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read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi
it's peak

>>25519511
No.

>>25519511
why are you shilling an ESL story

>>25519594
because it's peak. also how do you know it's ESL?

>>25519596
Cocopi is a huehue

>>25519598
source?

>>25519600
we talked and she told me her favorite anime is blue lock

>struggling through a bit of writing
>wordcount it
>it's only 300 words.
I guess it's not the hardest thing in the world to write ten of these a day for a chapter but I don't love thinking "this is shit" and pushing past it.

>>25518251
A cute girl is going to die and set off the MC in my story to kick the shit out of her killer, but I can only tell that to you guys.

>>25519625
Why would he care? Why would he risk his personal safety by confronting the killer? Totally irrational and unrealistic behavior, no wonder you have no readers.

>>25519511
That depends: Is it yuri? Does she end up fucking her client?

>>25519606
Anon my man, you gotta push past shit like that. If 300 words are enough to stall you, you're never making it to the end.

>>25519703
what the FUCK is a yuri?

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Is your writing inspired by another work or some other form of media?

>>25519719
No, I came up with the idea in an absolute vacuum before my coincidental landing on Earth

>>25519722
Sweet.
Hope you landed somewhere that isn't called Africa, India, Brazil, or Detroit.

>>25519727
He landed in China and then made this post >>25519657

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>>25519707
Everything that is correct and right in this world.

>>25519734
What?

>>25519483
>Well, it's technically almost impossible to prove, no matter how obvious it looks. Falsely accusing someone could turn into a court case so nobody wants to take the risk, however small

This is gets close to why criticism needs to move away from "dis is da ebil EY-EYE" and into "this reads like LLM output AND it has all these other problems that make it unenjoyable." The latter gets to the heart of the problem, which isn't some tired argument about preserving artists' paychecks for mediocre output; rather, it's about how the text is just bad.

Sometimes it won't be LLM output, truthfully and honestly. But even in those cases, the prose is usually stilted and trite and has an annoying cadence and structure to it that merits criticism anyway, and that's damning enough. The only possible downside is that people start writing in new awkward ways to avoid being called AI but oh well, maybe some authors will find a unique voice.

As for court cases, who cares? Honestly if that happens you can settle out of court for an apology in 99.99% of cases. Proving damages is nearly impossible on top of the impossibility of proving the negative "I DIDN'T use LLM." Calling something AI is almost completely legally equivalent to "this sucks and I didn't like it." Rather, I've seen reluctance to accuse of AI because other artists don't want to ruin the grift of their artist buddies. If someone's reputation gets ruined by an accusation and it's NOT true, they (artists) see that as a bad thing and THEN there can be blowback within the artist community specifically.

Any rec's for Academy stories?

A couple of reviews for other stories
Quest Academy
This was pretty fun, I liked the characters. It was definitely going to be a harem series until the author got pushback and its better for it. It does a good job setting up character archetypes so you can remember who's who which is hard with this many characters. Biggest pet peave is you have to ignore timeframes completely or the story doesnt make any sense, MC has the typical "works harder than anybody else" mindset and manages to revolutionise concepts within about a week. You dont really need both and I think the progression is happening too quickly.

Iron Prince
How the fuck is this only 2 books in when the quality is so ass? I DNF'd after book 1 because there's too much fighting and not enough character development. Progression is just sparring over and over, there's too many fights between generic background characters. The progression systems pretty bare bones, very obvious the MC was going to get the "has all the powers" move set. Again has the problem that the MC is getting too good too quickly so it wont make sense for any of the currently introduced characters to remain part of the plot much longer unless they also get some bullshit ability to speed up their development.

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New chapter of Chained City, SON!
https://www.royalroad.com/author-dashboard/dashboard/187232

>>25520007
>author dashboard link

>>25520007
Can you give me the login info bro

>>25520007
>91 pages
post again once you have at least 1000 pages

>>25519986
Honestly no. It's the isekai-slop of gookshit. From the around two-three dozens I've read they've all had shit Translations even terrible plot, pacing and characters. Academy stories are often times only decent enough in Manhwa form as you tighten prose/plot/pacing.

The only one I can actually remember from the top of my head is
>The Academy's Undercover Professor
And the web novel is absolutely shit while the manhwa was decent

>>25520028
>The Academy's Undercover Professor
The premise was interesting, but it turned to shit. Too many irrelevant characters, too fucking much talking, while nothing happens. The MC is a boring gary stu and his goal isn't compelling.

>>25520007
Did you really dump 13 chapters on day one and then forget the whole thing for a month? What were you thinking?

>>25520016
>>25520018
>>25520026
Sorry :(
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/187232/chained-city
>>25520056
I write when I can. My wagecage is very demanding, can’t be helped

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Greetings to my fellow cultivators on this day.

>>25520063
You could've built a real backlog before blowing your load, but chose to be stupid

I'm going to subvert my academy arc by having my protagonist test out of every class and leave early

>>25520054
Yep, sorry. That's my experience with all Academy stories. I'd just recommend classic japanese LN with school setting instead:
>Suzumiya Haruhi
>OreGairu
>The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria

Can't remember if its an Academy setting but I remember this being atleast decent:
>The Novel's Extra

>>25520073
>cultivators
So you just have multiple generals across like 5 boards where you shit the entire website up

>>25520152
This is a webnovel general. Which boards have cultivating generals? I only know of one.

>>25520151
Jesus dude, how is it even possible to have taste this terrible? Surprise you didn't mention The Extra's Academy Survival Guide, another babby's first gooktoon that /a/ loves.

>>25520063
Why bother commissioning a cover if you weren't even going to try and get on rising stars.
You could have released 8 chapters day one and then 2 chapters a week at least.

>>25520214
kek, recommend some good ones then. I mentioned I haven't found one from around trying out around 20-30 titles.

>>25520073
Kek
>>25520063
Should have spread it out, I think I unfollowed because I assumed you abandoned it. I did enjoy the story aside from that.

When I read some western WNs I get the ick. I don't always know what it is, but something about the story smells like DEI. It's usually not obvious like it is in movies, but a few lines here or there give me this feeling.

Eg:
>More than once, Gary had to interpose himself to shield another craftsperson, getting hammered into the ground for his trouble.
Lots of "craftspeople" in the same book as well.

I only get this feeling from some stories though and it shatters the illusion of what I'm reading. Others, like Max Level Archmage don't give me this feeling at all, even though it's a femc story where the entire main cast is women.

Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

>>25519719
yeah, by gundam uc and lotgh

>>25519986
>>Any rec's for Academy stories?
>Mother of Learning.
It's not exactly an academy story, but it has elements of it.
>Saving the school would have been easier as a cafeteria worker
It's not fully an academy story either, but so far it revolves around the academy. The title is the worst part of this story.

>>25520271
>craftspeople
OR AS WE LIKE TO CALL THEM

>>25519719
I mean, dungeon core is all built off of the bones of games like dungeon keeper and the general base defense sub-genre.
For my other, its initial inspirations was The Dragon and The George (Also known as The Flight of Dragons for the animated version) and Stranger Than Fiction.

>>25520229
Well, I admit it's a tough setting and most stories in it are pure shit. The Returner's Magic Should be Special takes place almost entirely in an academy and is one of my all-time favorites. Academy's Genius Swordmaster and Revenge of the Iron-Blooded Swordhound are decent dumb fun and I'm still following them, though the academy in them is more just a backdrop.

