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Discord in Scarlet edition

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Banned Authors:
Joe Abercrombie
A.A. Attanasio
R. Scott Bakker
C.J. Cherryh
Glen Cook
Steven Erikson
R.A. Lafferty
Mark Lawrence
George R.R. Martin
Patrick Rothfuss
Gene Wolfe

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

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>>25492118
what does "banned authors" mean? it feels like every thread mentions at least one or two of them.
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kinda digging this modern fantasy/scifi book
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>>25492256
Try and find out. Only counts if you make a thoughtful post about them, though.
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Out of the banned list I have read work of Cook and Martin only. Well, maybe one book of Erikson way way back, I forget.
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>>25492118
funny how these pointless threads feel the need to ordain these kind of rules. I don't read any of them, but it speaks to the quality of these generals
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>>25492256
>>25492334
It's Baynefag mad that people arent discussing self published amazon slop
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>>25492334
There are no rules anon.
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Finished the third Red Rising book. I was expecting it to end badly again, with some kind of sacrifice that sets up the next book, but surprisingly it all ended on a pretty happy note (for Darrow, at least). My thoughts so far: 2 > 3 > 1. How's the rest of the trilogy?

I think I want to take a break and read something else for a while. Heard good things about this Abercrombie guy. Should I give The First Law trilogy a try?
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>>25492267
So did I.
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>>25492267
Buy an ad.
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>>25491982
bakkerfans are retarded
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>>25492256
>>25492272
There are no banned authors. OP has no authority to ban anyone. I'll prove it: Joe Abercrombie, A.A. Attanasio, R. Scott Bakker, C.J. Cherryh, Glen Cook, Steven Erikson, R.A. Lafferty, Mark Lawrence, George R.R. Martin, Patrick Rothfuss, and Gene Wolfe all think OP is gay. Sneed.
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I liked it...
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>>25492507
What did you like about it? Was there anything you disliked?
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>>25492507
>endorsed by GRRM
It HAS to be good!
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>>25492507
Its shit
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>>25492507
DNF for me.
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>>25492515
It was a decent story with good characters and nice world building.
The first 150 pages or so were a bit of a struggle, but it paid off by the end.
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>>25491982
I see. Well, I think of such things, sometimes.
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After putting it off for years I finally read Neuromancer. I don't know why I picked it up and dropped it so much, I loved the writing. It really had a natural and organic surrealism in it, very surprising. Reading it made me appreciate Abel Ferrara's rendition of New Rose Hotel even more and how Ferrara was able to capture that same surreal feeling I got from reading Gibson.

As I was reading it I was also playing through the Classic Marathon trilogy and it paired nicely with it, do recommend.

overall great time/10
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bakkerfag mad in /wng/
>>25492387
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>>25492554
>and nice world building.
So it was padded garbage.
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What are the most fun old school adventure/fantasy stories, like Jules Verne or HG Wells/related material?
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>>25492578
Philip Jose Farmer.
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>>25492578
Read Robert E Howard and Edgar Rice Burroughs
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>>25492576
No
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post physically impossible book scenes
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>>25492267
It's really not good, but I don't want to get into it again.
>>25492495
Based.
>>25492403
>Should I give The First Law trilogy a try?
It's depressing. The whole series is just stupid morons repeatedly fucking up or losing. Incompetence is universal. Intelligence is universally absent.
Might be your thing if you like laughing at the characters idiot moments, but I couldn't enjoy it. Not Demon Star either.
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>>25492723
>and then, the woman orgasmed.
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>>25492768
Stop reading grimdark.
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>>25492817
I did. I'm trying to keep others from making the same mistake.
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>>25492818
What's your favorite uplifting sff that celebrates the joys of life?
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>>25492835
The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Red Rising.
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is it possible for a fantasy book to have all POVs be enjoyable? reading a book right now where I'm only really invested in one pov. The other POV was basically misery porn for 100 chapters (ebook so more like 70 chapters of a real book im guessing) before the actual story part got started. And this isnt a flaw like past books I've read, but the characters are never interesting enough on their own to carry the story while it basically stays stuck in one place and one experience.
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>>25492889
>The other POV was basically misery porn for 100 chapters (ebook so more like 70 chapters of a real book im guessing)
I assume you mean pages,not chapters.
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>>25492891
yes
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>>25492889
The best fantasy books don't switch POV at all.
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>>25492898
The best books are first person present with an everyman protagonist doesn't get in the way of self-inserting. That's why silent protagonists in games are best possible protagonist.
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>>25492898
Lord of the Rings switches POVs constantly.
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>>25492889
just don't have shitty povs, it's that simple
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>>25493000
Every book has an unenjoyable POV
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>>25493000
Checked. It really is that simple.
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I have read about 250 pages today for ebook length, and 200 for real paperback length. I'd say I'm not really yet invested in the book, but I'm only 50% of the way through the book so theres still time.
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>>25492898
It's acceptable to do brief asides with other characters, but principally yeah it's a bad narrative crutch if every 1-2 chapters switches pov.

>>25492905
Prime example of mediocre fantasy.
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>>25493062
>Prime example of mediocre fantasy.
kek based
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With all the slop being printed it’s weird that this good book hasn’t been translated in English.
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I want a novel that's a procession of POVs, with none repeated.
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>>25493142
cringe trollbait
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>>25493142
Brunner gets close to this in Stand on Zanzibar, Jagged Orbit, Sheep Look Up.
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>>25492889
No. Every story with a regularly rotating cast of povs inevitably will have readers enjoying one pov more than others and getting disappointed. Or worse, when the author uses pov swaps to draw out cliffhangers in their own fucking book as if its a shitty webnovel desperate for you to click on another chapter.

>MEANWHILE ON NAMEK...
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>>25492507
I also liked it but the later books suck absolute ass.
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it's ok
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>>25493333
It does seem very dependent on how relatable it is.
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>>25493349
It reminded me of The Wall (Marlen Haushofer) and Dawn (Octavia Butler). Interesting premise followed by an extremely boring middle section and mediocre payoff.
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First Law....is GENIUS!!!
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Best obscure but still in print 1950s sci fi novel you have. I’ve read all the greats but I want more. I occasionally read modern sci fi, and while I don’t hate it, it doesn’t inspire the pure wonder the classics do
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>>25493378
idk about obscure but anything by Stanislaw Lem
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Reading n00b what scifi fits the my aesthetic for dramatic homo erotic twinks?
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>>25493434
Terra Ignota series by Ada Palmer
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>>25493434
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Old granny writes about several succubi demons living in a teenage boy’s head as he undresses??
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>>25493501
femcoomer
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>>25493378
Not obscure, but Childhood's End is still the best "aliens arrive to earth" book there is.
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I have to admit, I didn't expect so much rape when I picked up Lyonesse.
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>>25493142
Eschbach's The Carpet Makers
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Rec me some good stories where weaponized innovation and the blending of magic and technology is big part of the narrative. Preferably the MC is the one pioneering this revolutionary fusion of techno-sorcery.
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>>25493662
Discworld, particularly the Watch series, Feet Of Clay and Thud
to some lesser extent, Men At Arms and The Truth
FOC is a bog-standard police procedural but with magic

for example, instead of CCTV or surveillance vans on stakeout, they use gargoyles, which are living stone creatures in Discworld

