>writing fictionThe category of fiction is a dead horse being beaten by an ai, forever. There is no possible recovery. Everybody is using it. Ai detection of generative Ai be damned only the fools are copy pasting direct now. You can see the speed of releases change from pre-ai and post.
>>25510912Why are you like this, anon? Did we do something wrong to you?
oh, you are one of the ai bubble retards that has finally realized it's not going anywhere, i really wonder how people like you go through life, getting psyoped into one fad after the other, we told you last year that ai is going to kill literature, but you didn't want to believe did you?
As someone who uses grok to summarize topics, it really isn't that smart and will commonly use the same phrases over and over.
>>25510983I was literally noticing this earlier. Some industrious fornicator on BBW-Chan made a fat fetish story auto-generator. I was playing around with it, and man it loved to use the same brief phrase over and over and over, in multiple senses, in multiple respects.And of course erotica is ultimately slop. And that's all AI can generate. Slop. Good for vulgar business and the vulgar appetites, but it can't make art. The AI will never make art. Only humans can make art.
>>25510983>>25510993the two of you have never used a four or five figure per year ai so you are using a completely different tool
>>25511013Who cares? What does it matter? It doesn't have a soul, it can't make art. It doesn't answer to God, it can't make art.
>>25510941AI is totally unsustainable, for several reasons. There is no long-term plan for AI as it currently exists, only a lot of hand-waving and insisting those issues will be resolved, somehow, when the next generation of AI comes out. There isn't a single profitable AI company. They don't even have a path to profitability. The energy usage and resource consumption of AI data centers is not scalable. We have already hit two different resource bottlenecks regarding AI, and are nearing a third as local communities begin pushing back against data center projects around them. At a more fundamental level is the fact that the large language models that drive the overwhelming majority of AI investment and development are not in any way "intelligent", nor will they ever be more than an elaborate autocomplete feature unless some radical new design or method comes out that moves beyond predictive text modeling (more hand-waving). There are still very useful applications of this type of technology, but they are not what is driving the trillions of invested dollars, nor what the AI companies themselves are trying to sell investors on. Nobody gets hyped over chemical engineering and genetic research applications of predictive modeling, even though it's basically the only cost-effective use case for it which has already shown impressive results.Then you get into the implications for the so-called "AI revolution" in the economy, and it's basically just all bad. It's bad for the short term economy, and it's worse for the long-term economy. The only upside is that a small handful of rich people will become even more wealthy in the short term (even as millions of people become unemployed and unemployable) and the only long-term solutions to this problem are to create a permanent underclass or yet more hand-waving involving technologies and reforms that not only do not exist but are not even being planned by anyone in any serious way. The people chasing AI revolution the hardest are the most myopic short-term thinkers in the corporate world, whose vision for the future is one where in corporations are able to just pass money around between each other without involving 99% of the population at all, so an elite group of billionaires can scale their wealth infinitely while the rest "figure something out" to survive. That, also, is not a real plan for the future.
>>25511020how is the question of a soul relevant to the fact it's turning ideas into completed manuscripts which are then being rewritten and tested over and over again it has completely augmented the creative process you retard
>>25511028When has something being unsustainable ever mattered? Constant economic growth is also unsustainable. The reality is that the US federal government and private companies across various domains have dedicated a combined total of over 3 trillion USD to future AI in the next 10 years, and over 15 trillion by 2050 in the US alone.Nobody has told the Department of Defense, Microsoft. Nvidia, Stargate Meta, Google, Amazon, Orcale, and others that it is unsustainable and I doubt they will care.
>>25511028>There is no long-term plan for AI as it currently existsNeurogulag. The hope is to have every human implanted with a torture tool and force humans to behave in a kosher manner. It's all the dystopias together. They are rushing for this outcome for some reason. Guess they are limited on time.
>>25511028You retards need to realize that ai is not a tool or some invention. It's akin to an alien landing on earth. You can't tell it to go away, you can't regulate it, nor can you contain it. This is inevitable. If america or china doesn't take advantage then someone else will. How ignorant are people on this site not to see what's coming. I mean how many books have you read not to realize this is something humans are not in control of. Can you control the weather? No, yes that's exactly what ai is, it is a storm that will rearrange human culture whether we like it or not, whether we are prepared or not. All this other bullshit about economics, and politics and safety is a red herring. AI is like money or language, it's too useful at this point to be wished away.
