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>>25511257
You are dick-pilled, right /lit/

>>25511263
I have read him. Ubik's good. The scene with the door was pretty funny.

I resent science fiction being lumped together with fantasy.

Don’t do this.

>>25511288
https://pastebin.com/MiMMCCN6

Fuck yev
Fuck baynefag (the OP who keeps shilling his made up banned authors list because he hates authors who aren't self published hacks)
Fuck goodreadsgroupfags
Fuck youreviewsareshitfag
Fuck antiyoureviewsareshitfag (possibly baynefag)
Fuck pagespammer
Fuck bakkerfag

Walter Moers should be mandatory reading on /sffg/.

>>25511420
>Walter Moers
Adding it to the list, thanks.

>>25511418
This faggot thinks Brandon Sanderson is a self-published author.

Fuck fuckanonsfag.

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One of my favourite tropes (is it a trope/setting?) is large doorway(s) in fantasy. Any recommendations for reads with big ol' doors?

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>>25511499

>>25511463
You think that, Baynefag.

>>25511282
I finished it last night and the scene with the door will definitely be the thing that comes to mind first when I think about this book

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>>25511499
Lotr has a pretty fancy door.

>>25511550
between this and The Argonath is probably where this love first came from.

Haven't read a page pf The Blade Itself for 2 days straight. Hopefully I read 200 chapters today to make up

>>25511546
>everyone who disagrees with me is Baynefag
xD

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All of (You). I'm sick of hearing about your personally concocted boogeyman. TAKE YOUR MEDS.

>>25511675
you're going to read right on past the novel itself or just flow state into Before They Are Hanged?

>>25511675
>chapters rather than pages yet again

>>25511675
>>25511724
Banned author

>>25511724
Its unlikely the novel will finish well enough to continue to the sequel. Kind of feels like a quirky slice of life anime right now, and you only think those are good when you're 18 and just learned that shonen can be tropey, so you convince yourself something more "grounded" and "personal" is necessarily better because you're a retarded child that has no actually framework for analysis, you just respond to your circumstances and fickle feelings.

>>25511736
I messed up. Just proof of how long its been since I've read a page of anything

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>>25511740
Rules for thee not for me

>>25511257
>A.A. Attanasio
>wrote The Last Legends of Earth
>dimensional entity from the center of the galaxy pops out into normal space
>creates a solar system populated with humans in order to lure out and genocide the zōtl
>intelligent sapient flying spiders who pith your brain, releasing chemicals that keep you in constant lucid agony and pain while they feed and control your body
The only people who would hate this are Jews.

>>25511782
I don't understand what aspect of this you think sounds appealing.

>>25511829
>I don't understand
we know

>>25511782
Spam it again, we love reading your post so much.

>>25511782
Looks interesting
>Love story
Into the TRASH it goes!

>>25511420
Literally for children, but also pretty good. Not sure if it loses something in translation, originals are in German iirc.

>>25511847
Two characters were meant to be. There are many characters and many viewpoints.

>>25512058
Don't want it.

>>25512069
Ok.

I'm going to add Bakker to banned.

>>25512130
He's already on the list, dumbass.

>>25511782
I don’t think he very reached these heights again. I recently read Centuries but it was a bit of a mess.its been a very long time since I read Radix, might dust it off…

>>25512133
I skipped right over his name just like I skip over his books, I'm afraid.

>>25511282
you mean his apartment door being a pay-door that needs change to open? That's not supposed to be funny, it's a deeper comment on capitalism.

>>25512137
Bayne...

>>25512156
The door fucking threatens to sue. Doors are funny anon, deal with it.

Which one will come out first? Winds of Winter or Doors of Stone?

About to read my first page of The Blade Itself in 2 days.

I'm 9 chapters into Fellowship, and while it really is as amazing as the reputation suggests, I really didn't like this one bit where Frodo and the fellas get captured by Barrow-wights, and they're absolutely FUCKED. But then they just sing out to Tom who magically appears and saves them.
It annoyed me because it felt like the hobbits didn't learn shit, that they just got bailed out instead of having to use their wits and actually improve and change.

>>25512271
You should screenshot that one page once you're done reading it and post it here, along with your thoughts. I expect at least 4 paragraphs. It has to be lengthier than the page itself.
Don't forget to be as pompous as you can and do NOT read more than a page or else some of your questions might be answered, which would detract from your page-review.
Thanks in advance.

>>25512282
You got BOMBADIL'D. Many such cases.

>>25512283
retard.

>>25512137
I reread Radix/In Other Worlds/LLoE last year, would recommend. Radix is a great self-discovery journey.