Thud mixes in a good deal of politics

Truth involves at least two major uses of techno-magic but since it revolves around the birth of the printing press and journalism in Discworld, the innovation is mainly in other things

Going Postal and Making Money is also about inventing stuff which you can tell by the titles, but again more about systems than actual magic
particularly since magic in Discworld is not so much a two-edged sword, but more like using a morningstar for a volleyball
however there are a couple of interesting uses of magic-tech here and there

if you're more into high fantasy military then I've heard good things about the Powder Mage trilogy but I haven't read it myself, I'm not that interested
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>>25492267
> Goodreads tags: Fantasy, Scifi,... Queer, Dystopia
No thank you.
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>>25492889
No, because the simple reality that any given reader is inevitably going to like one more than the other means that the one they like less will seem bad by comparison. Constantly having multiple povs is self defeating, you can do an extra pov now and then and it's fine as long as it's just extra, but getting pulled away from a plot mid way inherently sucks.
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Gave in and read this. It was actually good, and not r*ddit as expected.

But why didn't they just create a trap or physical barrier to solve the problem? Series of disposable traps with high powered co2-frequency light to fuck up migration would at least control and maybe entirely wipe out the astrophage, and would be much lower cost and risk than the eponymous plan.
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>>25493724
Yet another victim fallen prey to megapopular slop.
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>>25493708
I agree that they should be used in moderation, but one nice thing about having multiple POVs is that if there's a boring part of a character's story you can skip it by switching to the other POV, then shift back when it is time for the first character to do something interesting again. Technically you can do this in a book with one POV, but it's much more obvious that way.
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>>25493724
I don't remember the deets, but what kind of bait could you give the astrophage that would be brighter than the sun?
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>>25493511
lol what
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>>25493757
Doesn't have to be brighter than the sun, just brighter than venus FROM the sun, in the particular wave length that co2 puts off. Seems a lot more feasible than trying to create an interstellar craft.

>>25493732
It's not as sloppy as I expected. Light, but entertaining and pretty well plotted and not terribly written. I usually lean away from modern popular books, but had three people whose tastes I respect and that align with mine tell me it was worth a read - and they turned out to be right. Ymmv.
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Ordering books takes too long in my country so I'm thinking about buying an ebook reader. Any recs, or are they pretty much all the same?
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>>25493849
>brighter than venus FROM the sun, in the particular wave length that co2 puts off
oh I get it now
yeah that would work

but on the other hand, such a trap in space would require space manufacturing technologies and capacities that rival the construction of the Hail Mary by far
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>>25493864
If you're going to be pirating books then Kobo is by far the easier route, if not generally I'd say Kindle but there's not a huge difference.
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>>25493871
Maybe, but really you just need to pump out a series of drones with a nanoscale blender blade that shines the light very brightly. Launch one every so often, and it'll at least cut growth down significantly, even if it doesn't kill all of them. You maybe only need to bring them a certain distance off course for them to then run out of energy and die before they can breed and return, which then is basically just a high energy beacon. Idk, it seems like something worth considering, but I also get that it's not the plot and so doesn't really matter. The plot is internally consistent enough to work.

It's funny how much launch capability has advanced between the time of writing and now, as an aside. The whole project would be an order of magnitude cheaper, and thus could be larger or more complex, because the cost of putting weight into orbit has dropped so significantly in the last few years.
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>>25493873
Never had any problems using zlib/anna's->send to kindle web page->kindle app on phone or paperwhite. Even tracks progress between the two very well, these days - that used to be an annoyance.

You should buy indie published books and those of fairly new, living authors you really like. Otherwise you're just feeding the book jew by buying, so should pirate.
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Today, we will summon a literary alien, in order to cleanse /sffg/. Which one will we be requesting an audience with, /sffg/?
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oh wow A Trade in Blood was boring.
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>>25493873
This.

I will add that I have used a Kindle (Paperwhite) for around a decade now -- near-daily usage -- and it still performs well, if you're worried about wear and tear. Of course, Kobos should be faster, or just format whatever you get with KOreader. And if you transfer-through-USB (I never use the internet on my Kindle, myself), the physical port will get loose eventually so that can be annoying.
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>>25493920
the difficulty is in making a CO2 beacon with the brightness of Venus. I think it would have to be a pretty big beacon
you could breed Astrophage to provide the initial energy to power the first torch, but you still need to make the emitters and the reactors, and lift that out of Earth's atmosphere
the big hurdle is that first CO2 beacon
after the first beacon, you can use the harvested Astrophage to power a space industry to defray the costs of building the next beacons

in fact this is probably a good Plan B for them to try while waiting for the spacecraft
but upon reflection, it wouldn't be a permanent solution, because it doesn't solve the question of hungry Astrophage attacking the Sun from the rest of the universe, it only kills them after it's already fed and full

FYI Andy Weir mentioned later he also made a mistake in his calculations for the Haili Mary's Astrophage fuel tanks, it's a few multiples or even an order of magnitude smaller than it should be, I forget which
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>>25493940
I felt like the showpiece, the brain control fungus
was just to simple for a whole book, felt like something that you'd use for a side-gig
that everything there was to show and say, could fit into a prelude

Sure, it's a interesting and grotesque premise. But... Not whole book kind of interesting
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>>25493956
yeah and pretty much from the get-go you know about the fungus. 80% of the book is just figuring out who did it, which is tiring because they have like a dozen red herrings. am i just bad at mysteries or are you not supposed to be able to figure it out yourself?
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>>25493110
>look it up
>first review I see calls Jaworski misogynistic
You son of a bitch, I'm in.
Should I read his Récits du Vieux Royaume short stories first?
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>>25493971
>>25493956
>>25493940
At the end of my audiobook, the author talked about how "sometimes the best advice is to scrap everything and start over again."
Made it sound like something fucky was going on with the 3rd book. And why it turned out as, what seems like a short story, dragged out to span a whole book.

Whole book just reeks of rushing out something to meet a deadline and a previous scrapped project to me
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>>25493501
Grannies write the wildest coomer shit because nobody can argue with them.
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>>25493354
>Interesting premise followed by an extremely boring middle section and mediocre payoff
Too bad. That's what I expected based on the synopsis but still, I hoped I'd be wrong. Shan't read it then. I have too many books to read and not enough time for mid stuff.
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>>25493954
If you keep them from breeding, occasional infections from other systems wouldn't really matter. You're probably right that I'm underestimating the energy needed to out-shine reflected venus - i figure you can get closer to the sun than venus is, and have a direct source, something like a powerful light AND co2 trapped in a transparent space that allows both passive reflection and direct light creation. And as you said, if you then harvest the astrophage, you'll have some value there as well. Even if you only siphon a majority of them long term, you'd slow the reproduction and exponential growth by enough to make it essentially "solved", or at least give you hundreds or thousands of years to slowly adjust to weaker sunlight or let the technology mature and improve.

