Nobody told me she was a feminist. I impressed women by naming her as the best fiction author of all time and they were surprised I read feminist literature. I haven't actually read her but I memorised the titles, years, and summaries of her books because of this boards persistent posting of her. Should I read her out of respect?
>I impressed women by naming her as the best fiction author of all time and they were surprised I read feminist literature. I haven't actually read her but I memorised the titles, years, and summaries of her books this board is full of wonders
>>25482610we have very limited time on this earth
>>25482610>Should I read her out of respect?no you should read her because of her fearsome command of the english language.e.g.>For now my body, my companion, which is always sending its signals, the rough black "No", the golden "Come", in rapid running arrows of sensation, beckons. Someone moves. Did I raise my arm? Did I look? Did my yellow scarf with the strawberry spots float and signal? He has broken from the wall. He follows. I am pursued through the forest. All is rapt, all is nocturnal, and the parrots go screaming through the branches. All my senses stand erect. Now I feel the roughness of the fibre of the curtain through which I push; now I feel the cold iron railing and its blistered paint beneath my palm. Now the cool tide of darkness breaks its waters over me. We are out of doors. Night opens; night traversed by wandering moths; night hiding lovers roaming to adventure. I smell roses; I smell violets; I see red and blue just hidden. Now gravel is under my shoes; now grass. Up reel the tall backs of houses guilty with lights. All London is uneasy with flashing lights. Now let us sing our love song--Come, come, come. Now my gold signal is like a dragonfly flying taut. Jug, jug, jug, I sing like the nightingale whose melody is crowded in the too narrow passage of her throat. Now I hear crash and rending of boughs and the crack of antlers as if the beasts of the forest were all hunting, all rearing high and plunging down among the thorns. One has pierced me. One is driven deep within me.
>>25482610This is likely lost on you because you're a retard, but the "feminism" of ye olde days isn't exactly the blue-haired, obese internet slacktivism of today. I would also consider her a classist first, and if the women you concocted in your puerile imagination were aware of some of her lesser known views and thoughts, they would likely try to "cancel" her.
>>25482627she gets a pass for being raped
>>25482635So do you
>>25482644sorry you feel that way
>>25482624THIS is what people get all excited about?? Wtf?????
>>25482627What would Virginia woolf be cancelled for, specifically?
>>25482693If you don't think that slapped you might as well move to India or china and start learning another language because you clearly don't speak or read English very good.
>>25482704It's fine, very good even, but not particularly exceptional. It's just average poetic language to me. I was expecting something really mind-blowing.
>>25482713Well what do you think she means by "come?"
>>25482624shit must hit like crack for poetrylets lol
>>25482718It's describing being chased through the woods next to London, right? So probably someone calling off their hunting dog before it attacks them.
>>25482720You think "the golden come in rapid running arrows of sensation" which she says is a "signal" sent by her body, her companion, is some guy talking to a dog?I guess thats one interpretation. Not how I read it though. One thing i've noticed about Virginia woolf since i started is that sometimes the constant perspective shifting gets away from you and sometimes she's speaking in extremely obscure metaphor and other times bright scarlet lettering that directly hits you over the head. She's definitely someone i would find worth re reading for that reason.
>>25482724I was joking, thought it would be obvious
>>25482724NTA. But what is she saying here? Is she running through the forest and into the city? But then what does "out of doors" means then?
>>25482720Fucking hell. This is what you took from it? Unironically, what is your IQ? I need to study you.
>>25482731She's getting fukd and cumming>>25482732Somewhere south of 130
>>25482736*sigh* why do you have to go and spoil it for the retarded.Anyway she writes aboit other stuff good too. Pic related. The way she writes about mental health was like so incredibly powerful to me. Idk if clinical depression is really like PTSD from war but, like most.of us haven't been to war but many of us have felt like Virginia woolf. (At least if you're a head case like me.)
>>25482743Oops wrong screenshot. One sec dont have my glasses.
>>25482743>>25482747This is the one I meant to post. Please kindly pretend i didn't post the other one.