Look guys. I'm so close to tired of the fantasy I'm reading that I've almost been contemplating A Song of Ice and Fire despite it not being finished. At this point, if a single book could even convince me to read more than 2 books, I'd prefer that, than having to look for the next book as my faith in this genre only dwindles. I don't want to read stuff like Dune, PKD, and Book of the New Sun yet, because they have such grand reputations that it leaves you thinking "If I finish the best, whats left?" I'm not ready for the Gravity Rainbows and Infinite Jests and the meanderings I can predict in those, if I can barely stand to read Glokta torturing some retard with zero personality for the 3rd time as he comments "Ah hes realized the predicament hes found himself in" and gives him the exact answer he wants. Whats interesting about that? Its not even a commentary on the retardedness of torture which is academically substantiated by virtually every piece of evidence. Theres no crisis that we as a reader have any reason to personally be invested in that could even make the stupid prospect of torture as a means to an end interesting, were following a character who just follows orders and wallows in their misery every page before they torture, and then theres Logen. Don't get me wrong, I like Logen, but how much can "I dont like to kill...I dont like all this war...but I have to do it anyway to survive" be repeated every chapter before I'm supposed to pretend that the character is interesting just because its subverting the expectations of a barbarian warrior who kills and is proud of his tribe or whatever (Already experienced this with Cnauir anyway and he was far more interesting even though he was equally repetitive) as Logen fucks around LITERALLY ADMITTING TO HIMSELF THAT HES JUST FOLLOWING BAYAZ FOR NO APPARENT REASON THAT HE KNOWS OF. So Im following a repetitive surface level character whos feelings were touched upon like 5 chapters ago (his own chapters, not even counting the others) and I dont even know where hes headed, thematically, or narratively. And everytime his chapter ends, I have to expect another chapter of Jezal going "damn this training sucks, but I gotta do it. But actually I dont want to do it even though i gotta do it, but actually I have to do it now since I was made fun of by a girl I like for wanting to quit". What the fuck? who cares? I dont care. Why does this book treat characters like im supposed to fucking care about them when I have zero reason to.

>>25512435
Bakkerfag...

>>25511288
my local library had sanderson's mistborn series cataloged as sci fi

Admittedly Im only 200 pages in so Im just ranting and it could suddenly get better and more interesting and the characters could think some thoughts other than the ones established 150 pages ago. But its just annoying because now im watching asoiaf youtube theory videos because im bored and dont want to read a book.
>>25512438
retard, I explicitly use Cnauir just to point out that I have seen the barbarian subversion before, to point out a similarity. I demolished the incoherence and repetition of cnauir already long ago.

>>25512290
Tom Bombadil's song is my favorite in the whole book. Listened to this like 3 times after finishing return of the king
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRVIVJjuaHE

>>25512282
it's book 1 out of 6 anon

>>25512435
>>25512445
I can't wait for you to hate everything you've mentioned. Then you'll leave forever.

>>25512435
>why is all the scifi and fantasy I read bad?
>btw I haven't read any of the scifi and fantasy books people consider good/classics because I'm scared I'll enjoy them or somethin heehee

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wtf is blud yapping about

>>25512435
Saving is good to a point, but just read the good stuff while you can. If they turn out to be as good as you heard, see what influenced them because you can always go deeper. With PKD and Wolfe, they have so many books that it will take you a long time to get through all you want to read anyway. And you'll likely enjoy them more if you space them out.

>>25512464 (me)
I do get it though, I've had a nice old copy of ulysses on my shelf for 7 years now, and I only this year decided to read dubliners and work through Joyce's publication order

>>25512435
>>25512464
The biggest issue I see with this approach is that you will absorb many elements of the classic works through the lesser, often derivative works; reinterpretations, satire, tropes, archetypes, reused concepts, narrative/character arcs, etc. Some of this you have undoubtedly absorbed through other mediums, but some I'm certain you have not. Starting by reading a pile of derivative slop is not just postponing the classics (to the point that you seem near to giving up the genre without having read them?), it's coming at the expense of your enjoyment of the classics when you do finally read them. Is it really worth "saving" a 10/10 book, so that when you finally do read it, through jaded eyes that have seen it all before, it's now only a 8/10?

>>25512461
Have you read much Egan? That may be his most difficult books. His books in recent years have really gone for the idea over everything else.

>>25512477
Well when it comes to Dune, I'm saving it for before the movie comes out because Its been a long time since I've been able to experience a book and contrast it with its adaptations fresh in memory.
As for PKD, Its really just because I'm putting off short books till I experience a series worth reading. I forgot the reason I decided on this so I can't explain that right now. Its probably againg just wanting to save the better books for another time.
As for Book of the New Sun? Its a combination of intimidation, wanting to save better books, and also the fact that after Dune, I won't have many options for series' I can trust somewhat to be good.

Would you consider ASOIAF a classic the way its talked about? I'm not asking for literary fiction or whatever gimmick term is used. Just decently well written stuff that doesn't waste your time pretending you should care about characters and themes it hasnt done the work to build up a foundation for.

>>25511257
Can anyone recommend a sf or f novel with an indifferent and unscrupulous protagonist like that of Kelhus of The Second Apocalypse? I'm tired of the usual dumb, gullible and righteous hero types.

>>25512510
Priest of Bones

>>25512492
>First sentence, care about this character
>WHY SHOULD I CARE!?

>>25512513
Will check out, the synopsis seems interesting. Thanks for the rapid response.

>>25512519
I don't know what you're on about but I agree that I dont like "care about" language because it could just mean you have an arbitrary preference. I just use it as a short hand for what I actually elaborated on about Glokta and Logen

>>25512521
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=37884491

>>25512547
Lot of red flags here.

>>25512549
There always are.

>>25512510
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=50336223

>>25512510
There are a lot of amoral protagonists who go around slaughtering and bring evil in web novels.