I don't think there's any way to capture them prior to getting to the sun, you'd have to disrupt the path once they're charged.
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>>25494003
yeah and the only real character development is a vague hint that din was conditioned from birth or sumn. oh also more hints that ana is the emperor's daughter or some shit but come on we knew that since book one.
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>>25494038
nta
You've responded to a post about a different book, not Trade of Blood.

>>25493993
nta
Seems like you took an adversarial approach. That makes enjoyment more difficult.
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nta
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>>25494093
Who are you then?!!
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Im kinda bored of reading the book im reading despite there being no clear or significant low quality moments. Its just boring and slow.
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>>25494096
Performative
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>>25494016
>You're probably right that I'm underestimating the energy needed to out-shine reflected venus
it turns out you're right, at least according to AI
it's piss-easy to build a laser that can out-emit the spectral radiance of Venus's CO2 - that is, outshine the "brightness" of Venus's CO2 to a spaceborne particle, because AI claims the power consumption is minimal
by thus trapping "full" Astrophage and killing them by discharging the power, you would prolong the Sun's life significantly by interrupting the exponential cascade of energy-consuming-and-breeding Astrophage
>I don't think there's any way to capture them prior to getting to the sun
there isn't, because you can't outshine the sun
so it's not a permanent solution
but if the incoming rate of "hungry" Astrophage is minimal, then there's plenty of time to figure out a permanent solution
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>>25493349
I didn't even think about it as relatable, I liked the larger meditation of humans, their purpose and their trajectory.

>>25493587
I'm pretty sure a couple are repeated towards the end.
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>>25493724
pure slop like this doesn't deserve the science-fiction label
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>>25494118
To.each their own perspective and interpretation.
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>>25493864
Kobo for new readers or used Kindle for value. Stay away from Android e-ink devices because the battery life is awful and chinks never do integration work. My 11yo Paperwhite's battery still lasts about 1.5-2 weeks, which passes for excellent on Android.
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>>25491435
To be fair, they never outright said she was the town bicycle. That was a sort of adult implication and projection a lot of women readers did. However, in the sense of the children's world, it just meant that she had begun to stop "believing" in Narnia and so was more focused on worldly matters. Either way, it's funny seeing roasties seethe about that ending to this day lol
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>>25494096
I'm that guy.
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>>25494258
>a sort of
It was massive projection that you could only get from these literally demonic feminists
The only line that i can remember was one of the kids complaining "Susan was into stockings and boys and stuff" which is just a child's view of growing up and doesn't signal anything negative at all.
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>>25494261
FUCK YOUUUU
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>>25494102
learn2skim the boring parts, it might save your life one day.
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>>25494374
I'm conflicted. This is terrible advice, but you're giving it to a terrible poster.
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I really might have to start making a rule that any series with more than 3 or 4 books max is a Do Not Read. The book I'm reading right now isn't even close to bad so far. But so much of the way the story slowly trudges towards something is so indicative of the clear fact that the series is literally 7 (or is it 8, I cant even remember) 600-800 page books. Don't know what to do about this problem. Because I don't want to just give up on books from acclaimed series based on something that just seems so arbitrary, but I'm really losing my patience here
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hey guys I just wrote a book ripping off a way older book from hundreds of years ago with the same antiquated views on human nature and the big questions except this time..... it's set in.... SPACE! oooh
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GTA 6 will erase the shitty paper and pencil book industry.
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>>25493724
gr8 b8 m8
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>>25494413
Just drop it, man. Stop letting sunk cost fallacy kick your ass.
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>>25494413
Honestly it is mainly for profit. They keep the stories undefined just to publish more and more stuff. I dont like it either, as an example, I wish to read Glen Cook's The Black Company, I've read the first 10 pages of the first book and I didnt like the prose although the plot interests me. I will not go until the end of the series, some anon here in another thread said it was better to read the first three books and one spinoff and that was enough. That is what I am going to do.
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>>25494474
Name names.
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hey guys I just wrote a post ripping off a recent post from an hour ago with the same antiquated style of posting cliches and the generic statements except this time..... it's written as... META! oooh
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>>25494402
Being able to skim is actually a useful ability
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>>25494617
Useful for trying to minmax studying for a test and pretending you're learning.
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>>25494102
drop it

>>25494374
kys

>>25494413
Any good writer can be interesting for 3 books, but after that after that you're inviting them into your proverbial living room.
>I don't want to just give up on books from acclaimed series
Save that kind of energy for the Greeks. If a sf book hasn't been able to entertain you in 300 pages, it's not gonna work out.
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>>25494413
4 max generally. it allows for one book in the same "universe," but that's different from the other 3. standalone or trilogy should be the standard. i'm surprised their aren't more duologies. i'd also rather have 1 or 2 books run long than several books be long.
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>>25494617
Only if you're getting paid or graded.
>but it's fun
Ok cool, but never tell anyone you read it. The point you stop skimming is effectively the point you dropped the book.
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While we're here, do you guys know of a private alternative to Goodreads? Or at least something run by someone unrelated to Bezos.
I just want to manage my own lists. I don't care about the social media aspect of it as long as I can sort books by genre and see their covers.
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>>25494637
*the point you start skimming
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>>25494641
The main alternative is storygraph.
https://app.thestorygraph.com/profile/yevolem
The import has problems but it doesn't really matter to me for my non-usage.
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>>25494637
seems like a very cucked mindset. you don't respect your own time, you just worry someone will find out you "didn't really read the book" as if anyone gives a shit you skimmed a chapter or two in a thousand page fantasy book.
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>>25494648
Other than that there's Calibre, though that's more for ebook management. I also have spreadsheets. I have a different use case, so I don't really know of a fully featured offline solution that isn't about ebook management.
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>>25494649
nta
You aren't respecting your own time if you're reading something you feel the need to skim.
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>>25494641
Bezos hasn't been the CEO for a few years now.
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>>25494648
Yev, does this support importing?
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>>25494657
well, the alternative is dropping the book entirely. but you have to ask yourself, how many great books have you missed out on because you were too much of a coward to skim the slow boring parts? very few books are a masterpiece through and through, they have ups and downs, especially these multi book epics. no one would blame you for fast-forwarding.
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My dad always lies that he’s read every sci fi author and I don’t know why. He did used to read before he was diagnosed with “ADHD” (which I think he malingered to get dexies, since he’s an amphetamine addict). But I don’t see him read books anymore and he just puts new books on the shelf if he goes out shopping. He even lied that he’d read Philip K Dick because I said I’m a big fan, but he doesn’t remember any details from the books that aren’t in the movies.
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>>25494648
>>25494654
Thanks Yev. It doesn't look private at all, but that'll do.
>calibre
Already using it to manage my ebooks. I'm looking for a website so I won't have to DL ebooks I may never read. I have too many books bookmarked, it's a mess.
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>>25494665
>how many great books have you missed out on because you were too much of a coward to skim the slow boring parts?
Zero because great books by definition have no slow / boring parts.
>no one would blame you for fast-forwarding
I blame you for gaslighting everyone into thinking you have an opinion on the book when you don't.
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>>25494657
nta but you're right I don't respect my time but at the same time do, thats part of my problem, everything is boring to me, so everything needs to be interesting to me, and everytime theres a slight of borigness, it impresses on me so negatively that the idea that there is nothing for me, forces me to sacrifice respect for my time, for the mere possibility of finding something interesting.
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>>25494670 (Me)
Wait a minute. It's cucked.
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>>25494675
Get checked for anhedonia. Sounds like you got it.
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>>25494677
can't say i'm surprised from a yev-endorsed site
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>>25494668
Yeah I have an uncle who likes to do that with popular fiction series. Not a crank addict afaik. He's one of those guys who likes to bait other people into doing research for him in online discussions too. Usually great in person, but online... Even for here he's pretty bad.
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>>25494663
Yes, you can export from Goodreads then import that to Storygraph.