Anons might like Academy's Genius Blinker. I dropped it early on because even short-distance warping is so op bullshit, I couldn't believe a decent story can come from it. But it does have a lot of fans. Infinite Mage is also praised a lot and the manhwa had nice art, though I dropped it because it was fucking gaaaaay

>>25520271
I get you. It's really annoying when people tie themselves into a knot to use weird words and it's hella common in western WNs. I'm not even anti-woke, I thought the pronoun joke on Clara Casewell was funny, but that was more because it fit the character. If it smells like the author is being preachy I just jump right out

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Damn, Guilty3 raking in that dough (for the Chinese)

>>25520593
I can't wait till normies get flash banged in a bookstore by webnovel tier writing lmao

>>25520650
I'm assuming it's going to be pushed through a whole process of editing and rewriting

Is the Sky Pride author a pantser? It just dawned on me that I'm on ~ch.22 of book 6 and there is fuckall about any overarching plot besides Ring Grandpa's ramblings about the mad god. Still nothing about Grandpa either unless there's a big reveal by the end of the book, besides him obviously being retardedly strong.

>>25520659
Aethon is the publisher, there is no way that's happening. Probably one light line edit at most.
G3 is busy with the serial, he's not going to do serious edits to the books, that shit is very time consuming

I've just started skipping all isekaislop. I only want nativekino.

>>25520341
>>Well, I admit it's a tough setting and most stories in it are pure shit.
Yes, there is pretty much nothing actual good to recommend here, just various degrees of maybe average if you're lucky. Or just go loosely Academy adjacent like >>25520287. In that case I'll give another vote for Mother of Learning but I'd wager most have already read it.

Otherwise I'd almost unironically recommend Harry Potter and the methods of rationality if we're dead set on an Academy setting web series.

>>The Returner's Magic Should be Special
>>is one of my all-time favorites
I hope you mean only as Academy story or maybe Manhwa as the WN is trash tier writing, half of it reads like wordpadding or thinly veiled mc glazing from the narrator. Also why the fuck do you have a commoner vs evil noble Academy setting where commoners are grouped into one class and arent really expected to graduate, why the fuck are they even there? The author isnt even bothering with the setting at all. Manhwa slop it is.

>>Academy's Genius Swordmaster
>>Revenge of the Iron-Blooded Swordhound
>>dumb fun
I'll check them out, though probably only Manwha as I have no faith anymore.

>>Anons might like Academy's Genius Blinker. I dropped it early on because even short-distance warping is so op bullshit, I couldn't believe a decent story can come from it.
Is this the one also called Academy's flashing Genius or something? If so then yeah it sounds like a dumb as shit premise and I've never seen any reasonable good review of it. Feels like I've seen this series around a million times along with the another Academy series where the MC is misunderstood to be blind or something that also has no reasonable good reviews.

>>25520741
a fellow native isekai enjoyer I see

If I ever wrote some fun progressionshit, I'd want my MC's big first powerup reveal to be from a second person antagonist view.

>>25520271
Yeah that annoys the shit out of me. Gender neutral singular "they/their" as well.
>>25520703
Probably. I've been blitzing through it (just started volume 6 today) and it's funny how shit will just fall by the wayside and what a deus ex machine starsieve or whatever was. Still pretty good other than the weird effeminate appearance of the mc.
>>25520741
I've always hated isekai. It adds basically nothing to most of the stories that feature it.

>>25520748
>weird effeminate appearance of the mc.
I think that's more to do with the weird culture of men leaving their hair long while women already cut it. And sure the special double body-reformation making him purer than most.

>>25519986
Reverend Insanity. The first 85 chapters are an academy arc.

>>25520756
Yes but I can tell it's the author's fetish which is mildly annoying.

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>>25520316
>>craftspeople
>OR AS WE LIKE TO CALL THEM
crafties

>>25520747
Hm.
That's actually not a bad idea.

Hello anons, new to this WN stuff. What's some of the best 'system' stuff you have? like, with levels and skills and shit, bonus points if you can understand how said system works.

>typo in title
>160k views

>>25520821
The best system stuff is the ones where the system fades to the background. it's fun set dressing but it ruins everything when authors make it the whole story, do people really like spreadsheet simulators? (I mean, clearly so, but I don't get it)

>>25520861
ok but like
Do you have some recs or.

>>25520821
Ascension Through Skills

Is it possible to hit rising stars through organic growth on the site? Ie no ads or shilling the story elsewhere.

>>25520872
No, system-heavy stories suck and I just wanted you to know you have bad taste

>>25520878
It used to be possible, but there's too much AI slop, too much meta-gaming via networking-shoutout-tomfoolery, and too much public attention now for such a casual approach to work.
And it was already EXTREMELY difficult back then, too, to succeed purely organically. It's functionally impossible these days.

>>25519986
I Killed the Academy Player. The web novel is slower paced than the manwha.

>>25520821
I liked this one's https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/75359/on-foreign-soils-we-die
If I ever wrote a litrpg myself, I'd ape this desu

old bai, do you still remember imperial court blessed land?

>>25520878
No because that's not how the Rising Stars algorithm works. "Organic" growth is too slow to make the main list. However you can hit lesser lists, mainly obscure tags like comedy or satire.

>>25520984
>add in vague comedy and satire elements to game the tags
I see... optimization...

>>25520989
Brainlet takeaway
those lists are easy to get on because not a soul on the site searches them

>>25520989
They aren't on the frontpage
Only rising stars matters

>>25520994
>They aren't on the frontpage
RS drives a lot of traffic outside of front page? did you mean "main"?
>Only rising stars matters
So, there's actually some nuance. Global filters work on every page and so while top 50 default is the biggest driver, some people use tags like [Female Lead] only, and so you can be #200 and still be hitting a fairly large chunk of FMC readers on the main Rising Stars page still. Tags do matter, just not in the way he suggested

infinite realm may be finally drawing to a close soonish

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>looking through random stories
>see this
I don't like gay shit but what's the point of the first if you're not going to include the second?

>>25521012
What do you mean? Most romance stories don't include sexual content
>lesbians but no sex scenes and no harem
Is basically the standard on clean sites like RR

>>25521012
Autistic women treat mental disorders and weird sexuality like religious invocations and prayer rituals, sort of.

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I have a normal (no isekai, no litrpg, no cultivation shite) story I'm working on. Should I upload it to RR?

>>25521114
No

>>25521114
is it progression? is it some boring shit? multi-pov? cuck mc? boring scifi? romance slop?

is it good?

describe it

>>25521114
You shouldn't upload it anywhere because that shit is not popular anywhere online
You should try to get an agent and go tradpub and then 24 months later stuff a shotgun in your mouth and realize you should've written slop instead

plot beat idea: MC gets a snarky system but is so annoyed by the thing that he finds a way to uninstall its personality and now has to cope with figuring shit out himself

>Tfw fanfic writer
>Aware I’m scum
>400k+ words deep in a story and barely halfway done
>Post at least every 2 weeks relgiously
>Last week hit a couple finale clliffhanger chapters
>Reader begs me to start a patreon cuz apparently cliffhangers OP
>Across all sites I post, I prolly have 1-1.2k regular readers
>Assume this isn’t enough to sell my soul
>But still very tempted
Is it worth it, /wng/ ?

>>25521393
four figs regular readers is top tier for /wng/, yeah start a patreon. They're easy, takes a few minutes max to upload a chapter.

Just double check TOS on patreon for fanfiction authors. I don't think they care but you never know.

>>25521402
>>25521393
also check the sites' TOS, FFN.net won't allow patreon links outright

>>25521402
>>25521406
Noted, anons. I know Ao3 is zero tolerance for that shit (pretty sure RR is too for fanfics but will doible check).

>>25521393
What franchise inspired you to write a million-word fanfic?

>>25521424
Pokemon lmao

I’ve read too many shallow Isekai slop stories in the fandom and decided I’d give that genre the finger while trying to pull off the most retarded canonical villain concept. Shenanigans apparently continue to ensue.

