Post and discussion about any type of history book>The Anglo-Saxons: A History of the Beginnings of England: 400 - 1066 by Marc Morris>The history of England from the departure of the Romans to the Norman Conquest, detailing the rise of the Anglo-Saxons and their impact on the formation of England. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59560987-the-anglo-saxonshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-SaxonsPrevious thread: >>25409429
Al, I love yah baby but you really need a proofreader for your books. The amount of spelling mistakes and the forgetting certain words is insane. I can't remember the last author that was this bad with this.
>>25510774has anyone read this? whats your thoughts on it?
>>25510774So far the thread seems more like summaries
>>25511761(You) could have contributed but NO, you decided to BITCH instead.
>>25511776Now I won’t because you’re angry.
>>25511776>>25511839You two should tongue kiss each other
>>25511761>>25511776>>25511839>>25511853Way to derail one of the only interesting threads in this fucking cesspit, assholes.
>>25511864alright. sorry. lets start over. is there any good books on the evolving conduct of war besides works by Fuller, Crevald or McNeill? something less of a chain of ideas and more comparative possibly? I plan to read picrel sooner or later and want something like an east/west comparison or a global comparative model through history,
>>25511864No one is posting anyway
>>25511864>one of the only interesting threads>a completely off topic general that has never had a single independent thought in itI hope to God you are kidding
Give me the definite work about WW2
>>25510774I kind of like pop history, Dan Jones' War of the Roses is quite accessible and engaging. Especially compared to something like Hadrian, the Restless Emperor by Birley which is a very scholarly work requiring a fair bit of prior knowledge and was a chore to read no matter how I enjoyed the subject matter. >>25513572It's written down, that makes it /lit/. That's how the religion and philosophy faggots get away with it here. Frogposters don't even try, now, let's go to the fifth pyncheon thread today!
Arthur was real. He wasn't a king, though. Merlin didn't exist; he's a pastiche of historical persons under a name derived from the town of Carmarthen.
>>25514148The funniest part about the Arthur myths is you can tell when the French started adding to it with Lancelot.
Current read, found it at a Barnes & Nobles of all places. Currently 70 pages in and it's already completely kino. Scratching the itch of ASOIF but actually grounded in reality, which is nice. Makes me want to dust of TW too. Striking how much the Doges are focused on building up the city, especially as an America where our city governments use construction as an opportunity to graft and extort. Can't help but feel how much building beautiful buildings would do for a political career. Maybe we just don't care about legacy anymore.
>>25514201Building beautiful buildings requires maintenance for all the nooks and crannies. Building an ugly gray box is cheaper and has lower maintenance. When the average American treats public places like a garbage bin we lose the privilege of beautiful spaces.
I'm incredibly tired of pop history. I now read things of more substance.
>>25513667>Give me the definite work about WW2Do you want an overview of the whole war or something more specific?
>>25510774Whats the general consensus on Niall Ferguson?
>>25513667I don't think there is a broad overview definitive work. There's lots of books that are pretty definitive in their specific subject though
>>25513667The one by Victor Davis Hanson. It's slightly pozzed but not in a childish gay way.
>>25514201I'm also reading this and enjoying it. Norwich seethes about Byzantium, as though those stupid greek fucks didn't ruin their own empire with their incompetence, but otherwise it's quite kino. >>25514204Those ugly gray boxes have higher maintenance costs because they get destroyed after 50 years instead of kept around for centuries.
>>25510774This condition was always lacking in the imperial organization. I have shown how most of the state's rulers abandoned Rome from the very outset, establishing themselves variously at the southern tip of Italy, in Asian territories, or in northern Gaul, while others spent their entire reign travelling. What kind of administration could exist when its agents did not know where to reliably find the leader from whom their authority derived—the very leader whose orders they were supposed to execute? Had the emperor remained constantly in Antioch, it would undoubtedly have taken a long time for his instructions to reach the headquarters in Cádiz, Trier, or Britain; yet, all things considered, the organization of these distant provinces—and the scope of the responsibility granted to the magistrates governing and defending them—could have been structured with that distance in mind. In this way, one might have managed, however imperfectly, to establish a regular system of organization.But when a messenger setting out from Paris or Italica to seek orders arrived slowly in Antioch only to learn that the emperor had left for Alexandria—and when, upon the provincial envoy’s arrival in that city, a fresh departure took the emperor to Naples or even across the Rhine toward the Agri Decumates—in what sense, I ask, could such an arrangement be called unified? To claim so is to maintain an absurdity; the emperor was compelled to leave—and indeed did leave—a degree of independent initiative to prefects and generals that led to the gravest consequences, affecting everything from the proper administration of the territory to the highest matters of state, such as the imperial succession.
>>25514384Like what?
>>25514815Ideologically-driven hack.I gave The Great Degeneration a chance and it was bad, no analysis just vague reasons why things the author doesn't like are bad.
>>25515323I'm enjoying this right now.
>>25515350looks like a really lame paraphrase of mancur olson. the rise and decline of nations came out in the 60s or the 70s or something, but it predicted it all, from an economic perspective i mean, not the weird gender shit or stupid wars.
