Remember: Goblins are for loving and yuri

>>25508473
Popular this week, it's a rank of all stories by total weekly views (so you can see what people are actually reading, and not just histories that used to be popular but nobody reads anymore)

>>25508503
I expected Sky Pride to be on there but there's a lot of cultivation I've never seen before and /wng/ has never discussed

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Spotted on /a/. What's the next big thing, since isekai is officially, finally, reclining?

>>25508519
NTRfaggotry.

>>25508519
Time loops

I'm coming near the end of webnovel. I told myself if it was successful I'd write a sequel. It's right between being a success and a failure and I don't know what to do.

>>25508525
post your novel

>>25508519
West is a few years behind the east on wn trends
China is on eldritch horror now, probably thanks to LotM (which is getting an mmo release). Korea is still obsessed with academies but is also getting into real world earth settings but with cheats/systems. Japs are going for more slow stuff like Apothecary Diaries and various comfyslop. Though I don't think it will ever replace the scale of isekai.
Also in general regression is slowly replacing isekai. It serves the "how I would do my life over" fantasy instead of "escape to a new world with a new start" fantasy.
>>25508525
>being a success and a failure
meaningless to us without context

>>25508525
Don't settle for mediocre. Move on. If it's not a hit now, your sequel will get less attention simply because it's a sequel.

>>25508525
Sequels tend to do worse than first parts, so if it's "between success and failure" the sequel is going to be a solid failure. Move on, my man.

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>>25508532
Really? That's strange because books like Harry Potter and Twilight didnt take off until book three.

>>25508519
fake isekai like Clevatess

>>25508594
We call those native isekai.

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>>25508584
>that's not how it worked for some of the bestselling books of all time from two or four decades ago
You don't say

>>25508584
>There are rare exceptions who reach unlikely success so I must be one
No, you're not Stephen King, don't count on it

>>25508519
Probably gate/dungeonslop as it's almost certain they're gonna shift to adapting korean shit.

>>25508618
isn't native isekai just fantasy? That isn't clevatess.

>>25508786
>isn't native isekai just fantasy
It's high fantasy, if we go by hard definitions!

What are gu??

>>25508895
For each time you post this, you will be impaled by a red-hot spearhead in hell. Another twenty times, if you reply to this with "what would spectral soul do in this situation" you fucking faggot

>>25508923
Rude.

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>>25508584
You must be a youngfag who doesn't remember when HP1 and Twilight came out originally. They were massive hits from the first volume. Massively popular, sold huge numbers, orders of magnitude more than anything else coming out at that time.

Yes, they got somehow even more insanely popular as more books came out and word of mouth spread even further, but there was no question that Harry Potter and the [Philosopher's|Sorcerer's] Stone was a phenomenon. My parents were the super religious, anti-witchcraft types who didn't let me possess pokemon cards. THEY bought a copy of HP1 to "check it out" and see if it was kid appropriate. I found it lying around my parents' bedroom and read basically the entire thing in one sitting, right there (age 10 or 11 IIRC). After that they got off their asses and finished it and saw that I escaped demonic possession for several days just fine and decided it was no problem.

There's really nothing to compare that kind of success to today.

Anyway sequels do tend to do worse than the original story unless the original story was popular and you've cultivated a big AND GROWING fanbase. Unless you WANT to write the story for non-success reasons, it'd be better to move on.

>>25509065
>I escaped demonic possession
>/wng/ 4chan user
pick one

>>25509084
I am possessed of a love of books and reading, but I never worshiped the devil. I dunno, does eventually learning Japanese for weeb reasons count as speaking in tongues?

Regardless I'm one of their more successful offspring so it's fine. And my winnie is mildly successful, too. No I'm not going to post it stop asking.

>>25508525
If you do write a sequel don't post it under another fiction page, just continue the web novel.

>>25509090
>does eventually learning Japanese for weeb reasons count as speaking in tongues?
Have you read the bible? Speaking english counts as speaking in tongues!

>>25509065
I envy todays kids, they can read things like cultivation novels, isekais, regression novels, novels with good magic system, good progression etc. Back then it was only dull and boring lotr and the retard harry potter

>>25509290
unironically this

Do bad/stupid names bother you? Like, if it's part of the worldbuilding, can you get used to it or does it immediately turn you off?

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Greetings to my fellow cultivators.

>>25509378
if you learn to speak japanese/korean, you will soon learn 99% of names are fucking puns. You just don't realize cuz you're an EOP

>>25508472
I’ll make a children’s web novel series

>>25509435
So just another one, i guess? People who enjoy these things are usually between 10 and 15 year olds.