>>25521429
Well, I can see the appeal. It's a setting that provides a lot of material for many kinds of scenarios

>follow a few stories on patreon
>It starts suggesting new updates from warbypicus and ravensdagger
I just want to read my stories in peace

>>25521429
Listen, as long as you're not starting off with a zookeeper thinking a lioness wants to fuck him before the zoo gets nuked and winding up in the Pokemon world, it probably won't be the worst Pokemon isekai I've ever read.

What are gu?

>>25521507
The geatet upevillain of all time

>>25521467
It's pretty gross how these platforms that pretend to serve all creators see the need to boost the already massive whales even more.

>>25520703
Grandpa is probably some sort of higher higher world +++ cultivator who is trying to maneuver soupbrains against the madgod but there's not much of anything as of the current update. Think the old one about god trying to touch the universe being trying to lower an aircraft carrier into a bathtub without rippling the water or causing any to spill.

Though the way they found the target of their escort quest was hilarious.

>>25521388
The MC goes into the menu and turns off the system's UI and notifications before the system can explain the special currency that only he has access to.
"Fuck tutorials. Fuck pay 2 win shit."
So now, as the MC navigates the world, he keeps collecting this currency, which should've made him super OP, without realizing it or ever using it.
This endlessly pisses off the god who brought the MC to this world. He talked mad shit to the other gods and bet his divinity that his apostle was superior to theirs.
"If the other gods knew my apostle was doing all this without my help, they'd make fun of me for the rest of eternity! Just open the goddamn menu, you mortal piece of shit!"

>>25521567
Make him a raging "non-genre savvy" 'tist like Isekai Ojisan for it to be more "believable" and I'd read it. Otherwise it's just: Why the fuck would anyone that is slightly reasonable and in a cultivation or similar world give up a free "cheat"? No, being a f2p enjoyer is not a strong enough reason to me and would be extremely hard to suspend my disbelief for a dumb gimmick.

>>25521567
>god who brought the MC to this world.
Brainwashed godcuck can't take a step forward without his shitty trope.

ALL fantasy stories, wng or not, rpg or not, isekai or not, suffer from the Chosen One trope, that only MC is The Special One or has That Special Power
it's a cheap and shallow way to give the MC an edge over the rest of the world

works if you're writing children's lit, but not otherwise
(and even then Dumbledore takes pains to point out to Harry Potter that it was up to him to take up the challenge, or not)

>>25521567
>>25521586
See, this is why I figured that making a snarky AI "companion" would be the easiest way. MC tries to turn it off when it starts chirping at him in the middle of a fight, winds up deleting the system guide entirely because they're intertwined, and now has no clue what most of his stats do, no descriptions of his skills, and no free tutorials zapped straight into his brainpan. Scale the ignorance back as required by the author.

It's meta and shit. You'll get a bunch of comments going "wow the author must have read [insert novel here] and not liked it!" The problem's making it into an advantage, really. Could go with the old cliche of "you've got skills but you don't understand what they do, they're just shortcuts".

>>25521591
I'll agree that this is true for an overwhelming majority of fantasy. System or isekai-shit however brings this to whole new cringe levels of self-insert wish fulfilment, a la Gary Stu. Gook-slop and chink-shit somehow and unironically spend an inordinate amount of time and wordpadding on plainly glazing the MC without any substance, telling us how unique he is. I'm impressed the authors themselves even have the stomach to write it at all.

>>25521592
>snarky AI "companion"
This or just plain "unreasonable" quests. Works if for example shit glitched out and MC was dropped into a "high-level zone" instead of beginner village or by accident tried to say challenge a young master per a beginner quest.

If we go by the plot that it's a god that bestowed it there really is no reason for it be snarky at all. I guess if the god delegated the implementation to an "intern" or lower god (with a terrible/narcissistic personality such as Aqua) it would be reasonable. But we do run into the actual problem, what is the actual plot beyond the gimmick? Is the system going to be relevant at all or would it just have been better to cut it from the beginning? Are you just going to get a shitton of comments where people complain that when is the MC going to turn on the system, etc? For a raging 'tistic MC we have no problem. It is at that point more interesting to the reader how the author is going to creatively tackle any obstacles/challenges for the MC and what dumbass route he will take.

>>25521388
>the system is ran by Dross from Cradle
I'd turn that shit off too.

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>>25521633
Quirk chungus ahh system

>>25521621
>But we do run into the actual problem, what is the actual plot beyond the gimmick?
Plot? Son, this is for a litrpg. We don't need a plot as long as we've got a dungeon to throw the MC into, or any kind of baddie lurking in the distance or whatever.

But yeah, you're right. You'd get those kinds of comments unless you repeatedly stated that there was no way to get the guide back and made it clear that it never had been anything except a detriment.

Come to think of it, that might be it. Have the AI "guide" actually be a program added in-universe to monitor everyone's progress and make sure they're steered away from socially maligned builds or those that are a threat to the world's ruling elite. MC's the only one who got annoyed enough to delete it and accidentally slips away from the tracking.

Have that intersect with a broader rebellion theming, maybe, and you could build a story around that.

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>>25519492
What was the time interval between you uploading your first chapter to RR and cashing your first dollar out of Patreon?

>>25521633
>age:15
dropped

>>25521657
A month or so.

I can't wait to get to the part where my MC gets an animal sidekick.
And then proceeds to abuse it.

>>25521666
How much was it? If you dont mind me asking.

>>25521669
€13.

>>25521670
How many subscribers? Two $10, four $5 or how? (I'm assuming the full amount was $20 but you lost $7 to payment processor fees?)

>>25521673
If I remember correctly I had two actual followers & a bunch of people who dipped in for the advance chapters and then unsubbed again.

What's the point of all these questions, anyway?

>>25521679
>If I remember correctly I had two actual followers & a bunch of people who dipped in for the advance chapters and then unsubbed again.
I've never understood this. I keep hearing RR writers saying people subscribe to them for like a week or so and then leaving only to come back months later. I assume it's because they don't like where the story is going and then come back when their discord friends tell them it took a turn for the better? So bizarre. I've never been able to afford being some detached to money...
>What's the point of all these questions, anyway?
I want to be a paid author and live off my creativity (rather than grueling work) just like my literary heroes <3

>>25521685
>I assume it's because they don't like where the story is going
I don't think so. I imagine it's because they want to do a one-time purchase of the advance chapters, which holds up for the rest of the month, and if they feel like it the next month they'll resub. That way they'll feel like they've got more control over where their money goes, while otherwise they might still be subbed to a Patreon they don't read anymore.

>>25521654
>slips away from the tracking
The [...]-system requests permission to read your mind and make arbitrary changes to your soul, body and mind. Do you accept? Yes | No
What would /g/ do?

>Have the AI "guide" actually be a program added in-universe to monitor everyone's progress and make sure they're steered away from socially maligned builds or those that are a threat to the world's ruling elite.
Eh, I don't know if it's just because I find system/LitRPG to be shit but this doesn't really sound that interesting to me, mainly because now the setting is system dominant. Isn't there a somewhat popular series called something akin to "Everyone has a system except me" that people did find enjoyable? Can't remember if it has a manga as well or if it's WN only.

>rebellion theming
Reminds me somewhat of cultivation series overall and their cultivating against the heavenly courts/emperor or whatever. I think LitRPG/system veiled cultivation like Defiance of the Fall also have the possibility to cultivate parallel or against the system in its setting.

>>25521695
>The [...]-system requests permission to read your mind and make arbitrary changes to your soul, body and mind. Do you accept? Yes | No
Only if the System was written in 100% safe Rust, that way I can be sure that my memory won't be corrupted and my blazingly fast brain won't be slowed down.