>>25512549
>Yev suggests a book
>It's full of red flags
What did you expect? >>25512549
>>25512549

>>25512547
>Published: 2018
>>25512557
>Published: 2020

>>25512576
>HE HATES SELF-PUBLISHED BOOKS

>>25512282
Bombadil is cool because he's a total rebuke to the D&D-influenced autism that is ruining fantasy. He adds a kind of realism because he doesn't fit into any kind of category or even have much of a purpose in the story. He just does his own thing, this kind of force of nature or folk tale come to life who is stronger than evil but also just wants to chill in the forest. That's what I like about Tolkien is that he doesn't explain every single aspect of his world in Lord of the Rings or Beorn. There are random bits of history and folklore that just get mentioned or characters like Bombadil or Beorn who don't fit into any kind of specific slot. It makes the world feel bigger and more real when there's some mystery to it.

>>25512614
I read one critique of the Simarillion is that it diminishes a lot of that mystery is a draw of Tolkien's Middle-Earth. I haven't read anything other than the Hobbit and LotR yet and I'm no lore-fiend like some people are, so I'm not sure if I should read it or not.

>>25512510
Cadwal Chronicles.

>>25512435
Filtered by First Law kino dumbass

>>25512718
>Filtered
>dumbass
That's our pagebitch!

>>25512743
you can't seriously be agreeing with a first law dickrider

>>25512749
Yes

>>25512557
How accurate is Yev's description of the protag, is he a passive whinner?

>>25512564
I've read some Chinese ones, haven't read any English web novels on the usual sites due to authors often abandoning the novel. Any good English ones?

>>25512703
Will check out after the Priest series, thanks, Anon.

Just finished Asimov's Foundation trilogy, I started reading it against the recommendations of some people here in the general.
I have a question, because I've seen a lot of people crapping on Foundation; Why do people usually not like it? I've had a blast with it, read the whole thing in less than two weeks

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Iz dis bewk really güd?

>>25512858
It's fine. I'm sure the majority of the hate is coming from people whose first experience with it is the shitty Apple TV adaptation with forced diversity.

> delicate and porcelain pale
> She was beautiful, heartbreakingly vulnerable
> pale perfect breasts
> she was gorgeous

> flushed warm pink when she orgasmed

> Keep doing that thing with your tongue and we'll be fine
> I did that thing with my tongue

> I'd been behind her, but staring at her ass
> She was small and cute
> sexy as hell
> should I allow myself to get a just a little wet

> She'd make the perfect partner
> Gorgeous
> Never ageing
> Powerful
> enslaved

> gripped the cheeks of her ass
> she moved, rhythmic, hot and wet
> Forever only me.
> Her orgasm locking her body rigid

>>25512870
I'm pretty sure people were complaining about the books, not the tv show

>>25512614
Bombadil would have been more acceptable if he didn't immediately take a giant steamy dump on one of the primary conflicts of the entire trilogy before the plot even truly started yet.
>The One Ring corrupts people? Ah man, not me, I'm Tom Bombadil you see. Skibble-dee-dee scooble-wee-wee, I'm off to drink my fae wife's pee!
And then people spent 70 years coming up with headcanon to explain why he could resist the ring instead of admitting the whole episode was stupid and had no place in the novel.

>>25512901
Weirdest thing ever is people pretending Tolkien wrote some shit that transcended genre fiction just because he wrote all the tropes first (mostly taken from past tropes anyway) in magical middle european setting and wrote some languages behind the scenes that you see a couple times so few that you honestly forget it by the time your done. Dude is blatantly ass at writing otherwise

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>>25511263
You know I got that mf thang on me

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>>25511526
Listen here you little shit.

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I used to get told I read big boy books because I bought colour of magic, light fantastic, and other Pratchett books
I was 12, I think

>>25512858
For me it was the protags. They were all very similar and one-dimensional.

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Is mankind responsible for destroying the planet? Should he be banished to an animal-like purgatory and let the other animals take over the earth?

>>25512883
>>25512557

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PKD’s stories all seem to be written by a budding schizophrenic

Why are some writers who wrote pulp sci fi in the 40s and 50s still considered New Wave?

FUCK it is good
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9297

>>25511263
>Bestselling author of Blade Runner
He didn’t write Blade Runner

>>25512866
No. I dropped it. Had low expectations, but it was worse than I was prepared for.

>>25513067
>PKD's stories all seem to be written by PKD
I would hope so.

>>25513081
Over the years several markets have renamed DADOES to "Blader Runner," aktualyfag.

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Fiction peaked here

>>25512510
Literally Book of the New Sun...

>>25513006
Rincewind novels don't get good until Sourcery and remain one of the weaker plot lines in Discworld. They're probably good for a 12 y/o tho.

My dad finally let me read Thomas Covenant at 12 - he figured the rape scene was a little much before then.

Balding nu males can’t handle Bakkerchad
https://youtu.be/48De_sAOE-c?si=oHt6Uhnbnhl2BVLS

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Fellas, don't you hate it when you kidnap a woman and she isn't grateful after you let her go even though you decided not to rape her?

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Thread #2 in which I am requesting weird fantasy stories.

>>25513231
Have you read Legend and its sequels, by David Gemmell? They get pretty strange.

Are there any universities that study science fiction as a unit? Or do I have to go into pop culture “studies”?