Avatar Kyoshi achieved immortality by thinking really fucking hard about it. Do we consider that cultivation?

>>25509484
>People who enjoy these things are usually between 10 and 15 year olds.
If only that were true.

>>25509506
Generally, no.

I haven't found something good since Super Supportive and Sky Pride
Help me

What’s the point of ascending to the heavens if you’re just gonna be enslaved and sent to the work mines or the stables?
I get that it’s supposed to be ironic and reflect the Chinese’s system of working hard in order to be over qualified to work even harder at a fancier place or whatever. But the whole setup is pretty stupid.

>>25509982
Every man and woman around you is a 12/10 with a wealth of personal experiences and a boundless intellect. Also, all the food tastes orgasmic. Also, they have the best drugs. Also no illness or aging.

>>25509948
Read Reverend Insanity

>>25510023
Or you could just fucking kill yourself and not have to bother with any of that.

>finished the section I was stuck on last week
>two bad chapters got rewritten into 4 chapters that are much better even if one is less interesting than it could be
>wrote another chapter today
>turns out it's a book ending climax now
Fucking based. I'm so happy with myself for overcoming this writing challenge. I feel like I've found my rhythm again.

>>25510058
Then you're just gonna be enslaved and sent to work the mines or the stables of hell. Or worse, reincarnated.

>>25509435
Pedophile detected. No upstanding citizen would want children on the internet.

>>25509948
The Last Orellen and Pale Lights
From chinks try Deep Sea Embers

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I only enter these threads to identify and snipe shills

>>25510229
I come here because the occasional LitRPG and cultivation threads on /v/ aren't enough for me.

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DCCbros what is our response?

>>25510262
Why would there be threads like that on /v/

>>25509948
Keeper of totality

>>25510283
I don't even understand this post. How is that hypocracy?

>>25510283
It's crazy how basically every literate insane cringelord got into DCC in the last 18 months. Well, semi-literate, because they're all audiobook listeners.
The VA on those audiobooks must be using hypnosis or something. I'm filled with revulsion.

reccs with
>good worldbuilding
>good fight scenes
plz

>>25510296
I can't stand audiobooks, the VA telling you how the character feels doesn't feel nearly as intimate as reading their thoughts yourself. There are also those context-heavy sentences that you re-read multiple times and pause to ponder on them, and with a VA these moments get diluted in a nonstop assault of dialogue and action, so I can see the clear advantages for powerfantasy fans

>>25510326
>There are also those context-heavy sentences that you re-read multiple times and pause to ponder on them,
Are there really web novels like that?

>>25510307
>>good worldbuilding
It Came Form SomethingAwful.
>>good fight scenes
My ongoing masterwork that exists only in my head.

>>25510343
Depends on what genre you're looking at. A top-rated canned sardine is still going to taste like canned sardine.

>>25510388
which genres are the filet mignon

>>25510343
Not that anon, but I'll occasionally see sentences (usually when the author is fucking with their readers) where the amount and choice of details is off and I'll reread that shit to figure out what the author is setting up for.

As an example, if a writer is describing how beautiful a character is, but isn't mentioning any curves, that can be a setup for the character being a male.

>>25510285
The videogame mechanics for litRPG give that some overlap while wuxia games are pretty darn popular among some niches there. They (The threads that is) are pretty darn good whenever they pop up. The cultivation threads usually start with a chad image of a young master or some such.

>casts five-second debuff
>lasts the whole chapter

>>25510441
H-Hayai

>>25510441
characters that move at the speed of sound decide a fight in seconds, yes, good job!

>fiction has a femmc
>50% chance shes an asexual murderhobo
>50% chance she's a bisexual casual sex thot
I'll never forgive western websloppers for doing yuri dirty

Royal Road's best rated page is broken. Why is William Oh a 4.79 score with 23000 followers but "Marvelous Mr. Penn" 4.83 with 2000 followers .... and Mr Penn is higher

It doesnt weigh actual readers enough. It's obviously broken, terrible algorithm

>>25510488
William Oh is really bad so it probably has more minimum ratings

>>25510486
What are you talking about, lesbo protag is fairly common but just giving way to asexual. Which makes sense as it's a wider trend including the male MCs. The main appeal of the popular subgenres aren't romance and it should stay that way so it doesn't suffer the same fate as tradpub.

>>25510486
what the fuck web novels are you reading because most popular ones dont fit those molds

>>25510489
Penn has more 0.5 stars percentage wise

>>25510493
If it did it would have a lower rating. I'm not sure why you're conflating ratings and followers.
There are games on steam that are rated overwhelmingly positive but only 2k reviews while a more popular game is only very positive despite being played by hundreds of thousands.

