I’m relatively new to writing and need help with getting started. I mainly just want to start with short stories but never got far with drafts of novels. I always abandon them around 30k word mark. I do have five accepted short stories but it’s not enough for a book. But I want to be a real writer and get a novel/collection out into the world. If you write, which magazines or publishers do you submit to? I have yet to ever hear back from an agent and only get accepted by small magazines.
>>25517374>five accepted short stories but it’s not enough for a bookNigger/my guy/حبيبي/दोस्त, you don't even know English.Anyways, is your problem relating to the craft of fiction, or the craft of novel writing? Those are two different things.I would say besides reading, what works for me is 1) working in stages, 2) thinking in scenes instead of chapters, and thinking about which scenes you need and which you don't, 3) planning the story the bare minimum needed 4) divide up my work into speed draft, diagnose problems, and then address problems biggest to smallest. No polishing chapter 1.If I were to start a novel, I would do this.1. Write out the big, one-two sentence summary of the novel (e.g. "OP was a middling short story writer, who spends his free time on /v/. But when he gets fired for trying to seduce Gary at work, he makes a vow to become a published novelist by the end of the year or finally kill himself.") You want to identify what the main character at his core is, what he wants, and what happens if he doesn't. You shouldn't get into the HOW: the HOW comes later. This is just a bouncing off point.2. Estimate the amount of acts/movements/whatever you call it in your novel. Say the traditional three or four: Act I, Act IIa, Act IIb, and Act III. Come up with what happens in them, like>Act I: Anon admires Gary because he's a published writer in the NY times, but Gary founds OP's work barely English. Anon keeps escalating a friendship between them, until it accumulates into a confession of love: Gary shuts him up, saying he'll never even BE a writer.>Act IIa: Anon vows to write the novel, or else he'll kill himself by the end of the year. At first, he's clumsy, hates his work, and can't seem to get it. He decides to use Claude to write out the novel for him, accelerating his process>Act IIb: His free trial has run out, and he has no more money to use on Claude. He tries to continue it, but realizes he doesn't even know what his manuscript is. Now halfway through the year, he realizes he has to either start the novel again, or try to continue on what Claude did. He scraped his whole novel, and decides to rewrite it for real>Act III: OP just can't seem to get past the blank screen, and he has one month left. He doesn't want to fail himself again, so he just writes whatever is there, even if the words are bad. He manages to make it to the end of the year with a book, but it's a shit book. He starts again, except his accumulated experience makes it a lot better. We end on bittersweet moment, where he feels like he's on the cusp of writing good, but we aren't sure.3. I kinda think/brainstorm what should happen in Act I. There's no method beyond thinking.4. Write a scene plot for Act I, of which scenes I need and which I don't5. Speed write Act I's scenes (like coloring in)6. Look it over, see what belongs, doesn't, how it effects the overall plot.7. Continue to rest of acts.
>>25517538Didn’t read. Too long.
>>25517543Did read. Excellent length.
>>25517374>five accepted short storiesAccepted by who?
>>25517538Not op. Your outline is not bad, but I’d say it’s way too structured. You should know where it starts and ends, everything in between will fall into place eventually. I say this because the story will evolve in a way you could not foresee in the beginning.
My shorter stuff I just post anonymously to the web. My longer stuff I plan to publish on web-novel platforms, a personal website, and/or self publish, but I am still working on it. Its a very long ways from being done. My ultimate goal for my best stories is to record them as audio-books and self publish them as author-narrated stories. If it goes well I might try my hand at one man radio-plays with sound effects, music, the works. Still plan to keep it a one man operation though. I am under no delusions that I would ever make enough money with my writing to justify spending a lot on production. At the end of the day it's a rather mentally taxing hobby to me, so learning new skills and constantly pushing myself out of my comfort zone is part of the "fun". Though I don't look forward to marketing. That aspect of things is pure fucking cancer. I ain't making a dozen and one social media pages and posting "content" 3 times a day on each to satisfy some algorithm in order to be seen.
>>25517538It is really interesting to see other people's processes. I legit just sit down and write some bullshit on a page that connects linearly to what I bs'd about yesterday for four hours a day. I just have the vague idea of the story in my head when I start.
>>25517549by me
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