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Sup guys. I'm looking for a sci-fi novel. It had war between Earth empire and some alien lizards that had a little more advanced tech, but not too much. Like lizard ships could accelerate at 8g when human ships only did 5g and could shoot a bit further. Or lizard fighters fighting equally well in planet air and empty space unlike human crafts. It made humans, after losing all initial skirmishes, plan every battle in a way that advantage would disappear, lure aliens in closer combat. Hiding superfast small ships behind the moon and sending them on suicide attacks with no return plans or putting cruisers on radioactive asteroids where crew slowly died waiting to ambush passing alien carrier. But each trick only worked once because aliens were not retarded.
Anybody knows what the title is?

>>25513377
This sword looks like shit.

any 1980s fantasy series you recommend?

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>>25512883
I like it

>>25513418
the black company

>>25513243
Baynefag doesn't read

>>25513419
I really don't understand the gays.

>>25512866
>>25513082
Zelazny, Jose Farmer, and Robert Bloch among others seem to have a penchant for cribbing classic and more successful authors and passing it off as pastiche

>>25513082
same, might be among the worst ive entered

Richard Swan's The Great Silence

>>25513243
>11 books
I was going to add at least the first to my backlog but that is quite much. Are they all mostly on the shorter side? That's a big commitment.

>look up Legend on goodreads to check out the blurb
>not in the first five results
>result #3 is that garbage by that pissant Baldree
Yuck!

>>25511257
>Joe Abercrombie
>A.A. Attanasio
>R. Scott Bakker
>C.J. Cherryh
>Glen Cook
>Steven Erikson
>R.A. Lafferty
>Mark Lawrence
>George R.R. Martin
>Patrick Rothfuss
>Gene Wolfe

let me guess, Abercrombie is not ok but Brando Sando is

jesus

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this is fucking magnificent

how come this is not recognized as deserved?

>>25513144
>no Asimov
into the trash that list goes

>>25513533
>Zelazny
Roasted...hes really living off Lord of Light

>>25513533
Farmer could have been Vonnegut tier but...

>>25513144
What incel wrote that list?

>>25513768
I'm pretty sure it's Appendix N from the original D&D rules

>>25513766
Farmer was a massive pseud who never wrote anything worth reading. Don't know what anybody sees in him.

>>25513078
Mah nigga. It was my first Ballard and still the one I love best.

>>25513776
Stop speaking like a street negro.

>>25513044
LA Planete DES fhebfjfh PAR fhenncir

>>25513778
Yo' momma sucks mah BBC, honky.

>>25513780
Planet of the Apes

>>25513774
"Brass and Gold" was the only time he took writing seriously.

>>25513418
The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay
Mythago Wood by Robert Holdstock
Discworld by Practchett
Daughter of the Empire by Feist & Wurts
Vlad Taltos by Steven Brust
Riftwar Saga by Raymond E. Feist

>>25513044
No, the rich just want you to think that so they can kill you and take your shit. It's not complicated.

>>25513689
it's not real retard

>>25513044
>destroying the planet
Anon, the planet can survive us. Look at Chernobyl, full of fauna and flora that evolved to survive in a radioactive zone.

>>25513795
>Daughter of the Empire by Feist & Wurts
Please tell me this shit isnt as cringe as Wolfblade. Might never give political fantasy another chance

>>25513821
Plants and animals did not somehow become acclimated to dangerous levels of radiation, the radiation levels in most of Chernobyl fell to safe levels many years ago. There's actually only two very specific locations in the town that are still dangerous, and they're small enough to be easily avoided if you wanted to tour the place. It's the fear of radiation that keeps Chernobyl abandoned to this day.

>>25513860
The main character is a woman, if that's what you wanted to know.

>>25513860
nta
You don't need to give anything else a chance. Begone!

>>25513818
That sentiment comes from the poor way more than the rich, tbqh.

Let’s discuss the ending to R Scott Ballers epic fantasy series, “The Second Apocalypse”
Why is the Scylvendi so gay?
Why did Kellhus fail?
Why was there so much gay sex?
Do Kellhus fail because of too much gay sex?

>>25513694
Honestly the premise is just a bit too silly for me to take seriously.

>>25512866
It's okay. The premise is better than the actual book. I liked the scene where everyone is graverobbing together.

>>25512866
A variety of reviews
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=62005

>>25513936
>Second review in
>Yev
HMMMMMMMM.....

>>25513965
There's nothing to wonder about. Only Yev links the group reviews.

My belly is full of Yoo-Hoo and I am going to read Death Gate #7 while laying in bed. ANSWERS are bound to head in my direction shortly.

>>25513231
The Buried Giant. Pseudo-arthurian fantasy told in a somewhat obscured manner by a Nobel laureate. It's very good, not too dense, leans towards high lit.

Though what do you mean by "weird"?

So let me get this straight... the wacko faggot names you idiots keep spamming are... from a goodreads group? INCREDIBLY FUCKING GRIM.

>>25513243
What do you mean by strange? Both Legend & The King Beyond The Gate are top tier fantasy in my books.

>>25513972
yeah
baynefag and yev try to control this general. they are also both schizos who think bakkerfag and pagespammer are the same person

>SF Masterworks
Do they deliberately make all of their cover designs look shit? It cannot be accidental.

