who calls someone stupid for not understanding finnegans wake
>>25506824This retard and their SSRI stare has never read any of the books in the thumbnail
>>25506829>I'm doing le heckin' SSRI stare meme! The irony of you generalizing female youtubers whilst being a desperate pick me fag on 4chan using your standard issue meme speak
>>25506845You write like a woman.
25506852>Please like me /lit/, I'm saying all the meme words, I call people women and fags and stuff>Please like me. Give me yous. Absolutely pathetic. Go back to /b/
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>>25506824There's a John Fowles thread for this kind of thing.
Malding like a predditor topkek
>>25506824what is the book she's holding?also, never read Moby Dick, but is it really that complicated?
>>25506871The Brothers K
>>25506871moby dick is a kid's play thing despite being an excellent play thing. the only hard books in that pic are the joyce and the heidegger
>post books that you didn't understandInfinite Jest. Currently coming up to 400 pages. I just don't get the general point of most post-modern books like thatIt's like modern art where it's a melted teapot and they tell you it represents 'hunger'. Yeah, sure. I get where the youtube video is coming from...If I went on reddit and said I think IJ isn't good or I didn't extract certain meaning from it, they'd be absolutely insufferable cunts about it. (more than normal)All the usual stock answer would come out - 'it's supposed to be that way', 'you're not smart enough', 'you need to read it twice to *get it*', and so on. Plus, all the 'idkwym.... I've read it 312 times and think the section about toaster settings is a very obvious parody of the catholic church circa 1765'.
>>25506824Basically every book on my shelves. I don't understand a single one. They've all filtered me. First one was aristotle or something like that. Just couldn't understand a single sentence. Had to keep rereading and rereading and eventually I just gave up. I'll stick to wikipedia pages for my knowledge.
>>25506887if it was a good story, theyd have made a movie about it. its not a good story.
How monumentally retarded do you need to be to not understand the Iliad?
>>25506824*Your
>>25506917what a weird metric for judging whether a story is good or not.
>>25506824>Finnegans WakeThis was just Joyce fucking with everyone, it’s not worth the time to try and understand >Iliad, Moby-DickAn average high schooler should have no problem understanding these. Some deeper issues are at play if an adventure book about a sea captain chasing a whale is too much for your smooth brain
>>25506949>An average high schooler should have no problem understanding theseIt's youtube. A book blogger on youtubeHave you not considered that a big portion of her audience all 12/13yo girls only just started to reading such literature and feeling a little uncertain?
>>25506971No, Booktok foids are by and large aging millennial spinsters
>>25506971Post med shelf, fag
>>25506979That's not really true if you look into channel revenues 25506987>Now I'm using the 'take you meds' meme>And I'm calling him a fag!>Please think I'm cool /lit/ ... pick me!Eternal septemberYou don't realise how obvious it are
>>25506887It doesn't come together until the very end. Before that you haven't quite experienced the actual postmodernism, barring the endnotes. Which I concede, I don't think are actually clever or intentional. More likely Wallace was just being a sperg about having content cut and the editor placated him by moving it out of the main narrative. Om the other hand, the reason DFW hated irony was because posts like >>25506917 make it unclear whether they are satire or honest expressions of stupidity.
>>25507009You just can't help but respond, huh? You're beginning to make yourself look as retarded as him. >>25506824This fucking book. It's not that I didn't understand the contents, but I didn't understand why any human being needed to read this. It was like a manual to how to act and think like a human being, made specifically for 'tistic 'tards. It was both shocking and sickening reading the glowing reviews of this. Truly terrifying that any functioning human beings learned something from this piece of shit.
>>25507061I heard the end doesn't resolve anything and when asked DFW said something like "all the answers are in the book, just beyond the last page" or something. Which is exactly the sort of pretentious redditor-esque nonsense that I find so annoying in the book. In fact, there isn't much of a coherent thread to the whole book so far, so I'm not even sure what is there to even resolve.
>>25507077I find it glib and irritating as well. "Tee hee, I promised you a hand job and you're mad I stopped before you could finish, you're so predictable! Tee hee! Now here are 30 pages of how to use logarithmic functions to calculate a Catan score."But having finished and gotten over the irritation, there is enough textual support to see that Wallace is working toward something meaningful and his use of chronology and prose is intentional. I actually think the postmodernism works to the book's detriment, because the best parts are when Wallace shuts up and writes about life in his extremely honest melodramatic style.
>>25507084It irritates me that i agree with you, and part of me is saying just push on and finish it.It might be that my reading of it last night was the eschaton chapter. It was peak IJ bollocks - pages of stupid endnotes, lol.
