Do you accept him as the greatest? Who compares from other languages?
Her greatest one who's lived in there
shakespeare is FUCK, is shit at, hate those fucker, he is fuck, his writing SHIT
>>25490839>Who comparesCalderón
>>25490839Isn't Shakespeare lauded more by ESLs than actual English speakers?
>>25490914As an EFL, there can be only one true great...
>>25490914actual English speakers were practicing niggrobabble since the 90s and the ESLs nowadays just mimicking whatever is the latest niggerspeak spreading from the USShakespeare isn't praised by anyone, anymore, and it has been so for quite a while
>>25490891Life is a dream is very good>>25490914Germans love Shakespeare
>>25490839I am an ETL though
>>25491204Hindoo and what else?
>>25490891Life is a dream is better than everything shake did, how are the English translations? How do you even translate it?
>>25490839He was really black. & his name was Chuck A Speare
>>25490839Never read nor looked into his work.
>>25490914Wouldn't surprise me considering many english speakers probably have to study his work in highschool. It took me a long time before giving Goethe and Schiller another chance as an adult because I hated studying their work in school. Shakespeare on the other hand I have only ever read voluntarely out of personal interest, so I have no innate negative feelings attached to any of his work. And yes, I do think Shakespeare was a lot better than Goethe and Schiller.
>>25490839I accept him as the greatest, but only in the Schlegel–Tieck translation (Gundolf revision).
>>25490839>people who fuck up regular language to sound unique yeah there are many like that
>>25490839The greatest what? The greatest playwright in the English language? Yeah probably, but the fact that Shakespeare is pushed to the forefront of Anglo literature is more embarassing than anything, as it dismishes the varities of the use of the english language, which can be found in other works, just to reduce it to one man, as if the entirety of their canon were just a footnote. Same thing for Goethe, Dante or Cervantes, you're just asking for people to not delve into other works in your language. >Oh well, I've read Homer, it's all downhill from there, let's just skip all the other Greek poetsIt's lazy and stiffles discourse.As for who compares in other languages: nobody. Finding equivalents is a fool's errand. What if an Italian used their Dante superhero against the mighty Shakespeare? How would you even begin to compare their works? You cannot, end of story.
>>25491265Tamil
>>25490839I accept him as skilled in English. I don't think comparisons work very well. What he does with English wouldn't work in Swedish, my native language. If you did try to write in a Shakespearian way in Swedish, you would sound like someone with a moderate to severe intellectual disability, or possibly someone who've suffered a stroke recently. It works in English though.
>>25490839Haven't read him. I just watched The Journey to Melonia as a child, and later found out it's based on The Tempest.
>>25490839I don’t get it.
>>25492155I actually took a look at The Tempest. I only read a page or two but it looked dumb. Maybe it gets better later on. It was just loose words being shouted rather than complete sentences. Being a screenplay I guessed much of it would be like that so I didn't bother. Since I'm a grammar enthusiast I don't think screenplays overall would be my thing. I read Kafka instead, in German, which I'm learning.
>>25492155>The Journey to MeloniaI found the movie with English subtitles. Could work as an introduction to Shakespeare perhaps. Loosely based on The Tempest.https://ok.ru/video/1837896829496
>>25492168I initially thought so too, but his most lauded plays like Hamlet, Macbeth, King Lear, Anthony And Cleopatra, Julius Cesar, Othello etc really are sublime pieces of art and literature. I mean, you can read them just like a novel and the plot alone will keep you captivated. Plays like the Tempest are a bit more style over substance, but even then, what an incredible style it is.
>>25492184>what an incredible style it is.not the first part
>>25492207I guess it can seem a bit odd, but to me these chaotic, short and cut off sentences of exasperated sailors remind me so much of Moby Dick and I love that book. Shakespeare of course being one of Melvilles biggest inspirations.
>>25490839>Who compares from other languages?Goethe
>>25490839>Do you accept him as the greatest?In English maybe>Who compares from other languages?Oh hell no. I'm Indian. That would be absurd for me
The Chad Lope: 3,000 sonnets, five novels, four novellas, nine epic poems, 1800 stageplays. War veteran, insatiable duelist (almost dies in 1611 after being ambushed), kidnapps his first wife, 17 children and ultimately ordained priest when widower. Dies in his 70's.The Virgin Willy: 154 sonnets and 30 stageplays. No war experience, no duelist, only three children, drunkard and bald. Dies in his 50's.
>>25490839ibsen was better
Shakespeare is the greatest poet in the English language and you can argue whatever you want about translation or comparisons. But more importantly, he is the greatest dramatist to have ever lived, there is no comparison in any other period or language.
>>25494176>3,000 sonnets, five novels, four novellas, nine epic poems, 1800 stageplays.What if 95% of them are just trash?
>>25494176>The Chad Lope: 3,000 sonnets, five novels, four novellas, nine epic poems, 1800 stageplays. War veteran, insatiable duelist (almost dies in 1611 after being ambushed), kidnapps his first wife, 17 children and ultimately ordained priest when widower. Dies in his 70's.>The Virgin Willy: 154 sonnets and 30 stageplays. No war experience, no duelist, only three children, drunkard and bald. Dies in his 50's.
>>25494176>3,000 sonnets, five novels, four novellas, nine epic poems, 1800 stageplaysNone of which anyone cares about>war veteranDug latrines and cleaned the sergeants cock. Big whoop.>insatiable duelistAn asshole. >kidnapped wifeA rapist.>17 childrenA deadbeat.>A priestFucked 17 children
"Lope answered to every element of my prescription of a world-genius in literature. But Spain went into decline and Lope was not translated. The whole of Shakespeare has been translated into scores of languages; less than ten per cent of Lope's surviving plays has ever been translated into English.Twentieth-century physics has made the idea of the co-existence of "alternative universes" easier to comprehend. Picture an alternative world in which Spain triumphed. Lope then would have triumphed and I would be writing a book called The Genius of Vega. What do we learn from our picture? That the apotheosis of Shakespeare was and was not a matter of historical contingency. It was a contingency insofar as it happened to be Shakespeare, not Lope. But it was a necessity because the chosen one had to be a particular kind of genius and could therefore only have been Lope or Shakespeare".
>>25494248>"Lope answered to every element of my prescription of a world-genius in literature. But Spain went into decline and Lope was not translated. The whole of Shakespeare has been translated into scores of languages; less than ten per cent of Lope's surviving plays has ever been translated into English.>Twentieth-century physics has made the idea of the co-existence of "alternative universes" easier to comprehend. Picture an alternative world in which Spain triumphed. Lope then would have triumphed and I would be writing a book called The Genius of Vega. What do we learn from our picture? That the apotheosis of Shakespeare was and was not a matter of historical contingency. It was a contingency insofar as it happened to be Shakespeare, not Lope. But it was a necessity because the chosen one had to be a particular kind of genius and could therefore only have been Lope or Shakespeare".
>>25494272Genius-level answer.
>>25494297>Genius-level answer.
>>25494305
>>25491978This anon knows.
>>25490839In French we have periphrasis about the GOATsLa langue de (the language of) Molière La langue de ShakespeareLa langue de CervantesLa langue de GoetheLa langue de Dante
>>25496291La langue de CamoẽsLa langue de PouchkineLa langue de VondelLa langue de MoïseLa langue du BouddhaLa langue de MahometLa langue de FerdowsiLa langue d'HomèreLa langue de Virgileet ainsi de suite
>>25496313>La langue de CamoẽsShouldn't it be Camoens?
>>25498566maybe