>>25513978
>they are also both schizos who think bakkerfag and pagespammer are the same person
I'm the only person who has ever said that they're the same person (because they are) and I've never been in or used your faggy little group ever. Keep coping bitch, bakkerfag IS pagespammer. Everyone with half a fucking brain and the ability to recognize patterns knows that they're the same idiot.

>>25513972
It has almost a 1,000 members. That's a lot of the anons who have come here.

>>25513689
Neither of them are ok.

Just finished reading Snow Crash. Why does it end like hitting a brick wall

About to read a page of The Blade Itself. Hoping I make it farther than 35 pages today and some depth is introduced by the 2nd chapter I get to. Otherwise I'm worried. I don't know if my heart has another "relative acclaimed (by reddit and good reads)" book I have to force myself to finish.

Just finished the first three Foundation books, I'm waiting for my e-reader to arrive to read the other two
What are some short stories, or quick books I could read in the meanwhile?
I was thinking of reading The Last Question, or perhaps the Wendigo
Any recs?

>>25513979
That's what happens when you employ an entire office of professional cover artists.

>>25514238
>I have to force myself to finish.
Shouldn't ever be the case.

>>25514241
It's a short story. Just read it if you're thinking about it. It's 10 minutes of your time.

>>25514218
That's just something Stephenson does in many of his books. Whether that's a stylistic choice or he's just shit at writing endings no one knows, but you're not first person to dislike it.

>>25514241
Learning to Be Me, Egan
Pump Six, Bacigalupi
The Man Who Lost the Sea, Sturgeon
Ticket to Tranai, Sheckley
The Dowager of Bees, Mieville

I am on chapter 7 of Death Gate #7 ^.^

>>25514259
This seems like it could've been posted by Yev. Do not trust it!

>>25514255
You're quite right, I was expecting something around 80~150 pages, not less than 30
>>25514259
I'll take a look, what are the overall themes of those?

>>25514241
https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/travellers-rest/

castle of endless woe is ~64 pages but it has no upload on anna's

>>25514270
nta
>around 80~150 pages
That's more like a novella.

If I wasn't reading right now I'd look up.some of the ~1950s novellas I've read and like that were serialized in magazines.

>>25512492
Most of the main movies made from PKD stories make them seem better than they are. Total Recall and Minority Report are cool, but the original stories aren't that great compared to his other works. I haven't read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep yet. I'm not saying they're not good, but he wrote so many and the less popular ones, especially the non movie/tv ones are more interesting in my opinion.

>>25514279
nta
There's a lot more than that that's been adapted.

managed 51 pages, something almost seems like its happening, but the first ferro chapter ive encountered doesnt bode well for my faith in this being well written, aswell as the embellishments of how a medieval society functions.

>>25514270
>What are overall themes of those?
Just a handful of short stories off the top of my head I remember particularly enjoying. Hard to go into something like theme without giving a lot away. Learning to be Me is hard scifi. Pump Six, Ticket to Tranai are more satirical soft scifi. The Man Who Lost the Sea is straightforward soft scifi. Dowager of Bees is fantasy/weird fiction.

>>25514283
I know, but most people only know the most popular ones. The short stories and novellas are cool, but his lesser known or not adapted works are better. I've read all the main ones, except DADOES. I was just saying that i think people hear about the most known ones and their movie adaptations and get discouraged thinking all those stories are legendary status.

>>25512866
It's aggressively mid. I've dropped Amber, read Lonesome October, Jack of Shadows, and Lord of Light. Lord of Light is the only one I can seriously recommend.

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>>25514291
I liked this one.

>>25514241
The Skull by PKD is another good one.

Making History by KJ Parker is good too but entirely different vibe.

>>25514309
Yev hands typed this post. Beware!

Quit bringing up your gay little club of faggots in the general.

Alright, just read 6 pages of The Blade Itself after taking an hour break and...I am this close to reading ASOIAF for the first time. Every time I read a page, I think about how much better this could be done, if just the littlest extra attention was paid to the dynamics of war, social structures and characters having reasons for doing stuff (the simple way to put it because the complicated way is too long to list out and I dont have a shorthand word for what I mean other than "substance" or "weight")

The problem here, is that I'm like 90% sure that ASOIAF is actually about as bad, based on what I know of what it gets wrong about medieval society. The only question left for ASOIAF is whether its characters meet the standard im looking for.

All of this are plans for after the Engineer Trilogy of course.

>>25514375
>what it gets wrong about medieval society.
It can't get it wrong if it isn't trying to be true. It can only be different from how it went on Earth. There's no essential progression of events and societal structures. Fantasy worlds are not Earth. It's a ridiculous comparison.

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I'm going to go into the deep end. Sci-fi erotica has to be good.

>>25514374
Alas, the enmity of the disaffected misanthrope.

>>25514392
>has to be good.
Be sure to follow-up on this thought.

