Too Many Magicians edition>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious:>>25492118
>>25500680Moe Howard?
>>25500682Will be banned soon, thank you for bringing him to my attention.
Fuck yevFuck baynefag, who created this thread to try to enforce his "banned authors list" (he hates anything that isn't self published amazon slop)Fuck goodreadsgroupfagsFuck youreviewsareshitfagFuck antiyoureviewsareshitfag (possibly baynefag)Fuck pagespammerFuck bakkerfag
>>25500716Please refrain from discussing banned authors or rules regarding the discussion of banned authors.
>>25500708Remind me to kill you later.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcLs-nkmC2Q
I don't even hate Crown of Stars Book 1. I just have zero interest in continuing, I don't find the first book to be worth 6 more books, need to finish it today though. I've been kind of hoping this entire time that the ending changes my mind on that, but I might just be subconsciously out on any series longer than 5 books. I don't have enough of no life to bother with that, besides uninteresting/shallow things genuinely affect me differently than other people, its borderline unbearable.
>>25500708Chowder Head
Hell yea
If you pushed a button that killed every single person who ever posted in an /sffg/ thread absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
>>25500858Bakker would die
Found this books saga called Descent: Legends of the DarkApparently, it is based off of a board game and later an app game, a game which was cancelled not long agoIt picked my interest but I'm want to make sure I don't need to play the game to enjoy the novels or that it isn't some modern fantasy slop like current MtG, WoW and D&DHas anybody here read them?
>>25500872BASED
>>25500849Nah. Schwab is a shit writer.
Finally read picrel and it was intensely good. Perfect interweaving of grand themes within an enjoyable SF shell. Its musings on human nature are ever so slightly deflated by the fact that the inevitable nuclear apocalypse never actually happened irl , but it is a profound and beautiful novel nonetheless. It transcends genre fic - I would class it as literary fiction. You should all read this book.>>25500875I don't tend to trust any book adaptations of another medium. Especially for something like an app or a game. It will pretty much always just be marketing slop or world-building slop.
Will Bakkerfag ever stop bitching and moaning?: featuring the Hardy Boys
>>25500976we love catholicism
hello /sffg/I need your help.So I was talking about cyberpunk genre and then he tells me it is retrofuturism but I said it isn't but he said it was. so I go check what retrofuturism is and got confused. still don't understand what the fuck retrofuturism is and why cyberpunk genre is considered retrofuturism.I'd like some answers because I tried with an AI and the answers confused me even more. my take is cyberpunk =/= retrofuturism but I don't have arguments for that.so I'm asking you (I think thats the perfect thread where to ask since cyberpunk is first a book genre) if you can help me?
>I tried with an AIDo people REALLY? I don't think I've ever engaged with an AI in earnest since this whole gay trend started. I noticed that Google AI would give you five completely different answers each time you asked the exact same question and wrote it off as a useless dogshit tool. What the fuck is wrong with (You)?
>>25501201not the retarded anon below, but I just read books, i dont got an answer for this, its just words, look at the context for what people used the word for and extrapolate from there
>>25501207Zoomers and alphoids are retarded. It's only going to get worse from here on out.
>>25501217am not alpha nor zoomer>>25501211thanks very much anyway
Just think someone out there is having ChatGPT say "YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!" and believing every single word of it, lmao.
>>25501201your friend is retarded and you might be as well retrofuturism = art deco but space
>>25501222thats what AI told me when I entered:' I believe cyberpunk genre isn't retrofuturism'
>>25501228I think you're as well..>my friendwhich friend? lol
>>25501242>So I was talking about cyberpunk genre and then he tells me it is retrofuturism >HEin trying to decipher your ESL post I assumed you were having a conversation with a friend. Maybe I was too presumptions, but who can blame with the second grade English that you're using?
>>25501251anyway, can you help me please?
>>25501256No. Go away.
>>25501257no u first
Cyberpunk was invented in like, the buttcrack dawn of the 1980s. It IS "retrofuturism" at this point.
>bitch has been BEGGING me to read this book for months>even bought it for me>it's a sapphic romanceFUUUUUUUUUUCK just gonna slog through it to get some noggin
>>25501304just read a summary she won't know the difference
>>25501201It wasn't. Your friend is misinformed.
Recently I was considering rereading books from my childhood for nostalgia purposes and seeing what I'd think about them now. When I looked at what books would be suitable I soon realized there were very few that I had any desire to reread and fewer still that be worthwhile. I might read 3 or so, which is far less than I expectedThen I looked through series I've dropped wondering if there were any I could give another chance. Once again when looking at them I very little desire to continue them again. I dropped them for reasons that I have no problem with.Realizing this made be feel better and more content. There's no sense in having FOMO for what could've been. The past has already been decided. Even so, the idea came mind that perhaps I should give some authors another try. Why should I though? A new author has potential and authors I already like are generally safe choices.
>25501362Shut up, nobody cares.
>>25501367Why would I want someone to care? This is a posting into the void general. You seem to be in the wrong place.
>>25501397This isn't the /wyt/ thread.
>>25501401All generals function as such.
>>25501410Retard
>>25501414You have written your thoughts. This is a write your thoughts thread.
I miss the before times, before bakkerpig destroyed the general, when we actually discussed science fiction and fantasy literature.
>>255014222016 fucked up a lot of things but /lit/ was always a poor board.
>>25501422That's easy to pretend about because it wasn't that long relatively after it began that he started. You're just being performative about a time that never was.
>>25501424You didn't like the Tripcode era where a significant number of posters used one and posted incessantly?
>>25501430/sffg/ never had namefag or tripfag problems. And no tripfag was ever as obnoxious as post-2016 Anonymous.
I read this Solomon Kane novel. It was pretty decent. I liked it a lot more than some of Titan's other pastiche books.
>>25501451steve donoghue thinks ur a performative dudebro if u read solomon kane
>>25501428Oh look, newfag LARPING
>>25501428>it wasn't that long relatively after it began that he started>a time that never wasMake up your mind.
People thinking bakkerfag has been shitting up this general for longer than two or three years now are newfags who don't know what they're talking about.