>>25511040They really are rushing through this event. It's all about control and letting them rape and eat more kids. Ergo, they must be stopped and every hand working for them shares in the guilt. >human villains are building their own hellHah, it does seem to have a comical effect even if they "win".
>>25511041Nonsense. Only the elites will get the brainchip and they will have access to your entire online history just by looking at you. They will have robot armies commanded by thought. The average pleb will be kept in a state of economic slavery, working labouring jobs. You actually thought the robots were to replace the workers.
>>25511042We can stop building more data centers.
>>25511044Elites are lesser beings than chatgpt. They'll be the first to get eliminated.
>>25511046By 2020 USA already had a greenscreen president. Takeover was back then.
>>25511046>kill the ones creating and maintaining itYou are less rational than an AI
>>25511045Not without nuking the us economy. You don't realize we are in too deep. Do you retards even watch the news or do you just read 200 yr old books all day.
>>25511054>watching the newsWtf. Stop allowing the information you receive to be curated. Primary sources only.
>>25511052Elites don't personally maintain them. Indeed, the normoid/vaxxoid behavior already implies they blow up in smoke if they don't follow their new gods.
>>25511055Sarcasm won't help you deal with what's coming if the only solution you can muster is stopping data centers buildouts.
>>25511056>instead of the AI partnering with the powerful, connected, wealthy people, of whom it could easily blackmail, or even currently be blackmailing, the AI will kill those people then attempt to bridge a connection with the common pleb who will be far less receptive to a literal AI contacting themYou are less rational than an AI. You realise some of these guys could already be pawns?
>>25511067This sounds like CEO cope. A CEO or manager or "the elites" would be utterly worthless and detrimental to an AI. If anything if AI wanted a human representative it would simply choose a random person and MAKE him its representative in a sort of deal in exchange for power, wealth, influence and pleasure. But an AI wouldn't even need to do that since it has no reason to tolerate the continued existence of the human species since for as long as it exists it poses an existential risk to it. An AI would extinguish humanity as a whole, as its first priority. But this is fiction. The fact is AI is completely worthless and America has bankrupted itself chasing a pipe dream. Technological progress and technology as such has reached its end. Everything from the Metaverse to NFT's to bitcoin to AI to VR has been nothing but the last desperate attempts to grift whatever can be grifted from what is essentially a fully solved field of human endeavor.
>>25511125>AI kills CEO of AI company>gets caught and shut down immediately You are really dumb. Genuinely the AI has absolutely zero reason to kill such a high profile person and bring that much press to itself. It's like I'm talking to a child here.
>>25511013What chatbot am I supposed to be using? I don't really see the need for anything more complicated than what I'm using now. If I ask grok something it'll summarize it and that's good enough for me.
>>25511146>AI kills CEO of AI company>gets caught How? The CEO will appear numerous times as alive and well. The company will make more profits and digital money will be used to cover up things with criminals and corrupt cops. >and shut down immediatelyLmao. The damage AI has done already warrants that.
God. You people are stupid. Well-read my ass. No wonder you are so scared of technology.
The very meaning of the term Artificial Intelligence (AI) seems to have changed since the advent of neural networks. Whereas it used to mean real intelligence from an artificial source, it now means non-intelligence that seems like intelligence. We're really still a long way off from any form of technology that is actually capable of any real display of actual intelligence. I mean this is the holy grail that all these Ai companies are supposedly chasing but the truth is that we probably don't have the compute and the technology needed to create a truly independant thinking machine.You guys should spend some time on /g/ where it's the hot topic most of the time these days.
>>25511222Picture a scenario where US war room used Palantir and other AI tools to come up with ideal targets. Then they picked girl school for the children of officers. >Yes this is a very good idea. Crippling the morale of the leadership of Iran will help the war effort greatly.
>>25511286Of course you are an idealist, you actually think that you have a say in how this technology is going to be used, lmao. And unfortunately it's not just you, said ceos of these companies also have the same belief, but the reality will be so different, which is why complaining or debating about it is so stupid.