>>25521698
kek, there you have it. make the MC a /c/nile.
Dude saw a CoC and noped the fuck out.

>>25521702
>>25521698
>>25521695
the system is deployed in the EU so before it boots it's gotta serve you with the GDPR warnings

>>25521567
>>25521586
>>25521592
Make it a goddess, and make her an arrogant Aqua type who had her one divine beast (slave) handle the system installation. She’s also the annoying voice the MC immediately turned off.
“Why the hell did you even add a mute option?! How am I supposed to explain the system to him now, huh?!”
“Ack! G-Goddess, please… please calm down… Gasp! We still have the text message function…”
The MC turns off the UI.
“Die!”
“Goddess, mercy! Mercy!”
“Hmph! Screw it. I’ll go down there and beat some sense into that idiotic mortal myself!”
“But, Goddess, the bet…”
“Nobody will know unless you talk. So shut it!”
The goddess turns to leave, but a voice stops her.
“And where do you think you’re going, little sister?”
“You?! I-I was just…”
“Were you perhaps taking a stroll? Hmm? Didn’t you say today was the day you would send your chosen hero into my world? How did you describe him? Oh, yes. You claimed your hero was so powerful that he could overcome any challenge I threw at him without you having to lift a finger. You even bet your divinity on it. Hehehe.”
“Tch!”
“Just now, you weren’t planning to go down there and aid your hero, were you? You do realize that would break our agreement. And your pretty little divinity will be mine.”
The goddess shudders.
“Of course not! There’s no way I’d do something that dumb!”
“Surely not. Hehehe. Now, let’s head back and watch your hero’s progress, shall we? My darling followers should reach him soon. I’m sure they won’t pose too much of a challenge.”
*Gulp.*
And so the goddess can only watch as her “hero” stumbles his way across a new world without a single cheat to aid him.
“Oh my. He’s quite good. You sure know how to pick them, sister.”
“Ha! What did I tell you? Haha… ha…”
“By the way, what gift did you bestow upon him?”
“Hiss… Th-that is for me to know and for you to find out!”
“Stingy. Oh well. You wouldn’t mind if I increased the difficulty level, would you? Too late. I’m sending a dragon his way now.”
(Damn you, divine beast. I’ll skin you for this!)
(Goddess, please spare me!)

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>>25521702
forgot pic related

>>25521710
a 98 honda prelude would gap both desu

>>25521706
something like that but maybe less shit yeah

>>25521486
>Borne of Nutrition
Yeah, part of my inspiration for writing the fic was “what if there BoC-style battles but the MC doesn’t want to fuck his Pokemon.”

>>25521780
>MC doesn’t want to fuck his Pokemon
dropped

>>25521780
I'll accept this rationale for now but the moment a Ralts or a Buneary gets mentioned I'm dropping a 0.5 and reporting your Patreon.

>>25521706
cronge

>>25521592
I was working on a story where the system is a device-bound AR interface quantifying data and giving notifications, but then I started getting doubts, will the autismos reading this just rage at me because it's not a "pure" litrpg and there are no stats if you turn off the device.

>>25521685
>I assume it's because they don't like where the story is going and then come back when their discord friends tell them it took a turn for the better?

No, you fucking schizo, they just want to binge several months' stock of chapters in one go and don't want to pay for nothing while waiting for the content to build up.

Then there are also fucking retarded authors who offer like 200 advance chapters. Of course anyone sane will sub once, read those 200 chapters, cancel immediately, and only resub when there's another batch of 200 chapters available. Otherwise you're not getting what you pay for.

>>25521794
>There’s a Kirlia and a Gardevoir mentioned, but they’re owned by female trainers
>No Buneary or Lopunny and there never will be

>>25521870
Eh, to me I'd just question what is even the point of the system/AR interface here? Just discard it entirely? And is the MC just purposefully ignoring it or is it only the reader that doesn't get to see it?

>>25521706
I'll give you a (you) for effort but I wouldn't read it, characterization and implication of plot is way to simple.
>goddess bets her own divinity on a rando?
>big brother casually increases difficulty level (le sending late-stage boss)
>lil' sis doesn't get to?
make it so the beast/slave gave the option/freedom for idealist reasons or some shit at least.

>>25521882
>Of course anyone sane will sub once, read those 200 chapters, cancel immediately, and only resub when there's another batch of 200 chapters available.
This is the minority audience on Patreon by nature
Most income comes from people who keep up to date, not binge readers
People who are okay with binging usually don't subscribe at all, they catch up to public and then go read the next story

>>25521900
>what is even the point of the system/AR interface here?
What is the point of the systems in litrpgs? To display the characters' growth and possibilities in a simple, understandable way, of course, dumbass

>>25521958
Uhu

One thing I’ve always wondered about patreon is what happens if the story is short? Maybe a 100-chapter story that gets completed on patreon within 3 months. What then?
Does the writer go, “Alright guys. That’s a wrap. There won’t be any more chapters so you can unsubscribe now.”
Would people feel betrayed for subbing to something so short or would they go tffs and move on?

>>25521967
Depends entirely how the story is written and what expectations it gives the readers. Personally I'd assume such an author would probably start or hint towards their next story before the first one ends if that's what they're going for. Up to the author to set the right expectations.

>>25521967
Paypiggies get cucked all the time, subbing for stories that end in under 10 chapters. They're used to being raped in the ass and either keep on throwing their money into the void politely or else move on to be raped by somebody else.

>>25521967
You can either start a next story when the previous one ends, or just be transparent with your readers and say this is the only story you plan to write, it'll be about ~100 chapters long and have a satisfying ending, and when it's done it's done.

My story is also on the shorter end (it's gonna be less than 200 chapters total) and I've already let my readers know. I don't really plan to do another story after it, and if I don't, then I'll just close my Patreon when I finish and thank everyone who supported it.

>>25521967
Sell epubs. My finished stuff is pay-gated.

>>25521967
You should ask on discord. There's only 2 anons that are midlisters at best. Rest are shitty failures that couldn't write a compelling story to save their lives and cope by saying they write off-meta or are focused on prose.

>>25521591
The solution is to have another character be the chosen one that the biggest plot revolves around and make the meat of the story about a "side" character protagonist who deals in smaller scale problems.

Banished From the Hero's Party does this with the protagonist's sister being the Hero, while the MC is the Guide who goes on to live a slow life on the edge of the world. So you can have a fantasy world, even native fantasy, without having too much "chosen one" bullshit.

>>25522131
You should stay in the fucking discord and not show your ugly face around here

>>25522156
Except the MC in that is still an op gary stu who solves all the problems with ease

>>25521692
I'm pretty sure it's this. I can see in my emails when the same person subscribes multiple times and I've got about a dozen people on their third or fourth subscription. They just sub, wait a while, then cancel. I assume they're practicing good sub hygiene by regularly going through a list of their active subscriptions and purging the unimportant ones so that they don't wind up wasting money on something they don't use all the time (I forgot to unsub from midjourney for like three months like an idiot).

I try not to let it bother me, but it does in fact bother me to see people unsubscribe. That said, I rarely get negative comments so at worst I'm just boring people into leaving, which is bad but not impossible to recover from. I assume they leave and remain followed on RR.

>>25522168
Just fill out the general skill tree BRO they're RIGHT THERE all it takes is a little effort :^)

How do you share enriched writing anonymously these days? And I specify "enriched" because most sites I know are either devoid of format (even removing line breaks) or code-oriented.

I finished the first chapter of this project of mine and I wanted to share it to you guys for a review, but I dont want to make an account anywhere to do so, I want to keep myself "non-comittal" to this project until I have at least the introductory chapters done.