>>25482743>>25482750Uh, no offense but are you old enough to use this website? If not, please get the fuck out.I have PTSD (not from war or anything similar) and that doesn't really seem at all like what I experience nor from what I remember of being extremely suicidal as a kid. The latter was more like every moment of existence being agony, sort of like hyperanxiety, and the world didn't want me to die, *I* wanted to die. Suicide is a selfish urge. Food was not pleasant and the Sun was dun. I distinctly remember being 15 or 16 and seeing blue sky and marvelling at how bright it was, because the urge to self destruct was lifting for the first time since I was ~12.The best depiction I've seen of my experience with PTSD, and it's not even really about PTSD just getting old and memory I think, is "where I get my ideas" by Gene Wolfe, on page 361 of "Castle of Days". I don't seek out such depictions so it might be objectively not good.
>this copypasta thread again
>>25482702she was briefly anti-semitic when she was younger and she was also part of an indian blackface prank. she also uses the n-word in her final novel, not in a disparaging manner though, not that liberal retards know how to tell the difference
>>25482624What a self absorbed, cunt. Shit’s exhausting, no wonder she heroed.
>>25483120Are you just ignoring the fact she married and loved a jew? That she suffered psychotic hallucinations?
desu, most women writers (save for the few most reactionary) will be retroactively labelled ‘feminist’.
>>25483151>briefly>when she was younger
>>25482624So that's what it's like to orgasm when you're a woman. Seems a lot more colorful than what we experience
>>25483169/analgen/
The funniest thing about OP is that he doesn’t think women can tell that he’s being a performative feminist. They were just being polite and pretending to be impressed so you don’t follow them home and throw a brick through their window bro
>>25482610I would not identify as a feminist or believer in any notion of "equality" (idealist fantasy) between any sort of group/individual, as hierarchy is an unavoidable reality of nature, however Woolf is undoubtedly one of the stronger female writers historically and legitimately skilled.
>>25483164Look at the reality warping he has to do to hold the position. We have her suicide note, which she wrote for her Jewish husband, of which she says all of her happiness in life was because of him, a jewish man. Go back to your containment board.
>>25483253How many times did she mention jews in the noteHow much of her happiness did she specifically ascribe to the jewish aspects of his personalityWhat about this man was so specifically and intrinsically jewish and how did that specific jewishness and its resultant behaviors result in her feelings? How would a non-jew have been different? If the same man was not jewish, what specifically about his behaviors and actions would have changed? And how would those changes be reflected in her happiness?
>>25483280I swear to God antisemitic women are the most autistic, retarded pieces of shit on earth. You are a moron. >>25483253I thought she was a lesbian for some reason
>>25483280The note was for a jew. She married a jew. You have had to change your position in the space of three posts because you were unaware of this and it shows by your bizarre questions.
>>25483286Her husband allowed her to be with other women during the marriage.
>he was great because he was a jew>ok what made him great>being a jew!>but what about being a jew made him great>he was a jew!>ok but how was reflected in his actions?>wow why are you such a retarded antisemite
>>25483301Schizophrenia
>>25483301Now he is in a hallucination. Anyone can go back through the reply chain and see you lied about what I said repeatedly in this post. I wonder what makes a person argue about something they clearly do not understand.
>>25483301philosemites (or, most likely, semites) are the biggest antisemites
The jewish tactics on display itt lmaoHoly shit lolIsraeli thread
>>25483317You are asking for an explanation of something that was never said. Her killing herself was due to her psychiatric condition which you already impled here >>25483164Was "when she was younger" which is again, wrong. She was repeatedly sexually assaulted during her childhood and not a single person who has wrote in Woolf accepts that her husband was anything but outstanding towards her. You are burying yourself under false accusations and everyone can see that you know nothing about her.Fuck off back to your containment board if you wont even read her.
>>25483317I'm whiter than you, fatima>Literally all I asked for was an explanation of how him being jewish directly resulted in her happinessWhich is a retarded question with an obvious answer (your ethnicity and religion is an enormous component of wha makes you yourself) that you're hoping will just make us give up and stop questioning your cultic retardation.