>>25514201>Dogesthey had lifelong terms, so they could worry about their reputation and legacy. In the current Western democratic system where you in general serve 4 years and then fuck off, you only focus on short-term projects. Plus once you're done you can fuck off from the public scene and go spend your stolen money somewhere where the locals don't hate you. Look at what Trudeau is doing, living it up somewhere in Europe. Same for that cunt NZ prime minister, the lady, she ended her term and moved out of her country. Zero consequences.
>>25514201venice fucked themselves up eventually by closing off the free market and trying to make it a frozen caste system with certain families at the top though
>>25515505Any more books like this especially ones that use neo-Malthusian frameworks? I already have A Farewell To AlmsIn other news I now have a total of eight Niall Ferguson books.
>>25515350His book The Ascent Of Money was good except it meandered in the final 1% of the book.
>>25515505can't find it neither on libgen, nor anna's archive
>>25515538those kind of books are just a random collection of academic papers, look at the toc on amazon and then pull them individually from ur alma mater's database or wherever u go for that shit
>>25510774>future historyfresh oc
>>25514201>Scratching the itch of ASOIFOn this topic, anyone has any other recommendations along this? I started reading more about medieval court politics and now I'm looking for more
>>25514815I generally enjoy his writing style, he's definitely a cut above other popular history writers. He seems to be at his best when writing about financial history and/or the British Empire. Some of he lesser books really needed a better book editor.
Anyone know any good books about the Heian period of Japan?
>>25516218You should read The Pillow Book
>>25516218No. None. Fuck off back to /a/ where you belong, WEEB.
>>25516222Will do, thanks.>>25516224That's not very nice anon.
Planning on doing a deep dive into the conflicts that have plagued this particular shithole for centuries. First, the three Anglo wars in the 19th and 20th century with this book, then I'll move to Afghantsy: The Russians In Afghanistan 1979-1989 and then I'll finish with both Steve Coll's Ghost Wars and then The American War In Afghanistan: A History by Carter Malkasian.BUT FIRST... FIRST.... I must finish >>25510777
>>25510777>The amount of spelling mistakes and the forgetting certain words is insane.is it jarring or detrimental to the enjoyment of the book? I don't like little goofs but I am interested in those decolonization of Africa conflicts.
>>25513667
>>25516471Eh, your mileage may vary. It doesn't bother me that much but I can definitely see it bothering someone else. The story is still perfectly legible and followable but it becomes obvious pretty quickly that nobody proofread it. I like Venter though so I forgive it.
>>25516353Solid list. Colls new book on Iraq is very good
>>25515882I'm thinking of hitting the Square And The Tower next, which i think got last Christmas.
Has anyone read this? I just got it from my library and I want to know what I think of it before I start reading
Is there a definitive book or set of books on how jews rose to power in the west?
>>25516605I haven't, but if you're interested in the time just before WWI, I highly recommend The Three Emperors, which is a biography of George, Nicholas and Wilhelm and everything happening in their personal lives and the world at large that led up to the war
any good books on the Belle Epoque that weren't written for a 15-year old Stacy?
>>25514148>Arthur was real.He probably was, but it doesn't matter. His legend outweighs anything he might have been and might have done. People who obsess over the real Arthur don't seem to get the point.
>>25516218Cambridge history of japan
>>25517378Not him but I own that book. Fuck it's dry. It's a really gruelling book to read. "Concise" my fucking arse.
>>25517378For an introduction the Cambridge overviews are excellent
>>25517178this might be up your alley
>>25517378Thanks.
>>25510774Prussian School of historiography or Annales School of historiography?
Ron Powers>Ron Chernow
>>25516620I'll keep my eye open, thank you
>>25516353I read a lot of books about afghanistan, and I liked Afghansty. The author isn't so sympathetic or knowledgable about Afghanistan itself, necessarily, he's way more of a Russia guy. You might want to look at Return of a King or Games Without Rules for something more Afghan-focused
Any good single book Indo-European overview? History/culture/beliefs/technology/etc
>>25520739I would say Horse, Wheel And Language but thats more Anthropology/Archaeology. Maybe picrel but its not really a history book either
I'm reading this
>>25521641Well how is it? Looks interesting.
>>25521641Almost misread the endorsement as Milo Yiannopoulos. Man Greeks have names that all sound the same.
I recommend A True Story by Lucian lol
>>25522050I'm only 90 pages in and its great so far.Its a very detailed break down of all the things that led to the 2008 recession and eurozone crisis. But its also much more. He doesn't just explain the economic side of things, but explains how geopolitics, domestic politics of the US and Western Europe and the changes in the banking system all led to the recession.The only downside for me is that some of the parts get a bit technical, so if you're not familiar with banking/finance aspects it might get harder to follow all the ABCPs, CDOs, repos, SIVs ... Even so, its not that hard to follow the basic point.Highly recommended.
>The World of Late Antiquity>Peter BrownIts poetry in some parts. Read it.
>>25516619When Victims Rule
>>25520739Benjamin W. Fortson IV - Indo-European Language and Culture: An IntroductionJ.P. Mallory - Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture
rate ridiculously long current wish list
>>25523519a lot of "Brief Introductions" on there, those tend to get really boring really fast. The clashings styles and continuous references to material written by others present in the volume makes them a painful experience.
