smashed rubies editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25505716
What do you think Rhaegars final thoughts were as Roberts hammer caved in his chest?
>>25523879There is one way that Jon could independantly prove his parentage. Riding a dragon. Just like the dragonseeds during the Dance. Blood will tell. It would be a nice moment, really. I can imagine it. Jon, always in doubt about something, his future, his past, his friends, his parents, his duty, his honor. There are none left who can speak for him. As said, the people would not believe he is Rhaegar's son. Why would they? He doesnt look it, there's no proof. But when he mounts a dragon, there can be no doubt. The dragons will be his bona fide proof of descent. It would be a great contrast with the Quentyn Martell scene, where he dies, which additionally sets us up to expect failure, which tells me that a success is inevitable.
>>25523548>>25524096Will he explain?
>>25524196>asking for an explanation of a casual insult>asking twice
>>25524223I only asked once actually.
>>25524233The point is that it doesnt matterObviouslyDumb and dumber indeedGuy had you pegged
>>25524181>What do you think Rhaegars final thoughts wereREAD THE FUCKING BOOKS
>>25524181You know, might have been the woman whose name he said as he died.
>in daenerys' last chapter she is on her period, talking to herself while delirious, puking all over the place, shitting herself and covered in ant bites What is the point of that humiliation ritual?
>>25524181YEEEEEOOOOOOWCH
>>25524883Local """"blood of the dragon""" not so tough when she has no palaces and servants to attend her.
>>25524181>my only regret is not raping more underaged girlsRobert was a hero
>>25525500Robert can't exactly talk about going after underaged Westerussy.
>>25525580it was only later that Bobby B discovered the joys of ruling
Seeing as we're waiting, what do you guys think will happen in the next book? Anything cool?
>>2552560412 more chapters of Dani shitting herself
>>25524176I'm on my way to the toilet to do a massive sloppy shit and I'm going to use one of Gurm's books as toilet paper.just thought you should know.
>>25525604we know that GRRM dies in the 1st chapter
>>25525655>>25525621Nice ideas, I just start reading the series now so it's good to know the last book will be ready when I'm done
>>25525604We've got four battles that were setup in Dance. >Euron trapping the Redwyne fleet in a pincer movement (like what Stannis did to the first Iron Fleet under Victarion)But the Ironfleet attacking will be much larger in number but much smaller physcially so a very bloody batte, which combined with all the magic shit he has tied to the prows of his ships will summon krakens. Crowned at Oldtown as a new King since the hightowers are Church of Starry Wisdom cultists and Euron is the Highpriest of the cult>Stannis vs Frey's and Manderly'sFrey's alone will charge forward on the frozen lake full of whole and using a signal from a tower catapults or something will sink the lake killing most of the Frey's, Northerners will rebel and join Stannis and kill the rest, then return to Winterfell to be traitors aganist the Boltons>Selmy freed army and mercs vs slaves and mercsBattle to keep Slavers bay free of slavery while Dany is away>Young Griff and the Golden Company invasionThe start of the invasion was very off page so we'll see how it goes>Then we've got Tyrion joining the Dany camp. Dany being saved and returned to Vaes Dothrak and somehow getting most of the Dothrakki under her control like in the show.>Fallout of Jon's death, nights watch traitors vs wildling loyalists (to Jon), nightfort library will burn and the victourous wildlings will rush south to aid Stannis taking winterfell>Davos going to Skargos to find the toddler who lives most of his days in an adult wolf, so hes violent, animalistic and humps grown womens legs (based)>Sansa and all the Eyrie politcs, which WILL end with Sansa marrying Timett son of Timett as the true heir to the Eyrie through convoluted legal bullshit and some suspicious deaths of Harrold Hardyng (who will be the true beatiful knight Sansa once loved and wanted but she will possibly kill to get more power for herself and being groomed by little finger to show how lost she is before she rejects everything little finger) and Robert Arryn (might survive in secret like Aegon II to return later)>Arya will contine the asassin stuff and then leave back home for westeros>The Faceless man in Oldtown will continue seeking Bloodraven (if thats what the mission is)>Marwyn the Mage and whatever he's doing going east>Victarion marrying Dany once she returns (to surpise of literraly everyone espically Dany but not Victarion)>Brienne and Jaime will meet and deal with stoneheart>Dornish plot bullshit will continue and continue to fail>Hardhome will have some terrible magical horror occur, maybe like in the show maybe something else>Bran magic bullshit trainning and Bloodravens death (might have been a time skip central plot, 5 years trainning and 5 years of research and travel by the faceless man to find and kill him)There's a fucking lot going on
>shieldmaiden>spearwifegenius, gurm! pure genius!
Jonsachads, how are we doing?
>>25526152Still deluded, don't worry bro.
>>25525604It’s not gonna go down like people think, 99% of people will be mad and 1% of people will be validated
Finally finished ADWD, what a piece of shit book.Read The Hedge Knight too in the meantime and honestly I don't know why the show got praised. The dialogue is way worse, it's full of literal shit and fart jokes and I thought they ruined the ending. Also what was the point of Fossoway sperging out about the Targs in the show? He didn't do it in the book.
>>25526385Feast/Dance are not that bad, they're just bloated, to the point that it's one book spread across two. It should've been one book, or barring that, there should've been no divide, with Dance finishing on the major battles.>>25525604idk, but if/when it drops, spoilers will light up the internet like back in 07 when the last HP book came out. I wonder what the new Snape kills Dumbledore will be...>>25525633based>>25525621braaap
>>25526385>Also what was the point of Fossoway sperging out about the Targs in the show?Ira is based
>>25526385>Also what was the point of Fossoway sperging out about the Targs in the show?To show that without their dragons the Targs are sitting on a powder keg if they're not smart. It complements Baelor not being a fucking dumbass and understanding the Targs need to be loved, and it's obvious Egg took that lesson into account as well.
>>25526407Why? Targs had been ruling already for about 2 centuries and already married into almost every major house. I don't think any real power block in Westeros had any true incentive of kicking them off cause they knew it would split the realm again.
>>25526411>Targs had been ruling already for about 2 centuriesIf you knew anything about history you'd know this is still absolutely enough to dislike a foreign ruling family.
>>25526414They converted to the local religion and married into local families. Historically that is enough to no longer be considered some foreign oppressor class.
>>25526416Not sister fucking (or marrying fellow Valyrians) is pretty much a new thing with Daeron II and as we know that only introduced the problem of half the realm getting mad at Dornish influence at court, something a Reachman like Fossoway would be well aware of. Converting to the local religion doesn't prevent the Targs from having a sense of ethnic superiority, and we know for a fact they have that as far down as Aerys II who's saying his granddaughter "smells" Dornish.
>>25526422Before the Targs the realm was ruled by several royal families that weren't that much better. Plus the Targs did stop things like the Ironborn from reaving Westeros and got rid of barbaric rituals like the first night privilege which probably gained them some favor with the peasantry.
>>25524181Jon Connington. He was thinking of Jon Connington. He had to have been.
>>25526434None of that will prevent nobles (and Fossoway is a noble) from chafing under the rule of what they believe to be a foreign ethnicity. Aerion is not dispelling any of that perception.
>>25526434I blame Maegor, he really killed any chance at Westeros accepting the Targaryens
>>25526450Why are you defending the canonicity of something that isn't in the source material?
>>25526511Why are you defending Targaryens like a nigger faggot is the better question. Just salty they got genocided and raped because they’re your fav or what?