>>25501491https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=Bakkerfag&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
I would beat other anons to get the first hit in on Bakkerfag.
>>25501497Wrong.
I genuinely, sincerely want to gut pagespammer alive with a dull, rusty machete
>>25501491We got archived threads that literally prove you wrong my dude.
>>25501504Bakkerposter https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=Bakkerposter&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=postBakkerspammerhttps://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=Bakkerspammer&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>>25501517Wrong. Wrong!
Visit one of the first /sffg/ threads, find a fun post, and bring it back.https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=&search_subject=sffg&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>IT'S THE EXACT SAME GUY! HE'S BEEN DOING IT EVERY DAY FOR FOURTEEN YEARS!!!You're legitimately insane if you actually believe this.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/631627296/#631668979
There is absolutely zero proof that pagespammer is in fact, bakkerfag.
>>25501521>K.J. Parker OP on the first /sffg/holy fucking based. Glad he's getting blowjobs from that Persian superfan slag
>>25501491Search "GRI" on warosu and you will see he's been here for around 10 years.
>>25501539why is that chick's nose all freaky
NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THIS THREAD HAS POSTED ABOUT BAKKER NOVELS, BUT ALL OF YOU ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT BAKKERSPAM. STOP THE "BAKKERSPAM" SPAM. THIS IS A THREAD TO DISCUSS SCI FI AND FANTASY. TALK ABOUT SCI FI AND FANTASY.THIS ISN'T A "WHINE ABOUT POSTERS ON SFFG" THREAD. ALL OF YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELVES IMMEDIATELY.
I crapped out on Bakker around White Luck Warrior and I've had absolutely zero desire to return to it or finish it.
>>25501544Kill yourself.
>>25501548you first, faggot
>>25501552Or? You gonna shit up another thread, Bakkerfag? You've done it for ten years.
>>25501539Is Savages by KJ Parker any good? Had the epub downloaded for awhile. The cover is so kino. the hardcovers all go for over $100 on ebay. I thought The Folding Knife, Belly of the Bow, and the Company were way too bleak story and tone wise but his british boomer autism makes them page turners. I heard Sharps is more lighthearted/swasbuckley
>>25501555You are schizophrenic. I only know who Bakker is through these threads because you keep screaming about Bakkerfag. The voices in your head are not real. You do not have a nemesis who stalks your favourite thread. You need to take medicine or you need to kill yourself. These are your two options to escape your diseased mind.
>>25501558>You are schizophrenicPOV: You are Bakkerfag trying to make a post without a 2016+ buzzword.
I’ve almost finished The Farseer Trilogy. Is the rest of the Elderling stuff any good?
>>25500976>I don't tend to trust any book adaptations of another mediumHad the hope it could be like early D&D novels; I did enjoy Drizzt's books despite considering the game kind of midI believe many think the same about WH40k novels but I haven't read those
>>25501422Well, I just finished a book and want to talk about it. Anyone else read this?Contact, by Carl Sagan. It was published in 1985 and takes place primarily from the 70s through the 90s. It follows the life of Ellie Arroway, an astronomer who participated in the search for radio signals from alien civilizations. It starts with her childhood as a very curious girl wanting to learn everything, to her experience in college as one of the only female students in science, to her time as a researcher when a signal is discovered. I won't say more on that, to avoid spoilers.The book has an optimistic outlook, unlike the other first-contact literature I've read. The world is able to set aside its petty differences and collaborate on decoding the signal, interpreting it, and embarking on megaprojects based off it. Global peace, nuclear disarmament, etc. Some things were not viewed positively though, namely the federal government.The religious and political implications of the message come up A LOT. Ellie has meetings with preachers and televangelists, one of which is actually decent. She has some reddit-level takes on religion that I assume come from Sagan but that goes away by the end.As for more superficial thoughts:The book dates itself with references to teletype machines and Cray computers going into the 2000s. Sagan didn't foresee the internet.The world powers were the Soviet Union and the US, with some cartoonish descriptions of the former that you need to look past.This book is also the hardest sci-fi I've ever read. As far as I can tell, all the science Sagan goes into on the signal is realistic, though would've gone over my head just a year or two ago. The later stuff in the book is obviously make-believe.Billionaires retiring to space stations so they wouldn't get arrested for all the bad shit they did was funny.3.5/5, a slow but enjoyable read.Earth first!
>>25501565You need to kill yourself. Nobody cares enough about you to devote ten years to stalking you. Your mother pretends you don't exist when she gets asked about her children. You have wasted years of your life on seething over a fictional person. This is your life. Eternally, KYS.
>>25501566Thoughts on Hobb having a fetish for cuckolding her man with his father?
>>25501536It was admitted here and archived posts demonstrably prove your newfag ass wrong.
>>25501586It’s not the worst foidslop I’ve read
>>25501458Well he's a retarded faggot then
>>25501539https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24514277#p24514435
>>25501539what the fuck. holy shit I remember randomly coming across this girl in my recommended. it was her video about falling out of love with red rising, that was basically the only uncritical perspective on the series which convinced and affirmed my dismissal of the series forevermore
>>25501537this is also very obviously true
Did Cherryh get worse as a writer from the '70s to the '80s or was it just Morgaine that suffered? I read the original trilogy in a week but I've been stuck on the distant sequel for a month and it's just painful to get through.
Archivefags are insufferable
Spammers are insufferable
>>25501676pagespammer is cool thread is honestly boring asf when he not talmbout dem pages i aint read
>>25501694Quit talking about yourself, pagebitch.
>>25501304It’s clearly important enough to her that she bought you a copy. If you care about the person give it a shot.
>>25501304She's suggesting an FFM threesome.
>>25501304Been there. Have you had to read 4th wing yet? That shit sucks
>>25501745My last girlfriend bought my the first four DCC books for Christmas. I thought they were complete and total _fun_.
>>25501760Never in my life would I expect a certain coworker to approach me about reading after years of working with him. He told me he picked up DCC and was loving it. That's when I knew Matt Dinniman probably owns a yacht now.