>>25522238
never tried it but doesn't rentry have some form of formatting?

>>25522238
In Ao3, if you add it to "Anonymous" as a collection, you'll be anonymous. I used to share my writing that way.

>>25522238
I used to do rentry but from my experience anons don't often read them at all.

>>25522307
speaking as >>25522240 I'd say getting anyone to read anything is pretty much up to timing and luck. Further Ao3 "Anonymous" collection sounds preferable to me over Rentry as I'm used to reading shit from Ao3 or downloading it as EPUB.

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25522327
Consult the Sailorman of The West and ask for wisdom on how to grow stronger. Eats yer spinach! Arg arg arg arg arg!"

>>25522131
Post your WN

>>25522399
I can't since I'm not a writercuck

>>25522404
>He can't make anything himself, he needs others to do it
Sounds like you're the cuck for me.

>>25522412
>you need to know how to cook to be able to tell who is a good or bad chef
Original question is about what to do about Patreon. Since nobody here is worth listening to about that subject it's best to ask elsewhere.

>>25522427
>No no I don't have sex, you gotta fuck my wife for me
Cuck

>>25522441
Where did I say that? You seem really upset about me using "writercuck".

>>25522427
there are some people who know exactly what they're talking about but the issue is there are also lots that don't, and sometimes obviously wrong stuff can sound sensible when phrased in the right way.
so ultimately I agree that /wng/ isn't the best place to get advice. but I will disagree that there aren't people here capable of speaking on this topic

>>25522458
You're replying to the hotshot popular author who supposedly makes a fortune but refuses to name his work or give any actual advice, just sits here all day calling everyone else bad and not worth listening.

>>25522533
retard

>>25522533
very ironically, I'm pretty sure you're taking about me and I posted >>25522458
the other guy literally said he doesnt write

>>25522533
also I give advice, but less these days since its just the same stuff over and over again. I even wrote a guide for this general, it's in the OP

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>>25522240
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>>25522323
I ended up using AO3, hopefully the very few people that follow me for my slop wont be upset that I'm posting anything but lol.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/92311071/chapters/246010311

It may have its flaws and it may not be very substantial, but it was an honest effort, I gave it my all. I may have overstayed my welcome and fallen behind my deliberately made up schedule severely, but its still better than nothing. Before I commit to writing more consistently and make this an actual WN, I'd like you hear your thoughts.

>>25522743
terrible prose
won't make it as a webnovel

>>25522743
Ignore the previous anon, your prose is average, you can totally make it.

>>25522834
It really isn't
way too wordy and choppy for the current audience

>>25522743
>MC is dumb, if she had powers all along why didn't she use them to detect and kill the bandits before they were aware of her. She's going to instadie to non-human threats.
>comment by JakartaNinjitsu98

>>25522850
Ok so you don't mean the prose isn't good, you mean the prose isn't tiktok-brained.

>>25522886
AKA not good

>>25522850
NTA
Read first few pages, this prose could totally succeed if the story is good. It's not especially good and not especially bad, so the story is what matters
I will say however that the less "slop" (genre-popular, e.g. litrpg cultivation) your story is, the better the prose needs to be. And the prose is pretty lackluster if you're targeting the more trad 10% of webfic readers, so the crab isn't entirely wrong, I guess, though he's severely overstating his case

>>25522886
You can look down on the unwashed masses all you want, but you have to remember that you're writing for them, not yourself.
Readers have certain expectations, especially genre readers, about how a story should play out and how it should be written. If you can't meet those expectations, they'll simply move on to the thousands of other options available to them online.

>>25522909
>you're writing for them, not yourself.
you should be writing for both imo, and only if you're trying to make money, otherwise write for yourself

>>25522914
In my opinion, writing for oneself is masturbatory in every sense of the word. Nobody should think "writing for oneself" is a good thing. Fuck self-expressionists.

>>25522743
I had to stop two sentences into the real story. You wore me out with the purple prose in the synopsis that didn't mean anything, and two sentences that barely parsed.

What's your birth tongue? Why don't you just write in that?

>web novel thread
>EVERYONE talks about the prose
lol

>>25522942
In this case it's because the author cared about the prose that it's an issue

>>25522944
readers don't care about prose and that includes clumsiness in all its forms so i really truly do not understand your point. it's flowery-clumsy (and not even THAT clumsy, just hints of it) instead of stilted-terse-clumsy like most web novels but neither matters to the average reader. idk i really can't understand your perspective
readers truly do not give a fuck

>>25522948
they don't care if its good, they care if its there
it's too boring for anyone with adhd to sit through

In the spirit of sharing prototypes, I wrote a quick 1300 words and also posted it to archiveofourown.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/92316381
I mostly just read WNs/LNs, I've wanted to try writing one but never had the gusto. Have written fanfiction though. Years of it, even.

Story is in-media-res, if you want setting details I left them in the notes at the bottom. Felt a bit too melodramatic and whiny for my tastes though, if I actually wrote a WN I think I'd make the main character a deranged pervert, maybe even a sex criminal.

>>25522952
the story clearly isn't mean for adhd readers though? it won't be the next Gifted but it's not trying to be, it's trying to get the much smaller trad reader audience, which absolutely exists
are you disingenuous or just stupid? I can't tell

>>25522958
you're disingenuous if you think anyone cares about the trad audience here
they'd think its shit anyway too

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>>25522776
>>25522850
I like to believe my mid to average prose has a place out there, and hopefully people will stick around for the characters and story like anons here said >>25522834 >>25522895. I don't know what my target audience is supposed to look like or who should I cater to, but maybe they'll find me. Until then, I'll try to improve my writing however I can.
>>25522895
>And the prose is pretty lackluster if you're targeting the more trad 10% of webfic readers, so the crab isn't entirely wrong
Yeah, I figured the writing wouldn't be good enough. It's fine, I'll see what I can improve as I go, I don't feel particularly upset or attached to the being criticized because, again, I gave it my best shot, so I can't be mad. I will try to do something about it, though, don't get me wrong, the last thing I want is people backing out because they couldn't stomach the writing, like the next anon.

>>25522964
>you're disingenuous if you think anyone cares about the trad audience here
from my experience (as someone who's been here since the creation of /wng/) most anons read the more trad stuff, the people talking about litrpg are in the minority
though the cultivation/translated-works have taken over more recently, admittedly.

this is also completely unrelated to the actual matter at hand, which is that a trad audience does exist and pretending you should always pursue the most popular style is "best". by that logic we should all be writing romantasy or romance or erotica.
just a completely incoherent worldview
so, yes: you're just stupid

>>25522958
>trad reader audience
When was the last time you browsed the new releases section? Because I can tell you right now that contemporary trad pub books have more in common with Gifted and the average AO3 fic than they do with whatever great work of literature you have in your head.

>>25522931
>You wore me out with the purple prose in the synopsis that didn't mean anything, and two sentences that barely parsed.
I don't know what "purple prose" is supposed to mean, but if it makes you feel any better, the synopsis was vague on purpose... I just didn't want to bother cause I'm using AO3 as a posting archive until I make the jump to a proper WN site. That said, sorry to hear you didn't stick around for the rest of the story.
>What's your birth tongue? Why don't you just write in that?
>He figured out I'm an ESL
Dammit...! I knew someone was going to notice lmao.
Trust me, birth tongue or not, it wouldn't make too much of a difference, sadly. That said, I do find english easier to write in more fun, and I believe its good practice in the long run, in and out of storytelling.