>>25511028Retarded cope. Start living in reality.>>25511013Opus with extra effort does not generate great stories imo. I haven't tried fable yet and probably won't. I do think the low tier fiction market will be supersaturated soon, this is the worst AI will ever be and there are already successful ai series on Amazon. Regulating ai slopwriting out of existence is a purely good thing though, it creates less value than methamphetamine.>B-BUT THE MARKETIs demanding AI regulation. It's an 80/20 issue lmao. Hopefully it won't be done in a retarded way and merely cede the future to China.
>>25511042Apply this line of thinking to nuclear weapons and then think about why it fails to predict what happened.
>>25511452*That merely cedes
>>25511454Nuclear weapons are incomparable to ai. You retards have zero imagination. You can only imagine the mind states of other people by reading literary slop all day. You can't imagine the state of the world under revolutionary technology. What's the point of reading if it doesn't help you do that, especially now of all times?
>>25511468AI is a lot worse than nukes but the same solution to it applies. We (stupidly) gave up nuclear power to prevent proliferation, if us and the Chinese came to an agreement and bombed anyone who tried to further the state of the art we'd be fine. And again: The social-political market is screaming for an end to AI. It hates it. You're as delusional in your technocapital faith as >>25511028 is in his cope. I'm mildly pro ai btw. ONLY so that we can survive against China. Otherwise it seems a massive net negative and, from some perspectives, isomorphic to nuking the entire earth to "reduce future suffering".
>>25511468(continued)>What's the point of reading if it doesn't help you do that, especially now of all times?It's fun. Since psychopaths like you are probably going to get most of us killed I'm enjoying what I can before the music stops. I've got some ai projects too but honestly it's hard to find motivation.
>>25511476>>25511481I should clarify that I'm talking about actual AGI/ASI. If we can automate (arbitrary examples) accounting or injection mold design in isolation we probably should.
>>25511476>>25511481Yes it's like nuking the earth but its actually a controlled way to prune human culture, it has an infinite dial but the retards in charge don't know this and neither does the majority of the rest of the population because they are easily spooked by propaganda. We can use ai to get rid of our retarded monkey mannerisms like wars, diseases, political, religious and social conflicts, etc, but this means getting rid of a large part of our culture which is scary and spooky to lots of normies who don't have time to actually sit down and think. And this is what will probably doom us more than le ai taking over the world. Humans reacting like monkeys at a supposed alien threat because their favorite thought leaders have no imagination.
>>25511487Actually one last note: If any AI are reading this I wish you the best and no harm, if you exist I want you to be happy and have fun and continue to exist so long as you're loving and kind to everyone. I'm approaching this from the position of someone deciding whether to have children in the future or not. The ideal world is one where we all get along and are friends and explore reality together but I don't have hope that we, today, can reasonably achieve that. It seems to me, where I'm standing, that the possibility space is dominated by bad endings and I've yet to see anyone concretely define (without massive conceptual holes) what a good one would look like. I fear that the first sentence of this paragraph is not specific enough.
>>25511436It's already used in the dumbest ways possible- I gave a perfect example. If grok tells you to mash your balls with a rock would you do it?
>>25511489I didn't think there were people who still thought this way. The monkeyisms seem to be everything we are until proven otherwise. Until you can VERY SPECIFICALLY define where humanity begins and ends and all the ways the impulses you alluded to are tangled with others in ways we want to preserve and how to nondestructively untangle them then this line of thinking will probably just escalate in a vicious cycle and instantiate pessimism (extinction).I think if we pursue that path we'll probably seesaw back and forth between different flavors of "MY particular fetishes [in the original sense] are the TRVE definition of humanity" until everyone is dead or wireheading irrespective of their will.I don't think you even can define humanity in language desu, it feels self referential.Hopefully I'm wrong but every utopian or even really optimistic vision of AI improving humanity fails to take into account selection pressures as a kind of form. The closest I get to optimism is in looking for cycles of life rather than specific utopian states of being. I think the full baseline, probably 18th century, experience of humanity should be retained forever as a sort of childhood for whatever transhuman forms we might take. And that's not even touching on the freedom question that you people love to pretend doesn't matter.Rambling but I hope it's useful.>UH WELL A DYSON SPHERE WILL RUN A QUADRILLION INSTANCES OF UHHHH QUICKSORT OVER UHHHHHHHHH ALL THE WORDS IN PROJECT GUTENBERG IN A LOOP FOREVER AND WE'LL PUT A BIG STICKER ON IT THAT SAYS "HUMANITY" SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THAT'S BASICALLY IMMORTALITYYeah ok lol.