>>25494670
There are probably privacy options to make it more private.

>>25494695
It exists. I don't endorse it. I've barely used it since the site was created. I have an account on several other book sites/apps. I don't endorse Goodreads either. It's just what was most convienent.
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>>25494677
>>25494695
Why do you use this site?
>>>/cm/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/mlp/
>>>/hm/
>>>/y/
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>>25494810
yikes!
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>>25494810
Why do you always conflate hatred of hamfisted political pandering with hatred of some pet minority?
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>>25494810
/mlp/ was reactionary; /lgbt/ and /hm/ are newfag boards.
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PKD was going to kill the screenwriter of the original BLADE RUNNER screenplay
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>>25494641
I like an offline version so I use Openreads. It is opensource as well.
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>>25494819
It isn't. You're upset that it exists and are pretending otherwise.
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>>25494826
He would have never tolerated Pedowood's bullshit.
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>>25494826
Kill seems like an exaggeration.
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>>25494833
It’s been retold but I heard he was going to jump on top of Jaffe.
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>>25494737
>There are probably privacy options to make it more private
I signed up for LibraryThing instead. It's partially owned by Amazon, which I'm not a fan of, but their privacy policy looked better.
Also it's not a web 2.0 garbage dumpster of a website. It's boomer core (that means "good").
>>25494828
>Openreads
Had a look at it and I can't even find someone as big as PKD. Maybe it's good if you want to add your books yourself, but it isn't quite what I'm looking for.
>>25494826
IIRC Scott told PKD he tried to read Androids but dropped it.
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>>25494826
>JAY COCKS
MOAR LIEK GAY COCKS AMIRITE!?
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>>25494842
Whichever works best for you.
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>>25494830
>if you don't like my book you're racist
No I simply don't care and I don't feel the need to cram it into my life any more than /qst or /cgl, and your book sucks because you're a bad writer.
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>>25494873
Persecution complex much?
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>>25493992
>Récits du Vieux Royaume short stories
You mean Janua Vera and le sentiment du fer?
Janua Vera happens (and was published) before gagner la guerre. There’s a story with the gagner la guerre MC which kinda spoils some things about the character so if I were you I would read gagner la guerre first then Janua Vera and le sentiment du fer.
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>>25492118
Colors of Chaos - The Saga of Recluce #9 - L.E. Modesitt (1998)

Colors of Chaos covers the entirety of the events in The Magic Engineer, and somewhat afterwards, from the Chaos perspective. The only overlapping scenes are those in which Cerryl was present. At 250,000+ words this is the longest book in the series, which makes up for the previous book being the second shortest at ~145,000 words. That's quite long and there are valid complaints about how much is accomplished during that time, but I didn't mind. I like it being a very immersive and vicarious experience of a life. For me it didn't feel bloated at all.

The story picks up right after the end of The White Order. Cerryl is a fully initiated mage now, though of course he's still doing various jobs. Over the course of the book Cerryl is a gate guard, patrol mage, assassin, investigator, city commander, and leader of the Chaos mages. I had thought there be more about he became known as the Great, but only his intentions are described in detail. The implementation is left to imagination at the end.

Cerryl is a Chaos/White mage, but what that means really becomes much more nuanced here. He tends towards Gray, as he has to for this story to work. Chaos is entropy, growth, individualism, energy, passion, and creative destruction. That's why Cerryl has a completely different ethos than the Order protagonists. For him, Chaos bound by Order is the highest good, for unrestrained Chaos destroys all. In D&D terms, Cerryl is very much Lawful Neutral for most of the book. That means he follows of the laws of Fairhaven, which are extraordinarily harsh against lawbreakers. Seemingly almost every crime is punished either by a life sentence of hard labor or immediate execution. The rationale is that everywhere else is far worse and the only way to preserve civilization is to oppress everyone for their own good. Therefore it is a noble and just pursuit for Fairhaven to take over the entire continent through war so their lives may be improved.

Almost of Cerryl's character development comes from gaining enough power to where survival isn't what he has to spend all his effort towards. He comes to believe that there surely must be a better way than literally invading other regions to take their resources and spread the Fairhaven way. To that end Cerryl educates himself, mostly on how trade affects diplomatic relations, and in a general sense to see how he could reform Fairhaven to benefit all of Candor.

There's also a character who has the same prophecy power as Ryba and tells of all the doom to come in the far future. Everything he says is correct as it's already happened in previous books. Unlike Ryba his prophecy isn't recorded for posterity. The characters believe him, which brings up the question of whether anything can or even should be done about it. After all, the future had already been written before the past has occurred, in a meta sense, if not actual.