>>25501770Client of mine is a woman in her 70s. Last time I saw her she said her 14yo grandson was reading DCC to her for family time. Funny, but also what the christ.>That's when I knew Matt Dinniman probably owns a yacht now.Say what you will about litrpg slop, but making money as an author is nearly impossible and this dude has bestselling books, a comic, multiple spinoffs, a radio drama, a TV adaptation, and merch out the ass. Guy I know is a published sci-fi author and he could never dream of making a living with his book sales.
>>25501770He was making at least 5 figures a month, as of a few years back. I don't think six figs is unreasonable.https://warosu.org/lit/thread/22233483#p22234648
>>25501304I don't like it when people buy me books. Or games. I get annoyed enough when they tell me to check something bout but I can usually keep saying I never get to it. When they actively buy me something I appreciate the sentiment but now I feel obligated.
What is DCC about?Besides prose, how does it differ from LOTR? At least the Moria bit?
>>25501797Try having an expensive hobby your friends know nothing about.>"Oh anon I know you like [thing] so I bought this for you!">Your [things] are pushing four figures and are bought after months of searching obscure classifieds sites and collector forums>The [thing] your friend bought you was $6.99 from WalmartI mean I totally appreciate "it's the thought that counts" but holy shit stop filling my house up with trash. I really miss dating extremely smart, observant women when it comes to gift giving time. Last girlfriend was giving me mechanics tools I didn't even know existed.
>>25501815it's litrpg
I read more than everybody I have ever met and I simply do not go into detail about books IRL anymore. When I was in grad school, I knew a girl and had the chance to glance at her bookshelf, which was typical Harry Potter + Maas + other romantasy shit (grown ass woman in her 20s) and the only other girl before that I met reading was Name of the Wind. I remember audibly scoffing at her lol bless my autism
>>25501815>What is DCC about?Earth is laid waste and survivors get sucked into a hyper-capitalist alien Running Man type game run by an AI that's programmed with the worst of internet pop culture. Main character is a dude who gradually becomes a terrorist as his actions inside the game wreck the universe and the AI gets a bit out of control.>Besides prose, how does it differ from LOTR? At least the Moria bit?Nigga what. I can give you a serious answer but holy shit read a book.
>>25501824It was weird, I knew a girl who was terrifyingly smart but she grew up in ass crack nowhere and her parents were retards. When she came to my house she said it was the first time she'd seen another person with a lot of books.
>>25501832>terrifyingly smart butcluster b is a helluva drug
>>25501831Oh i had no ideaQuite different from what it sounded likeThanks
>>25501796Oh neat, you remembered I posted that.
>>25501544it's like this in every general. it becomes less about the actual topic, and more about discussing resident schizo number 2387812938 that probably hasn't posted in the thread in months but for some reason is mentioned every single day. i guess a lot of people just use 4chan as their socialization replacement and they get para-socially attached and treat the thread like a quasi friend group chat. they might complain about "bakkerspam" but in reality, they really miss their buddy and they're just trying to summon him.
>It's a peculiar feeling - writing the introduction for your own book.>I assure you that it's fantastic - it's my book after all, I'd be an idiot if I claimed otherwise.Paraphrasing.Based Cahill. Buying the other 2 for sure.
>>25501328thanks. (not my friend tho), do you mind telling me the arguments on why it isn't please?
>>25501201If it looks like Flash Gordon, it's Retro FutureIf it looks like BladeRunner it's Cyberpunk
I suspect I could probably read Dungeon Crawler Carl in under five minutes. What does this say about its quality?
>>25501979That it induces delusional and mentally ill suspicions in the (likely) already predisposed to mental illness
>>25501972thx. I was right
>>25501979>What does this say about its quality?Nothing. Says a lot about you, however.
Would you read this with your 10 year old?
have you read all 130 volumes of guin saga?
>>25502098No?
Reading "the Expanse" scifi series and it already fell off in book 2. Also what's with all the pajeets in the story? Haven't seen this many in a single book since River of Gods
>>25502103you go?
>>25502119It's mostly martians, authors thought that, for some reason, two biggest ethnic groups would obviously be the most represented in a new world, not accounting for other factors beside the raw headcount.
>>255015663 books of the MC being bullied, suffering and being cucked wasn’t enough for you? You need more?
>>25501982therapy has not made you less crazy
>>25501789>Say what you will about litrpg slop, but making money as an author is nearly impossible and this dude has bestselling books, a comic, multiple spinoffs, a radio drama, a TV adaptation, and merch out the ass. Guy I know is a published sci-fi author and he could never dream of making a living with his book sales.DCC is hacky as fuck so it's not surprising. Man did his research and made the lowest possible barrier to entry urban fantasy world.It's not unentertaining, but in terms of things people who care about speculative fiction value like character growth, insight, originality, ... it's pretty bad.
>>25502231>speculative fiction valueLol
>>25502231>DCC>urban fantasy wat
>>25501967Cyberpunk means many things and has changed over time. The reason why it isn't retrofuturism is because it superimposes concerns, whether past or present, on a future. Retrofuturism intentionally is anachronistic and is closer to alternate history. It looks at the past and asks, "What if it had gone this way instead?".
>>25502351I see thanks. I donnt like that every retrofuturitic fans want to put every science fiction genres into their retrofuturism theme
>>25502330It takes place on current year Earth, for one.
>>25501201Retrofuturism is an engineering term for things designers in the past thought people would need in the future but are now useless legacy crap you have to support forever. In literature it means intentionally playing off how people in the past imagined the future would be.Cyberpunk is basically just Bladerunner aesthetic.
>>25502330they did have that entire floor that was just cuba
>>25502355If someone creates something that is based on how people saw the future in the 1980s in 2026, then that would be retrofuturistic. Cyberpunk can now be retrofuturistic in the sense if it asks, "What if the future that they imagined had actually come to pass?" That's a very different speculation than from "How will the present affect our tomorrow?"
>>25502363>>25502369I hope you're intentionally being idiotic rather than being this ignorant or disingenuous. DCC is nothing like say The Dresden Files.
>>25502374Yeah there's a lot less latent homosexuality than Dresden Files
>>25502371>>25502365thanks very much, you can rest now, I won't ask anymore
>>25502374>if you disagree with me, you're <name>Excellent conversation.