>>25523604I thought it would make better sense to buy those brief introductions first before spending a lot of money on a complete works of Plato or so on or so forth. I already have one about Byzantium which I thought was well-rounded.
>>25523606I was wrong, "A Very Short Intro" is always written by one single author, I'm thinking of another similar series where each chapter was written by a different person. Reading those just ended up being a disconnected mess because there was rarely a focal argument or viewpoint.Go for it, I've just usually found AVSI to be rather unsatisfactory, because it is not only a short but also shallow intro.
what's the best english biography of this nigga?
>>25524000John Röhl's is a good short biography.
Any recommendations for books about the English Civil War in the American colonies?
Can anyone recommend me a good book on the Knights Templar?I'm more interested in their accomplishments than their downfall
>>25525787In that case, read The Templars by Geordie Torr. It just explains what their function was and the battles they fought and their relationships to the odoracer kingdoms.
>>25525791The Goodreads comments are a treasure>too concise>too detailedBut there's also a comment that helpfully described it as military-focused, which is exactly what I wantThanks a bunch anon
>>25525796That's alright. Ironically I got it as a Christmas gift and was surprised by its matter of fact ness.
>>25510774I really should read Anna komenos Byzantine account
>>25521641>Adam ToozeWages Of Destruction is amazing and needs to be read by any WW2 enthusiastTons of myths dispelled with compelling evidence
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>>25516554Are you just saying that because I included Ghost Wars in the list?
Who has the best Napoleon bio on the market?
>>25525803The book of ceremonies is also interesting.
>>25526031Obviously
>>25526049Frank McLynn
My Dad is getting got by so much libtard propaganda on youtube shorts. He just asked me for a bunch of turbopozzed "America is evil!!!1!" history books from one particular video of a hysterical woman reaction to a recent executive order. Do any of you have some recommendations on a comprehensive book or series on American history? I am not asking for a chudded-out history book that denies any infringement on human rights ever on the part of the USA, just something somewhat more objective than what the girlies on tiktok are buying to rot on their shelves.
>>25526708I'm sorry, I don't come here often and I won't come back to this thread specifically. I don't know who else to turn to in this moment of need. Also I had enough of hearing how important Africans were to the formation of the country in my obligatory college class for an entirely unrelated degree.
>>25526714>meme degreeYour father hates you and no respect for you at all.
>>25526732You can't know it's a meme degree without knowing what it is (though I suppose all degrees are trending to being a meme) and you may be right, but I would still like to get this man a decent history book if he wishes to read one but has no means to actually find one.
>>25526746BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAWHAWHAWHAAAAAAAWWWWW...
>frogposter thinks he is clever
>>25526049If you're up for it, go for Michael Broers 3-volume bio of Nappie. Otherwise the Andrew Roberts one.
>The proliferating profusion of possible political permutations among the pullulating peoples and parties of the Polish provinces in this period palpably prevented the propagation of permanent pacts between potential partners.
>>25526679>He reported me for "trolling outside of /b/ You little fucking bitch
>>25520698I added both books you had suggested to the Afghan TBR pile and now my to-be-read page count is now well over 3,000 pages.Th-thanks...
Been reading The Power Broker by Caro. This muthafucka really liked PARKS, huh?
>>25528498I hope to get that someday
What do we think about Catharine Nixey and her thesis that crossniggers destroyed the world?
>>25528831Well, going by her own atheist (humanist) principles, I don't believe in her thesis therefore it's not true
>>25528831typical anti-christian academic funded by jewish NGOs. I shant be reading.
>>25525528I know about the English Civil War and the Revolutionary War. Not sure what you're asking here. I could help if I knew.
>>25525528The English Civil War didn't extend to the colonies.
>>25528831>ideologies are causes rather than consequenceslmao!
I'm looking for books on the history of tea if anyone has any suggestionsI know it's a niche topic - but it's worth askingI'm interested in 'A Thirst for Empire: How Tea Shaped the Modern World - Erika Rappaport' as I also enjoy British Empire history.I'm not looking at books on tea drinking specifically (as it's a hobby, so I've learned a lot already), I'm looking to learn more about the trade and politics behind the commodity. I'm open to different eras and other perspectives such as China and Japan, i.e. I'm not just interested in the British talking tea plants, and setting up plantations in India, Sri Lanka, East Africa, and so on.
>>25529191Can't handle your feelings being hurt?
>>25529247The True History of Tea
>>25529545hurt by what exactly? its not my fault academics are snake oil salesman these days peddling false cures to society's ailments. besides I was busy downloading music and trying to fix my external HD's errors after unplugging it. I don't have time to have "feelings"
>>25529247Ukers All About Tea is rare and dated, but very comprehensive and even its outdated material is interesting as a window on the world of the 1930s Its one of my favorite books I own. You can get into granular topics like the price tea is selling for in specific ports around the world, or popular field songs of Japanese tea-pickers
>>25530158>>25530467Thanks, Anons. I'll add them to the list to check out. I found this vid from the author of the book I mentioned. Might be of interest to you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d66-XCQ5kSc
i love frogs and soijaks and history but i HATES janniesread the ethics of liberty by rothbard
>>25529201https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_overseas_possessions_in_the_Wars_of_the_Three_Kingdoms>>25529215I read in Antonia Fraser biography on Charles II that royalist forces under the Prince Rupert raided Commonwealth ships in the Caribbean during his exile in France.And I'm sure there would've been some conflict between Puritans and pro-Royalists colonists in the North American colonies.