Even though it's a very good introduction in complexity theory, I never manage to get too far in this. Part of it is lack of persistence, but it does cover some very hard theory.
>>25506824One must be extremely dumb to not get the Iliad, Moby Dick or Crime and Punishment.
>>25507135There's a thread in catalogue right now with like 3 different people complaining about not understanding the iliad, which is pretty bad on a board with like 5 people on it that specifically exists for the purpose of discussing literature.
>>25506887i will tell you a little secret - Infinite Jest is only enjoyable from moment to moment if you have been addicted to something, or if you are a writer. many of the pages of emotional rambling, if you will take my word (former video game/SSRI/junk food addict) are thoughts that addicts have while in the middle of addiction. i also have been writing creatively since i was seven - a lot of what DFW does on a language level is/was typically seen as heretical, especially by the literary establishment 30 years ago, so while im laughing my ass off because hes dicking around with sentence structures in a way i know is going to piss off elitists and academics, if you havent internalized any writing concepts or been fascinated by the limits of what the english language can express, youre just reading and saying "...what? why does any of this shit matter?" tldr; you are not dumb for not getting it. the only reason you dont get it is because you dont have as much experience thinking about addiction depression and the English language as DFW did. these are certain categories of intelligence it wouldnt be reasonable to expect readers to have, but for those very few who do, IJ and TPK are godsends. we are more weird than hyperintelligent, im still very stupid frankly
>>25506824How does one fail to understand Iliad?
>>25506915based
>>25507172>Infinite Jest is only enjoyable from moment to moment if you have been addicted to something, or if you are a writer>if you will take my word (former video game/SSRI/junk food addict)...>the only reason you dont get it is because you dont have as much experience thinking about addiction depression and the English language as DFW didYou're making a lot of assumptions about someone you don't knowI have quite a lot of experience dealing with addiction and psych patients (not tennis though)>these are certain categories of intelligence it wouldnt be reasonable to expect readers to have, but for those very few who do, IJ and TPK are godsends. we are more weird than hyperintelligentThat is the single most cringeworthy sentence I have ever read on 4chan as an oldfag. Congratulations. This site still has some surprises left.
>>25507084> the best parts are when Wallace shuts up and writes about life in his extremely honest melodramatic stylei've read a few DFW short story collections and enjoyed them for the most part, but I never dared start on IJ. Is it conceivable that one might read through IJ but skip the annoying tangents and irrelevancies, and still get something meaningful/coherent out of it? Kinda like you would skip books like Leviticus and the Psalms when reading the Bible, if you just want the narrative.Maybe such an abridged/reader's cut version of IJ exists already?
>>25507194>Is it conceivable that one might read through IJ but skip the annoying tangents and irrelevanciesThat would just leave the front and back cover
>>25507191the only reason you ever resonate with what a writer says is when you have both thought about the same things at different times. i made those assumptions because of this idea i have
>>25507209>the only reason you ever resonate with what a writer says is when you have both thought about the same things at different times. i made those assumptions because of this idea i have> - 'certain categories of intelligence' > - 'more weird than hyperintelligent'Tell your mom I said you can have another gold star on your chart.
>>25507178have you ever seen a video game/anime enthusiast try to read something more complex than dark souls lore or berserk manga?
>>25507220what is the thing in my use of language that caused you to say this. all i did was give a cut and dry explanation of why someone wouldnt understand something
>>25507228Don't worry about it. Thank you for your input
Carlyle's French Revolution
>>25507140Can you link the thread?
>>25507235so you just say things based on your kneejerk reactions and think yourself above me? this sounds to me like you are using your emotions more than your brain
>>25507247Looks like it was recently slid off the catalogue due to someone currently on an astroturfing bender trying to restructure the content of the board.>>25479358
>>25507250You worked hard for you gold star and your (you)s.Don't go and lose them now.
>>25507255Ah wait it was actually this one >>25486142 which is just barely hanging on
>>25507255>>25507267Thanks
>>25507258yayyyyy more cynics who hide their ideas behind vagueposting becuause theyre always so much smarter than me, but god forbid they ever demonstrate that
>>25507226You should see Spec:Ops The Line threads on /v/.Wew lad, the one game that creatively uses the medium and it shatters the entire board's brain in half, leaving a 524 reply thread packed so densely with retardation it rips the IQ right out of brain and into its orbit.
>>25506824I kind of like the feeling of not wholly understanding a writer. It somehow doesn't take away from my enjoying the text itself. And I'm not necessarily talking about enjoying a beautiful prose
>>25507300i believe it, and i've played that game too, it was a super watered-down version of the book too kek
>>25507226I can understand getting bored depending on a translation, but there's really not much to understand, I really don't see how can one fail that.