>>25522973
the trad reader audience is people reading stuff like worm, apgte, apgts, katalepsis, etc, all frequently talked about here (well, again: more in the past than nowadays, it's mostly chinese spam here now)
more recent releases: super supportive, elf dragon, lots of magical girl stories, so on
it's much rarer to see successes in this category but pretending they don't exist is braindead. litrpg/cultivation is dominant but the less common 10% of a large audience is still meaningful, esp. if you aren't trying to make a million dollars like the next Primal Hunter lmao

did I misunderstand your point? what were you trying to convey? I can't tell. it's basically a universal internet phenomenon but people need to explain their point instead of assuming other people can read their mind. i think you're trying to call me a lit pseud because you have some chip on your shoulder and don't want to admit there are serious divides in the web fiction community

Stop spamming

>>25522992
Please be kind to RIspammer. It is not his fault that his parents knowingly raised him, aware of his neurological disorder.

>>25522983
>mostly chinese spam here now
You mean the literal spammer or do you man anons talking about cultivation?
The latter is because cultivation even though you group it with litrpg is really just Chinese fantasy. It makes the bulk of the stuff that isn't litrpg or systemshit. Of course there's cultivation that's also litrpg/systemshit at the same time but that stuff never gets talked about it.

>>25523008
i meant the fact that this thread talks about chinese works way more than it did in its inception. it's the dominant topic now
i might be a relic at this point, we mostly talked about english works before

>>25523011
Sky Pride and Beware of Chicken are English works.
Other than English cultivation/progression and the non-litrpg English works you already mentioned what's released recently? Super Supportive was 3 years ago, Nowhere Stars was 4.
Seems like such stuff is dying out.

Working on my prototype. It's about a dirty disgusting obese gooner pedophile would-be-rapist NEET who gets isekai'd into a fantasy world and he gains a cute slave girl automatically, and their dynamic is him trying to find a way to rape her since she's stronger than him while she tries to find a way to kill him around the barrier the Goddess blessed him with. Do you think I could find an audience?

>>25523021
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&tagsRemove=cultivation&tagsRemove=litrpg&tagsRemove=progression&tagsRemove=gamelit&orderBy=release_date&minfollowers=3000

By nature they are less common, I already said that. But they exist, and new ones are coming out too. Arguably Max Level Archmage fits the premise, it's non-progression and only litrpg-at-first-glance in the same way SS is. It's clearly a tag abuser fiction
I don't think such stuff is dying out. It just takes longer to filter up in most cases. Works like those spread by word of mouth and that takes time, but chugs along in a way the usual flash-in-a-pan 4k stock standard litrpg can't

>>25523031
Rance is funnier
>>25523011
>it's the dominant topic now
Scroll up. The dominant topic is writer anons trying to reverse engineer litrpg even though they hate it and have barely read any of it. The best threads where when they were trying to figure out Gifted.

>>25523035
>Scroll up. The dominant topic is writer anons trying to reverse engineer litrpg even though they hate it and have barely read any of it. The best threads where when they were trying to figure out Gifted.
Yeah so I meant people actually talking about fiction instead of the meta stuff
we used to actually talk about english works here, almost never happens now except when a random anon complains about wandering inn

>>25522909
Anon, you are objectively correct.
But don't tell people their prose is "bad", tell them the prose isn't in line with what idiots read these days. Different things.

>>25523039
>But don't tell people their prose is "bad", tell them the prose isn't in line with what idiots read these days.
Both can be true.

>>25523031
Mushoku Tensei already exists anon.

>>25523035
>>25523042
Nah my gimmick is totally unique, he'll stay fat and disgusting instead of becoming attractive

>>25523041
Not the point

>>25523032
>Arguably Max Level Archmage fits the premise
It's literally isekai into video game opmc. The fact you had to include that speaks volumes.
>https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&tagsRemove=cultivation&tagsRemove=litrpg&tagsRemove=progression&tagsRemove=gamelit&orderBy=release_date&minfollowers=3000
A lot of these are old, APGtE is not only old it didn't even begin on RR. Then you have a bunch of Naruto/Star Wars/Pokemon fanfics.
Now do the same search without removing Cultivation and Progression and look what happens
https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&tagsRemove=litrpg&tagsRemove=gamelit&orderBy=release_date&minfollowers=3000
Absolutely mogged

>>25523057
what the fuck is the point you are making? that they're far rarer? i have said that ten times in a row. how did you possibly type out this response as some sort of gotcha?
you're also a retard im realizing
damn it feels like everyone here is a retard i really don't know why i keep coming here. the people i liked chatting with are clearly gone. i need to let the chinese spammers take over i guess

>>25523065
>you said thread doesn't talk about english works
>explain why
>you respond with some cope
>points out that it's cope
>you sperg out

>>25523074
i would explain why this response is retarded but i truly have lost hope
if you want to keep talking explain why this is a stupid fucking answer in context. but you can't because you've failed to have a coherent conversation from the start

>>25523077
>The latter is because cultivation even though you group it with litrpg is really just Chinese fantasy. It makes the bulk of the stuff that isn't litrpg or systemshit. Of course there's cultivation that's also litrpg/systemshit at the same time but that stuff never gets talked about it.
>Other than English cultivation/progression and the non-litrpg English works you already mentioned what's released recently? Super Supportive was 3 years ago, Nowhere Stars was 4.
Seems like such stuff is dying out.
I already made my points, you got emotional about it. There's no point discussing anything with a bitch.

What would Wu Hao do in this situation?

>>25523089
such stuff is not dying out you fucking RETARD it was always rare but anons here talked about it because it was good
and such stuff is still being written and filtering up, it's just slow because it is RARE.
Primal Hunter is the biggest story in this space barring DCC and it's never talked about. RR popularity =/= this thread
you have no point whatsoever, you are stumbling around in the dark and can't understand what i'm typing to you. fuck i am so tired of this thread

>>25523098
It is dying out because RR has grown but those kind of stories haven't kept pace with the growth.
>RR popularity =/= this thread
no shit, primal hunter is litrpg. The bias against litrpg means cultivation/progression is naturally the next biggest thing.
>fuck i am so tired of this thread
good fuck off and read your tranny magical girl shit

>>25523102
you are such a fucking retard. they are keeping pace, they were rare and are still rare, you just think because there hasn't been a 20k+ follower trad story in the past year that it's "dying off"
i don't read magical girl stories for the record, it's really funny you tacked on whatever your mentally ill vendetta is. you are genuinely stupid and i mean that with my entire heart, i usually talk to someone and can glean some sort of insight into their perspective, even when I'm annoyed, but you are just completely mind empty

>>25523103
You were raped

NTAs, but what even *are* the top genres of a "trad" novel?

>>25523104
you owned me and totally didn't prove my point

>>25523103
Listen retarded thin-skinned anon.
Since genres and sub-genres can't actually die because there's always going to be someone producing them, dying has to be measured in terms of total output of that "industry". By your own admission those stories are still rare, it's not just about huge 5k follower counts. Thy are totally swamped by random 2k follower litrpg stories nobody can even remember.
>they are keeping pace, they were rare and are still rare
You are contradicting yourself. Take deep breaths
>i don't read magical girl stories for the record, it's really funny you tacked on whatever your mentally ill vendetta is
There's like 3 or 4 of them in your search you linked including at least one yuri one and one written by Thundamoo and you also literally mentioned Magical Girls yourself. Why are you so upset about that specifically, struck a nerve?
>you just think because there hasn't been a 20k+ follower trad story in the past year that it's "dying off"
Now you're just straw-manning.