>>25502392You're not interested in conversation.
>>25502374>The Dresden FilesWho caaaaaaares.
>>25502407ya schlock is serious business
>>25502407>>25502408Again, this shows no interest in conversation.
>>25502411Shouldn't you be snorting coke off an underage hooker's tits or something Matt?
>>25502411Nobody's trying to have a conversation with (You). We hate you.
>>25502415We've come to an agreement.
>>25501527go back to tiktok
>>25502429Never used tiktok a day in my life, zoom-zoom.
>>25500722Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe
>-oom>instant last word to every replyAw shit, it's a newfag!
>>25502477It took you waaay too long to come up with such a lame ass rebuttal. Consider suicide.
>>25502481>newfag thinks an observation is a rebuttalTake a nap. You're cranky, Bakkerfag.
>>25500875It looks like a wannabe WoW. Maybe the lore is less gay though. You should read it.
>>25502477>>25502501Why are you calling him a gigachad?
modern fantasy>humans with swords work, guns don't>magic counters even regular humansMeanwhile in reality>the classic art of 'throwing a lot of weight at a high speed' is the most consistent way to intentionally kill a man. >anything relating to chemical, thermal, electrical, biological, atmospheric, radioactive, ect, ect is a gamble unless in particular conditionsimagine if wizards were hard countered by a hazmat suit.
>>25502540There's too much wrong with this for me to seriously reply.
>>25502548You're not interested in conversation.
>>25502548Yup, it's retarded.
>>25502540>>25502548>>25502588NTA but I dont even know what you retards are on about in the first place.
>>25502550You don't even realize that you're responding to me with my own post.
>>25502593That's exactly right. See, you do understand.
>Wizards have the ability to create opposite-sex clones of themselves>And yet not a single wizard uses one as their personal sex slaveHow did Jack Vance miss such an obvious plot hole?
Guns are neat. Are there any fantasy stories with guns?
>>25502622The Jon Shannow trilogy.
>>25502618The problem is they're both wizards so they would kill each other or fuck a hole in spacetime or something. Rhialto had a magical fairie harem iirc.
>>25502628You're thinking of Dying Earth. The clones in Lyonesse have no magic unless taught by someone else, it's a plot point in the first book.
>>25502631Unless they find any of the magical resources their master has strewn about the fuckpad. Because that would totally never happen in a Vance story. These wizards may be full of themselves, but they know what kind of prick universe they're in.
There's something strange going on here right now.
Consistently the worst threads on 4chan, congratulations.
>>25502650what makes you say that?
>>25502658(You)
>>25502665why?
fuck every single one of you redditors not a single meaningful discussion of a literary work someone brings up a book and some other filth shits on it
>>25502677This is engagement bait rather than a sincere expression of emotion.
>>25502677It's your fucking fault, pagebitch. YOU did this.
>>25502677Pagenigger, you consider having Claude ape your own opinions back at you meaningful discussion. That being said, this thread is pretty shit this week
>>25502650>>25502677Feel free to kill yourself, pagebitch.
>>25502680>>25502692>>25502697you dumbasses cant even tell the pagespammer larpers from the real anymore its sad, just nuke the thread im tired of this bullshit
>>25502706You're clearly the one that keeps making them, pageclunge. You've thoroughly reaped what you have sown, bakkerpiggy. Hope it was worth it, you fucking twat.
>>25502706>my personal feelings override all others
When I want to read a fantasy novel, I want the world to be coherent and free of "wacky" elements. Ideally, I’m looking for something like *The Lord of the Rings*, where the world is well-ordered and makes sense—much like in Glenn Cook’s *The Black Company*. I’m afraid that with other fantasy authors, I’ll end up disappointed because their worlds turn out to be just too wacky.
>>25502786What does "wacky" mean?
>>25502786>where the world is well-ordered and makes senseRead historical fantasy
>>25502786nothing makes sense in the black company though. you don't make sense
>>25502786So let me get this straight... You want a realistic down to earth story, that's completely off the wall, and swarming with magic wizards, evil, cursed invisibility rings tied to ancient evil entities and fantastical creatures?
>>25502792No women or non-whites in leading roles.
>>25502805The white men must have the correct beliefs.
>>25502786
>>25502786lol
>>25502814>>25502810>>25502804>>25502801>>25502794>>25502792I don't want modern writing in my fantasy. if there's dark elves, it's ok, but if every character the hero encounter are black humans, it will tickle (no am not racist)
>Dark elvesBehead all D&D troons
>>25502831Modern people write in modern ways. That's just how it is. Your only choice is to read books that predate what you believe to be modern.
Ahhh, yes... "Science Fiction & Fantasy General.. The place has become a byword for "insufferable, schizophrenic faggot"
>>25502848>>25502835GOOD MORNING SAARS!
>>25502856Case in point
>>25501304>sapphicWhat? It's got gays, not lesbians.
By the way after The Expanse I am never trusting another famous author's endorsment again.
>>25502876No one cares about you, pagetranny. Stop posting.
>>25502889whats up with this guy? he hates too much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26_IsLOGYX8>Taking two hours to explain what Alex Jones could explain in 3 minutes (www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKm4ueVuxpY)but hey, at least he explained how star wars is about capitalism = le bad and fully explained hyperspace trade routes
>>25502903I'll be right as rain the day you fuck off (or die) whichever comes first.
>>25502908>Alex fucking Jones actually remembers the name of the Trade Federation leaderlmaohe's wrong about AOTC though. there were no "terror attacks all over the galaxy" at the start of AOTC.how could he not understand this? very simple.
>>25502810Gottem.
>>25502805Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God, anon.
>>25502921>he's wrong about AOTC though. there were no "terror attacks all over the galaxy" at the start of AOTC.Doesn't AOTC open with an attempted bombing of Queen Amidala but she has a body double so she lives?
>>25502903Get a job, pagebitch.
>>25502926So is this website.