>>25510500
its not theoretical dude you can see the distribution
newfag

>>25510486
mine is both

>>25510486
It's not as if malemcs are that different.

>>25510500
Does steam have a Best Rated page? The issue is that such pages should weigh ratings vs followers properly, otherwise stories with 1 5 star rating will be at the top, which is obviously retarded

>>25510492
Example 1 is any Seras story, 2 is writers like Ravensdagger and the Changeling/Bob author.
Not that anon but it matches up somewhat.

>>25510515
Not really. It's an intentional reason to have the category over just most popular.
They need fresh stuff on the frontpage to keep/get readers. Changing it to be pro-big story would be silly.

>>25510543
okay... so if a site does choose to have a best rated page they should do it right
why the fuck did you bring steam up as if you had a point when its clearly not relevant

Rarely reply to comments and maintain author mystique? Or be as interactive with readers as possible and form a parasocial relationship? Which will net me more Patreon bucks?

>>25510660
>Or be as interactive with readers as possible and form a parasocial relationship
this one

>>25510513
Asexual murderhobo I'll give you but I have never seen a bisexual casual sex thot male mc

>>25510669
only true if you suck their dicks every comment, and Jesus christ you're pathetic if so

>>25510712
just use chatgpt for replies

>>25510716
that would be really funny but people would catch on and tank your reputation

>>25510697
50% of male mcs have harems

>>25510721
2% at most

Misandrist female protag, yes or no? On the one hand you can pursue all the baseless prejudices that readers love, on the other hand those prejudices will be against your reader base's sex.

>>25510721
Not on Royal Road which was what the original post was about.
Even in general many harems in web novels aren't even of the sex kind and just "MC gathers a lot of girls that like him but he can't pick" thing that anime usually does. Then finally the few actual sex harems which still don't constitute casual sex.

>>25510783
I don't know who this would possibly appeal to except possibly trannies

>>25510785
>Even in general many harems in web novels aren't even of the sex kind and just "MC gathers a lot of girls that like him but he can't pick" thing that anime usually does
That setup is less common nowadays. At least among works actually tagged harem.

Not saying polycules are all over the place, will they or won't they is the bread and butter of romance, but at the least harem endings are WAY more common than they used to be.

Honestly it's gotten to the point that even those shitty harems where the MC ends up with hundreds/thousands of mostly faceless women are more common than the bait and switch harems where they either don't choose or just choose one girl. I think writers are finally figuring out that readers don't actually like to be blue-balled.

>>25510783
Like as a bit like the racist elf webcomic?

>>25510788
You're the intended audience you just don't know it yet. It's for comic relief.

>>25510803
Right, like it may come off as pathetic but it's for comedic purposes. A flaw of character.

Just witnessed animals giving bad reviews because they think a heroine falling for a disguised persona of the main character is ntr.

>>25510837
it IS dough?
like when Batman was cucking himself with Catwoman by two timing her as Bruce

>>25510837
>>25510840
These are the sort of idiots who watched Miraculous and got upset their ship didn't become canon (their ship was the same two people in different outfits)

>>25510660
The upside of replying is you get more comments, which means more engagement, which can bring you higher up on the lists.

The downside is, even those few readers who have a brain will switch it off and ask you to personally explain every little thing, and an author should never have to explain his own work. They also think that by having you reply to them, you're now their friend, and they're helping you and the story is like your joint project, which gives them the right to dictate how it should be done and nitpick on everything. And if anything displeases them, they'll try to emotionally blackmail you into changing it, and if they don't get their way, they'll throw the biggest tantrum on the way out. If you're okay with that, go right ahead. I didn't personally think it was ever worth it.

>>25510837
I wouldn't give a bad review over something like that, but I'd definitely mention it. The Spider-Man movie kiss is probably one of the worst offenders in that regard, and even then it's perfectly in character for MJ to be a two-timing whore.

What am I getting into with The Storm King? Not sure what to expect with this in terms of story arcs and cast of characters since the intro is pretty much just world building.

>>25510660
Depends on how many active readers you have, things will get really awkward if it's the same two dozen readers because they will inevitably feel closer to you by realizing you are not out of their reach and get involved in the story. If you have a lot of readers you will just come off as humble by interacting with them. It's similar to streamers. Small streamers get led around by the nose trying to please their chatters, while this is reversed for famous ones.

Look at this fag trying so hard to bait me

>>25510851
some storming, some kinging

>>25510660
Are you the 10 thousand tragedies author?

>>25510851
I've read until chapter 209 and then gave it 2 stars.

>>25510943
Yeah, that's me.

>>25510957
What's wrong with you? Why does it take so long to release a chapter? Also where is discord?

>Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday
lol

>>25510866
I agree with this. I didn't reply as much when my story was small because it felt a bit weird, but now I always drop in a few replies because I don't even recognize most of the commenters so it just feels nice.

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should I read MEOW: Magical Emporium of Wares - A Cozy Slice-of-Life Fantasy by tonibinns?

>>25510837
It is spiritually ntr

>>25511076
>RI/Clara ritual posting fag is a creepy stalker
How unsurprising

>>25511086
>dumb retard is dumb and retarded
https://tonibinns.com/about
you didn't answer my question btw

>>25510783
Protag sounds pretty awful. But I got a deuteragonist like that. Everything that goes wrong in her life is men's fault and she really doesn't like them (she doesn't like women either). Technically, she's kind of right, but not because they're men but because they're the ones in power. Women in power do the exact same things to her, but she pretends not to notice that. She especially hates women who don't hate men.
She's also kind of low-key being kept as a slave by the MC, but she asked for it and pretends like she's fine with it. I try to make her sympathetic and she's my favourite character, even though she's a total psycho. She thinks and acts like she's the real protagonist, which makes her more fun than the other characters, who all are very aware that they're not the main character. At the end of the story she betrays the MC and tries to break herself free from the slavery but fails (it's some magic bond shit). Protag is gonna overcome the betrayal and find her collapsed after having destroyed his laboratory in her attempt. Then he's going to forgive her because he sympathizes with her. I'm not sure if she will then kill herself out of spite or not, from finding the situation unbearable. It's the logical conclusion to her narrative, but she's also too funny to kill off.

Anyway. I think crazy characters can be really good supporting characters. But I think the only time they work as protagonists is if the story is a comedy. Or maybe a tragedy.

I've been thinking about writing more short stories as practice. Are these websites designed specifically for serials, or is it viable to write unconnected short stories?

>>25511104
there's no audience for short stories whatsoever

>>25511104
>Are these websites designed specifically for serials
Yes
>viable to write unconnected short stories
No not unconnected
There's some anthologies with shared worlds on Scribblehub but that's a different thing.

>>25511104
>or is it viable to write unconnected short stories?
(Usually themed) Anthologies are popular on AO3 and Wattpad. Short stories are popular on AO3. Longer short stories (like getting closer to novelette) are popular on Wattpad. They aren't really common on other sites I've seen.

Also by popular I mean a lot of people write them, not necessarily read them.

If you're just writing for practice, your work wouldn't be out of place on either of those sites and you might find an audience.

>>25511249
>Also by popular I mean a lot of people write them, not necessarily read them.
Congrats! You win the threadly retard of the day award, which is quite difficult in /wng/, you must be very proud

>>25511355
Kek

>>25511249
Most of my short stories don't actually get good numbers on Ao3, save for the few that I posted at very topical times on huge fandoms. My longfics tend to do a lot better.

>>25510721
Not bisexual harems (unfortunately).

>>25511486
A Wish to Grab Happiness features a bisexual harem if you're willing to count a trans man. Honestly I'm surprised you don't really see that that often. Trans women in harems are way more common (albeit still rare).

Or did you mean harems where the harem members are bisexual? Cause those are common as fuck. Always funny when one of the harem members pulls the old uno reverse card when the MC is worried about the practical and ethical concerns of a harem and reveals herself as a bisexual who plans to be the real harem lead.
>implying the other girls aren't bi
>implying I haven't been seducing them alongside you
>implying I wasn't using you as harem bait
>implying it's going to be your harem

Why do you guys spend so much time posting about smut, sex, relationships in stories etc when the majority of (RR) readers don't even seem to like it and at best just tolerate it.

>>25510486
May I point you to Worm, where the femc is a heterosexual murderhobo with a single romantic interest?

>>25511513
>Taylor
>heterosexual
You know that's why they call her Khepri, because she's in The Nile

>>25511104
If you just want to practice by writing random shorts, then - people here will hate me for this - Reddit is unironically a good place for it. You get immediate feedback and you’ll quickly learn what writing style/tone/theme appeals to the average Redditor - which may not necessarily be a good thing, but hey, Reddit Crawler Carl made it work.

>>25511502
I mean a male MC who fucks women and men. Unfortunately even eroge don't have bisexual MCs that often, you either get all in barafag stuff (rarely), stuff aimed at foids, or shotafag/trapfag stuff.
No audience for man who fucks men and women, only an audience for a woman who fucks men and women.

Society.

>>25511538
Because the main audience of eroge and webnovels is men, and most men are fine with lesbians but find gays gross.