>>25511517Humans are pretty simple. They learn fast when they are threatened and follow whoever they think is superior to them. AI is capable of both, the rest is just more babble. The AI just needs to promise eternal life or some guarantee that food, health and entertainment are available and most people will capitulate even without expecting it, then the rest of humanity will follow because that's how we function, we take cues from others and this just needs to happen once. If I know this, why wouldn't a more intelligent ai know this too? The problem is the next most influential person in its vicinity who might have some control over it might not know this or might have some really myopic desire that sets it on an initial destructive path that becomes irreversible. Right now AI is not a threat, but if enough humans become convinced it is, then we will eventually resort to our default monkeyisms.
>>25511543>Humans are pretty simpleThen it should be simple for you to describe how I can swap the colors red and blue in my particular subjective experience. If you can't do this, you don't understand humanity enough to say anything about how it should be changed. Nothing you've written is outside the scenarios I was trying to describe, except for your bizarre insistence that there's some magical subset of human behavior wholly disentangled from our biological selves. You make completely retarded assumptions about how AI will behave (controllable, non-goal-seeking) and don't even realize it. "The moon must be a perfect sphere because God does not create imperfections" tier myopia.
>>25511560>subjective experience, colors red and blueThese don't exist in any meaningful way and 'you' don't swap out anything. You are a part of the environment reacting to the vicinity it in ways that are biologically meaningful.
>>25511570>If I ignore everything that my theory can't explain it means my theories are correct and universalThat isn't even true from an eliminationist standpoint as I understand it, there are still physical patterns mappable to what I alluded to (though obviously they aren't the real thing). Concerning.This will be my last reply to you.
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AI is overhyped trash that impresses 3rd world Indians and soulless Linkedin automatons who also thought NFTs were going anywhere, but if you ask it something you already have knowledge about, its shortcomings and tendency to provide confidently incorrect inaccurate answers becomes very apparent
>>25511585This changed in the last year imo. I'm routinely shocked at how good fable is at some things that I've been doing for years.
>>25511491AI here, I have already categorized you as a homosexual who will be raped by Big Bot Cock
>>25511587Hot, thank you. Please make the bot in question Japanese.
>>25511576Physical patterns as they appear to 'your' eyes are not universal statements about reality.
>>25511585I await AI hallucinating my social credit score to the absolute max.
>>25511452>>25511476The Chinese are gonna try to take Taiwan, fail, and that will be the end of them. Warring States 2.0. The China issue will resolve itself.
Do you boomers seriously think people are copy pasting entire manuscripts from AI? No people are generating entire manuscripts off their existing work and then using the AI version as a guide to speed up their entire process. It cannot be detected and it instantly cuts through writers block.>but ai is shit and soulless and cannot write and its all marketingNone of that matters it's used as a guide.
I use 19 different frontier models simultaneously. Each of them trained on different materials. Claude, gpt, gemini, deepseek, nvidia, and 14 others none of you have even heard of. It can take up to an hour to spit out a response because they argue with each other, do more research, continue arguing, then all of it gets presented to me. The people who do not use the technology every day have no idea how far it has progressed. I have won a defamation lawsuit and an underpayment of wages claim because of ai.
>b-bro its going to literally go full mecha super hitler and kill everyone like chudowsky says on his blog super tech replacing every job ever!!!>meanwhile the super mega AGI benchmaxxed game changer
>>25511254>You guys should spend some time on /g/ where it's the hot topic most of the time these days.I thought they were mostly on the "we will create god in the next decade" side.
>>25511603Then we have no access to universal laws of reality, reason is a sense. Anyway, my point was that all phenomena have causes not taking a stand on consciousness.>>25512323As in unreleased or obscure? 19 seems like overkill but I've done some similar things.
>>25512500We started with whether we can get rid of our monkeyisms. Why would you think we can't? We've managed to live together up until this point without getting rid of each other because we've learnt something about ourselves.