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First possible red flag to note if I ignore Ferro. This one is more explicit. Its actually a fairly bad, uninformed cliche to think that Barbarians wouldn't understand or be surprised by civilization. In actual history the nomads, mongol, turk, gaul types usually had civilization akin delicacies, and in the case of the xiongu. They frequently raided ancient china, and so to get them to stop without risking war, china would trade with them and offer stuff like silks and other civilized luxuries, not to mention that they would also sometimes marry with Han Chinese, and historically nearly ever single nomad tribe outside china would eventually find some way to assimilate into china, obviously not the entire nomadic society, but it happened enough that no nomad should be unfamilar with civilization. As for the western nomads, im less familar, but I also know that they would do trade and stuff with the roman empire and such. Usually the distinction of "barbarian" vs "citizen" was a relative one, they werent so disconnected from the idea of civilization, they just lived differently, and had different religions (sometimes theyd even share the same ones as the civilized).

The reason this matters, is that whenever you flatten the complexity of real life, thats a red flag, of how much you understand about human kind historically to depict them, but also how much youre willing to engage in even fabricated complexities, if your foundational understanding isnt complex.

Granted. This is one character with this perspective and doesn't speak for all barbarians in the story, it could be possible that he is just uniquely insulated from this stuff. Its just something to keep in mind.

Its stuff like this too that makes me skeptical of ASOIAF because Im aware that the Dothraki are a notoriously similarly innacurate depiction of steppe/nomadic/mongollike societies.

>>25514389
>It's a ridiculous comparison.
You're just retarded and thats okay. You will never have the capacity to be aware of your retardation. Don't speak to me anymore.

>>25513795
thanks bro, though ive read three of those, i might try fionavar or shannara like another guy rec'd

>>25514409
When are you ever going to stop doing this? Don't you ever get bored of your own bullshit? You're really going to do this dumb, gay shit for the rest of your natural life, huh?

God, I wish you would fuck off.

I will say though, now that all the major POVs are in the same place. I'm a bit intrigued for what purpose. Maybe it will get better.

>>25514411
Fantasy is not reality.

>>25514421
This is what Yevism has brought upon us.

>>25511263
This is one of the worst scifi novels I ever read. It's like three unfinished short stories mashed together. People who glaze PKD are tasteless.

>>25514482
>It's like three unfinished short stories mashed together
Fix-ups were much more common back then for a lot of reasons.

>>25513974
I mean it in a good way, but they have some unusual elements like the random underground facility with electricity that the protagonists go to in one book.

After Death Gate Cycle, I may reread the Shannara book where Walker Boh fights the Four Horsemen, then reread the Voyage of the Jerle Shannara trilogy. Or perhaps reread Everworld.

>>25514241
Novellas
Dawn of Flame by Stanley G. Weinbaum (1936)
Final Weapon by Everett B. Cole (1955)
Mercenary by Mack Reynolds (1962)
A Slave is a Slave by H. Beam Piper (1962)
Code Three by Rick Raphael (1963)

>>25514647
Novelettes
Unthinkable by Rog Phillips (1949)
A Matter of Importance by Murray Leinster (1959)
A Spaceship Named McGuire by Randall Garrett (1961)
The Stars, My Brothers by Edmond Hamilton (1962)
And Devious The Line of Duty by Tom Godwin (1962)

>>25514640
Man I haven't read any Terry Brooks in like 30 years. He used to be so huge. Does any of his stuff hold up or is it all roboschlock? I recall kid me being disgusted how many of his endings were like "..., then he used the macguffin, and all the bad things were undone."

>>25514647
>>25514656
These posts bear Yev's stain.

It's not him Yev only reads selfpub/booktok slop retard

>>25514279
Electric Sheep is great but people expecting Blade Runner will be disappointed. Might as well be a different franchise

>>25514256
I've read lots of books before where the page count is too short for all the plot threads to come together organically, but never one that looks like it's missing a chapter or two. Cyberpunk stories all look a bit quaint today, because the authors couldn't even imagine a future where the corpos can't even allow DIY culture to exist for fear of losing profits, yet here we are in reality

>>25514964
>Cyberpunk stories all look a bit quaint today, because the authors couldn't even imagine a future where the corpos can't even allow DIY culture to exist for fear of losing profits, yet here we are in reality
Cyberpunk is told from the stories of the DIY rebels against the corpos, not a permitted DIY culture. Case is a career criminal who killed for cash. Everyone in Neuromancer is a criminal as a matter of fact. The "DIY culture" exists amongst the hackers and criminals today; you're just not part of the scene, senpai

>>25513694
I remember bouncing off the second book just a couple of chapters after Hari was arrested and most likely about to be dumped into Overworld, broken body and all.

>>25514421
He has nothing else

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>read this "new sun" thing
>big deep heavy misery world with self-centered characters who make bad decisions and a constant undercurrent of questioning whether any of it is ever worth it
>sudden ridiculously long comic relief chapter where protagonist is super marioing his way around outside a spaceship and bonks his head on a mast and floats off into space on a trans-time voyage across universal big bang boundaries

Antiwar SF like Slaughterhouse 5?

>>25513044
Destroying the planet according to whomst's criteria?
>Should
By whomsts or what authority shall such a Should be enforced?

>>25514972
Yes, and? There's still a lot of silly shit like Kouriers being a subculture who give a shit about each other instead of Doordash drivers who fight tooth and nail in order not to starve. Or the corpos just ignoring a bunch of cunts stealing electricity and building robots in Mona Lisa Overdrive

it's so crazy to me how GOOD a huge amount of 40s-50s-60s pulp science fiction is, and how the campy cover art always makes it just look like goofy spacemen in buttpants with rayguns surrounded by gorn captains, and that's the only part that made it into the televization of sci fi. Star Trek really kinda sucks, man.