>>25523117
>Listen retarded thin-skinned anon.
you are sperging out harder than me
btw i didn't read the rest i gave up on you like i said, shant be baited further

>>25523122
>you are sperging out harder than me
Obviously not since I haven't threatened to quit the thread forever 3 times or pretended I was getting "baited"

>>25523130
>threatened to quit the thread
oh so you're in the make shit up stage, like the usual retard
i'll be here, i just said my opinion has been consistently lowering, and that i'm fed up, and that the people i liked have left. i never said i would leave myself. you really do live in a world of your own, don't you?
i probably should join them tho. i know i won't though
ill still be here to call you a tard, don't worry. my responses have just gotten low effort. i'm one of the guys saying >retard every time you leave a braindead post. not the only one though

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>>25522909
I don't think you're quite wrong, but I am still going to disagree, mainly because I know first hand what it means to do creative work for the sake of an audience and learned that I, for one, will write for myself and those willing to read my stuff because that is how it works for me in drawing (and fanfic writing, really). Not to say I wont adapt to conventions and meet some expectations, but if I start focusing solely on an audience and forget about myself I'm only going to lose sight of things and my passion for writing will take a toll... which would suck major ass losing my passion for arts AGAIN for the exact same reason. Right now I just want to make my project and if some people catch it, its my win.
>>25522875
It almost saddens me that this is the only story-related comment I got so far, but this gave me a very good chuckle lmao. Thanks, anon.
>She's going to instadie to non-human threats.
Now, you jest...

>also
Not throwing shade or anything, but I have faith that I have a spot in this writing gist, as small as it could be, because this >>25523031 is what I have to compete with lol
>inb4 this is what people are into
I genuinely do not understand the appeal of videogame mechanics in storytelling...

>>25523132
That's 4 now
It's just retard not >retard

>>25523143
cry

>>25523150
>Im not sperging out

Anyone have any uncommon recs they can share? Not looking for thread mainstays, big names like in the Rentry, romance, or slow burn/slice of life.

>>25523152
cry

>>25523133
>It almost saddens me that this is the only story-related comment I got so far, but this gave me a very good chuckle lmao. Thanks, anon.
I'm glad someone found it funny. As for your prose it's fine for webfiction I think. It mostly doesn't get in the way of imagining what's happening. At least for me, dunno about the average reader. Though I did skim through the combat like I usually do. I believe them being bandit rapists is kind of cliche and more importantly it's not as compelling for her characterization when she kills them compared to if she had killed a lone mugger. Most people don't care bout killing rapists at least during the actual act.

>>25523132
>i probably should join them tho. i know i won't though
You don't add anything to the thread but whining,

>>25523174
cry (still?)

From viewpoint of christian theology at which stage does cultivator stops being an image bearer. and presumably becomes a spirit. After that point, can any mortal schmuck who somehow got his hands on the Seal of Solomon order her around?

>>25523177
Why are you one word spamming?

>>25523182
Christians would find it incompatible with their theology and claim it as a science with nothing divine about it.

>>25523184
cuz ur a tard, won't engage seriously
cry?

>>25523186
Not only are you a thin-skinned sperg, you seem to lack self awareness

>>25523198
cry

>>25523105
Romance and DEI.
I literally cannot think of a trad pub novel from the last five years that isn't one or the other or both.

>>25522743
Why is it completely impossible for anons to write a synopsis that makes any sense or describes the story? It WILL lose you readers and earn bad ratings.

>>25523286
Writing a synopsis is a skill, part of marketing more broadly. It's not the same thing as writing a good story, although I think it's much easier to learn. It's just not something anons put much time into.

I didn't realize how imoprtant it was until I got to a table at a convention and had someone ask me what my book was about and I immediately spilled my spaghetti everywhere and gave a terrible answer. For the following hour I was VERY motivated to figure out a good elevator pitch. Prior to that I simply didn't care because I never was forced to convince someone to give it a shot in less than twenty seconds. Family and friends entertained my rambling for at least a few minutes out of politeness.

>>25523286
>bad ratings
>ao3

>>25523286
actually no one reads that shit

people only look at the title and cover, sometimes tags

>>25523310
False. Write a bad synopsis that misrepresents the story and actually get some readers. You are guaranteed to get a lot of passionate feedback telling you the story is not what the summary promised.

Of course, if the description is incomprehensible gibberish then no one can refer to it but has to look at the tags. But countless will be filtered.

>>25523154
I liked Mistakes Were Made but looks like it died

>>25519657
>Why would he care?
Because he started to. And the girl represents something he genuinely appreciates, and so she became an anchor of normalcy and respect for him.
So MC will be understandably a little peeved.

>>25520063
>I write when I can. My wagecage is very demanding, can’t be helped
I don't even care about RR stats but man, you are stupid.

lool all the low rating reviews pointing out the stories on RS now are all blatant AIslop have been removed, leaving only the "10/10 masterpiece" reviews up. What an absolute joke of a website

>>25523036
>random anon complains about wandering inn
Listen here you little shit, dont call me out like that. But second audiobook is much better, thanks to anon who told me to persevere till skinner. Luv me sum fucking ice fairies, simple as.

>>25520703
"Is author in a format full of pantsers a pantser?"

Yes odds are that, like literally every other novel that blew up, the author had one, maybe two volumes actually planned out at most and has been winging it since.

>>25522743
My fellow ESL, dont used modern english in speech in what feels like medieval setting. Instead of chick use something like lass or wench. Midsection could be gut. Prose is rough, but not particularly in the way, just some sentence structure and word choices are a bit odd. But story could be interesting, she seems a little OP straight from the get go, but I'm not sure how her powers work to really comment.

>>25522743
Are you the same person from a couple of threads ago that asked about ideas for a good-religion setting to contrast the common evil cult ones?

Speaking as a reader only, I'd say the issue with the prose is mostly that it has the same quality as purple prose. It has a tone/quality that is in line with something that is highly emotional/dramatized/romanticized, and to me here, it feels mostly unsubstantiated because we have seen nothing of it yet. Worse to me is the tone is pretty highly strung this way throughout. We can normally constantly see this same problem in AI-writing, a continuous high tension tone without any actual substance behind it. We see very few shorter, neutral or other descriptions to contrast the high/wonderous description of things. It reads almost like a fever dream or like painting with only neon colors.

We are introduced to and expected to emphasize with a highly dramatized scene where I'd assume most readers, at least myself have not yet emphasized with the work at all. If this were to have been the peak of an arc, or plot beat a bit later in the story, it would probably have worked much better (with a bit of rework) and felt more substantiated/natural but here it just feels forced. To me this reads like romantasy and I would normally have dropped it a couple of paragraphs in. Many sentences alone can be great but the combined usage of them is just purple prose.

I would like to add that the fight/bandit-rapists scene is a bit to cliched so you lower the expectation of what we are to expect from the story, some form of cliched melodrama where the MCs head is in the stars?

Further for the fight scene I'd also add a bit more emphasis in the text that she is using her blessing/magical strength at the beginning of the fight itself (the only indication as far as I remembered was "invoking her strength" or something) to give a clearer picture that she is fighting against multiple male bandits with her form of magic and not physical strength alone. But the bandit scene itself feels forced and dumb, we have drunk(?) bandit-rapists that attack this girl (knowing she is probably an acolyte) and they do not immediately restrict her movements hard at the first opportunity they get, at some moments she's not even resisting. This is rape 101.

Lastly a nitpick but I feel like you overemphasize or reiterate some descriptors in the same form a bit too much like "the stars" and "acolyte", even though I do assume it is a great part of her religion and her mentality. This contributes to the whole overdramatized/romantasy feeling.

I'll note that the idea, setting or execution is not even all that bad but it hits too many clusters of "red flags" that signal even worse patterns later. Usually a form of storytelling where the world revolves around any particular emotional beat (neon colors) that can commonly be seen in or lead to forced romance drama in a romance series. A typically common form of storytelling with a fMC.

>>25520271
Virtue-signaling is already deeply ingrained in Western writers. While it's not incurable, I have zero hope that they'll ever get past it.