>>25530735Wrong.
>>25524000i have picrel
>>25510774I'm currently reading this entirely because of the cover. By the way, I would appreciate suggestions for books on the British Industrial revolution. But general recommendations on the industrial revolution as a whole or in other countries are also appreciated.
>>25531104I have that, how is it?
I have to read this book before I can buy the new AOE2 DLC
does anyone have a medieval european history book to recommendi genuinely know nothing about that era and looks very interestingmaybe a german one specifically
>>25532026Juliet Barker's Agincourt is definitive on the subject, and a fine introduction to practical late medieval warfare and British rule.(the wiki article on the battle has devolved into a "nuh uh!" in response to this book by salty frogs)other than that, consider anything by Christopher Dyer
Any recommendations for books about "The Battle of Nations" (1813 battle of Leipzig)?
>>25532707not a book but I've been to the monument in Leipzig for that battle. It's just outside the city, next to a cemetery. Absolutely beautiful.
I've given up reading pretty much all fiction this year, here's a selection of the history I'm reading atm:>How England Began - Nicholas J Higham>The Ancient Celts - Barry Cunliffe>Anglo-Saxon England - Sir Frank Stenton>Horse, Wheel, Language - David AnthonyAny suggestions based on these are mucho appreciado und willkommen
>>25530467I grabbed a pdf of Ukers All About Tea from anna's. You're right, it's a very interesting book. I don't mind it being outdated, as you say - that's some of the charm. Do you have the hard back? It seems to be very expensive. I found a youtube vid from a nice girl who has a book and tea channel. She also mentioned 'The Tale of Tea by George van Driem' and that looks like a good book too.
I'm new to history, where the heck should I even start?>but what period are you interested in broI don't know... All of them? Is there like one book that gives you a world history overview, maybe?
>>25533210You read this entire article>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_historyThen you look for books about periods that caught your attention.Also, watch this for the memes>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs
>>25533210Penguin History of the World. It's a good, very general overview. It's a big paperback, but it's really several volumes in one. You'll probably find yourself drawn to a certain section and then after you can start to explore that topic.
>>25510774I've been reading Religion and the Decline of Magic. So far I'm mostly in the religion part, and the differing approach towards faith and bitterness felt between Catholics, Anglicans and various dissenters in the 16th/17th centuries is starker than I had thought from the point of view of someone who last went to church as a kid. I'm much more in the habit of reading fiction so it kind of feels easier going to read a history book, as imagining things playing out is not always as important. Also the flimsy paperback I have began to fall apart the second I started reading the book, stupid book binders.
>>25533210E.H. Gombrich's A Little History of the World is an Edwardian children's classic. It was originally published in 1936, so it's also an amazing snapshot into a certain historical view of the world in and of itself.
>>25533143yeah its really expensive, a friend gave it to me and its treasure because I could never afford that sort of thing on my own. I've had it for ten years or so nowThanks for the cool recommendations, tea is always a worthy subject>>25533112Cunliffe was dry, but there is an appalling lack of good continental celt literature in english compared to how much the french have. I also would like a good rec for reading about gaul
>>25533210A History of the Modern World by R. R. Palmer
Is it worth reading the book if I liked the HBO miniseries?
Any chinese history recommendations? Don't have a specific time period in mind but something good. I know those chinese fellas had a lot of fun times and I'd like to know more about it
>>25535101Keay's On China is a good wide overview, and then you can look up more specific stuff by stephen platt
Is Ron Chernow's Washington biography any good? What about his Rockefeller, Grant, and Hamilton biographies? I'm wary because apparently his Hamilton biography was what inspired the play which sucked from a historical perspective, and now his public persona seems to be intertwined with it.
>>25535206the Hamilton book made it far more clear that he was an evil yankee who engaged in nefarious capitalism, it was a way more balanced look at the man than the play
>>25535342I guess capitalism is only evil when it benefits us, if it benefits the third world its good.
Can anyone recommend a good book about the Ivan the Terrible?
>>25535380This is the only one I have
>>25535382Hasn't gotten lot of praise, it seems. But I'll keep that one in my mind.
>>25510774Is there any books on historical forest and foliage management like the first chapter of James C. Scott's Seeing Like A State and William Cronon's Changes In The Land?