Rating: 4.5/5
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>>25494887
>You mean Janua Vera and le sentiment du fer?
I didn't look up the name, I just read the blurb that mentioned some short stories set in the same universe.
>I would read gagner la guerre first then Janua Vera and le sentiment du fer.
Thanks, will do.
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I was digging through a pile of books the other day and found a bunch of Discworld books I don't remember buying, from Color of Magic up to Guards! Guards!.
I read Color of Magic and The Light Fantastic and really enjoyed them for what they were, silly people doing silly things in a silly fantasy world satirizing fantasy media, but after looking around on the internet and seeing people say stuff like "the first books of the series are total shit, the series really hits it's stride when it stops being a parody and starts making the plots about BITING and TOPICAL (for the 80s/90s) social commentary!" makes me...really not want to continue reading them in all honesty.
Even as satire I want the world to stay somewhat unique, not have everything be some stupid tongue-in-cheek wink wink nudge nudge analogue for real world shit, I feel like it cheapens it to the point it feels tacky.
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>>25494959
Many such cases. It's a bigly problem. They're calling it the worst cultural change ever.
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>>25494826
I had no idea Taliesin's dad wrote the Bladerunner adaptation. What level weeb am I?
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>>25494679
Damn.
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>>25494641
If you don't mind something local only and that is not only for books then check this one out https://github.com/FuzzyGrim/Yamtrack
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>>25494826
Makes sense. Bladerunner is overrated shit that appeals to literal bottom of the barrel retards.
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>>25494991
D&D isn’t weeb
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>>25494996
You will be forgotten like tears in the rain.
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>>25493928
Radix
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>>25493928
In this post Mr. Baynefriend shows off some of his ritualpost books, past and present.
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>>25494563
Read the first three Black Company books then consider it done. I loved the first three and then dnf the 4th book.
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>>25494413
Acclaimed isn't the same as good, sadly. Especially for modern books.
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I'm only 2 and a half hours into the audiobook of The Demon Star, but I'm struggling to maintain interest. The problem is that it has a similar vibe to two other stories I've read recently. Where you have someone who is part of an order that has ties to the way government functions. Though their order is kind of special, because of the powers they have. And this order works on behalf of the king to enact justices. But unfortunately, the order itself is corrupt, and not only that, there are people within the order who are good, but happen to be at odds with the king's rule. And the two main characters is a person who is high in the order, and then someone who works under them as an apprentice.

I literally just dropped a book with a similar premise, only to pick this one up. So I'm struggling to give it the level of patience it probably deserves. But I just to a part that reveals the main character as gay.(Or at least, bisexual) And that really took a lot of the wind out my sails. Normally I wouldn't mind a gay or bisexual protagonist. The Tainted Cup did it. And I liked that book. But I don't know... I'm just not in the mood for that shit right now.

The book is laying the groundwork for a conspiracy where the main character is caught in the middle. It might be good. Or it might just be another 16 hour world building slop that goes nowhere. I don't even know why I'm posting.
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>>25495021
He does D&D now?
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>>25495077
Why did you choose it as your current book?
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>>25495077
>It might be good.
It's not. You should drop it.
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>>25495086
Anon rated it a 5/5 a couple weeks ago. https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25451910#p25453048
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>>25495090
Have you read it? Or are you just talking shit.
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>>25493928
The self-published author: Brandon Sanderson.
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>>25495083
The main thing he does now is critical role and its spin offs, and I think it’s his main source of income.
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>>25495099
I did read it.
(spoilers)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25466794#p25470941
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>>25495143
Oh ok I always think of him as the Hellsing and video game guy.
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>>25495168
I don't open malware sites. Nice try glowie.
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Given that picrel has no novels (yet), and Warhammer 40k seems overwhelming given the number of books, is there any other literature sagas characterised by its over-the-topness in worldbuilding, fraction wars, and 'there is always a bigger fish' mentality?
Just want something to obsess over with
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>>25495236
Forgot the picrel part
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>>25495236
xianxia
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>>25495245
gesundheit
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>>25492507
Lynch is doing anything to avoid continuing the Gentlemen Bastards...
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>>25493505
>>25493429
Thanks, but I’ve read both. It’s funny, When it comes to mid century noir detective novels it seems like I discover a new hidden gem of an author every time I care to look, but it seems like I’ve completely mined out mid century sci fi
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>>25493378
Little Fuzzy
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Do not watch a decent show while you're reading a slow/boring book that has potential.
Worst mistake ever. You'll start comparing them, and how much the latter is worth investing any time into, over the former. Usually this problem never arises, because TV is typically so bad that books have no competition.
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>>25495413
This is why you're a LARPer.
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>>25495413
The Book Industry is bigger than the Television and Movie industry by the way retard
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>>25495414
What's he larping?
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>>25492507
Such potential in the setup, but the execution left me soft as a bowl of porridge

Once he about-faced on the initial premise and cast, the heist aspect was inherently neutered because he busted his proverbial nut too early. All the characters most exciting heists happened off screen in his past, and the mysteries they unveiled by the end of the book were trite, irrelevent, and ultimately kind of just a brief hill for the MC to climb to be proclaimed Pirate Ki- I mean Hoka- I mean King o Thieves n such

2/5, I can't decide if his editor should've stopped shaking him to death sooner or simply continued until he looped back around to writing something less urine stained
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>>25494889
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF
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>>25494118
>I'm pretty sure a couple are repeated towards the end.
No, they aren't you dense know-it-all moron.
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>>25494889
>>25495460
At this point, I'm convinced this is just samefagging.
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>>25495455
based the book is genuine shit
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>>25495455
Feels like you are judging the book by what you expected it to be instead of what it actually is. I guess it's fine, I also do that all the time, but I'm trying to catch when it happens to avoid preconceptions.
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>>25495472
So am I, me.
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>>25495495
You're right, I expected it to be good

Are you missing the multiple parts of my post where I pointed out exactly how the author undermined the strength of his own heist novel, the lack of meaningful resolution to questions that he spent hundreds of pages architecting the crux of the novel around?

Its not like I simply proposed that he wrote characters inconsitent to how I prefer them, or set them in the wrong time period or city

he fundamentally misjudged the conveyance of meaning in his book from page 1 to end. Thats death for any author, and he's lucky that in pieces, the book can still be partially enjoyable. It does not set an elegant transition into the clearly hoped for sequel, and it comes down to a typical hollywood style clusterfuck of wanting to maintain a fast pacing, while maintaining dramatic impact. Otherwise known as wanting to have your cake and eat it to

It stutters and bucks like a nervous horse in a ball pit, and just for the sake of novelty at some points
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>>25495239
What happened to this game? Are there some under the radar releases in Spanish? Has anybody played this game? /tg/ never talks about it.
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Defenestrate, tar-and-feather, castrate and gut pagespammer/bakkerspammer alive and then burn the corpse to cinders.
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>>25495554
there is a bakkerspammer?
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>>25495566
They're the same person
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Just finished Claw of the Conciliator. I have no idea what's going on.
What do you MEAN the climax of the book is a ten pages long play where I don't understand shit. What do you MEAN Jonas (literally WHO?? What happened to Dorcas and the Gang) is a ten thousand year old (????) cyborg. What do you MEAN Jolenta was the Waitress who made a deal with the devilish Dr. Talos, no wait, that was actually obvious and I saw it coming.

BUT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE GUY FROM THE WHOREHOUSE IN BOOK ONE WAS THE AUTARCH ALL ALONG????????
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>>25495627
You've been Pringle'd
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>>25495627
>>25495631
UHHHHMMMM... SWEATY!? LOOK AT THE OP "BANNED AUTHORS" LIST!?!? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW??????
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>>25495627
Sounds about right. Sword is better, and reveals some. Urth (#4) is basically one long explicit reveal but still left me with a feeling of "WTF was that?"

