>25481892
>Which is wrong, but I'll give it the best shot.
>This is indicating that an AI could generate as best selling, high quality, ideal story novel in 2 hours in the year 2030. I agree with this assessment.

Why is his position wrong if you fully agree with it?

And no offense but this sounds like a bot response, first I have a guy who sounds like a desperate shill, now I'm talking to someone contradicting themself and posting statistics graphs, which I'd never take seriously in the first place. You're talking as if you can estimate objective quality of writing.

>>25481905
>Argues for the bottom part of the error bar
>Argue for the top part of the error bar

As fucking delusional as that guy was he did not mean it will generate in a literal second. And I'm arguing that the best quality it will be able to generate no matter the time in 2030 will still be pretty shit. Why do you assume the graph will forever go up in quality with no diminishing returns?

This thread is getting too schizo.

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25481905
> the assessment of anon that we will live in a technological utopia in 2030.
Nobody claimed that, except for the strawman some anon made that by saying "you will be able to prompt a decent novel by 2030" it literally meant "utopia/matrix by 2030".
>No, it probably won't do it "in a few minute"
It was hyperbole, just like "at the click of a button". 2 hours is practically the same time range as 2 minutes anyway, when compared to the actual process (1+ years).

>>25481917
Hey if you're still here you little bitch why did you run away at this post?>>25481872

Couldn't handle the simplest logical problem in the world?

Because I don't want to spend a minute more speaking to a moron, if it wasn't obvious

>>25481915
>posting statistics graphs, which I'd never take seriously in the first place
Then you are arguing against evidence which means nobody can change your world view.
>Why is his position wrong if you fully agree with it?
I don't.
>Why do you assume the graph will forever go up in quality with no diminishing returns?
If you see the error bar in the image
>>25481908
The green part...
The lower end does show diminishing returns.
The higher part shows exponential returns.
The trendline is what we expect because it is that same that has been happening for 6 years, as indicated by the data. We have to assume that it is likely to continue this trend, that is what a trendline means.
But I'm arguing with someone who doesn't respect evidence, so I'm wasting my energy.
>>25481917
In that case, sure I agree with you.

Really don't get why you'd spend all day spamming up /lit/ about AI when you don't even understand the issue with memory that's such a massive factor when it's doing writing and why it's a pure exponentially scaling resource cost that's not just gonna be 'solved' by developments.

Because if memory isn't actually the issue shut the fuck up and go make your money churning out slop since that's what's gonna replace all writing according to you.

>>25481924
Oh sure, it's not that you can't admit that math is not in fact the most creative human activity and that AI being good at it is no indication it will ever independently generate all entertainment and dominate every field. Gotta die on any retarded hill you can.

What would Popeye do in this situation?

>>25481935
Gemini currently has a context limit of a couple million, which is about 1-1.5 million words. I'm sure it can see an entire book at the same time.

>>25481936
Are you Portuguese?

>>25481936
funny thing with the math stuff is that it's obviously a very useful tool there but all of the headlines about 'AI just solved this proof' are all for obscure proofs that just had to be bruteforced.
Nobody human would ever bother because doing it doesn't matter, it changes nothing.
They're in such a rush to sensationalize it.

>>25481927
>Then you are arguing against evidence which means nobody can change your world view.
Abstract self-affirming estimates are not "evidence", you have human task time as a simple variable which can be interpreted in literal millions of ways.

For simple mindless tasks this is possible to quantify in theory, and I'll ask again how are you measuring objective quality of abstract concepts? You yourself wrote
> I can personally generate 10 books in 2 hours with an LLM now, but the quality is shit
and you assume you'll be able to generate not shit in the future given any amount of time based on what? More AI generated predictive graphshit?

AIbros are all schizophrenics.

>>25481944
Are you jewish?

>>25481946
This is 100% what I expected, you ask these creatures for any actual results that impact anyone's life currently and they'll go deathly silent, or talk about made up professions like "consultant".

>>25481955
>you have human task time as a simple variable which can be interpreted in literal millions of ways
If you see with this paper the chart is from.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.14499
You can write a paper to argue against Thomas Kwa, Ben West, Joel Becker, Amy Deng, Katharyn Garcia, Max Hasin, Sami Jawhar, Megan Kinniment, Nate Rush, Sydney Von Arx, Ryan Bloom, Thomas Broadley, Haoxing Du, Brian Goodrich, Nikola Jurkovic, Luke Harold Miles, Seraphina Nix, Tao Lin, Chris Painter, Neev Parikh, David Rein, Lucas Jun Koba Sato, Hjalmar Wijk, Daniel M. Ziegler, Elizabeth Barnes, and Lawrence Chan.
I'm going to believe the multiple phd's over some rando on the internet. Appeal to authority.
>More AI generated predictive graphshit?
It wasn't an AI generated graph retard.

>>25481962
disagree somehow ended up "see"
>If you disagree* with this paper that the chart is from...
>...you can white a paper to argue against [the list of authors of the paper].

>>25481959
It's just that you have a hint of Mediterranean flavour to your idiocy, tending towards Iberian, and the depths of it just makes me think Portugal. And somehow I think I'm right.

The average lit slop has more soul than a tech bro and that's why AI is doomed to fail at anything artistic.

>>25481959
There have been countless breakthroughs from AI in material science and flow algos, which effect almost everything we do all the time. End up in semiconductor design and engines. It's an obtuse take.

>>25481966
>doomed to fail at anything artistic
I wouldn't argue that seeing every artistic profession get replaced by AI in under 5 years is "failure".

>>25481962
>I'm going to believe the multiple phd's over some rando on the internet

Fucking lmao, I'd wipe my ass with their phd's, the burden of proof that their estimates are worth jack shit is on them. See, halfwitted retards like you will present this as if it's my intelligence vs multiple phds, I don't need to be intelligent at all to question mainstream science papers, as anyone with half a fucking brain should question every single one to some extent without physical proof. So much money and vested interests are involved that you have to be a complete retard to take anything like this at face value without seriously studying what methods they used etc.

Or applying basic fucking logic and common sense in this case like how are these phds magically quantifying quality, something no one besides them apparently has done in the history of the world, yet you're stupid enough take them at their word, you must have been vaxxed day 1.

>>25481978
>he's mad
you got BTFO'd
just give up

>>25481965
I'm sure that's what your AI shitbox is telling you, and no it's retarded and wrong, as you and it both will always be.

>>25481970
What have these semiconductors and engines revolutionized? The only thing I hear about semiconductors is constant shortages of them.

>>25481978
post Phd

>>25481987
Well, it does take time to actually manufacture things.

>>25481983
Kek, I like how you shills fall apart at the slightest prodding of your thought process and can't argue against most basic common sense.

Why are you on 4chan, no one's going to buy or not buy your shit based on this website, especially this fucking 20 person thread, you are literally insane for shilling here.

My god will you faggots stop shitting up our thread with your AI bullshit.

>>25481992
What will they produce and revolutionize in the future?

>>25482000
stuff and things probably

>>25481999
I bet people argue about AI to derail these threads intentionally.

>>25482002
I hope they're not paying you above minimum wage for this effort level of shilling. That guy even posted some pee-h-dee papers to sell his bit, now he deserves a raise.

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Is pic related written with AI?
I am asking because the writing is really good and normally we don't get that from royal road authors.

Also when the fuck is the new chapter coming out?

>>25478867
Whats the novels name?

>>25481822
I look like this btw

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>worked up the courage to ask for / offer a shout out swap
>no response in 8 hours
It's over. Why try? Everyone probably hates me.