>>25535375warning: evil nefarious capitalism ahead>Aaron Burr’s brother-in-law, Dr. Joseph Browne, blamed contaminated water for the recurrent outbreaks of yellow fever—the city still depended on often polluted wells—and submitted a plan to the Common Council for drawing fresh water from the Bronx River. Browne’s plan contemplated the creation of a private water corporation chartered by the state legislature. The piped water was also hailed as a panacea for other civic needs, ranging from fighting fires to washing filthy streets. Although the Common Council applauded the basic concept of a water company, it countered with a proposal for a public company to conduct this business.>In reality, Browne’s plan was a ruse concocted by Burr, who had no interest whatever in pure water but considerable interest in setting up a Republican bank. Among the many putative advantages Hamilton and his Federalist associates enjoyed in New York politics was a virtual monopoly over local banking. At the start of 1799, both of the banks in New York City happened to be the brainchildren of Alexander Hamilton: the Bank of New York and the local branch of the Bank of the United States. Republican businessmen nursed a perennial grievance that these banks discriminated against them, one Republican journalist charging that “it became at length impossible for men engaged in trade to advocate republican sentiments without sustaining material injury…. As the rage and violence of party increased, directors became more rigorous in enforcing their system of exclusion.” It is not clear that Republicans were actually penalized, but the suspicion was certainly abroad. Hamilton opposed the vogue for state banks that proliferated in the 1790s, less from narrow political motives than from a fear that competition among banks would dilute credit standards and invite imprudent lending practices as bankers vied for clients.>Now a member of the New York Assembly, Burr knew that any politician who smashed the Federalist monopoly in local banking would attain heroic status among Republicans—at least those who did not regard banks as diabolical instruments. Easy access to a bank also appealed to an incorrigible spendthrift such as Burr, who had ongoing money problems. In early 1797, toward the end of his term in the U.S. Senate, his financial troubles had grown so acute that he had neglected his legislative duties. To establish a New York bank, he had to scale a very high hurdle. The state legislature conferred bank charters, and it was currently under Federalist sway; in those days, every New York corporation engaged in business needed a legislative charter. As the crafty Burr cast about for a stratagem that would let him sneak a bank charter past the opposition party, he hit upon the unlikely subterfuge of using the proposed water company as a blind.
>>25535375>>25536106>In a cunning political sleight of hand, Burr lined up a bipartisan coalition of six luminaries—three Republicans and three Federalists—to approach the Common Council as sponsors of his proposal for a private water company. For his Federalist phalanx, he recruited Gulian Verplanck, president of the Bank of New York; John Murray, president of the Chamber of Commerce; and his greatest prize, Major General Alexander Hamilton. Why did Hamilton go along with Burr? Burr had recently flirted with the Federalists and had cooperated with Hamilton to fortify New York City against a French invasion. For the moment, the two men stood on a relatively good footing. Hamilton had survived yellow fever and would have favored a project to save the city from further epidemics. Hamilton may also have been investigating a business opportunity for John B. Church. Angelica had prodded her husband to give up his parliamentary career and return to America, but now Church seemed bored, if fabulously prosperous, in New York. Hamilton noted, “He has little to do [and] time hangs heavy on his hands.”21 Church emerged as a director of the Manhattan Company, which may have been a precondition for Hamilton’s participation. “Whatever Hamilton’s motives,” one Burr biographer has written, “no member of the committee of six worked harder [than Hamilton] to make possible Aaron Burr’s upcoming triumph in the New York legislature.>On February 22, 1799, Hamilton and Burr marched into the office of Mayor Richard Varick to plead the water company’s case. After conferring with an English canal engineer, Hamilton drew up an impressive memo that went far beyond waterworks to a systematic plan for draining city swamps and installing sewers. Persuaded by Hamilton, the Common Council ceded the final decision to the state legislature. Burr must have savored the situation: he was exploiting Alexander Hamilton and enlisting his foe’s mighty pen in a clandestine Republican cause. It was exactly the sort of joke that the drolly mysterious Burr treasured. He also got Hamilton to prepare a memo for the state legislature in support of a private water company. In late March, obliging state legislators approved the creation of the Manhattan Company, and on April 2 an unsuspecting Governor John Jay signed this act into law. Earlier promises about the company providing free water to combat fires and repair city streets damaged by laying pipes—standard features of water-company contracts in other states—had been quietly deleted by Burr from the final bill.