>>25502941that's not a terror attack, it was specifically a targeted assassination against Padme, who was going to vote against the formation of the Galactic Republic Army, which was being formed because of Dooku's CIS secession movement.yes, the army which ended up saving her ass at the end of the movieand which ultimately ended up killing all the Jedi, and indirectly her as wellLucas loves cruel ironya terror attack is aimed at the general civilian populace to demoralise them in support of a political goal. killing Padme had clear strategic advantages. besides, the Trade Federation was on the side of the CIS, so they could ostensibly have a revenge motive.
>someone suggested I use netgalley to try and find more indie authors>first one I try is garbage>still have a decade's worth of books I want to read alreadyWhy am I like this? Is it the Jews?
>>25501546Same.
>>25502848That's every general on this site besides maybe the various AI gen smut ones.
>>25502876Did you finally drop the book or finish it?
anyone who's read a lot of cyberpunk books? which one would you recommend for sure?
>>25503071he dropped the series after the first book last week
>>25502848Bakkerfag does have severe mental disease.
>>25502903We ALL hate you, I know you haven't noticed because you're severely autistic to the point of hilarity.
>>25503075Neal Stephanson is your only real option anon.
>>25503075Greg Egan is your only real option anon.
>>25503020No, it wasn't the Jews. It was Yev. It's always Yev.
>YevSounds jewish
>>25503218Yevgeny is a common Russian masculine given name (derived fromthe Greek Eugene)
>>25503229His username is Yevolem.
>>25503229>RussianSo definitely a Jewish, gotcha.
>>25503230In Catalan "volem" means "we want". Ye means "you". The name means "You we want". What a narcissist!
>>25503083Did he? I told him to drop it and he keep reviewing it. He doesn't seem like the type to drop a novel even if he dislikes it. I think he might have some form of OCD.
>>25503020It was probably more a statement that there are indie books, not a suggestion to use it. Indie authors are generally garbage and you probably choose something obviously bad.
>>25503231The spirit of Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin has disfavored you.
>>25503253Yevhenii Khmara is far greater.
Would having moderation be better than what we currently have?
>>25503253Moar like, Dedgeny Necrorovich Corpsegozhin
Finally finished. Maybe the first book I've read so far where I couldn't find any major problem besides some surface level tropes. It was just not interesting whatsoever. Characters weren't interesting, basically void of any thematic content aside from "A universe where women are considered as valuable as men and people pray not only to a Lord but a "Lady"" Its basically pulling that "mother nature...is female because women literally create life!" and it also implied that inheritance through the female line has a precedence over the male line, because at the very least a woman can confirm that a child is hers with more certainty than a man. Obviously something is wrong with this, since real life also has access to and understanding of all these facts, and despite that there are almost zero matriarchal, or even dual matriarch and patriarch (depending on your perspective) large scale societies. And inheritance from the male line has generally been more valued, so theres something the character who said that is missing, a complexity about reality its ignoring, to make that claim. But its really just one page, its hardly forced or contrived, and I can imagine somebody believing that perspective, the same way I could imagine somebody believing there must be a creator, even if I think both perspectives are stupid even with an ounce of sufficient thinking applied.Its kinda sad. I have no real reason to stop reading the series, but I have no reason either to keep reading. Like I said, the characters arent interesting, and theres like, no theme or point at all yet. The narrative and plot is clearly the most important part of the story, revealing what the deal is with our main featured characters and the history of their world.So my theory is that the reason I dont want to keep reading, is because Ive subconsciously realized that the reason the book isnt interesting is because it can only offer so much, being book 1 of 7 books.Makes me understand much more why the characters themselves in game of thrones could be such a value for some people. It is very very hard in my opinion to write a story, purely about the plot, without interesting characters or themes. And its even harder (annoying to read) to write a story thats too strongly about themes that doesnt come across like the author is jerking themselves off and forcing their perspective to be right because they can write it to be right (Sun Eater, Second Apocalypse)
>>25503020>Is it the Jews?Do you really have to ask?
>>25503289your """page reivews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>25503289It's time for BotNS, pagefreak
>>25503242>He doesn't seem like the type to drop a novel even if he dislikes it.I dropped the series not the book. I've only dropped 2 books so far. One was the last book of a series who I'd grown tired of waiting to make an actual point that engages with the problems it set up. And the other was....Wolfblade, featuring a whiny 2000s teenage girl in a fantasy setting who is clearly set up to "rise from naive...to competent" and I hate that trope its almost always contrived, and rarely truly considers how difficult it is to change and grow, so they often have to imbue their main characters with absurdly convenient qualities that make that a breeze. I will not accept TV level tropes. Even anime I can tolerate for long enough, but TV tropes are a unique type of shallow.
>>25503307I will be doing First Law next. Then Engineer Tirlogy, and how I feel after both of those will determine whether I one day finally decide to read A Song of Ice and Fire. Dune is for November/December. ASOIAF will likely be next year, if im convinced its worth it.
>>25503313What about the political philosophy?
>Bakkerfag managed to trigger antireviewfaggotta love when another shitposter recognizes a greater threat
Tried to get into Valdemar series and read the first novel (picrel)I'm not particulary impressed, both fmcs didn't give off any memorable trait beyond their abilities; the swordswoman barely partook in any fightDon't think I will keep reading this onealso, why is this author so obsessed with rape?
Done.The second half was much better than the first half. I still maintain that the stakes are too low for anyone to really care about the story, though.Still, it's got its moments.While the first part of the book is a real slog, the second part manages to find a decent rhythm. Duke (the MC, if you've missed >>25497889) FINALLY shows some character, and Dinniman FINALLY does some world-building.I liked the ending.2.5/5
>>25503279Without a doubt.>>25503333Checked.Sounds pretty bad, desu. Do you regret reading it?
>>25503313>First Law next. Then Engineer TrilogyYou can safely skip these.
>>25503333>I liked the endingI would cross the road to avoid you. I liked it but didn't like it and I don't think I was supposed to. Now go google the 'extended' audiobook ending.
>>25503342>Do you regret reading it?Nah. While I think it could have been a lot better, it wasn't "awful" either, or I would have dropped it.Still, I find it incredible that in the end, Dinniman's gory VR game is less dangerous than fucking Sword Art Online.
>>25503315Theres does not seem to be any good political fantasy I can find yet. All the fantasy I've encountered makes political history seem boring, if you've never read (or watched) political history.