>>25526511Where am I doing that? I said his line makes sense even within the context of the books, not that it's canon to the books, which it isn't.
>>25526515I'm not, I was just pointing out the differences between the adaptation and the novella and I felt like that line came out of nowhere. >>25526517Let's just agree to disagree then.
>>25524181"Oh shit, i'm dead". I mean if you are willing on taking on a super athletic giant fueled on rage that you kidnapped his promised girlfriend, you better be good. I mean not Rhaegar like good. But more like Jaime Lannister two hand, or Barristan Selmy like good.
Has Daenerys done anal? This is important lore info that I need to know.
>>25526930It's stated that Daario had her every which way, so presumably yes.>>25526450If you read the history of the Qing dynasty, there was long-term butthurt over being ruled by Manchus rather than Han, especially in the South, although there were also many collaborators.So likewise, one would expect Westeros to be divided between loyalty and resentment.
>>25526930>That night Daario had her every way a man can have a woman, and she gave herself to him willingly. The last time, as the sun was coming up, she used her mouth to make him hard again, as Doreah had taught her long ago, then rode him so wildly that his wound began to bleed again, and for one sweet heartbeat she could not tell whether he was inside of her, or her inside of him. ADWD, Daenerys VIIMaybe
>>25526400There is bloat, but it's the pacing that's the really kills AFFC/ADWDs. If AGOT was paced like the last two books, you'd have to make a trilogy all by itself. Book one would climax with Bran falling and end with Ned leaving Winterfell and Dany marrying Drogo. Book two would be about the Ned's trip to King's Landing and Dany's travels around the Dothraki sea. Climaxing with the executions of Lady, Viserys, and the attempted murder of Bran. The book would end with Ned reaching King's Landing and Drogo being on the verge of death. It wouldn't be until book three that Ned gets executed and Dany Hatches her dragons.
>>25524181>6 replies>>255241910 repliesClassic /grrm/Only a taste for the shitposts
asoiaf bros...how do we respond?
>>25527124Uh...inflation?
>leftwingers on twitter freaking out because they're now aware that most rightwing people are stannis supporters because someone's making Charlie Kirk Stannis memes Fairly Odd ParentsThey ACTUALLY thought the right would support the Lannisters. fucking delusional.
>>25527127The only way to inflate metallic currency is to debase it, like the Romans did in late imperial times.>>25527055Very true. There's a stark contrast between the conciseness and steady clip of the first three books, versus the meandering mess of AFFC/ADWD. That's not to say there isn't good stuff in the latter, there is, but it's buried under the bloat and structural issues.
>>25527124Robert does build several ships with the money from the Iron Bank. also tourneys and melees and Renly's freak-offs
>>25527065I liked your post and thought it was intelligent I just couldnt respond to it as I haven't read the books
Bobby B = ChurchillTywin = EisenhowerRhaegar = HitlerAerys = BismarkWhat could have been...
>>25527173>Rhaegar>Hitler>With his First Men fetish
>>25527004>Daario had her every way a man can have a womanthe nose-rape was especially good
>>25527133>The only way to inflate metallic currency is to debase itnopeyou can also inflate it by reducing the amount of goods it can buy>bbbbut people will just melt the currencynot if you are reducing the amount of goods to a level that is less than previously, but still higher than what selling the metal will fetchbesides, the price of the melted-down metal coins is itself subject to inflation ;)>>25527124yeah this makes no senseif skilled labour = 2 or 3 gold dragons, then we know that 1 dragon is roughly equivalent to late medieval £1a good horse will range from £5 for a palfrey to £20-30 for a typical warhorse to as high as £100 for the best thoroughbred warhorse money can buyand a suit of good armour would cost about that much as well>40,000 gold dragonsis an insane amount of money that approaches the entirety of a medieval nation's annual tax revenue. even if we make the excuse that "oh this is Westeros, it's a whole continent", it would realistically be equal to anywhere from 50-100% of Dorne's annual tax revenue(basing on late medieval English records where ~2 million population yielded a standing army of about 20,000 men and ~£40,000 in taxes)>6 million dragonsis also pretty insane, easily 5x the tax revenue of Westeros
>>25524191Mounting a dragon is not necessarily proof of being Rhaegar's son. Ned could have banged a dragonseed.
>>25527209>nope>you can also inflate it by reducing the amount of goods it can buyHow would you do that exactly? All I can think of is a sort of inverted price controls, where you use the price floor to arbitrarily raise prices. But that would require a bit more centralized control than one would expect in Westeros.Again, inflation works with fiat, because each note has value assigned to it arbitrarily, which lets you skim off and siphon that value as a subtle form of taxation (aka what the US has done for 50+ years). But with metallic currencies, the value is inherent to the coin. So the only way to inflate that is to debase the coinage, ie mix base metals in and reduce the actual gold/silver amount, which lets you skim off value in an analogous manner.
If you think Jon is coming back you are not tuned in to the frequency of Asoiaf, you don’t understand George and you never learn
>>25527254>How would you do that exactly? All I can think of is a sort of inverted price controls, where you use the price floor to arbitrarily raise pricesprice ceilings aka caps aka controlswe do it all the time, and boy was it so popular in antiquity, when people were even more ignorant about such economic effects than today>oh dear, bread is getting more expensive, it has become 3 loaves a drachm instead of 5 loaves, there is talk of poor harvests but I'm sure it must be profiteering bakers and J*ws! thank Pharoah / Baal / Jupiter the King knows of this, and he will surely Take Steps to save us!meanwhile, in court:>my Royal Advisers, Breadbasket Region has reported a terrible harvest, and just this morning a petitioner told me that bread has risen to 3 loaves a drachm, even 2. how shall I rule?>O Great King, clearly you must order that bread shall cost no more than 4 loaves a drachm, this will certainly bring relief to your loyal citizens>yes yes that makes senseremember there are always two sides to the transaction, what you buy and how much you paid for it. if you can't fiddle one, fiddle the other.and there are myriad other ways for authorities to steal from one side or the other: import duty, license fees, stamp duty, tax reliefs, special taxes, windfall taxes, zoning regulations, price-controls of key inputs (cough minimum wage cough), sales quotas, raw material rations, protected-origin designations, and the ever-popular regulatory, training, and certification requirements with their unstated accompanying "processing" and "administrative" feesin business, there is a theory called the Value Chain, detailing all the possible areas that businesses can add customer value, or charge money, or save money. every government hires the best brains in the country to look at every point of the value chain to figure out how to control it and tax it, preferably discreetly.
>>25527440Interesting...thanks for the lesson nta
>>25527214What dragonseeds were even alive at that point? When did Ned ever meet one?
>>25527704I meant dragonseed in the sense that some Targ in the last couple generations boned a random whore and then Ned boned their daughter. But honestly now that I say this, that sequence of events is probably more contrived than the baby that Ned brought up from the south after his sister died being his sister's baby by Rhaegar. If Jon rides a dragon there's really only one possibility for everyone in Westeros, yeah.
>>25527704>What dragonseeds were even alive at that point?I think Brown Ben Plumm might stand a chancenot that I'D try it if it were me
>>25527440yes, but price ceilings cause shortages, because they prevent prices from tracking with inflation, with the difference creating costs that bite into suppliers, who then scale down their overhead, thus the shortages.Is this what you meant by "reducing goods"? Using price ceilings to create shortages is a viable strategy, if that's what you want (usually you don't), but it's not the same thing as inflation.