>>25514998
Feels bad man

>>25514996
https://youtu.be/DwORzQxAXmU?si=txxbNBNp6kgZt6Yw
We didn’t start the flame war, human. Apekind must never kill apekind.

>>25514671
I haven't read any since my early 20s at the most recent. I liked his Genesis of Shannara series that provided an origination story and tied his The Word and the Void(?) series together, what with Shannara being post-apocalyptic nuked Earth(/North America).
I only remember concepts, no details at this point. I did enjoy how each new series would take place a short time (within a generation or a few hundred years) later and progress the world a bit.
>look up the final book
>ends with some "magic may no longer be needed because science is on the rise!" schlock
That sounds super gay and lame lol

>>25514991
Joe Haldeman's The Forever War
Harry Harrison's Bill the Galactic Hero

>>25514998
>goofy spacemen in buttpants with rayguns surrounded by gorn captains
But anon, pulp always was about that and nothing else.

>>25515072
It isn't. That's the whole point. That's the fake image mids have of it, from not having read it and only going off secondary information.

>>25514389
>(You)ing the moron
You've only got yourself to blame.

>>25514783
Willful ignorance becomes you.

>>25514421
Stop engaging and he'll eventually get bored.

>>25514783
Yev doesn't read much selfpub, unless it's explicitly recommended to him by someone.

>>25515088
nta
Indeed, there was far more than pulp published at the time.

>>25515088
>pulp is ACKSHUALLY very intellechul

>>25514990
>big deep heavy misery world
I don't think the world is that dark. It only seems that way because Sev is an executioner, then a fugitive, then a soldier.

>>25511434
You’re welcome, man. It’s nothing like I’ve ever read. I recommend starting with Captain Bluebear and then going from there. There’s a huge tone shift from Bluebear to the rest of the books but it’s very good.

>>25512054
Mmm that’s debatable. The first book of the Zamonia series is a bit more kid-friendly, albeit a bit “dense” in terms of some concepts (although as a kid you might just look at the surface level and not think too deeply on the details). However, Rumo is pretty violent and dark (dismemberment, cannibalism, torture and drinking are pretty common occurrences), as well as City of Dreaming Books. At the very least it’s YA but definitely not like the typical slop.

>>25515202
I'll admit I only read bluebear, which felt like an entire series of children's books (though very good, elevated ones, like a German Tiffany Aching Discworld series). I came away feeling like half the jokes were lost in translation, but I can't prove it.

I'll give the next a try at some point.

>>25514990
Same but with Long Sun

>>25515126
>Yev doesn't read much selfpub, unless it's explicitly recommended to him by someone.
I looked over what I've read. It's more accurate to say that I don't finish much selfpub, let alone webfiction (except as light novels). I've looked at a lot though, especially when I was doing /wng/ for some months. I've also tried looking at the SPFBO and SPSFC books a good bit. There was also the time I went through the selfpub charts in the mega and had fun posting about that. Aside from that, there's a lot that I've looked at that I haven't ever mentioned. However, it's also true that I don't read them much, especially by how it's usually understood here.

As for explicit recommendations that I've read, there only seems to be a single one, which started as webfiction. That was because of a competition though. The rest are either group reads, impersonal suggestions, author requests, or those that I chose myself.

I've turned down multiple author requests, though the only one not related to here was a random guy on Goodreads messaging as many as he could. There was also once some random person on Goodreads asked me to read their work-in-progress explicitly Sanderson derived short fiction. I didn't. All the author requests I didn't turn down went badly for all involved.

On a different note, I've only requested a singlpe self-published book on NetGalley. I won't do that again. Almost everything else has been from a major publisher.

Where do you guys go to find selfpub novels?
In general, but also specially more trad plots and white male authors

>>25515307
So they're incel shit.

>>25514241
Ted Chiang
Michael Swanwick
Literally anything edited by Gardner Dozois

>>25514218
>>25514256
Stephenson has never had an editor and he's an autistic asshole

>>25515318
YWNBAW

>>25515307
Amazon and RoyalRoad.

>>25515333
YWNHAW

>>25515307
Self-pub authors posting to their own websites is not as common these days, and only if they're already established. Now you'll find them on Royal Road, Ao3, Scribble Hub, Kindle Unlimited.

>>25515318
Why are you calling him a gigachad?

>>25515338
These are the only two that matter outside fanfic communities.

>>25515307
What do you think about about the Baen? You don't seem to be asking for self-published work so much as stuff that caters towards you. There are a few other publishers that may interest you.

>>25515307
>In general, but also specially more trad plots and white male authors
You may think you want this, but you don't. It's just another strain of woke. Guys who start worrying about this can never write for shit.

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A great cover for a great book

>>25515368
Furry shit.

>>25515368
You're too influenced by Yev.

>>25515371
The fuzzy doesn't get fucked

>>25515398
Tell me. Do you see this Yev in the thread right now?