>>25503362why.
>>25503379I thought you meant you'd be reading nonfiction political philosophy in a resumption of your previous philosophy reading.
>>25503383Ostensibly subversive quippy modern fantasy does not need to be read.
>>25503386when I've given up that's what will be done.
>>25503376>I liked it but didn't like itMake up your mind, anon!>'extended' audiobook endingHe goes to Canada, doesn't he? I'll check it out tomorrow. Why do readers get cucked out of the extended ending, though? That's a pretty shitty thing to do to your audience.
>>25503395>>25503383Engineer trilogy (unlike most Parker) is neither quippy nor subversive. It's a good story told straight, with a smart but not quippy or millenial-core protagonist. It's proof that Parker is capable of much more than quippy slop, in fact.
>>25503413Something like that. There's a reddit post where someone explained the additions.>That's a pretty shitty thing to do to your audience.Agreed. I don't know why he did it. The ending even involves one of Jenk's kids, who is one of the MCs of Dominion of Blades.
>>25503416the first book is titled like a bdsm novel
>>25503419>reddit postFound it. Goofy as shit. I don't like it. >one of the MCs of Dominion of BladesIt took me until the end of K:BS to realize DoB was another book series of his, even though I looked it up back when I was reading DCC. Since Dinniman is clearly GRRM'ing DoB, I think my mind decided to forget about it.
>>25503075Snow Crash is fun probably the peak. Also read Ghost in the Shell if you read manga.
>>25503441>Goofy as shitAgreed there.
>>25503424And?
>>25503395>muh subversiveAbercrombie's a fucking fag, but you're even faggier.
>>25502540>imagine if wizards were hard countered by a hazmat suit.Sounds retarded
>>25503466ostensibly subversive does not mean subversive. Learn to read.
>>25503075Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams
>>25503424You're not wrong. But book and its cover and all that.
>>25503520ntaI disagree. How anything chooses to present itself is very important. Whether it's a person, book, movie, video thumbnail or anything else.
>>25503549utter subhuman retard.
>>25503549Woman-coded post
>>25503289I'm gonna let this slide today pagespammer. I'm having one of the best days of my life today so I'll spare you my ire :^D
>>25503566>>25503569Taking a shower won't kill you, guys.
>>25503585Yeah that's what they said at Auschwitz
>>25503589And they were right there, too.
>>25503379Foundation>>25503075Neuromancer
>eatingHam with black eyed peas.>reading Death Gate Cycle #6>playingNeopets/Guild Wars
>>25503585The acid shower scene in Zero Time Dilemma was brutal.
>>25503585Took one last night.What now, bitch?
>>25503605Stop. We do not talk about banned games.
>>255036112022>I will never stop being mad that ZTD exists.https://warosu.org/lit/thread/20528207#p20531374Yes, I know.
>>25503577nice, have a good day
>>25503646That's only one of the more recent though. Your first complaint seems to be from 2016, before it was even released. I know who you are.
>>25503595Foundation by who?
>>25503646Any popular sff books with always-present offscreen antagonists?
>>25503661>by who?Did you even try to look? Your knowledge is severely lacking.
>>25503665There's a head on a pole behind you.
>>25503669Oh its that thing that was turned into an apple tv show
So far not feeling The Blade itself
>>25503678You never do.
>>25503674>Lord of the Rings? I think it was a movie sometime before I was born. I've never heard of it otherwise.
>>25503678You won't until it's too late.
>>25503585>Falling for the showerpillI pheromonemaxx before associating with females.
>>25503678Yeah, it's a very negative book.
>>25503761Irony poisoned
Is The Blade Itself notoriously slow to start?
>>25503805Yup. Pretty much nothing happens until the final chapter(s).
>>25503807Even then, the whole climax is a wet fart.
>>25503807>>25503820I'll probably finish the first atleast but it seems maybe Engineer Trilogy will have to be the last hope
>>25503868Verily, I say unto thee: thou shalt never know the joy of a good book, nor shall thine thirst for one ever be slaked. For what you wish for, does not exist; what you come across, thou shalt not finish.For the crime of being beyond salvation dost I lay this curse upon thee.
Whats the actually point of reading fiction. Isnt it easier to just watch scifi I dont really get the attraction.
>>25503689Years ago I was watching a random (bong) show where two late teens had this little exchange:>A: it's just like Lord of the Rings!>B: Lord of the Rings?>A: Oh, they're some old movies my father likes to watch.Pissed me off.
>>25503894Ssometimes it is. Especially post-2009 goyslop publishing. Annihilation and Murderbot are better in their TV adaptations.Making good adaptations is hard though. Only so many books will ever get them, and most will be pretty straightforward. If a good director wanted to make a serious run on Book of the New Sun it would take them 10 years and probably a billion dollars, and 50/50 it would come out like shit anyway. Just read the book.
>>25503894Has there ever been a work of literary nonfiction that was 100% factual? Sometimes even historians and scientists get things wrong or make things up.
>>25501660I think it's just a failure mode she gets into when things get too psychological without enough action or politics to keep things grounded. Goblin Mirror (1992) had similar problems, but Cyteen (1988, like Exile's Gate) was much better.
>>25503595Foundation is the least plausible bullshit pretending to be heavy scifi. It's like The Da'Vinci Code for futurism.
>>25503894It's a different medium with different strengths and weaknesses.
>>25503289>pulling that "mother nature...is female because women literally create life!" and it also implied that inheritance through the female line has a precedence over the male lineThat would be an instant drop for me. Too immersion-breaking and nonsensical.>>25503309Why did you finish reading it, did you think it would get better and redeem itself? That almost never happens.
books for this feel?
>>25504403Mishima's Confessions of a Mask
>>25504407that's not fantasy
>>25504408It's just as gay as fantasy.
>>25504286Inheritance via the female line is the logical choice, though. The family always knows who the mother is.