>>25527989oh sorry, I misread your post here >>25527254I now understand what you meant by>inverted price controls, where you use the price floor to arbitrarily raise pricesyes, my original post was that you can inflate a currency, even if you cannot simply mint a large number of coins and you cannot use fractional banking to create a much larger money supply than the number of coins in circulation, by arbitrarily* setting your own prices*and one of the synonyms for "arbitrarily" is, of course, "by fiat">But that would require a bit more centralized control than one would expect in Westerosthe high market inefficiency of a medieval economy will helpcentralised control is much harder to throw off when the private sector has neither the easy communications nor the transport we have today that enables near-instantaneous arbitrage>price ceilings cause shortagesTL;DR yes, but people don't realise that>Is this what you meant by "reducing goods"? Using price ceilingsI misread your post; I thought you were asking how price caps create shortages>the difference creating costs that bite into suppliers, who then scale down their overheador more likely, reduce production capacity (or go bankrupt), thus naturally bringing down the supply>it's not the same thing as inflationno, it's not; it is a cause of inflation, but the question I was addressing was how to debase a metal currencyanyway, monetary policy is overrated. fiscal policy is much more powerful. Westerosi lords can create inflation easily by calling the banners, conscripting men who should be out farming and making stuff and maintaining infrastructure, and ordering them to build public works of dubious value.
So much better than the canon rectangular Essos
>>25528139>dude what if I made essos look like a bootleg eurasiaHate it
>>25528114That helps clear it up, thanks.My issue is that you're using the term "inflation" rather loosely to describe various forms of market manipulation. The definition is more narrow -- it's when you skim value off of all monetary units in circulation, either by printing fiat money or debasing coinage, the latter of which replaces silver/gold content with base metals.
Do you think the shadowlands were always like that or was it originally normal before some magic cataclysm turned it into a shadowy hellscape
>>25528224I like the theory that the Long Night was never truly ended, and whatever it really was, it's -still- happening over there by Asshai, waiting for someone to break its containment.The cult of R'hllor might be aware of this truth and is working under the Lord of Light to prevent that from happening.
>>25528224Its original name of the shadowlands was THE WOUND, which brings to mind a magical event that scarred and blighted the landscape. I think George had Kate Elliott’s crown of stars in mind when coming up with a lot of the Asshai stuff. In that series there was a race of shadow elves called the asshioi (they wore masks) who warred with “the seven sorcerers” and the “horse people”. The 7 sorcerers were magic users from 7 different tribes of men. They used obsidian to see across vast distances. They allied together to weave a cataclysmic spell that destroyed the asshioi homeland and cast most of their race out of our realm of reality leaving behind a blighted region called THE WOUND, and a small few asshioi who were away from their homeland when the cataclysm happened. These survivors later mated with some humans to create magical bloodlines. So if George is truly taking inspiration from crown of stars and it’s not parallel thinking coincidence, here what I think happened; the original Asshai were an elven race (maybe empire of the dawn OG white haired people) who were destroyed by the sorcerers and wise men from seven tribes of men who inspired the faith of the seven and the proto Dothraki horse people whom Huzhor amai / azor ahai became the leader of
>>25528296I think this might be George flling the edges of the world with references, no different than the Lovecraft references, or the Muppets. In which case, Asshai and the areas of Essos east of Qarth and Meerem really are just neat, interesting fluff and aren't particularly important in any way to the main story
>>25528139Is the official map for Essos NOT a bootleg eurasia in your mind?
>>25528390Nvm I see what you meant now
>>25528143
>>25526434The Westerosi getting used to the economic benefits of Targaryen unity would have prevented rebellions but GRRM doesn't know economics and doesn't get into it with the books.
>>25528180>you're using the term "inflation" rather loosely to describe various forms of market manipulationstrictly speaking, inflation is what results from the manipulation, not the act itself, nor even its main objectives, oftentimesthis includes>either by printing fiat money or debasing coinageAND, I wanted to point out, the other methods I mentionedbecause these are all real ways governments use to manage inflation, and because the methods you mention, printing money and debasing coinage, only screws with one aspect of the equation and are both tools of monetary policy; I wanted to point out the other tools used to manage inflation, and by screwing with the other side of the equation, which I find is always ignored(because goldbug conspiracy theories inflated the monetary angle massively out of proportion with the rest)
>>25528139>the Doom of Valyria is that meme about the Middle East Solution>Asshai is probably full of homicidal emus and roos>beyond the Sunset Sea is probably the undiscovered continent of BurgeryosI love it
>>25528538>but GRRM doesn't know economics and doesn't get into it with the books.I honestly wish the Aragon tax policy meme was real
>>25528738it would be boring and controversial, with a lot of bitter pills for this generation of lefty socialists to swallow
>>25528538I have serious doubts about a massive war, Robert's rebellion, that happened because a prince kidnapped a powerful lord's promized wife, Lyanna, and a king harshly punishing a few powerful lords (Ned Stark's father and brother). That's fairy tale level. In reality, wars happened because of territorial conquest, or an economic crisis, needing a regime change. Not some heartbreak (poor Robert), and harsh punishment.
>>25529151Midwit
>>25529151>kidnap and rape a duke's daughter>kill the duke and his heir>demand the death of the duke's other son>demand the death of another dukeThat's more than enough cause to rebel.
>>25529218>>25529248nta but are asoiaf fans dumber than i thought? have they never read a lick of history? history is really interesting and elucidating on a lot of fantasy myths
>>25529470nobody who uses the word "elucidating" in casual conversation (ungrammatically as well) has an opinion worth acknowledging
>>25529470You're definitely the dumbest one itt
>>25525604Westeros:Cersei escapes to Casterly RockStannis takes the NorthBaelish takes the RiverlandsFaegon takes the Stormlands, Crownlands, and DorneFaegon marries Margaery while Arriane and the Sand Snakes conspire against herFaegon and Baelish join forces against StannisBaelish crowns Sansa Queen of the North to instill a rebellion against StannisEuron sacks the Reach while doing comically evil shitThe Others attack Shadow Tower and break through the wallJon is resurrected by BloodravenMelisandre and Shireen flee to WinterfellJaime escapes from Stoneheart through some bullshit he pullsEssos:Daenerys leads the Dothraki east to Asshai, following Quaithe's adviceArya is sent to Pentos and kills IllyrioYunkai is defeated but Volantis triumphs over MeereenTyrion and Victarion steal two of Daenerys's dragons and make their way back to WesterosEuron appears in Daenerys's dreams and slowly drives her insane
GRRM will never complete the last novelsit is understood that Ty Franck will complete themthey'll eventually be published, but not while GRRM still breathes, shortly after GRRM diesthey'll wait a decade or so, depending on audience reaction, before admitting that generative AI is being used extensively to fill in the gaps around GRRM's notesFranck is just polishing the AI turd
feels like we haven't gotten an actual update on Winds from George himself in like 2 years
>the more serious, less attractive, generally darker, sister, has a sword called Dark SisterBraavos, George
>>25529982>less attractiveIs she? I thought she was just less fun to be around.
>>25530005Yeah, "sensual" and "more voluptuous" does not sound less attractive, nor does she sound cold and frigid like she's often portrayed as.
>>25529982>>25530005real niggas been knew visenya was bad afrhaenys is mid
>>25529982>yandere loli sis>tsundere loli sisdecisions, decisions>>25530010>nor does she sound cold and frigid like she's often portrayed asthe people who portrayed her as such have never known the passion of a, well, passionate woman
>>25529248Sure Ned and Robert would rebel, but nobody would follow them. Why would they? Because it's unfair? No powerful lords, in a kingdom that is economically profitable, would risk stability because the northern stark family got liquidated, and the lord of storm's end got his girlfriend kidnapped by the prince. That's the kind of thing that could eventually lead to a king's assassination, or poisoning, or a local war, but not a full scale war.