>>25520821
Kumo Desu Ga, Nani Ka?

>>25523562
>Speaking as a reader only, I'd say the issue with the prose is mostly that it has the same quality as purple prose. It has a tone/quality that is in line with something that is highly emotional/dramatized/romanticized, and to me here, it feels mostly unsubstantiated because we have seen nothing of it yet
in short, it is full of unearned pathos

>>25522743
mate, I read the first paragraph and I was immediately turned off
too purple, too emotional, not enough description of what was actually going on, I didn't want to bother any further

this is such a common problem that I suggest an exercise for all of you trying your hand at this. go take your favourite novel, go to Chapter 1, or your favourite chapter, get two highlighters and highlight how much of the chapter is DESCRIPTION of the surroundings and what is happening, and how much is the INNER THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS of the character. also count the number of words in the chapter, and count the number of "purple words" and figure out the percentage.

because you fellas are overdoing this shit way too much

>>25523588
>in short, it is full of unearned pathos
ah nice thanks, knew there would be some better term for it.

>>25522954
>https://archiveofourown.org/works/92316381
I enjoyed the first section where he's reflecting on things until he reincarnates/awaken, it had a fun tone to it. The interactions after where a bit odd however, particularly where he remembers that June was killed there. It felt really forced. We have a sense that he has regressed/timelooped a lot of times already and to me it makes no sense that he doesn't have an almost "instinctive memory" that this bathroom is where a female dies. So it feels strange that he's almost shocked when he remembers it?

When reading the author notes it is to me even more shocking that these are supposed to be 11 years old and the MC is supposed to be mentally 14. I'd assume they were at higher tiers of schooling from everything described or presented. We have a mentally 14 year old that has been gruesomely killed and regressed enough times that he seems to have almost no qualms about it anymore. Just going about his thoughts about it in an academic/eloquent and jovial tone? And he was apparently part of the hero's party that killed the demon lord (in training) but they should barely have even entered their growth spurt? Feels like you compressed 10-20 years of story/character development into 3 years to keep 'em young?

>a deranged pervert, maybe even a sex criminal
eh, this is almost always just tasteless

>SSS class suicide hunter is getting an anime
sigh... another thing I'll have to drop.

>>25523692
I dropped it at the retarded romance arc that just felt like the author discovered a new waifu and wanted to inject her into his story for self-inserting purposes

>reading tradpub fantasy from mid-90s
>Elf named Kael

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>just change it a bit so teacher won't notice

>>25523961
Is it so hard to come up with just a few new names and pretend you contributed somehow?

>>25523961
what in the ESL is this faggotry

>>25523961
lol'd

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>>25523963
They probably have a script upload the text directly from the generator. Who would strain their index finger by clicking so much?

Top RS is once again reincarnated as a baby and you're STILL not writing into this trope. The readers crave it

>>25524050
I don't crave the readers of it

>plan a new story
>end up on YouTube
>realize my story is similar to a currently airing show
Boutta blow my head clean off my dudes.

>>25524050
I haven't looked at RR in a minute, but how's that different from most regressor or reincarnation or Isekai stories?

When will space opera finally be Meta?

>>25524104
what a hack
go write a superior version

>>25524112
in the age of tiktok? have you been smokin'?

>>25524109
Because it targets all the RR readers who think themselves smart but lazy, and live vicariously through the baby at the peak of their growth potential to achieve the heights that they think they would have achieved had they applied themselves.

So, a massive market.

>>25524113
It's very kind of you to assume I'm not completely retarded.

>>25524159
I'm aware of what the draw of second chance or life metagaming stories is. I'm not asking why it's popular I'm asking what makes it different from any other reincarnation subgenre. Usually being a baby at the start is implied.

>>25524162
It's not different. I'm just saying that there is an open hole in the market right now in the reincarnated-as-a-baby-and-becomes-OP-because-of-it space that is begging to be filled, and not enough authors are writing into it. It is your chance right now to publish something with it before it becomes archmages all over again.

>word processor: Google Docs
>Writing platform: Budget Android
>Notes: Single document
>Editing: None
>Updates: Posted before going to bed
Yup. Time to write some kino.

>>25524166
Alright.
Baby Bitcoin Billionaire (oc donut steel).

>>25524143
>have you been smokin'?
Yes but that's beside the point.

The Dank Daoist

>>25524160
No, it's up to you to furiously write a superior version in impotent rage and post the results here so we can determine if you're actually completely retarded or not

>>25524112
Probably never. Sci Fi is dying in general as reality becomes weirder than plausible fiction and technology becomes more and more of an oppressive, hates force, IMHO. Not that I'm going to give up writing it.
>>25524104
I had ~120 chapters outlined for a web novel and then read Sky Pride and realized it's almost the same, even the origin for the MC being a dump. The characters and setting were very different but the plot and progression were eerily similar. It made me feel schizophrenic.

>>25524172
I feel it very much was the point. But that reminds me, isn't Wiblybows latest series ( 'Seek' or something) some multi-pov space sci-fi? Anyone know of it or have an opinion on it?

Can somebody please expain to me like to a retard why is "Who let him cultivate?" funny.

>>25524234
It's only funny if you exist in the overlap between Jujutsu Kaisen fan, eSports watcher and webnovel enjoyer.
Basically if you aren't a chigger or blackaboo it's not gonna do it for you.

>>25524234
I've read maybe 10 chapters of the manwha and dropped it, I assumed the WN might have been better but the plot itself was beyond retarded with barely anything resembling comedy.
>>25524251
kek

>>25524260
>kek
I wasn't joking.

I wanna write a battle shonen. Why don't more people do that?

>>25524270
the authors intent does not matter

>>25524275
Isn't that literally what most progression and academy stories are?

>>25524292
I guess but they all follow the same cookie-cutter setting. Where are the Narutos and Bleachs?

>>25524300
>Narutos and Bleachs?
>japanese media
>shinigami and ninjas
>not cookie cutter
huh

>>25524306
Both settings are miles more unique and have better lore than nearly every novel I've seen so...

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>>25524112
Never, and that's all I ever write. It's for the best.

>>25524311
You really need to read more widely then. Enjoyment and personal preference is all fine and dandy, but fantasy gets way crazier and more in-depth than bleach and naruto. Prose as a medium is just way better suited to deep exploration than manga is

>>25524319
Assuming we're still talking about webnovels *COUGH* but-I-still-think-it-holds-true-anyway-because-all-the-normal-novels-I've-read-had-boring-settings-too *COUGH*, recs?

>>25524324
>Assuming we're still talking about webnovels
Well, I don't think it's entirely fair in that case, because you're comparing an absolutely tiny niche to some of the most popular media on the planet. English web novels are 0.001% the size of Manga/Anime. Even fantasy novels as a whole are probably 1-5% the size.
>boring settings
That's just personal preference, is the issue. I wouldn't recommend Sanderson's work for example, but his settings are objectively less cookie cutter than Japanese Ninja Villages lmao
Quite honestly I think the whole post-apocalyptic system-multiverse stuff that's the meta in english web novels is more unique than that. Even though again I don't read that garbage

I don't care much about settings and lore in general so I probably can't give good recs, that's not why I read

Is there a market for a protagonist who is just a cruel bully with no redeeming or admirable traits aside from a bit of orc-grade low cunning who has no coherent grand goal besides surviving to the next day so he can bully some more.

>>25524328
Being wackier does not make a setting more interesting. I've read Mistborn, I was not enamored.

>>25524344
I never said it did.
I said the settings you named are cookie cutter.
Stop mistaking uniqueness for enjoyability. Naruto and Bleach are fun but not unique. They're more cookie cutter than most stories, and that's probably why they're popular with normies