>>25504424I'm wise to your tricks.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism
>>25504286>Why did you finish reading it, did you think it would get better and redeem itself? That almost never happens.I finished it, because I usually finish books, and want to make sure somebody can't go "You didnt see this!" or "You didn't consider this detail!" when I criticize it. Holden is a bad character and so is Miller. The entire crew is bad and shallow. I am 100% sure they get more attention and focus in the later books, but I am also 100% sure they get zero depth, because of how the first book addressed complicated questions and discussions. The way they represent the "bad guys" and the way Miller solved their pronlem by the end was just contrived retarded simplistic bullshit. Neither made any sense whatsoever, it was quite literally a Deus Ex Machina "The super duper space alien thing can conveniently manifests the dead girl's consciousness, and only her, for arbitrary reasons, and Miller, whom has never met her in her life and barely actually knows her, convinces her to not listen to the super duper space alien biomechanism protocol and avoid crashing into earth" Its literally fucking retarded. It doesnt even bother to try to set this up in anyway or justify it. This was really the red line for me, when I saw that it didnt even care to make solving its problem anything more than a plot device.Its too easy to expect something to not write characters well, to not deal with moral problems well, because of how most people are and understand things. But to break your story with contrivance is just taking the easy way out, its like an explicit statement of "I AM SCARED OF COMPLEXITY, SO I WILL GIVE THE SUPERFICIAL IMPRESSION OF COMPLEXITY WITH STAKES AND DRAMATICS"
>>25504582I believe that you dislike appeals to emotion.
>>25504403Some gay retelling of mythology
>>25503894Typical /lit/ poster.
>>25504220It doesn't and isn't.
>>25504020Facts can't be trusted.
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Found Pre Foundation for cheap at a GoodwillShould I bother with its chronological order or try to find Foundation first before reading Pre?
>>25504694Publication order is almost always best.
Is the series actually good or is it a meme? I'm almost done with pic rel but I'm not very impressed so far. Does it get better in the later books?
>>25504715We are not allowed to talk about this author.
>>25504715It's mid. Pretty much every theme explored in the book is better done somewhere else and afaik the author dropped the series without a conclusion. First 3 books aren't bad though.
>>25504715It's pretty crap, written by a pseud, and is shilled here by one very autistic discord nigger.
>>25504715Next Book is the worst one.
>>25504858You sound resentful
>>25504889The statement of plain facts sounds like resentment, to you?
>>25504858I yearn for the days before the Semantic Apocalypse.
Pagebakkerbitcher really does think "you sound resentful" is a scathing, damning, dismissive takedown. He really does envision himself as the coldhearted badass anime character who pushes their glasses up on their nose as the light reflects on them like a blinding light.He may just be the single most pathetic human being I've ever encountered in 35 years.
>>25504715I's three to four books too long and takes far too long to get to the climax that it keeps baiting you with throughout and then pulls a Rian Johnson/Shayamalan tier "expectation subverting twist" towards the end that is really fucking gay and lame and its follow up series "The No God" will never see the light of day so in the long run, reading it is pretty fucking pointless. It's also full of cuckoldry and other sexual degenerate bullshit.
>baynefag is still schizophrenically pretending bakkerfag and pagespammer are the same person
>>25505058The bakker posts fall off or disappear entirely when pagebitch is doing his thing and vice versa. I recognize a pattern when I see one.
>>25505058I agree with you.>>25505069https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
>>25505093Nah, he's been at it for a looooong time. It happens every single time. You're coping right now.
>>25505099No, pagespammer is just some guy who started posting near the beginning of the year.
>>25505110D'AWWWW... You're so naïve!
>>25505114Ok, what caused him to change his posting style, active times, and overall behavior?
>>25504715It’s great
>>25505123Boredom with the established bit? Multiple personality disorder? I have a few theories.
>>25505136I think it's just because you've done the same so you assume it happens more often than it does.
>>25505123You'd have to ask him, but given his personality he will never give you a straight answer, but it is a fact he has fundamentally altered his posting style and activity in the past, and even succeeded in fooling people into thinking he was a different person for a while, before he eventually screwed up and revealed his identity. After the 3rd time he did this, I stopped giving "new" shitposters and thread schizos the benefit of the doubt, and just assumed it was his latest persona, or whatever he thinks he's doing.
>>25505143It's all Yev. Always has been. Always will be.
>>25505140>>25505143Also applies to this post. Whichever one.
>>25505058>schizophrenicallyOne of us will find you, Bakkerfag. :)
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25235479#p25240957I thought bakkerfag gave up. Guess it didn't last very long.
>>25505149I've never had to alter my posting style when posting here because I have no reputational stake in my posts, and I don't have an antagonistic relationship with the people who post here. Bakkerfag, though, apparently puts great stock in how his posts are received here, and any time his current posting persona can be clearly identified he first starts by trying to muddy the waters and sabotage the methods they use to call him out, then eventually creates a different persona. He follows the exact same pattern every time.
>>25505143That seems more like a simplification strategy. It's easier to believe that anyone new and troublesome that becomes a regular is someone trying out posting differently. I'd say that such a belief in related to thinking the general is dead and worthless, therefore why would anyone new want to be here?
>>25505156>I don't have an antagonistic relationship with the people who post hereDoubt
>>25505156>Bakkerfag, though, apparently puts great stock in how his posts are received here, and any time his current posting persona can be clearly identified he first starts by trying to muddy the waters and sabotage the methods they use to call him out, then eventually creates a different persona. This effect can be seen in how he changed from his signature sepia screenshots through a few different styles until landing on the current kindle screenshots. All to dodge my shitty userscript.He can't stand people not reading his drivel.
>>25505160I'm not especially antagonistic toward anybody, any hostility read off my posts wouldn't register against the background hostility of this place.
>>25505155https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/575092640/#575114357lol
>>25505157And it's fairly typical for newcomers to doubt the wisdom of those with experience, as you are doing right now, which is why I'm even giving you the benefit of the doubt for defending a known and documented schizo's actions. I have the weight of years of experience and documented shitposting in the archive, you have arm chair psychology. Perhaps your fellow newfags will be swayed by your Solon article tier psychoanalyzing.
>>25505164Everyone should be especially antagonistic against Yev
You want to know what gave it away that both pagespammer and bakkerspammer are the same person? He outed himself when he kept saying "you sound resentful' regardless of whether he was LARPing as Bakkerfag or pagespammer.