>>25535375>>25536106>>25536109>As usual, the devil lay in the details. At the final moment, with many legislators having departed for home and others too lazy to examine the fine print, Burr embedded a brief provision in the bill that widened immeasurably the scope of future company activities. This momentous language said “that it shall and may be lawful for the said company to employ all such surplus capital as may belong or accrue to the said company in the purchase of public or other stock or in any other monied transactions of operations.” The “surplus capital” loophole would allow Burr to use the Manhattan Company as a bank or any other kind of financial institution. The Federalists had dozed right through this deception because they knew of the Republican antipathy for banks and also because Burr had cleverly decorated the board with eminent Federalists.>On April 22, when Manhattan Company shares went on sale, they were instantly snapped up. In early September, dropping any pretense that it was principally a water company, the company opened with great fanfare its new “office of discount and deposit” on Wall Street. This bank immediately posed a competitive threat to the Bank of New York, now housed in an elegant two-story building down the block at Wall and William Streets. By its wondrously vague charter—a magic carpet of corporate possibilities—the Manhattan Company was allowed to raise two million dollars, operate anywhere, and go on in perpetuity, whereas the Bank of New York had less than one million in capital, was restricted to operations in the city, and had a charter that expired in 1811.>Perhaps the least of Aaron Burr’s sins in organizing the Manhattan Company was his having gulled Hamilton and state legislators into granting a bank charter under false pretenses. Far more grievous were the fraudulent claims he had made for a water company. The plan set forth by Joseph Browne to rid the city of yellow fever by delivering fresh water proved a sham in Burr’s nimble hands. In July 1799, the betrayed Browne wrote pathetically to Burr, “I expect and hope that enough will be done to satisfy the public and particularly the legislature that the institution is not a speculating job [but] an undertaking from whence will result immediate and incalculable advantages to the City of New York.” The doctor was swiftly disabused. The Manhattan Company promptly scrapped plans to bring water from the Bronx River—the directors had already raided its “surplus capital” for the bank—and instead drew impure water from old wells, pumping it through wooden pipes. That summer, yellow fever returned to New York with a vengeance. Not only had Burr’s plan failed to provide pure water but it had thwarted other sound plans afoot, including those for a municipal water company. I don't know what level of culture wars you have to be on to defend this sort of stuff sight-unseen to own the libs
>>25536115I'm just saying that despite what one thinks of Hamilton lets not forget that any culture that falls behind in regards to economic growth people assume the responsibility falls on us to clean up the mess, so which one is it? Are third worlders cognitively capable as us or do they need handouts from the world because capitalism is a western invention which the noble savage cannot comprehend? It cannot be both. You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.
>>25536452>world*first world
>>25536452right lesson, wrong time, I think>>25536115> At the final moment, with many legislators having departed for home and others too lazy to examine the fine print, Burr embedded a brief provision in the bill that widened immeasurably the scope of future company activities. This momentous language said “that it shall and may be lawful for the said company to employ all such surplus capital as may belong or accrue to the said company in the purchase of public or other stock or in any other monied transactions of operations.”lmaoas a career bean-counter this coup tickles me no end
>>25534905>Is it worth readingYes it is, it's companion piece 1776 is also quite good. >>25535206>Is Ron Chernow's Washington biography any good? Not really, it's definitely hagiography. Read James Thomas Flexner or Douglas Southall Freeman instead. >What about his RockefellerIt's excellent.>I'm wary because apparently his Hamilton biography was what inspired the playHis Hamilton biography is actually pretty solid, much better than his Washington book. Feel free to ignore that second-rate musical.
If you are reading Douglas Southall Freeman, his works on Robert E. Lee are far his best I think
Can anyone recommend various time period books on the history of Britain and Scotland? Something with modern scholarship and discoveries but absent the more modern absurdities that the UK seems to have been made to embody? I'm particularly interested in the pre-Roman stuff, or things about the Manx, but frankly if it's a good yarn I'll take what I can get.I'm also fond of gentleman travellogues, if you've any suggestions. I recently read Athelstan Riley's Athos, which was hilarious. Anywhere, any time period. The snapshots of a time period they provide are great.
I know it's a broad topic but what are some books on North American natives? I'm specifically interested in the overall tribal culture of American Indians. North, South, East, West, doesn't really matter to me, just something that doesn't infantilize them like the last few decades of popular discourse has.
>>25538146Cultivating a Landscape of peace by Matthew Dennis. I can't tell where it rests in the context of Haudenosaunee scholarship though. From very secondary experience he seems like he was fairly foundational.
>>25536502I tried reading Flexner and got bored really quickly
>>25510774aside from Peter H. Wilson and James Bryce, what are the best histories of The Holy Roman Empire? anything that counters the thesis of either would be appreciated.
>>25516353I heard this one is good too.
>>25538425isn't that guy a huge apologist for India?
>>25538004I have this but its a dry academic work that I also sicced on my closest internet buddy
>>25538146Flashman and the Redskins
>>25538471I'll take what I can get, frankly. Thanks. Any others are appreciated.
>>25538530"Islands of the Evening" is largely about the Hebrides, and isn't dry(it isn't good thoughbeit)
Which one on the last years of the Ottomans and break up of the empire?
>>25538357They would all be in German
>>25538875Sean McMeekin' Ottoman Endgame is usually recommented in these threads
>>25538927that blows. oh well. maybe some secondary literature.>>25538932I've only seen it recommended once, I tried reading it a few weeks ago but keeping up with all the events was exhausting.
>>25538927I suspected as much given I have repeatedly tried to find out how to learn about Medieval Germany, but routinely came up with nothing. Surely you'd think at least one English-speaking historian would care about any of it? But nope, unless it's a biography of Frederick II, there's nothing.
>>25510774The Making of England by C Warren Hollister is also a good survey of Anglo-Saxon EnglandHollister is pretty much your classic really chatty professor, his book is really accessible.
>>25538875I really enjoyed Fall of the Ottomans, it flowed well and covered a lot of the Middle East during the war. It gave a good overview of the Ottoman Empire prior to the War.