>>25511547
Sex is just power dynamics shit anyways, it doesn't really matter if it's a man or a woman you're raping. I say raping because all sex is rape outside of marriage.

>>25511568
Okay.

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>>25511568
When I'm in a projecting competition but my opponent is a weirdo 4chan user:

>>25511523
Who do yurischizos even ship her with? I don't remember her having anything resembling that, don't tell me it's Bitch.

>>25511589
With Lisa of course. There's some degenerates that ship her with Amy, but I hate to bring them up in polite company.

>>25511507
Not an author but from what I gathered, most authors (and those generally who advocate for smut) tend to evade this question...but if you continue pressing them you get some garbage answers like it's natural, human nature etc

>>25511507
Why do you care what the average royal road reader wants? There are plenty of subgenres that do well, including romance, smut, harem, etc

>>25511630
It gets a lot of patrons. Paywalled smut is a huge moneymaker

>>25511630
>garbage answers like it's natural, human nature
See, for sex and such I quite agree, but what pissess me off is when authors use this excuse to justify shit relationships or one-night stands with absolutely 0 impact that came out of nowhere.
"Oh yeah, now X is dating Y, craaazy right?" and you read the story and there was absolutely NOTHING hinting at that at any point. When questioned about it, author is usually like "Well people just hook up, it's normal". and then 2 chapters later the relationship ends and we're meant to believe any of the characters is torn up about it.

This criticism is aimed especially, though not exclusively, at Pirateaba.

>>25511653
Aren't they one of those unironic irl asexuals.

>>25511638
source: you made it up

>>25511654
I don't think they've ever spoken about it, I think they just said they don't have a lot of experience—but I have to believe it's the case.

Still, being asexual doesn't stop other authors from writing good relationships, and not being asexual doesn't stop others from being shit at it either, so not much of an excuse.

>>25510957
RR midlister here, wasn't going to respond but for you I will.

Personally I keep distance between myself and my commenters. I don't talk about my personal life, and I tend not to reply to comments except very rarely. I want people to read the story and think about it, not turn their brains off and ask me to spoil things I'm planning to reveal dozens of chapters down the line in hype moments. Plus, I think commenters like theorycrafting and arguing amongst themselves, and if I just give them the answer, they can't do that.

I'm much more communicative on Patreon, with paying subscribers.

As another anon said I don't want any parasocial relationships, partly because I just don't have the emotional energy to maintain internet friendships, and partly because I'm not going to compromise my artistic vision just because someone's a yapper, and I KNOW they're going to get butthurt about where I take things (having hateable characters, killing off beloved characters, etc), and I'd rather they feel I'm psychologically above them, the oracle on the mountain handing down the story, rather than the bard on the street corner they can shout at and tell me they're not going to tip me anymore (as if they were going to anyway).

I hope you're taking /wng/ with a huge grain of salt. There are a lot of trolls here.

>>25511686
Not the guy you responded to, but it's spooky how literally 1:1 this view is to mine.
Honestly, not wanting to deal with the tedium and annoyance of a username, particularly one with some repute, is probably why I hang around here in the first place. Talking to readers is exhausting.

>>25511686
This is what I consider to be a perfect approach. When writing fanfics I always reply with a "thank you" or something like that, or answer questions (as long as they're not plot related), but when it comes to RR I feel it's better to stay aloof. Fanfiction is a community outside of your control, but you must be in control of your own communities.

Holy runon sentence, my apologies for that.

Also I block people who are clearly just hating the story. Immediately, without mercy. I leave my DMs open to them in case they want to complain about it and not a single person in dozens of blocked commenters has tried.

Haters gonna hate. There's literally no value in engaging with them.

>>25511104
>>25511152
If the story is less than ~1500 chapters, I won't even bother reading the first chapter

>>25511093
>She thinks and acts like she's the real protagonist, which makes her more fun than the other characters
See, this is what I'm talking about. Fun at all costs. People will gladly read a murderhobo asshole book, so why not a misandrist book?

>>25511638
Why lie so boldly, butthead?

>>25511686
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>>25511795
I try to reply to all comments but sometimes life just gets in the way. I also feel like my readers deserve better than a oneliner quip made when I'm dead tired.

Then again I don't write for retards, so it might be different for me.

>>25512535
Same. When a comment is short and doesn't say much, or is 'tftc' tier, I just give them rep and move on. If they ever put effort into it, I try to reciprocate.

Give what you get basically.

>>25512331
Callimachus would hurl at the idea of such a monstrosity of a "work"

>>25508525
Why are we under the impression that the sequel itself is the problem? If it's a standalone story, it can work. If you mean that it's just another arc in the web novel then no. But if you do it like Jojo I reckon it'll be fine