>Jewish tactics are when IQ above room temperature
>>25483327>something that was never said>We have her suicide note, which she wrote for her Jewish husband, of which she says all of her happiness in life was because of him, a jewish man.So jewish you didnt realize I could scroll up 5 inches
The guy gives no fucks for literature and only cares about politics and classifying people. In her entire 59 year life she did these things:>she was briefly anti-semitic when she was younger and she was also part of an indian blackface prank. she also uses the n-word in her final novel, not in a disparaging manner though, not that liberal retards know how to tell the differenceTherefore anon has in his mind, classed Virginia Woolf to be on his side politically. He doesn't care about her writing, he has not read her, he has no idea that she wrote a transgender character is a distinctively positive manner and was one of the first to do so. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
>>25483253many such cases, chuds are just far-right sjws at this point
>>25483335She was one of the first authors to write about a man becoming a woman. How does that make you feel anon?
>>25483286Most scholars agree she was likely bisexual, as suggested by >>25483297
>>25483348I'm pretty sure it's a woman>>25483355Basically yeah.
>>25483280nice spacing
>>25483301you will never be smart and you will never win arguments online
Someone said she said/did things that would be cancellable today. Someone asks what. Answers, including she was briefly antisemitic early in life (whether that statement true I don't know; if not, it ends there). Her later marrying a Jew does not mean the former is impossible, just that she must have changed her ways. Nowhere did an anon claim she was therefore based or on his side ideologically; it focuses on merely biographical elements, not her writing, but it was in answer to the question (the cancellable, which so often rests on the merely biographical; that her life and writing was progressive in other regards does not discount that, as every canceller will tell you [see the blackface photo]). That was all. Instead we get willful retardation?
>>25483407>not that liberal retards know how to tell the difference
>it focuses on merely biographical elements>not that liberal retards know how to tell the difference
>be Virginia Woolf>repeatedly describe yourself as "a-political">wrote a transgender character>join the fabian society >be secretary of the Rodmell labour party >repeatedly denounce the patriarchy>write that imperialism was male ego driven>repeatedly sympathise with socialism >repeatedly make feminist statements, verbatim: >"As a woman, I have no country. As a woman I want no country. As a woman my country is the whole world">"women have always been poor, not for two hundred years merely, but from the beginning of time">"that Anon, who wrote so many poems without signing them, was often a woman">"for most of history, Anonymous was a woman">"Women have served all these centuries as looking glasses possessing the magic and delicious power of reflecting the figure of man at twice its natural size">"Lock up your libraries if you like; but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt that you can set upon the freedom of my mind">"behind us lies the patriarchal system; the private house, with its nullity, its immorality, its hypocrisy, its servility. Before us lies the public world, the professional system, with its possessiveness, its jealousy, its pugnacity, its greed">"There we have in embryo the creature, Dictator as we call him when he is Italian or German, who believes that he has the right, whether given by God, Nature, sex or race is immaterial, to dictate to other human beings how they shall live; what they shall do">"the professions have a certain undeniable effect upon the professors. They make the people who practice them possessive, jealous of any infringement on their rights, and highly combative if anyone dares dispute them">repeatedly make anti-fascist statements, verbatim:>"subconscious Hitlerism.. the desire for aggression; the desire to dominate and enslave.. (exists) in the hearts of men">"When the tiger, ie Hitler, has digested his dinner he will pounce again">repeatedly make class-conscious statements, verbatim:>"The fact that has got to be faced is that to abolish class-distinctions means abolishing a part of yourself. Here am I, a typical member of the middle class... All my notions...are essentially middle-class notions">"If every reform they (working class women) demand was granted this very instant it would not touch one hair of my comfortable capitalistic head">"renounce undue pride in nationality and other forms of false loyalty"Fast forward to 2026>we revive her and show her this thread>she kills herself again
>>25483492woolf described herself as very political and some of her most famous non-fiction essays/lectures are almost entirely on war and politics
>>25483497>Her husband Husband, verbatim: "the least political animal that has lived since Aristotle invented the definition">To her nephew Julian Bell, 1935: "But I gather that politics are best avoided and in any case my views are likely to be inaccurate and perhaps partial, all politics be damned">In her diary, (Vol.5, p.114) "So we shant let arms through: we shall sit on the fence: & the fighting will go on. But I am not a politician: obviously. can only rethink politics very slowly into my own tongue" >In her diary in May 1940, on direct political engagement: "Thinking is my fighting"Like every human, she contradicted herself.