>>25539234William Stubbs wrote some
>>25538146Comanches: The History of a People by T.R. FehrenbachCrazy Horse: A Life by Larry McMurtryThe Lance and the Shield: The Life and Times of Sitting Bull by Robert UtleyA Sorrow in Our Heart: The Life of Tecumseh by Allan Eckert
Any breezy recs for a general history, maybe for the 19th century onwards? I'm incredibly uneducated when it comes to history, and I decided to start off with Braudel on my friend's recommendation.I've been working through his Civilization and Capitalism trilogy and A History of Civilizations. I'm pretty much constantly googling, but enjoying the process. After this I was thinking of reading Marc Bloch's Feudal Society and Hobsbawm's stuff, also based off of recommendations.
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>>25540212I own a decent chunk of Annales stuff, but when I tried to read Feudal Society my mind wasn't in the right place. I did like Braudel and Pirenne though.btw is picrel a good place to start with mesoamerican history? not my copy, btw. I have mine on an e-reader
>>25540212I'm actually going to recommend a, may allah forgive me for uttering this word, podcast or two to you. One focuses on weirder aspects of history and gives sources, the other fixes on larger events and their backgrounds and is quite accessible - as well as reasonably accurate, and you can follow links through episodes. Hardcore History is the more general one, and programmed to chill the more esoteric one. Its early episodes are best, pretty much the Imperial Japan and everything before that, but Hardcore History is fantastic the whole way through, free or paid, and gives you some interesting books to flip through yourself.Damn near every history I know is stupidly academic or very focused, so I find these useful for following through lines and trends.
Does anyone have a recommendation for history books that focus on the Northern Renaissance?
>>25540212>breezy recs for a general historyE.H. Gombrich's A Little History Of The World is a classicit's a children's book but it gives you the broad strokes before WW2, which is pretty interesting>>25540333>I'm actually going to recommend a, may allah forgive me for uttering this word, podcast or two to youyou must say ten takbirs and twenty alohas in penance
>>25539234There's joachim whaley Plus https://historyofthegermans.com/books/
>>25538927Post them.
Is Raymond Ibrahim decent or is he a meme
I haven't read it but I've heard great things about it. The life of a public executioner in the Holy Roman Empire.>THE EXTRAORDINARY STORY OF A RENAISSANCE-ERA EXECUTIONER AND HIS WORLD, BASED ON A RARE AND OVERLOOKED JOURNAL.In a dusty German bookshop, the noted historian Joel F. Harrington stumbled upon a remarkable the journal of a sixteenth-century executioner. The journal gave an account of the 394 people Meister Frantz Schmidt executed, and the hundreds more he tortured, flogged, or disfigured for more than forty-five years in the city of Nuremberg. But the portrait of Schmidt that gradually emerged was not that of a monster. Could a man who practiced such cruelty also be insightful, compassionate—even progressive?In The Faithful Executioner, Harrington teases out the hidden meanings and drama of Schmidt's journal. Deemed an official outcast, Meister Frantz sought to prove himself worthy of honor and free his children from the stigma of his profession. Harrington uncovers details of Schmidt's life and the shocking, but often familiar, crimes of the day; the medical practice that he felt was his true calling; and his lifelong struggle to reconcile his craft with his religious faith.In this groundbreaking and intimate portrait, Harrington shows us that our thinking about justice and punishment, and our sense of our own humanity, are not so remote from the world of The Faithful Executioner.
>>25541393I've heard his name but I need a qrd on him
>>25541393I like reading him, especially when he's writing about warrior-monks.
>>25510774Any books on indigenous political history like picrel or Graeber & Wengrow's works?
>>25542171>>25538186 But it doesn't only touch on politics. However its a big part of the book.
>>25542192Recommendations?
>>25542193This one >>25538186
>>25542196Anymore?
>Cutting-edge revisionist history
>Author starts verbally sucking off this Russian military officer who was active during the war Count Christopher Lieven>Wait a minute >Authors last name is Lieven>HMMMMMMMM....Turns out he's a distant relative.
need a big comfy book about naval history
>>25543397>a quote that isnt too long would fit into this area Uh, thanks NYT i guess
What's the most myopic history book?I want 500 pages covering an event that lasted 5 minutes.
>>25543465You want microhistory.
Any good books on the history of Judaism & Jewish people that isn't written in a manner that always depicts Jews as 100% innocent always? I just want something accurate.
>>25543434The Spanish Armada by Colin Martin and Geoffrey Parker 1812: The Navy's War by George DaughanCastles of Steel by Robert MassieWorld War II at Sea by Craig Symonds
>>25543478ok so what's the smallest microhistory?whats the record for words per minute of event?
>>25543576A History of Judaism
>>25543808>Craig SymondssecondedI read his Midway and it was perfect
What's the greatest single volume ever written about the Napoleonic Wars that's actually a real entertaining page-turner? (Not dry, stale bullshit)
>>25543576Jewish History For Dummies
>>25543386What’s wrong, chud? Didn’t know the instrumental influence the Comanche had on the Declaration of Independence? They practically wrote it.
>>25543933Sharpe's Eagle
>>25543881I wish I could tell you but I haven't read enough microhistory to say.I guess books like night battles by ginzburg or great cat massacre by darnton might be up your alley. Beats me.