>>25530053Did you stop paying attention in your medieval history classes when they discussed England from 1200-1300 or did you just never take medieval history classes at all?
Gurm being someone who likes to reuse and recycle discarded or unworkable plotlines, I posit that Davos is Ned Stark, from an unused initial idea where Ned managed to escape King's Landing with his life, and goes to Stannis to inform him of everything, and ends up as Stannis' hand on Dragonstone, eventually convincing him to drop his political war in the south and go north to fight against the Others
>>25530073Interesting idea, but I don't think Ned was ever planned to survive. I've never seen any early plot sketch that had that occur, I think his death was decided more or less at the same moment he was created as Brans dad (since Bran was the very first character GRRM thought of in ASOAIF).Neds story begins with him cutting someones head off, and it ends with his head being cut off
>>25529982left to right: Jon S., Dany T., Aegon B.
>>25530298You think Jon's getting Rhaegal and Dark Sister while fAegon gets Viserion and Blackfyre?
>>25530299100%. And FAegon and Viserion are gonna die tragically which sucks because Viserion is the cutest dragon
>>25530307Hmm, I can see that. Since the show cut the Horn of Joramun which is what the Others are actually going to use to bring down the Wall, they might have transferred Viserion's death from Targaryen infighting to getting revived as a wight by the Night King. Personally I'm of the opinion fAegon's gonna be dead before Daenerys makes it to Westeros and Viserion is likely going to be stolen by Euron.
>>25528561yes, there are many ways to control or respond to inflation, but these are distinct from inflation proper. this seems to be a manner of semantics. interesting points nonetheless>>25528139pretty good, but there are errors in the map, like Lorath & other Essos cities in the wrong place, Great Moraq being a peninsula instead of a large island, and so on. I also imagine Sothoryos to extend further south.My favorite extended map is as follows:https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F551f2n6dylda1.jpg(pardon me for linking to plebbit, but it's well past the 10mb limit)I don't agree with everything here, but it's still the best, most imaginative effort I've seen, and would borrow heavily from it if I made my own version.>>25530317would be funny if the Horn of Joramun was the cracked horn found on the Fist of the First Men, as some have speculated.
>>25530449The map itself is fine but wtf are these names.>mountain of doom>mountains of insanity>poisoned peaks
>>25530460tryhard edginess, I'd presume. tbf the entire setting is edgy, although I agree it's a bit cartoonish.One thing I like is how it solves the problem of the canon map feeling artificial, by folding it into a larger, more natural geography.also>(pardon me for linking to plebbit, but it's well past the 10mb limit)I meant the 4mb limit, the map is around 10mb, bit of a glitch there.
>>25530449Considering the Others attacked the Fist of the First Men not long after it was blown...
>>25528386Wrong actually shrike theory is CENTRAL to ASOAIF. I'm joking of course but it is deeply connected to ironborn history pre-colonisation of westeros
Towers still argue this
>>25527004>>25526999this means only the ways dany knows thomaybe she don't even knows about anal being a thing
I believe it.
>>25530944She got taught by a literal whore how to give a blowjob and rode Drogo's dick in public.You think she doesn't know about anal?
>>25530951That's cool and all but why?90% of these "character x is secretly character y" or "character x is secretly the sibling/descendant/ancestor of character y" have zero bearing on the narrative direction of the story or change anything.
>>25531088>She got taught by a literal whorewho was apparently Miss Whore runner-up from the city of Whoresville
>>25531146she will be the only remaining claimant to Last Hearth after the last Umbers gets shoah'd in Winterfell
>>25530951Is this reddit or whatDumb as fuck wishful thinking based entirely on the absence of a single contractionUtter retardation
I have invented so many fan theories in my head of Jon marrying/getting with Dany that if they don't whenever that fat fuck finally releases the books I will be genuinely angry.
>>25531806>that if they don't whenever that fat fuck finally releases the books I will be genuinely angry.Worried about this for basically every theory I haveI feel like the book cannot possibly live up to the hype because everyone has exhausted every theory at this point in the 15 year interim
>>25531806>I will be genuinely angry.touch grass
>>25531808Yeah, and I bet you the pace of the book will be so plodding that we'll say "that's it?" after all the crazy theories. If Dany arrives in Westeros before the very last chapter I will be genuinely surprised. Hell, she'll probably only actually leave for Westeros in the last chapter, then waste half of ADOS in Volantis.
Just saw there are people who genuinely believes the battle of the bastards is a show thing and not going to happen in the books lolI know people hate the show but I feel like denying the show obviously got some ideas straight from martin himself is just dumb martin sets up ramsay as a literal "evil jon" he's what cat feared jon would become likewe see jon slowly growing to hate ramsay through his adwd chapters after learning what he's done to innocent folks and fAryaeven the way jon is going to kill ramsay is strongly foreshadowed with the whole "he's sword to take my heart out" bit
>>25532203People had been theorizing for years about who would ride Dany's other dragons and, I believe, no one ever guessed Vyserion becoming Blue Eyes White Dragon. That feels a lot like a GRRM level twist that D&D wouldn't be clever enough to think of, but a lot of people REALLY dislike it and think it's show only bullshit
>>25532203in the books there is no logical reason for Roose to not kill or Bolt-on skinchange into Ramsay
>>25532226I'm sure he would have if Fat Walda had popped out a boy who then grew up healthy past the five year timeskip.
>>25532203I think the people that are denying that the books are going to generally follow the broad strokes of the show are going to be in for a world of disappointment, beyond fAegon probably being subsumed into Jon when it comes to the Targaryen legitimacy struggle and Cersei when it comes to being Dany's final opponent in King's Landing.
>>25532226he knows the northerners will eventually turn on them for the red wedding and he's using ramsay for whatever plan he have to counter that, that's why he haven't killed him yet
>>25530707Maesters are the only people with actual brains in all of Westeros. I support their conspiracy to wrangle the Tard-garyens.
>>25532203Dude. Jon is fucking literally dead
>>25530707Scoreboard fuck nigga
>>25532603And he will be coming back as he did in the show...
>>25531806>Jon marrying/getting with Danyleast interesting jon ship
>>25532671where's jon x lady stoneheart
>>25532671>jon/satinReddit tier. Jonsa is also foidcoded. Jon/Val and Jon/Melisandre are the only based pairings on that ranking besides Jon/Dany.
So Willem Darry definitely molested Daenerys right?
>>25532671hodling my jon/satin coin to sell the day Winds comes out and reveals Satin was a girl the whole time, torpedoing the ship
>>25532714No, she's sex-crazy because she was raped by a 30 year old then womanhandled by a whore so that she could stop that guy from raping her. If she was molested by anyone when she was a child it was Viserys.
>>25532722Doesn't he grow a beard?
>>25532723>t.
>>25532756Acknowledging that having sex with a bunch of people after being molested and raped as a child is a bad response is pretty much the opposite of a purple hair, trust me. Whether Martin is based or not is if he thinks it's liberating but considering her attraction to someone like Daario I think he might be based.
Rare female Targ who wasn't a whore.
>>25532762You're forgetting the OG non-whore Targaryen.
>>25532357>>25532604>
>>25532758What about all the people who haven't been molested and raped as a child yet still become complete whores? It's a fat cope to excuse promiscuity.