They're close in form to moderate difficulty literary fiction, for good or ill.
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>>25495657
>Urth (#4)
What happened to Citadel of the Autarch, did you just skip that one? LMAO
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>>25495635
Gomenasai OP-dono.... I have brought shame upon your thread
>>25495657
Can't wait to read the rest. I'm mindfucked, but it's good. None of it makes any sense, but it's all fucking awesome.

Questions on my mind:
1.) Are the Autarch and Vodalus actually fighting, is it some kind of game meant to break the stasis of the world?
2.)Why is there a black hole in the sun (one of the passages implied that's why the sun is dying I think) and how is the New Sun going to help with that?
3.)What the hell is up with the Conciliator
4.)Who are the giantesses that live in the sea, is Baldander a small one? They seem to serve some kind of chaoskampf-like sea dragon figure.
5.)Is Severian going to eat more dead people and add them to his unconscious? (WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE ATE THECLA AND SHE HAUNTS HIM NOW)

I'll read and find out.
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>>25495664
Lol I straight forgot about that one, they run together a bit and it's been a while.

Citadel is where the main reveals happen, not sword. Sword is probably my favorite of the 5, though, which is why i remembered the name first.

>>25495676
Definitely keep reading if it's clicking with you. It's certainly a unique ride.
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>>25495676
>3.)What the hell is up with the Conciliator
Boy is this one a doozy
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Chapter 12 right now and predicted everything would happen whene it get good?
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>>25495732
>I predicted everything!
Ok, but how did it make you feel?
>I don't understand the question.
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>>25495357
>wizard who may not be a wizard, surrounded by wizards during Wizard Spring Break
>there's a murder
>our suspicious wizard is on the case
>only 52 pages
The fuck. You can't sell me on such a silly premise and only write 52 pages.
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>>25495787
>doesn't understand the concept of a corporate cash grab
>doesn't understand the concept of short fiction
>doesn't understand much really and refuses to
What are you going to do with you, let alone why should we have anything to do with you?;
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>>25495802
I understand that you're a mouth-breathing cunt, and that's plenty enough :-)
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>>25495631
David Pringle is based. I have all his guides to SF, fantasy and horror.

>>25495787
>what is a short story?
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Threadly reminder to report and ignore newfag spammers like >>25495460 who purposely make off-topic inflammatory posts in bad faith and has attempted to prevent book discussion for four years running.
>>21323327
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>>25495810
XD
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Did anyone read The Bird That Drinks Tears? It finally got an English translation last year and it was hyped up as the Korean LotR. But does anyone have opinions on it?
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>>25495168
3/5 makes it sound at least not bad.
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are the sequels to Children of Time just as good? Local shop has all 3 hardbacks for 40$
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>>25495732
Already is
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>>25492403
I agree with 2>3>1. Isn't the 2nd arc 4 books with the 4th one to come in 2027? That's what's kept me from starting it.
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>>25495732
chapter 19 is when it really picks up, in my opinion. the initial parts are slow, but ultimately necessary to set up his character. second book is a lot better because it just jumps straight into the action.
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>>25495455
all real and true and I agree with. its also the fact that locke lamora is a retardedly ridiculous character that makes zero sense and the plot typically bends backwards for him
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>>25495550
>What happened to this game?
Mostly inactive
Author is producing videogames (picrel is in development) and thrice a year visit the official discord and organizes Q&A
>Are there some under the radar releases in Spanish?
A microsite has been open since some years ago and new supplement, albeit uncommon, are posted there
>https://www.animaproject.studio/eng/microsite
There were news that 2ed was almost finished, but that was announced around 2024; no news of progression had popped up since then
>Has anybody played this game? /tg/ never talks about it.
You need three-digit iq to play this game, let alone enjoy it, so /tg/ isn't going to touch it even with a ten-foot pole
Which is a shame, cuz the game is neat, all crunchiness considered
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That took me out of it for a second.
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>>25495732
4th book unironically.
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>>25496439
Thanks for the info, fren. I'll definitely read the rulebook soon. I've only skimmed through.
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Not giving up on this story, but the "This book is clearly part of a 7 book series so we have to drip feed information and developments at a snails pace" thing is really getting to me. Will probably take a break to read something else before continuing. I'm slowly realizing now too, that Chronicles of Amber actually has a similar problem, it just "feels" faster paced because its shorter
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It's bad enough that the characters arent interesting or complex, and that things develop slowly. But its stuff like this that is really frustrating. Because its clearly contrivance everytime the story has the main character pointlessly rationalize not telling another character who could know more something, but at the same time you have to rationalize the contrivance by virtue of "AHH maybe they will not like what I say" Alain actually got over this fairly quickly, not by his own virtue, but because another character took his silence as admittance. But in this case with Liath, its just nonsense. He already knows and suspects you can do magic, and that you are the generic specially chosened one magicks special secret magic race person from every generic fantasy. He also demonstrated more knowledge of things related to your past than you did. Youve also already shown him that you can do some magic, and that you are knowledgeable about these sort of things. There is zero reason to blueball the reader here, of what Wolfhere might do with this information to help the story progress, other than either:
1. The story truly cannot work if she tells him this, because it would either reveal too much for the reader that needs to be revealed in the 6th book of the series or because the story has to progress in a highly narrow way, either one is contrived
2. Wolfhere is being set up not to be trusted, exactly as the story keeps telling. Which is uninteresting because....the story keeps telling us that.
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>>25496915
Any book that's over 600 pages that claims to be part of a X part cycle isn't worth reading.
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Oh my god, how has it not killed itself yet.
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Just read "Car Sinister" by Gene Wolfe. Laughed multiple times.
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>>25497040
https://voca.ro/12yCsS9K0d6d
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>>25497101
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>>25497101
Based vocaroochad bullying spammertranny into an early grave.
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>>25497101
Kek
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>>25497101
I appreciate the commitment to the bit. But just like I'm not reading his long posts, I'm not listening to your 2 minutes and 40 seconds vocaroo.
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>>25497120
Didn't ask, tranny. Commit suicide. Now.
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>>25497120
Kill. Yourself. Buy a shotgun and some solid slug shells and blow your fucking brains out.