>>25505163>This effect can be seen in how he changed from his signature sepia screenshots through a few different styles until landing on the current kindle screenshots. All to dodge my shitty userscript.Yes that is extremely on brand for bakkerfag, who did the exact same stunt years ago when he began altering his images specifically to avoid the md5 filter list that got passed around for his usual image spam.
>>25505179We don't have proof this wasn't some other troll though. I've done it once or twice for the lulz.
>>25505169You have spurious assumptions and nothing more.
>>25505163He changes his persona based off what he wants to force people to think about or consume, i.e., some fag youtuber, GRI (GayRapeIncest), Sanderson but only negative commentary, current book club bullshit. He could very well be the anti-review faggot. I wouldn't put it past him.
>>25505186As stated, there are years of archived threads that show what I'm talking about, and of course I have my own memories of living through the various different personas of Bakkerfag. I know what is true, so your attempts to gaslight me are pointless. At this point you are either somebody sadly duped by him (though I can think of no plausible reason to defend such an obnoxious person's reputation) or else I've wasted my time (as usual) talking to Bakkerfag defending himself as he often does. In any case, this conversation will live on in the archives and no matter which it is, it can be added to the body of evidence.
>>25505181And then he tried to claim he found the images on google, yes.
>>25505195You don't know what is true.
>Bakkerpagebitcher trying to obfuscate and gaslight Many such instances in the past.
>>25505206>>25505186Shallow dismissals like this just make it more and more likely it's him.
>>25505179You do sound resentful (on top of being a whiny bitch) though
"Baynefag" has only been called since last year, even though he's been posting about Bayne since 2018. He's had many ritualposts and avatarposting. Names come and go.
>>25505193From my view, he's driven by a need to control discourse in this thread. To that end he shuts down all discussion of topics he doesn't approve of, and I guess tries to "seed' discussion of things he wants to see here. Only, he's terrible at it. Which is why his ham-handed attempts are always spotted. I don't know if he has some kind of severely skewed image of himself as a master manipulator, but the fact is, if he can be routinely spotted on an anonymous image board, he's hilariously bad at manipulating others secretly.
>>25504938kek he did it again. i almost feel pity for the kid.
>>25505206And that *beep* you just heard was the last of your credit with my benefit of the doubt expiring.
>>25505222Reality is indifferent to your beliefs.>>25505212It doesn't.
>>25505208If a textbook existed for a topic this sad, the last 50 or so posts of this thread would feature in it as an example.
>>25505220Classic narcissism. If you have had to deal with it in real life then you know. Arrogant, manipulative, heightened ego/delusions of grandeur, aggressive. There have been times where he's caught a 3-day vacation and one-third to one-fourth of all posts vanish.
All three of you sound resentful.
>>25505228They aren't beliefs, they're memories, and physical evidence. And you've slipped up again, by now actively denying the evidence instead of pretending to be a reasonable third party defusing the situation. You can't help but take it personally.
>digging his hole even deeperIt's confirmed.
>>25505236If only you knew how bad it really is.
>>25505214>Pot calling the kettle black Why is pagespammer lacking in any and all self awareness?
>>25505234Yes, even knowing how prolific he is and how he varies posting styles in the thread, I'm always surprised at how extensively he fills threads he participates in, when he cops a ban. 1/3 a thread wasn't even unusual, at his height it was over half.
>>25505238Call me Jules Verne, because I'm digging to the Center of the Earth!
I love when anons post easily disproved narratives to push their agenda.
dark fantasy had been integrated to high fantasy and the new dark fantasy is now called grim dark. dark fantasy means no more what we thought when you hear 'dark fantasy'
>>25505251let's talk about grim dawn
>>25505246Ah yes, now we see the vagueposting, and recourse to conspiracies. Truly something a bystander with no skin in the game would do on the behalf of a shitposter being accused of being a different shitposter. I know that when I wander into a community with years and years of history, I too like to make bold assertions about what went on before I got here and go to the mat for an obnoxious, controversial figure for no other reason than doing a good deed.
The only person defending bakkerbitcher is himself. Its pretty obvious it's (You) Bakkiebaby and that you are in fact, currently butthurt as fuck.
>>25505258>>25505262You keep going on about your pet conspiracy when we all know it's all Yev. All of this is a cover-up and you're his useful idiots.
There is no yevThere is no baynefag There is only bakkerpagespammer
We are Charlie Bakker
We have become the OmniAnon.
So do you guys uhhh... do you ever actually get around to discussing the thread topic around here or what?
>>25505289We're not falling for it, bakkerfag.
>>25505273The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
>>25505289All the authors I like are banned
>>25505289Is this your first time in a 4chan general?
No Yev is the same as the No God.
>>25505289I had a conversation with my esteemed colleague, Anonymous earlier about K:BS. As I'm the only one who read it, his post, like many others, would go ignored and unnoticed because it wasn't about a megapopular book.
>>25505289Not anymore, those were the before times. Before The War.
>>25505298Good to know Megapopular Anon.
>>25505289I tried discussing The Domination but Bakkerbitch had a melty and rabidly shot down every post.
>>25505299Yev caused The War when he created the Goodreads Group. Before then there was no division between anon and they roamed freely.
>>25505256whats that?
>>25505309Grim Dawn is an action role-playing game for Windows developed by Crate Entertainment and published in February 2016. A version for Xbox One was released in December 2021. Developed using the Titan Quest engine, it is set in a thematically dark fictional world loosely based on the Victorian era. It received generally favorable reviews from critics and had sold 7 million units (including its DLC) by February 2022.
>>25505301It's a simple matter of observation that a lot of book reviews go ignored.
>>25505335>>25505335>>25505335
>>25505337It's way too early. You only did this to preempt the other anon from making the thread.
>>25505342Yep. Fuck schizos.
>>25505344Baynefag is in it already
>>25505342Discourse control. Forget the old thread and pretend it did not happen.
>>25505311Thanks GPT.
>>25505183Same. It's funny.
>>25505170Oy vey!
>>25505535>yev >vey Wait a minute...
>>25505473The expected response. It's the Wikipedia article copypasted.