>>25532781Being a whore because you live in a society that has unfortunately glorified being a whore is different from becoming a whore because you were broken from rape as a child.
>>25532785Yas preach xister
K E K A R O O
Finished The Sworn Sword and I feel like an even bigger autist than Dunk.Why was he acting so butthurt over the Webber lady getting married and why did she act guilty over it? They had no chemistry or romantic connection in any scene prior to that.
>>25531226Greatjon is still a captive at the Twins.
>>25526416>Historically that is enough to no longer be considered some foreign oppressor class.ASOIAF isn't real history, and the noble houses of Westeros have been around for many thousands of years. It makes sense that after flimsy two centuries Targariens are still seen as foreigners.
>>25533249Baratheons aren't, and they're even younger than the targs.
So the Lannisters bought Brightroar 100 before the Doom of Valyria, for enough gold to buy an army. Is that not more or less the same amount to buy a sword "today"? Valyrian steel swords and dragon eggs are more or less of equal worth, aren't they? Wouldn't they still be prohibitively expensive during Valyria's heyday, especially to non-Valyrians, but nowhere near the value they hold in the present day?Now that I'm thinking about this, when did the prophecy about Casterly Rock gold being the death of Valyria appear? Could
>>25533162>couldnt tellSad
>>25533394
so what's the consensus on who killed little walder ?
>>25533253Baratheons quickly intermarried with Durrandons, one of the OG Great Houses, and basically inherited their legacy and even looks. Targshits, on the other hand, insisted on being filthy incestuous aliens and flaunting their foreignness.
The more I read of ASOIAF, the more puzzled I become at some of the show changes. They had Jaime kill his cousins, but in the books kinslaying brings immediate and serious consequences. How could they skip such a cool lore point? The possibility of one of the miller's wife's children being Theon's, the relation of Lord Karstark to Robb... completely ignored.
>>25533470The maesters.
How would the story have changed if there was a stark incest plot instead of a lannister one?
>>25533790It was originally going to involve a Jon/Arya romance
>>25533704>kinslaying brings immediate and serious consequencesEuron Daemon and bloodraven beg to differ
>>25533875>EuronWill die horribly.>DaemonDied horribly.>bloodravenWatched his House crumble after getting infused with a tree, might also outright have turned evil.
> Can it be? They took my sword hand. Was that all I was, a sword hand? Gods be good, is it true?I love you, Jaime
>>25533884>died horribly More like died in a cool glorified epic anime duel where he styles on his opp
>>25533950No, he basically committed suicide by Vhagar. Then his wife died horribly, his son helped usher in the end of dragons and his grandson was the worst king to sit on the Iron Throne. The entire Dance proves that anon's point about kinslaying.
>>25533973Old gods: he is a kinslayer and must be punished but he’s so le cool and edgy…give him an epic death and just punish his kids instead
>>25532811Do NOT admit women…They’d all take up the astrology link…
Is Bran actually powerful or useless? He did literally nothing in the season finale.
>>25534079He lived to the end, isn't that something major in this universe?
>Vargo "Handchopper" Hoat, Handsbane, Chopper of Hands and Lord of Hand Chops, Chopper of Wrists and Father of Chopped Hands, Warden of the Hand Chops and Heir to the Chopped Hands>this is the character who chops off Jaime's Hand in the books and I didn't see it coming
how is their romance going to play in the books ?
>>25534310Val cucks Dany
>>25534162I think hes rather more known for chopping feet
>>25534079Bran died in the cave, the Three-Eyed Raven took over his body
>>25534406Targfag desperate for any win cope
>>25534422
>umm AKSHUALLY the others aren't the ones raising zombies
Anyone here sympathetic to the White Walkers and Others?
>>25534713no, and showfags are gay for trying to make the invaders le oppressed immigrants just looking for a new home
>>25534718I didn't know showfags were doing that. But I wonder if perhaps the Children & First Men v. The Others reflects a theme of ecoterrorism. Shaping nature to man's will by necessarily disturbing the environment and all that.
>>25525655Why would you put this out into the universe?
>>25534726>I didn't know showfags were doing thatnow I feel guilty for exposing you to infohazard>the Children & First Men v. The Others reflects a theme of ecoterrorism. Shaping nature to man's will by necessarily disturbing the environment and all thatto first answer this question, one has to answer the question of whether any of the Children, First Men, or Others are considered "the environment", and whether any are considered "man"in my opinion, they're all sapient, so they're all "man", not "the environment"next, to answer whether this is ecoterrorism, one has to look at the definition of ecoterrorism. Wikipedia gives: >the use of illegal violence, sabotage, or threats against property or people to force changes in environmental policy or stop actions that harm natureother than the destruction of weirwoods simply for it's own sake, none of these people are altering the natural environment of Westeros, so noyou probably meant "environmental warfare", not ecoterrorism:>the deliberate destruction, damage, or modification of natural systems and ecosystems to harm an enemy during an armed conflictand yes, from the very 1st chapter of the very 1st book, we know that the Others use the environment to defeat their enemies.
>>25525762Fuck this is getting me so hyped. We didn't even touch on Lord Bronn of the Blackwater and Old Valyria!
>>25527055Have you tried the Boiled Leather or A Ball with Beasts read? It combines AFFC & ADWD into one chronological volume. When I re-read the series a few years ago, this combined approach ended up being my favorite part of the story yet.
So, uh, Darkstar. What's up with that, am I right?
>>25534737Thank you for your response. I meant ecoterrorism in the sense of environmental destruction, disturbing what was once an undisturbed ecosphere, for the benefit of an encroacher. Assuming the Others are more ancient than the Children, this tension could perhaps exist. On the other hand, the Others could also be an unintended consequence of the Children disturbing the environment. I'm not committed to the theory by any means, but I'm interested to see if it has any legs.
>>25534751yeah as I said, what the Others are doing is not ecoterrorism, it's environmental warfarethere's no melting ice caps threatening the Others' way of life; the Others are simply trying to invade Westeros for conventional and traditional reasons: we want your lands for our lebensraumgenerally, there's no climate change in Westeros EXCEPT, as I said, for the weirwood deforestationso if anything, it's the Children, not the Others, who have the motive, means, AND casus belli for ecoterrorism. but so far it seems* they chose not to, so far as we know**another popular fan theory is that the Others were invented by the Children in order to wage war on the men who killed them, destroyed their weirwoods, and drove them undergroundessentially making the Others a sentient biological weapon. kinda like if we bred rabid attack bats and released them in enemy territorythis WOULD make the Children ecoterrorists conducting war by means of environmental warfareit would also be an example of "the monster turned on its creator"
>>25534769My apologies, I was unclear. The word I was searching for is ecocide. I'm contemplating whether an act of ecocide could be the Children disturbing a previously untouched environment, thereby either disturbing the preexisting Others or indirectly creating them as a pestilential type of threat which exacerbates the alteration/death of disturbed environments.
>>25534162>character is warlord hailing from goat-worshipping city of Qohor>let's name him War GoatBRAVO GEORGE
Will there be an Arya vs. Brienne fight in the books?
LOL he still thinks there will be more books
>>25536235After GRRM's death Linda and Elio will just put everything he's ever written up on his blog. Thousands of unorganized pages of Winds and Spring material for fans to spend years sifting through like the Epstein files
>>25536235Trust the plan, ADOS will come out and Jon will become king, I dreamt it
>>25536235Season 8 is the official ending since the books will never be finished, and you know what? I’m fine with that
grrm hates predictable fiction and that's what the two remaining books became in his mind once he sat down with d & d back in 2013 to tell them all the major beats of the story
The show is so separated from the books its ridiculous to take any cues from it
>>25536235Winds WILL come out, even if George has to die for it to happen. Elio has confirmed it. Dream is likely not gonna happen unless Daniel Abraham, who knows the ending, can be convinced
>>25536276The broad, broad strokes are straight from GRRM, like Jon and Dany ending up meeting and becoming an item and Bran as king.