Do it now.
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>>25497120
riled up the newfag so much he replied twice lel
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>>25497131
Spammerbitch, I...
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>>25497122
>>25497129
>>25497131
>the attacker is also a lolcow
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>>25497133
Bakkerfag/pagespammer is a newfag and likely the one pissing himself as he normally does
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>Pagespammer talking to himself
We all know it's (You) posting all this shit, schizophrenic.
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Stop making these threads goddamn it.
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pagespammer really runs this general huh?
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>>25497040
This nigger has NO LIFE
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>>25497040
i'm new here. why are people overreacting to this post?
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>>25497159
We're sick of his shit
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>>25497159
>i'm new here
We know.
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>>25497159
Oh look, /wyt/ thread anon is here.
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>>25497152
Reading and thinking about the things you read means "no life" now?
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>>25497203
When you do it day-in-day-out every single day for years, yes.
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Why do we have people actively defending bakkerpagespammertranny nowadays?
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>>25497040
Why can't you just read the entire book and THEN come here to discuss it? Why does it have to be EVERY SINGLE PAGE? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>25497219
He hasn't posted nearly every single page in weeks possibly even months to be frank.
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>>25497226
Quit defending him.
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>>25497226
He went less than a week to be frank.
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>>25497040
>a bunch of words cause melty
Cam on anons, we are on /lit/.
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>>25497215
>"people"
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I don't typically read modern fantasy but I like the premise of this one. Is it any good?
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>>25497742
Are you aware that it's progression fantasy and what that means?
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>>25497751
What does it mean? Is it like a litrpg?
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>>25497742
Very LGBTQ+ coded cover.
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>>25497753
litrpg is progression fantasy, but not all progression fantasy is litrpg
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Aw shit I 'member when everyone couldn't stop talking about the """Bechdel test.""" What a throwback.
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I'm about halfway through and boy, is it boring.

Some dude gets forced into VR. He can't get out until he beats the game. He's got X days until his real body dies of starvation. Pain experienced in the game gets a 1.05 multiplier (who cares). Dying makes you lose experience points and more importantly, it makes you experience a lengthy death sequence where you're crushed and then cooked alive on a pile of screaming corpses. It's supposedly horrific, but it doesn't stop the MC from doing stupid shit.
How can we care about characters dying when said characters, despite what they say, don't act like they do themselves? Oh and by the way, getting hurt or dying in-game doesn't do shit to your real body, so the stakes are extremely low.

Let's talk about the MC. "Duke." I don't care about Duke. Dinniman doesn't take the time to properly establish him before throwing Duke's family drama in our face. He's drip feeding that shit, too. If you can't give the reader a reason to care about a character for who he is, giving him "family problems" won't make me care more. It's like a drunk in a bar going off about his bitch of a wife. I don't care, and I want nothing to do with you.

There are about 80 chapters in this book. I'm at chapter 40. Chapter 34 is the only one that gave me SOMETHING actually interesting about Duke's character.
The first third of the book is mostly characters going from point A to B with little to no hindrance. Wanna know when an antagonist actually shows up? Boy, I'm glad you asked! Chapter 25, so about 34% into the story. Jesus.

1/2
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>>25464650
Anon, I'm sorry, but the Amplification scene was garbage.
To everyone else I won't go into details, but it's supposed to be a really, really fucked up torture scene. When Dinniman first teased it, it actually made me grin at how over the top and goofy it was going to be, but Dinniboy didn't stick the landing.
It's like the man REALLY wanted to write something gory, but without the skills for doing so. So he backed out. I was actually dumbfounded at how poorly written it was:
>I would love to say my rescue came in the nick of time. The toes, the soles of my feet, my fingers, the palms. All of that was terrible, the worst physical ordeal of my life. I’d just love to tell you how I was saved the worst of it just as that little shit Victus pulled away my loincloth and grasped my left testicle.
>The chaos and ensuing destruction of Kinnegad did not happen in time to save my left testicle. Or my right one.
>It did happen, however, when my absurdly-long zombie penis was halfway through being inexpertly sliced in half like a hotdog being sheared by a blunt spork.

It's not the "quirky" tone that I dislike, it's Dinniman "reassuring" the readers by telling them the torture is almost over. He takes you out of the scene to baby you. And a few sentences later he goes:
>I fear I have already described too much of this process.
What the hell is even that? Fuck you, man. You can't tease a huge torture scene for several chapters and then go "eeerm, no that's too much, I can't say more!" He does describe it for a bit, but it's honestly very dry. It's actually amazing because what's happening to Duke IS fucked up, and we should be horrified for him. We should be disgusted. Instead it felt like I was reading a crime-scene report. Meh.

I'll finish the book, but rest assured I won't recommend it to anyone.

And to the DCC readers out there, here are two things you've read about in DCC that first appeared here:
- The Beautiful Place
- Dr. Metcalf (yeah, really)

2/2
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>>25497824
I purpose a different test, woman speaking test. If a woman speaks in a novel, it fails the test.
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>>25497894
>- Dr. Metcalf (yeah, really)
Probably his handler.
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>>25497910
No because that would still be making scifi about holes, which is what they want. You're writing a book about ontology and the nature of reality and holes have to be somehow considered in this discussion. Because the idea that men are ever not thinking about holes terrifies them.
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Trying to explain why I struggle to read these.

In theory they are good palate cleansers, short humourous action novellas in a setting that I usually like. Also I don't mind books written by women, some of my favourite are, have to mentions this because it seems a touching subject here.

Anyway, something about how this is written displeases me and makes me struggle to follow the story, when I try to think about it, it may be because it's too fast paced and there is no proper exposition to the universe. I also don't like how the murderbot just easily hacks anything, it's just too convenient and it is an artifice to make the story progress in the way the author intends.

I read the first 4, the 2nd was my favourite and I will probably stop now.
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>>25498201
>I read the first 4, the 2nd was my favourite and I will probably stop now.
Took you 4 to figure that out? damn resilient
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>>25498201
There's no overarching plot tying things together. She makes intimations there is one, but she's really just stringing simps along like a bad Patreon game.