It's almost as if people have forgotten that characters develop over time. That as we do things, experience things, learn things, we change. Woolf was an active member of the labour party and fabian society, and then denounced them. The idiot points to this and says, see, she was x.
>>25483514>someone got older and changed their mindshocking revelation anon, you're a true scholar>>25483520his comments reek of hormonal adolescent angst, it's cognitively impossible for people like him to understand
>>25483538Both of these are mine anon. The point stands.
>>25483551No it doesn't. Get in the boxcar.
>>25483553Your judgement cannot be trusted when you agreed and disagreed with me at the same time.
>>25483562>gets in the boxcar
>>25483120That's an extreme stretch to say it would get her cancelled and based on the thread seems like there's a lack of evidence to support it.She never expressed chuddy, Christian or reactionary views it seems.And to the people sayinf she's not a feminist you simply are ignoring the context of the time and how groundbreaking her writing is.
>>25483637there are diary entries where she explicitly calls out jews for their stereotypical behaviour, someone can easily find them i'm sure. i personally wouldn't call her views chuddy though, they were pretty mild by anti-semitism standards. people have been canceled over less, though.
>>25482770I'm at least 10 years older than you and probably closer to 20The thing is, your claim of having PTSD doesnt meet the established diagnostic criteria of PTSD in the DSMV but since you're a mostly uneducated 20 year old there's no point in talking to you about this.I hate you so much. I am glad you suffer. I can't even finish reading your post. It's just argumentative defensive whiny low IQ prattle. I know instantly when you get heated online you're just another retard who cant and does not think and makes it his mission to make the world irritating for the rest of us.I would be glad of your suffering, but i know it's entirely made up and you're a whiny entitled brat. So I am not glad of anything.
>>25483639I looked into this and you're actually right, she made anti Semitic comments and images phrases in her published work until the rise of nazi ism in the 30s.But to be honest like, the way I see it, it's not really about what ypu say impulsively it's about what you mean, as in when someone asks you or criticize you do you double down and say you're bwing persecuted and your prejudices are right or do you admit you were being a cult and that you are ashamed of your prejudiced behavior.Back in the day it was much more common for people to accidently be racist at times particularly as a joke and when someone complained to apologize and explain they didn't mean it.Nowadays everyone just instantly gets angry and reactive and goes off about how they're being cancelled and everyone has an onion thin skin and china glass ego.
>>25483639Lets see anons entire online posting history.
>>25483649>Nowadays everyone just instantly gets angry and reactive and goes off about how they're being cancelled and everyone has an onion thin skin and china glass egoYou clearly spend too much time online in spaces designed to serve you content that generates negative emotions. You are consuming the digital goyslop and believing it's real.
>You>manipulated by your own emotions to the point of making a statement that begins with "Nowadays everyone.." and resentful of the life they feel has been lost>Me>enjoying my time here, learning every day, knowing that somebody will always disagree with me and accepting it as part of life, walking through the golden fields blooming with life, smiling every dayAnytime I read the statement 'back in my day' I feel a melancholy because it is a statement that as been made in one form or another for as long as people have been around to make it. Not only are you older than I but you cling to a time that will never return. We have translated texts from Sumer where the author is lamenting similar things. That the youth have changed and that their time has ended. The same inability to move on. The same catastrophizing of that change. Over and over, for as long as there has been writing.
>>25482720Reminder that when you discuss literature on this board, this is who you're discussing it with>>25483377No, no, you're supposed to spam>I'm smart and I belong herelike you do in every other thread
>>25483655I'll be honest, you got me there, it's addictive and hard to control. Depressing. But I actually don't spend time anywhere other than this board really, even that is too much.>>25483673What you don't understand is, it will happen to you. You'll get old, and you'll get stupid. And the more you think it can't and doesn't happen the faster and more surely it will happen. And yet, somehow life gets better anyway and you'll hate yourself less. Hopefully.Anyway it's not anout "back in my day," there was an almost century long interlude where people were more critical and reflective of prejudices in general, that's how ultimately the UDHR was promulgated after world War two. That wasn't necessarily "good" or better, it just was a thing that happened. We've we definitively returned to a cultural norm where more people not only accept their own prejudices at face value, but fuel them and revel in them. It's not bad or worse, just like evolution isn't about linear progress as people often believe, regression, decline, decay and extinction periodically occurs. And the toxic disinhibited tone of online spaces is very noticeable and palpable and it is tied to both IQ and lack of socialization. And also the global rise of the far right, technological and intellectual decline of the so called western world,and greater preponderance of hostility toward women, jews, Muslims, LGBT is all interconnected and real and observable. Not that these thints didn't exist before, but theu are sharper and more fixed now and less open to debate. It's pointless to pretend otherwise, not even with this fallacious point of "people in ancient sumer thought the youth were bad, therefore humanity will always progress" that 5000 years of history is only a geological eye blink, and even within it there are ups and downs and collapses and dark ages here and there.
>>25483727you will never belong
you dumb bitches, you dumb motherfuckers, all of you, hear me you fuckers: you cannot think, you don't know how to read, you have nothing to say about literature, all you know is jew, foid, based, woke, and screw you all i'm never coming back
you'll be back you woke jewish foid
>>25482610ignore the idea that she gets lumped in with "feminist literature" if you want to, and just read her novels. Her feminist shit is very old and very different from modern feminism, and she also apparently rejected the term "feminism" altogether so, do what you want with that.Read Lighthouse and/or Dalloway. She's one of the best writers to my taste. The quotes people provided in this thread don't do much to showcase the reasons I personally like her writing, just see for yourself.
>>25482704Is prose just jingling keys for people who like looking at books? she's not expressing anything interesting.
>>25482704>slappedImagine using negroisms while acting as a gatekeeper of the English language.
>>25483872brown and filtered>>25483887this
>>25483872>Are paintings just jingling keys for people who like looking at colors?>Is music just jingling keys for people who like listening to tonalities?You sound extremely, extremely hollow.
It seems I hit the nail on the head.
Yeah, (You)r's.
>>25482693filteredyou hate to see
>>25484849Given that my joke interpretation (>>25482720) "filtered" several of you I don't think that's the case. I get what she's doing and it's neat, maybe revolutionary in her time, idk, but 1) that reads like (uncommonly good) tumblr erotica shit from 2012, if I'm being brutally honest 2) modernist poets do it far far far better and also READ IN PARENTHESIS BY DAVID JONES 3) as >>25483142 noted it's kind of navel gazing in a way that, at least today, is mildly exhausting.
>>25484866I should say that point 3 is certainly, partially, an artifact of my bepenisment. Women like navelgazy stuff more than we do, or at least on topics more centered on their own being, and that's fine. But I'm still not enamored with it and I've seen it done better elsewhere.
>>25483642uh oh melty
>>25483799hopefully not
>>25484868It's not fine anon. Women are gay and cringe
>>25483642What are you talking about LOL?Even if you're jannystalking me (and if you are I'd expect you to realize the gimmick that unifies all my posts on here) I haven't described most of my symptoms or the actual tortureish stuff anywhere on 4chan for what should be obvious reasons. I've been (informally, by a family-friend psychiatrist) diagnosed and so has one of my siblings who went through slightly less (formally, for reasons I won't get into). DBT is the only reason I can even talk about this shit at all without going catatonic (slight exaggeration) for a few days and why I stopped relying on alcohol as much. And my hands still shake. Judging by the way you write you seem to be autistic so I'm sorry for, by virtue of being cool, smart, and a Martyr For The Truth, breaking your reductive vision of the world and causing you to have a temper tantrum. I actually am sorry: Nothing in the post you're responding to was meant to make anyone upset, except for the "get the fuck out" because teenagers don't belong here. I wish it was easier to be nice to not offend people without lying.>but since you're a mostly uneducated 20 year old there's no point in talking to you about thisI'm a 32 year old techoid with a BS and I've probably read more than you>low IQ9001, actually, tested by real American patriots >and makes it his mission to make the world irritating for the rest of us.Where do you think you are?Thank you for the entertainment. This made my morning. I hope you feel better.