>>25536278>Daniel Abraham, who knows the ending, can be convincedWe all know the ending, it's the show's. Daenerys kills Griff, Jon kills Daenerys, Bran uses his magic to trap and kill Littlefinger and he also becomes king, Jon ends up leaving beyond the wall, the iron throne gets melted down. Sansa and Arya will likely be more irrelevant than in the show, but overall the story will play out the same. Those are the canon story beats.
>>25526385Targshits PR were at the time on free fall after the Dance and the Blackfyres. The common, nobles and the rest of westeros were fucking PISSED off about them. Its pretty good damn addition
>>25536371The only conflict that we see in the actual story is people secretly supporting the blackfyres and others unhappy that the targs aren't bitch slapping the irontards hard enoughthere is no general anti-targaryen sentiment we actually see in the D&E books
>>25526411Again. They lost their nukes.
>>25536377irrelevant, we never once see any real nationalism from any of the regions in westeros except for dorne who are the magical brown bisexuals of the setting
>>25536382>we never once see any real nationalism from any of the regions in westeros except for dorneand the North, the Reach, and the Iron Islands
>>25536405they are just culturally different from the rest, they never really show any real nationalismthey didn't try to break off until after the targs died
>>25536409>they never really show any real nationalismDid you actually read the part of AGOT where Robb is crowned king or what. I feel you're either baiting us or being painfully obtuse.
>>25536451You'd appear less retarded if you actually read the entire post you're replying to.>they didn't try to break off until after the targs died
>>25536457Yes, they didn't try to break off until after the Targs died because they would be in a bad position to do so and the Starks honor their oaths, whatever else their issues are, but that sentiment of nationalism was simmering beneath the surface just as much then as it is for the Iron Islands, Dorne and probably the other kingdoms. This is made blatant in the chapter where Robb is named king; the lords are professing obvious nationalistic viewpoints and are willing to name an untested boy their monarch just to go back to how the North used to be. Robb's fucking crown is based off the old Winter King crown. Scotland has been in the UK longer than Westeros was ruled by the Targs and you're not going to sit here and tell me there's just cultural differences between it and England.
>>25536466I'm not gonna get into this argument with you because the worldbuilding in the ASOIAF universe is way too weak to properly analyze.Remember that the north is such a retarded place that a significant percentage of the male population dies every winter and everyone is cool with that. My simple position is that they are not shown to actually want to break off while the targs were in charge. Neither did any other region except Dorne. This pseudo-ethnic resentment towards the Targs might make sense in your headcanon, but George has not deemed it relevant enough to actually show it in the books.
>>25536480>"Joffrey the Illborn," one of the Cerwyn knights growled. "Small wonder he's faithless, with the Kingslayer for a father.">"Aye," said another, "the gods hate incest. Look how they brought down the Targaryens."Please read the books.
>>25536494Several characters also make references to the doom of valyria several times, that isn't actual proof of racial hatred towards valyrians, just ad-hoc rationalizations of why they fell the quote you provided is weak
>>25536496It is direct proof of simmering resentment towards the cultural practices of the ruling family regardless of the whole Doctrine of Exceptionalism thing. Regardless this entire argument is about lingering nationalism in the seven kingdoms, of which there is ample proof. It was there when the Targs were in charge, to deny otherwise is baffling.
>>25536513>It was there when the Targs were in chargeCool. Except not really in the books. People in the d&e stories were shown to be more zealous about which Targ bastards they wanted on the throne rather than removing the targs entirely from the throne.But whatever, we'll be here all day at this rate. I'll end it here. You can have the last word if you want it.
The best targ bastard is Aegor Rivers.
Before the King Bran reveal, did you guys ever think the series would end with a Targaryen restoration?
>>25536603I always thought it would end with balkanization, the bitterness between the Westerosi kingdoms goes so deep at this point that I figured the natural and bittersweet end point would be a breaking apart.
Stop bringing up bullshit from the showThe show was shit and its not canon as we all know
Okay, so the vision in the HotD seems clear to me for the most part.>Then phantoms shivered through the murk, images in indigo. Viserys screamed as the molten gold ran down his cheeks and filled his mouth. A tall lord with copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman's name. . . . mother of dragons, daughter of deathThe three listed deaths are deaths in her family that put her in her current situation, including birthing dragons: Viserys, Rhaego and Rhaegar.>Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . .Seems obvious this third part is her husbands. Her silver is Drogo, the man attatched to the ship is probably Hizdahr (likely killed by Victarian) and it's patently obvious to everyone in this thread who the blue rose from a wall of ice is. Bride of fire makes it more obvious to me, because she can really only be a bride of FIRE to one man (if we're discounting fAegon, but he doesn't match a blue rose and appears next). However, then there's>Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd. From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire. . . . mother of dragons, slayer of liesMost certainly her. The blue-eyed king is almost certainly Stannis, the clothed dragon is definitely fAegon, but who is the stone beast? This is the only part of the prophecy I don't get. Euron? Jon Connington? The maesters?
>>25536629*most certainly her enemies/rivals
>>25536610IT'S THE ONLY ENDING WE'LL EVER GET!
>>25536629tyrion = gargoylegargoyles = stone beastsit is known
>>25536645Could work, but what's the burning tower and shadow fire then?
>>25536629Check back through previous threads, and there's a strikingly different interpretation, and that's the story of Azor Ahai (Bladeheart).>A tall lord with copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him.his conquests>Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman's name...executed by the singers/CotF, the woman's name being Nissa Nissa>Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow.Otherized Azor Ahai, raised from death by ice magic.You're inclined to interpret these as 1. a might-have-been for her unborn son, 2. Rhaegar's death, the woman being Lyanna, and 3. Stannis. But GRRM can be tricky at times, and I believe it's really an encrypted reveal of Azor Ahai, hidden in plain sight.>>25534769>another popular fan theory is that the Others were invented by the Children in order to wage war on the men who killed them, destroyed their weirwoods, and drove them underground>essentially making the Others a sentient biological weapon. kinda like if we bred rabid attack bats and released them in enemy territorythis is what I subscribe to, that the Others are a fork in the Weirnet, which got out of control.>>25534079it's hinted that Bran has even greater potential than the 3-eyed crow, it just hasn't been unlocked yet.>>25530558that's a good point!
>>25536629>A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadlyThis is either Victarion or Aeron or even Euron>A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of iceReferencing the Others' invasion and eventual destruction of the Wall>From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fireWhatever the fuck Marwyn is up to
>>25536725>Referencing the Others' invasion and eventual destruction of the WallI'm guessing you think Dany is going to fall in love with an Other then considering the immediate following words are "and fills the air with sweetness?" I've seen some wild interpretations of these visions but never anybody arguing the blue rose isn't Jon besides delusional N+A=J theorists.
>>25536609>balkanizationThe riverlands wouldn't survive this.