>>25515307
Amazon or goodreads or explicitly asking the AI. Grok before they shut off access to their decent model is where I found the best, I would explicitly ask for male authors, no gay shit, no racial themes, and less than 500 goodreads reviews, give it some specific stuff I liked (or my whole library csv), and I'd get some actual good results.

>>25515399
It's called media literacy, sweatie

>>25511257
Analog is a great magazine

>>25515399
not all furry media is about fucking

>>25515295
Bakkerfag only said that to get a reaction out of you. He will accuse you again in the next thread.

>>25515333
>>25515339
YEEHAW

>>25515478
Yev must be accused every thread.

>>25515451
Is, or was?

>>25515406
Why, yes!

>>25515478
YEEHAW
Yapping Egotistical English-Only Halfwit American Wastebin

>>25515525
When did you stop taking your meds?

>>25515539
Fool. We are ALL Yev. You just don't know it yet.

>>25515363
I know what you mean, but at the same time I'm tired of all the black trans female MCs or the random "I'm actually a trans ally" lines or ranting about far-right colonials etc apropos of nothing

>>25515445
Damn I thought all the AIs were pozzed

>>25515356
I've read a lot of Baen stuff, but I was looking for selfpubs

>>25515534
>ugh I'm new and fun is never allowed because the internet is super srs bsns
>so serious I have to reply twice as usual
Your mother should have suffocated you with a pillow, Bakkerfag.

>>25515545
>I thought all the AIs were pozzed
Grok used to be a good, no-nonsense, mainstream model, but like anon said, free users can only access its shitty free-tier now.
Still, you can run local uncensored/heretic models that won't shut down when you call them niggers.

>>25515552
>The true meaning of freedom of speech is in expressing hatred.

does a cyberpunk story should always start with a 'after ww3' events?

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>>25515566
There. I know you're starving.

>>25515568
>does...should
What? No, they don't and they shouldn't. Why would you think they did or should?

>>25515568
Nah, it's just convention since so many of them were written during WW3 scares

>>25514375
>I am this close to reading ASOIAF
You should. It's a good series and I doubt you'll have as many complaints as you have in the past. I know you'll have a problem with Cersei and Robb later down the road, but keep in mind that Cersei is an overconfident idiot (it's noted and handled by others) and Robb is a young lad. No more spoilers than that.

Thoughts on Lin Carter?

>>25514375
>>25515675
>>>/lit/grrm

>>25515675
ASOIAF start after Engineer Trilogy it is then. I'll finally start it, no point caring that the series isnt finished at this point when I have literally never finished a series before because none have been compelling or good enough to be worth finishing.

>dragonshifter book
>'oh cool'
>first person POV
>'never mind'
I'll never get into romantasy

>>25515751
>too dumb for romantasy

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>>25515751
idk could be fun

>>25515329
Snow Crash is the only one I've read so far
It was halfway fun but also spergy and cringe at parts

>>25515681
He was unable to write anything but pulp, but man did he reintroduce classics of fantasy to the public in the 1970s.

>>25515790
'classical cyberpunk' is mid to cringe. Just watch Bladerunner and enjoy the games. There's no deep substance in the genre.

>>25515801
>There's no deep substance in the genre
He said while living a cyberpunk dystopia.

>>25515810
Contemporary life really isn't.

>>25515801
The Sprawl isn't really all that cringe, a product of its time maybe

>>25515916
That's what the kids call mid.

What are we drinking tonight?

>>25516095
Malort

>>25516095
Ketchup. Straight from the bottle. Chug it! GLUG GLUG GLUG

Any short story compilations that aren't black mirror zoomer dogshit?

>>25516097
Are you a Bob & Tom fan by chance?

>>25515244
You should. Rumo was one of the the most enjoyable books I read that year.

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Finished "Raven's Mark" trilogy, was a good read, though some of the dialogues, especially in second book, were way too stretched, which temporarily ruined the established pacing and tone of the scene.

>>25516140
In a Glass Darkly

>>25515751
Why do you dismiss first person out of the gate? Is it just bad stereotypes associated with 1st person POVs and YA?

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Okay, how the FUCK did anons manage to have a day-by-day group read of this? Each chapter is like, three pages long and thus far there's nothing to latch onto that's even worthy of discussion. I assume the dog narrator is SUPPOSED to sound like a simplistic retard because he's a dog but this book reads like it was written by a five year old.

"Last and greatest" huh? Wonder who thought that up. Granted, I'm only three chapters in, but still..

>>25515751
>Another zoomer female that can't into certain POVs
We're doomed as a species.

>>25516095
Nothing, I was an alcoholic and am now sober. Kinda sucks but I read a lot more now and absorb more.

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The last science fiction novel I read was back in early May and it was I Am Legend. I've read nothing but history stuff since then. It's BEYOND over, I guess this is goodbye, /sffg/...

I have the epilogue left in Death Gate #7 and then I will have completed the Death Gate Cycle.

>>25516140
Based on your attitude you're determined to dislike everything modern. Why not read those from many decades ago?

>>25516198
Congrats on being able to free yourself.

>>25516198
I Am Legend is post-apocalyptic horror, not science fiction.

>>25516158
This cover is very female-coded.

>>25516261
Dumbass

>>25516261
Like anon said.
>>25516198
>I Am Legend
The ending was great, wasn't it?

>>25516268
uh oh frogposter melty!