The Apple TV show is unironically better.
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>>25498207
I thought the second one was decent, went into the third one expecting the same and gave another chance to the fourth one.
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>>25498201
I also read the first four. I started the fifth but stopped. The main story arc had completed with the fourth entry and I do have a million books in my backlog.
Yes he kills everything all the time and is a l33t hackz0r but these were just window dressing. The main draw is his voice. I'll pick them back up again sometime
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>>25497219
I can blog on 4chan if I want to
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>>25497742
he has big boobies
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>>25498375
4 u
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>>25497742
>Is it any good?
Premise about the author: Phil Tucker wrote several harem fantasy books under the alias of Mike Truk, which I read all of them.
So, when I heard he published his first non-harem smut, I jumped on it.
Result: I dropped it at a little more than half book.
The premise is the typical litrpg/progression book, has a generic story about fighting demon/devils, and the characters are reincarnations without memories of their previous lives that keep the fight on, until the day they win.
Like all the manhwa, manhua, japanese isekai/reincarnation/cultivation and so on, the story begins with the mc getting unjustly (maybe?) abandoned and left to die, to him getting to fend for himself in an hostile/unknown place, and the usual lucky chance/encounter getting him to be redeemed (maybe?) in the eyes of the others.
At that point, I dropped the book because I reached the point of intolerable boredom.
1/2
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>>25498476
The characters are nothing special, especially the male ones are either bland or completely forgettable, apart from Leonis, who seems to be the only vaguely interesting male character up until that point; this was a surprise for me, since I liked the male characters much more than the female ones in his harem books.
The MC is an empty slate, which make sense for the story, but feels less of a real person and more of a tool for the reader self inserting in the story.
The other MCs in his previous books felt like actual people BECAUSE they had a past, family, experiences... this one has none of them.
The author tries to make the female characters memorable, or even just likable, but it didn't work at all.
Apart from the one the MC met while he tries to survive, nobody left me any emotion or thought about them.
Maybe it's the powerlevel of the setting, but they feel less characterized than your typical Xianxia jade beauty Immortal that has lived trillion of years, at least until I dropped the book.
Honestly, I suspect he didn't want to be associated with his smut works, so he reigned himself in a lot, but everything suffered from it: the "cultivation" system is bland as hell, the characterization is even worse, the story was not interesting and I was incredibly disappointed by this book.
2/2
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>>25494677
However it does let you stop it from recommending LGBT books. Although that that seems to just make it spam 40k books as recommendations
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>>25498374
I'm hiring a hitman to track you down and kill you :^)
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As a person with a learning disability, what series would you recommend to me?
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>>25498834
Tell him to hurry up, I don't wanna be alive on Monday.
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>>25498497
None of those spoilers were necessary
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>>25497742
I liked the whole series so far. Fast paced, engaging plot and world.
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>>25498201
The Murderbot with a Heart of Gold Diaries. Not what I was hoping for. Mid. Dropped after 1.
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>>25498842
How disabled are we talking? Can you remember character names and factions and basic themes like like corruption and coming of age?
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Why are randos larping as me? Whatever I'm too tired for this shit
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>>25498921
Then go away and never come back.
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I read Solaris today
Very enjoyable
Ending was just ok but very interesting ideas throughout, excellent material for my imagination
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general question, but inspired by >>25498497
how do you make an MC not
>bland or completely forgettable
?
at least initially

I mean, Bilbo and Frodo are British trust fundies, as are Bingley and Darcy,
Paul Atreides, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are bog-standard scions of nobility with singular stated missions of defeating their hereditary enemies and securing their kingdoms,
Case and Molly Millions are career criminals

how do you quickly make your MC "interesting"?
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I think I'm turning into an REHfag, his stories are so cool, I didn't realize they had so much weird in them
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General so bad anons are literally having to post threads about specific scifi titles outside of it.

Grim.
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Pulls from a recent used book sale. Maybe not all to /sffg/'s taste but I'm happy with them.
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>>25499403
(You)re never going to read all of those books
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>>25499403
why do you need deadtrees of common stuff like this?
do you really love these novels so much that you want a paperback copy?
I know you probably got them for like a dollar each, but at this point in our modern society, the living space they take up is more expensive
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>>25499403
That Brave New World cover is fucking nonsensical.
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>>25499411
I won't lie, I've read 5 of the 10 pictured but I give copies of books I enjoy away to friends fairly often. I've cycled through 4 or 5 copies of Brave New World that way, and have done the same with various collections of Lovecraft's works.

Also at 2 bucks a book I can avoid feeling too bad over them sit on the shelf for an extended period, though I'm incredibly excited for The Drowned World.
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>>25499421
LIAR!
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>>25499414
Explained in my other reply but I give copies away to people quite frequently. I also transit daily and prefer physicals for reading + I don't feel too bad if they get damaged from being in my bag. A hardcover of some of these would be unwieldy.
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>>25499425
Drowned World, Perdido Street Station, Never Let Me Go, Cryptonomicon, and Altered Carbon are the ones that are new to me.
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>>25499418
It's a book that has suffered from shit covers more than most SF titles for sure.
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>>25499403
I thought about throwing my copy of the Necronomicon into the ritual but I figured it would seem performative since I never discuss the guy.
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>>25499428
>I give copies away to people quite frequently. I also transit daily and prefer physicals for reading
fair enough
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>>25492118
Analog is one of the greatest magazines there is.
dad started subscribing in the late 1930's
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>>25499124
I know whenever I come across my dead ex wife I'm shooting her ass into orbit
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>>25499457
I felt that way for a long time
Now I dont know
It wouldnt be her, though
And maybe thats better
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>>25498201
peak millennial slop
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>>25499403
start with the neal books
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>>25499515
Thanks for the recommendation! I've read Snow Crash but also have a copy of Diamond Age, which would you recommend next between that and Cryptonomicon?
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>>25499534
I really liked 2001, of you readn't it before, go for it.
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>>25499568
>readn't
can't tell if this is retarded or genius
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>>25499570
The new Shakespeare
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>>25499856
Rather Joycean, even.
>roadrun, past Barnes & Nobles, manymore book readn't afore
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https://thepulp.net/yellowedperils/2026/08/28/will-murray-1953-2026/
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>>25497101
Good one, really captures his whininess.
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>>25499856
>>25499865
Carroll
>complete with incel paedo tendencies
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>>25499499
>be fucking 40 years old
>boomers and gen x still play the fellow kids meme
>still have to pay for it
The worst part is normal millennials outside SEA will never be published. It's all communist psychopaths with rich parents and their coolies.
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>>25500158
has SEA become the DEI capital or something? why would that be? and why SEA and not China?
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>>25500158
Irrational resentment caused by delusions
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>>25500239
>has SEA become the DEI capital or something?
what
>why SEA and not China?
Because the whole region gives no fucks even if Japan and China are the only places a book is likely to pick up large Western distribution.

>>25500347
foid outed in 2 words
amazing
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>>25499430
Kazuo Ishiguro (SIC?) is always fantastic. He's what Gene Wolfe wishes he could be (nobel prize included).

Buried Giant is my favorite of his. My wife turned me onto him after she read one of his books in a college English class and then devoured his whole catalog (she doesn't usually go for sff).
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>>25498201
I enjoy them as pallete cleansers as you mentioned. There's a lot worse dumb fun millenialslop out there, far and away better than garbage like Schwab or Sanderson.
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>>25500414
>Because the whole region gives no fucks even if Japan and China are the only places a book is likely to pick up large Western distribution
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about
Could you please please explain it from the beginning?
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>>25500516
why are you replying if you don't understand anything in the post?
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>>25500524
because it's interesting and I want to know why
>normal millennials outside SEA will never be published
which implies that SEA millennials will, which sounds unbelievably strange to me
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>>25500530
>which implies that SEA millennials will
because they are
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>>25500560
name five
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>>25500562
ask ai to spoonfeed you the appropriate reddit posts
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>>25500572
>can't
Thought so.
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I just finished City Of Last Chances and feel stupid as fuck. I just can't get behind a whole book of characters who are all essentially unlikeable who don't seem to accomplish anything and the status quo doesn't change much or at all. The world-building was incredible and super unique, though.
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>>25500592
a certain somebody could have told you the problems with that book



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