>>25536730>you think Dany is going to fall in love with an Other then considering the immediate following words are "and fills the air with sweetness?"NoI believe it's a red herringThe dreams don't distinguish between good and evil from the reader's POV. What looks good in dreams doesn't map automatically to heroic and just and good, that is. Nor vice versa; what looks bad and horrible doesn't mean the bad guys win.
rewatching the showi think im glad with martin keeping the reveal of Olenna tyrell was the one who poisoned jofrey and she died last, and all her family died before her. "GROWING STRONG"Later then the family with the rose, It loses all its petals in a great gust of wind, and the last rose falls slowly until the entire family dies out.
>>25536278>Elio has confirmed it.Where? Also, the spic doesn't know shit, he isn't that close with Gurm.
>>25536725>>25536629>From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fireI think it's the destruction of Kingslanding by Mad Dany. There are only two dragons we know of who breathe black/shadow fire: Balerion and Drogon. Balerion is obviously out of the picture on the account of being dead, but Drogon hatched from a "stone egg", hence the stone dragon.
>>25536939It said>beastNot dragon, and>shadow firemight well be metaphoricalAnd although King's Landing has several towers of note, by far the most notable tower is the Citadel
>>25536829In his interview a year ago with RedTeamReview
I reread the series and am now convinced tyrion is aerys son.. The amount of times he brings up dragons in his chapters unprompted is very obvious
>>25537155it's not as if Tyrion was a dragon nerd since he was a kid or anything like that, no sir
>grrm went to the emmys just to not get oneKWAB
>>25537182no shit. or do you think grrm made that part of his character for no reason whatsoever
>>25537227then I must be the great-great-great-great-great-grandson of Admiral Nelson, I'm such a raging naval warship autist
>>25536251I don't know too much about Linda and Elio outside of their general information-keeping, but they strike me as grifty
>>25537155how would you then explain the death of Lady Joanna, for which Tywin has bore a lifelong grudge against his own son? how do you explain Gemma, Tywin's sister, saying that Tyrion is in fact his father's truest son?
>>25537242Aerys raped Joanna. She is still tyrions mother. Gemma doesn't know anything and is not a relevant character.
>>25537215it pains me a little to know how enchanted he is with the Hollywood life. on one hand, it's certainly earned and he deserves to bask in his glory and success. but on the other hand, it seems like he's more fulfilled by public adulation than by completing the work that he committed his life to before any of that was a guarantee
>>25537249"liberties" covers a lot of ground, especially for a man as stony, conservative, and prickly as Tywin. there are degrees to humiliation. Joffrey took "liberties" in squeezing Sansa's breast while being betrothed to Margaery, but he didn't rape herI think it's an interesting theory and I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd just as equally caution you to not commit to it out of egoI think another thing that weakens support for it is that Tyrion himself says "I believe I am you writ small" just before finishing him off. obviously those are Tyrion's words and he could be wrong, but they come from a semi-omniscient third-person narrative and are written with authorial intention. could be a red herring, but could also mean what it says
>>25537256I don't think the rape happened during the bedding, I think it just is a clue to how unhinged aerys was and how he still wanted joanna
>>25537259I'd say Aerys wanted to make Tywin know his place more than wanting Joanna out of mere attraction. when do you think the rape would have occurred? perhaps you can strengthen your theory if the chronology holds up
How did George know the word "cunny" in the 90s? Is he a... you know...
>>25537269this is like asking how people knew the word "goon" in the 1880s. were they all ferocious masturbators?
>>25537264Joanna was in Kings Landing for Aerys' tourney in 272, Tyrion was born in 273.
>>25537273do we know for certain that she was there? any other details from the tourney other than two people being in the same place at the same time, with both being central figures of their great houses and traveling everywhere with enormous retinues?
>>25537269wait til you hear about Gropecunt Lane...
>>25536783She and Jon are gonna bone bruh, the showrunners were also told that the entire series is leading to their meeting and relationship.
>>25537256Tywin’s sister also says Tyrion resembles him the most of all his children, which of course is the tragic irony: Tywin and Tyrion could’ve been really close if they weren’t blinded by mutual resentment and knee jerk hostility. They shared the same blood and personality traits, but refused to see it and ultimately destroyed each other instead. The Joanna/Aerys schizo theory, on the other hand, is just a twist for twist’s sake that people keep trotting out to pretend they “solved” a riddle that isn’t even there.
>>25537278>do we know for certain that she was there?NTA but yes, because Aerys asked her if nursing Jaime and Cersei ruined her boobs and Tywin resigned as Hand as a result. I don't believe the theory, I should note. It's far too convenient and it muddles the whole secret Targ thing of Jon if forty secret Targs are running around. It also completely ruins the tragedy of his relationship with Tywin.
Barristan and Prime Jaime replace Oswell and Gerold at the ToJ. Do Ned and Howland survive?
KNIGHT OF THE LAUGHING TREE WAS KINO AS FUCKMFW I REALIZED WHAT WAS GOING ON
>>25537409wasn't it basically Lyanna delivering a can of whoop ass after standing up for Howland? that's probably why Rhaegar fell in love with her
>>25537428Exactly
bros... it's unironically been 15 years...
>>25536629>From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire. . .Things this remind me of:>Shadow Tower>Burning of Winterfell, Bran sees a dragon there>Shireen Baratheon, perhaps Shireen sacrifice to revive Jon Snow?>Jon Snow in general. Tower of Joy, secret Dragon, Crypts of Winterfell>>25536725>A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of iceI mean blue roses are associated with Lyanna and Ygritte tells Jon about Bael the Bard in the very same book>They had been in Winterfell all the time, hiding with the dead beneath the castle. The maid loved Bael so dearly she bore him a son, the song says . . . though if truth be told, all the maids love Bael in them songs he wrote. Be that as it may, what's certain is that Bael left the child in payment for the rose he'd plucked unasked, and that the boy grew to be the next Lord Stark>>25536725>Whatever the fuck Marwyn is up toI could see that. Hightower, glass candles, him having some sort of secret identity
what the FUCK is going on in Oldtown?
reunion
>>25537250His goal was always Hollywood, he worked as a screenwriter before ASOIAF and almost didn't finish GoT because he wrote a pilot for a show called Doorways. He was already old when he wrote asoiaf, it's not his life's work, it's just work.
>>25537409>>25537428>this little girl without any combat training could totally beat a bunch of squires because... Uuuuh... I LOVE TOMBOYSBravo George!
>>25536667Simplest interpretation would be Tower of Hand burnt by Cersei after Tyrion escapes and wildfire on Blackwater, or perhaps just Tyrion playing the game of thrones. Also, I was thinking about "small man with a big shadow" and it turns out Halfman has plenty of shadow symbolism:>Varys: A shadow on the wall, yet shadows can kill. And ofttimes a very small man can cast a very large shadow>Moqorro: Dragons. Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all.>Kevan: You see Tyrion in every shadow.>Cersei: He is a creature of the shadows. He killed Joffrey. He killed Father. Did you think he would stop there? I feared that the Imp was still in King's Landing plotting harm to Tommen, but he must have gone to Dorne instead to kill Myrcella first.I think I now buy Tyrion=Stone Beast theory. It makes too much sense
>>25537520she was known for being free-spirited and aggressive. would it really surprise you that Brandon was amused by/proud of training his wild ass sister to at least hold her own against a bunch of pimpled 13 year olds?
>>25537520>this little girl without any combat training could totally beat a bunch of squires because... Uuuuh... I LOVE TOMBOYSUnironically kino and why Rhaegar was attracted to her over his flat-chested, skeletor ass sickly wife.
>>25537492Hmm, it could be Jon. The last part of the bride of fire section is obviously Jon and if you squint the Rhaegar part of the first section could be Jon as well since he's obviously whispering Lyanna. My only thing is I don't think the stone beast is supposed to be a dragon. Dany knows what they look like and her narration would say "stone dragon" if it was one.>>25537524Tyrion would be an interesting one, I've always wondered if he's going to be intentionally giving her bad advice or otherwise trying to puppet her.
>>25537395If it was an actual fight, then Ned and his boys would all die.
I want to play Elden RingBut is it good?
>>25537556I hear good things. and if challenging games are not your forte or a natural interest, you can always summon help or use stronger builds
>>25537520Howland also used magic
>>25537556Have you played a Souls game before? If not you'll probably like it okay enough. It's not as good as Dark Souls 1 though.
>>25537574even if he has plays other Souls entries, you have no idea if he'll ultimately prefer ER to DS1. all you've done here is give your own opinion without imparting anything useful
>>25527131>twitter dramaWho the fuck cares?
>>25537574Fuck you Liurnia of the Lakes was the best zone
>this redhead could 1v1 someone 10x her size and then she had a female moment and he lost (but to appease the men we will say it's a draw), because she never lost a duel ever>this moon themed wiccan queen barged into the university and cancelled the NASA funded science because the moon is more special idk, also she's the smartest person aroundHad Elden Ring been made in America, people would accuse characters like Rennala and Malenia of being written by woke female writers.It’s called Horseshoe Theory. Chuds are blind to what they hate. It’s totally okay when Japan does it.
>>25528143And Southoros bootleg Australia.
>>25537633It's clearly bootleg Africa. You can see the Nile
>>25537617You’re 100% right but the fromsoft drones will refuse to listen to you
>>25537617>>25537662the American-made GTA VI will feature the series' first ever playable female main character who's obviously a badass. absurd shit is gonna happen like her outwitting the entire NSA and dealing with five floors' worth of thugs in a high-rise. it's still going to break every single entertainment media record that exists. you're just looking for reasons to glower at women. please try to be happier. there are good girls out there for you to talk with.
>>25537607Yeah but my opinion is objectively correct.
This is not a literature thread at all.
>>25537617Don’t forget that Ranni and a group of badass ninja women orchestrated the night of black knives and took down the big man Godwyn. All of ER is dictated by women. Men are just background notes or something.
>>25537683/lit/ is supposed to be better than this
>>25537556>>25537568>>25537574>>25537607>>25537613>>25537617>>25537662>>25537678>>25537683>>25537698/v/ is that way
>>25537699Imhotep did nothing wrong.
>>25537703but Elden Ring is written by George RayRich Martin
Only women have reached 70 intelligence according to Elden Ring lore kek
>>25534769>we want your lands for our lebensraumWhat's the Night's King endgame? Once he has killed everybody and turned the world into a frozen wasteland, then what? Sit on a frozen iron throne for all eternity and do nothing?
Yeah I also find it kind of eyebrow raising the many women sticking it to the various patriarchal systems in the world of elden ring myself
Aren’t the two highest iq guys those two rocked out buddha wizards who just sit there vibing to the beat of the cosmos
>>25537714He's going to sail to the Summer Isles and have orgies with the black women
This thread sure cratered.>bullshit from tv show>bullshit from non-canon sources>bullshitIts like I'm really on /tv/. This is now indistinguishable from the /tv/ threads.
>>25536668Gem post in coal thread
>>25537516>character in the forefront with the largest imageWho the FUCK is thatTerrible graphic design
>>25537740They’re braindead.
>>25537520>little girl beats up guys with karate*>”h-how did you do that??”>”I was raised by 3 brothers”Uuuggggghhhhhh I hate that corny ass trope
>>25537933>And so the little crannogman’s prayer was answered – by the green men, or the old gods, or the children of the forest, who can say? READING COMPREHENSION? IT WAS MAGIC YOU FUCKING RETARDS
Lyanna beat those men because she's a warg and wargs have been known to display feats of superhuman strength. See 14 yr old Robb lifting an elk carcass on to his horse or Jon picking up Alliser Thorne by the throat with one hand.
Howland Reed was the Laughing KnightFuck off with your feminist shit, that shitty play isnt canon
>>25538003The fact that Jojen believes that Ned should have told Bran the story over a hundred times and yet Bran says he's never mentioned it (HMM who is Ned notoriously tight lipped about) makes it very obvious who it is even in the books anon.
What's your fanfiction for ASOIAF ending? mine always was Euron becoming an Eldritch horror monster (something like Davy Jones) and becoming the Emperor of the world.
>>25538019Nope thats bullshit and you're a dumb simpI could even cite the books myself to disprove you but I wontLook it up yourself
>tomboy trying to larp as a man ultimately dies in childbirth >Fuck off with your feminist shitWhat did Anonymous mean by this?
>>25538098>trying to larpNot really a larp if she succeeds in overpowering several men.
>>25538047ah so asoiaf really is just larp larp larp sahur grounded anime aesthetic backdrop thats really actually ridiculous
>>25538104They were probably r*verlanders. Those barely count as men.
>>25538106what the fuck are you talking about? are you retarded?
>>25537982That sounds gay as fuck anon
>>25538126lol look at this retard who cant read kek
>>25538047Show ending works for me, substitute a few things like: >jon stays dead, Aegon takes his role as danys husband, but also takes Cerseis place as ruler of kings landing when dany goes psycho >jaime is killed by brienne/stoneheart>dany is killed by missandei
>>25538169Arya dies killing others (foreshadowed in the first book) Hound takes revenge on the brotherhood after they slaughter quiet isle then becomes faiths champion against Gregor who uses a flaming sword, kills gregor but burns Alive, Cersei is executed Littlefinger jumps out of the moon door and pulls sansa with him after he’s caught in a scheme and cornered Stannis burns shireen gets red baby dragon, goes mad and defects to the others, gets otherized and the dragon becomes an ice dragon Euron gains access to the secret wierwood within the Hightower and becomes the new lord of light greenseer, sends visions to manipulate the religious factions into serving him as god, Leyton as his voice and servant, Sam seeks Cotf to call down a meteor on oldtown
>>25537760always has been. every ASOIAF general on every board I've been on is like this>>25537714>then what? Sit on a frozen iron throne for all eternity and do nothing?yes, well doneI see you read your Dante
>>25538213The destruction of the Hightower destroys the wall, others overwhelm the north, last stand at moat cailin, neck is sunk for real real this time, the separated north becomes other territory
>>25538169No one wants to have fAegon take Jon's place in the story lmao, least of all GRRM, Jon's coming back and fAegon's biting it.
>>25538248>No one wantsIf they want it, do the opposite. That’s how true kino is made
>>25538262You think game of thrones and storm of swords would be worth a damn if George gave a shit about fan service?
>>25538262True kino is not made by trolling the audience and doing the opposite of what they expect no matter how dumb it is, that's how you get The Last Jedi or season 8 of GOT. True kino is made by satisfying setup and payoff, and there's so much setup for Jon coming back at this point that GRRM feels comfortable just assuming we all know he's coming back in interviews.
>>25538218Well no shit, the TV show is the actual popular thing and finished, all you get with the books its retards, hearing the pages talking to them and creating theories out of that
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>>25538266>True kino is not made by trolling the audience and doing the opposite of what they expect no matter how dumb it is
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>>25538341Yeah, he dislikes characters coming back unchanged. He brought back Cat, he's bringing back Jon, to deny otherwise is absurd considering that the show got that plot point from him and he's already said Jon is in fact learning about his parents.
>house called Redwyne makes... red winegenius, grrm! pure genius!