>>25543881I would say probably one assassination event. The action itself takes really short amount of time, dagger or pistol and it's done. The description of the event itself won't take the entire book but maybe one chapter to describe the entire day maybe more if the writer describe the point of view of the victim and the assassin. The rest of the book will be about why, when and where the even happened don't know if that part works for you. Other possibility could be a short battle and the book is only about that battle in particular, will be very heavy on military which I'm not a fan of so I can't really help you there either. World war 1 or 2 small escarmouche somewhere, I'm sure you can find a guy writing an entire book on a few hours thing. Special forces operations could be something to look into, few hours one place an entire book on it sure it can also be found.
>>25543478>>25544715I thought microhistory was a different thing. It was focusing on events affecting one or few individuals, people often overlooked by Grand History. Books like this one >>25541660 or Guinzburg's The Cheese and The Worms, focusing on one individual but at the same time trying to showcase the spirit of an era. Nothing to do with how long the event lasted.
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>>25543933Waterloo by Cornwall
Any recommendations for a one volume history for the US Civil war? I'm not from the US, so it's not something I covered in school. I'm UK, so I have an overview of North America from a colonial point of view. I have the Penguin History of USA and Penguin History of Canada on my reading pile. I enjoy military history so would like to read a book on the civil war after those two. Ideally something that will expand on the History of the USA book. I'm trying to avoid multiple books or huge, academic tomes. I'd like avoid, or limit as much as possible, any books that just superimpose modern politics onto the subject or serve to lecture me on what are the 'correct opinions' etc. Google seems to recommend James M. McPherson 'Battle Cry of Freedom'.
>>25544702That's fiction>>25544946Already read that, at least four times.
>>25544946spoilsport lol>>25545019I was going to rec that nextJac Weller's Wellington in the Peninsula was a source for Cornwell, you should read thatit has orbats for Wellington's army, I found that very interesting, though heaven knows how accurate they areI also found these memoirs excellent and not at all boringThe Military Memoirs Of An Infantry Officer: 1809-1816 by Jefferson Archibald Hope>https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/74122/pg74122-images.htmlA British Rifle Man, by George Simmons>https://www.gutenberg.org/files/50744/50744-h/50744-h.htm
>>25540333>trip 3's nicebut you mentioned hardcore history then didn't give the name of the other podcast.
>>25545146I did, it's Programmed to Chill. The main issue is that the guy got a bit weird and it can be hard to fine and that his voice is the audio equivalent of chemical bulk food filler - nothing in particular. It did bear out in my further reading from his sources and other stuff I later tracked down that the Soviet Union may have come about because Allen Dulles wanted a threesome with two 'spectacularly busty Swiss sisters' in a ski lodge which meant he didn't interview Lenin. I think Dulles was embarassed about it later in life.
>>25544856I saw that
>>25545635Why are the feds so corrupt?
>>25545683The books I got from it, especially the Sullivan and Cromwell stuff, were genuinely interesting but aside from the window dressing there was little qualitative difference between him, the Manchurian Railroad Company shenanigans and what Krupp got up to. Hell, Krupp even changed it up and had their own Epstein scandal when market competition got boring. I was shocked when I didn't find many jews, mostly around Sullivan and Cromwell which is American so it tracks.Tl;dr Because they can be.
>>25545696sounds like bullshit anti-English propaganda honestly. current right wing equivalent of "whitey be always racist n sheeiit" its really no different.
>>25545721The Manchurian railroad company was a Japanese pre ww1 colonial instrument, Sullivan and Cromwell were terrifically American and Krupp was german (right down to.. Alfred, I think? needing the smell of shit to inspire him). No English there.
>>25545085Thanks buuuuuuddy. I'll look into those.
>>25545792I mean WASP
>>25545005>James M. McPherson 'Battle Cry of Freedom'That's about the best you're going to get in a single volume.
>>25545696DO you recommend any books to learn about the Shenanigans of Krupp and the German captains of Industry? I've been able to do well enough with famous American magnates plus the Japanese Zaibatsu (which iirc included the company), but I have not found anything meaty about German equivalents. Or even continental ones.
>>25545963The Arms of Krupp, the House of Krupp and Blood and Steel by William Manchester, Peter Batty and Bernhard Menne, respectively, is what I read. All about the Krupps.Who Financed Hitler is more general, that's by James Pool but is useful. If you want more general stuff, try a law unto itself by Nancy Lisago and the Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot. That's mostly the CIA is at it again!
>>>Coalitions finally stop and do away with the man that many of them thought was the literal antichrist who had embroiled all of Europe in endless war for half a generation, killing millions >"Eh" don't wanna stir the pot, best just throw him into exile>Escapes, comes back and does it AGAIN>Finally stop him AGAIN after thousands more are killed>Ummmm.... better exile him somewhere MORE remote this time.WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST CUT HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF!?!
Looking for mostly art books on the subject of medieval cathedrals, churches but also priory and monasteries in western but also eastern Europe. The buildings and structures but also related sculting, carpentry and anything close to it. If you have good academical books on the matter please feel free to add them too but I have a quite furnished pseudo collection on the matter already.
>>25547482didn't want to martyr him I guessthey thought France might still have a lot of sympathisers who would revolt if they executed him outrightWaterloo proved them right>>25547680post your collection please
>>25510774good histories of specific eras (except the Gilded Age, already got two of those)
>>25544817Well I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine
