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To my fellow cultivators: Greetings!

>>25539889
thanks

>>25539906
thanks

ill post a bunch of Godclads excerpts in the morning. this shit is WILD

>>25540208
You said if you don't have a good reason to make a character male or female, default to male because you better understand that perspective.

I said that defaulting to the perspective you understand best is bad advice for both a writer and for the story. It makes for bad fiction, having bland characters like that. Outside of the MC, you should strive to write the most colorful, most ALIEN viewpoints you can.

So I stand by what I said: your advice wasn't very good.

>>25540313
knowing for instance male characters only or best. This results in a boring story either by having no or few female characters, or worse by having those cardboard female characters. female writers do it all the time and make cardboard male characters and never get called on it by female readers. Male writers will get crucified for doing the reverse.

>>25540356
What?
I couldn't really understand your post.
Female writers who write cardboard male characters are usually writing romance stories where the Hot Billionaire Vampire being a default character is the selling point.
This is also true for male-focused stories where Manic Pixie Girl is praised by men as "omg peak"
It's the same shit, stop being so narrow minded (if this was even your point, I honestly can't tell)

you can probably get away with one good female character, the rest can just be fixtures

>>25540356
Lord Of The Rings has nearly no female characters and is the most popular novel of all time.

>>25539906
Good morning

>>25540368
In my current project the only two female characters are the characters dead mother (only present in memory) and a magical faceless old lady who makes the MC cookies and upgrades his sword.

>>25540372
its also really gay

>>25539890
Anyone who takes Sanderson's opinions on reality seriously is doing themselves a serious disservice.
To make a food analogy--I am an American--Sanderslop is essentially the McDonalds of the written word. People eat McDonalds, McDonalds is popular, but it's an overtly corporate product that relies on being formulaic. A fry cook at McDonalds is only a chef in the loosest possible sense, just as Brandon Sanderson is only an author in the loosest possible sense.
Listening to his philosophy on anything is incredibly questionable, because the only thing he can teach to you write is formulaic slop. He can certainly produce cheap slop at scale for wide consumption, but to say he's capable of writing anything genuinely "good" would be a shockingly insane opinion.
Listening to that faggot will only turn you into a hack like he is. And by the way, if you genuinely agree with his opinion that writing should be shallow, formulaic, and done solely for money, you may as well just cut out the middleman and use AI to "write" for you. Why not? You're already committed to mass-producing fucking garbage solely for money. If that really is the goal, you'd be better served accepting yourself for what you are and just fully embracing "writing" like some fucking Jeet scam artist.

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>>25540313
Your lack of reading comprehension is impressive. You don't even understand the post you claim to have written.

>I said that defaulting to the perspective you understand best is bad advice for both a writer and for the story.
That's not what you said.

Maybe some day you'll have a mastery of English sufficient to understand how that and

>Trying to always write characters as close to you in personality/behavior as possible is a great way to make fiction boring as hell

Are actually very different statements. You couldn't even parse the sentences I wrote. How could you possibly understand my point?

You are cat on head retarded, indeed.

>>25540417
I read this post and also think you misunderstood what I said. You're retarded. We're at an impasse.

>>25540362
nta but
>Hot Billionaire Vampire
Even outside of romance there's this weird quality about male MCs written by women. It's not as obvious as when you're reading a Femc story and they stat talking about their underwear or whatever for no reason but it's still there.
>It's the same shit, stop being so narrow minded
His point is (I think) that it's the same shit but "men writing women" is the one that's the meme. There's way more scrutiny on it. You'll get called out for manic pixie-girl, man with tits and also damsel in distress.

Just added 30 empty chapters to the start of my outline. Time to tack a baby arc onto the front of this thing.

>>25540526
Only thirty? You're cutting it close, friend.

>>25540526
>not 3 volumes of babyslop followed by 2 pre-teen volumes
ngmi

I can only stomach writing young teen at most. If I ever had to start a story from literal diapers, I'd lose interest in it before the MC gets his first chest hair.

One of the most common complaints I see on other people's stories is that the adult characters and supposedly adult souls reincarnated in children's bodies don't behave like adults at all. So I think writing adults who behave like adults is a niche I can fill since I'm already an old guy myself and can't understand the children of today

>>25540667
See, that's the issue: no one reading WNs is any better than a manchild, so don't expect readers to like reading about adults.

>>25540667
Just read (and copy) reverend insanity, the first 100 chapters is an academy arc, mc is a 500 year old person in a body of a 15 yo, it probably has the best portrayal of a reincarnated person in any webnovel.

>>25540667
"adult" in this context means "seems competent in ways that would, in most cases, prevent an interesting story being told involving children".

>>25541225
>interesting story
>involving children
Impossible equation

It's funny, as a very non-discerning reader, to read something that's popular and genuinely bad.

End up getting actually mad at the thing. Like I thought I had 100+ chapters to read in a subgenre I like but you've written so badly even I'm put off by it.

>>25541343
what story

>>25541527
Your diary desu

Anything good released in the past 3 months on RR?

>>25541642
No

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>>25541642
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/176444/to-touch-infinity-martial-arts-strategy

>>25541711
>female on the cover
Dropped

>>25541642
I checked the rising stars to see if there was something interesting
There wasn't
I want to say these self-inserting isekai shit no longer interest me but i still read a few just fine, mostly fanfiction, but reading the synopsis of this month's rising stars makes me want to yawn

>>25541642
10000 tragedies

>>25541738
Yeah it's hot garbage

>>25541642
I've been enjoying Eldritch Harem, which is weird because it's written poorly and redditly and harem is cringe. I should despise it. Something about the world is interesting.

>>25541711
I remember this, I dropped it when she developed the robe movement technique and did the "hurrr I am Zero" bit
read A Young Girl's War Between the Stars instead (on spacebattles, where it's uncensored)

>>25541768
Thanks for the rec but I simply don't read fanfiction.
Touch Infinity is pretty good right now they're doing strategic/tactical fights over a mine. The wuxia is done pretty well too. It's not just xianxia.

>>25541711
>female on the cover
Followed and left a 5* review.

>>25541780
>I simply don't read fanfiction.
Based

>>25541768
>A Young Girl's War Between the Stars
Can i just say Spacebattles have a problem with "Tanya The Evil" (Youjo Senki) crossovers? And by problem i mean at least half of the active fics are about her
I don't want to think poorly of people but, is she popular because she's a fedora tipping atheist transexual with a joker smile?

>>25541810
spacebattles is full of redditors and fags.

>>25541810
They like mil-sci. That's pretty much it, that's the reason. Also Youjo Senki has retained significant popularity despite the huge gap between seasons so it's no surprise.

Also, sometimes, a franchise just gets a ton of fanfictions for no apparent reason, even if its popularity outside of that space is not that big.

>>25541820
>Also, sometimes, a franchise just gets a ton of fanfictions for no apparent reason, even if its popularity outside of that space is not that big.
True, there are dedicated sites for Star Trek fanfic sites. It's where "Mary Sue" first came from.

>>25541820
Part of my sarcastic fit was a genuine question, right now i feel very disconected to what people like and dislike
One day i woke up to find i don't care about most of my interests and i have little patience for shit
Makes it hard to get back into writing

>>25541863
I've been around for a while and at this point I've given up on trying to comprehend what people like or don't like. I don't know why it's popular, but it's a pleasant surprise that something that isn't straight raw untreated sewage is popular.

Check the rise of self-insertionism in reader tastes and the swelling numbers of ESLs reading. The readerbase has simply changed. The solution is to stop worrying about total popularity so much and focus on native English speakers for your sense of validation.

>>25541894
It's not new. I was there over a decade ago. The retarded masses have always been big for self-inserts.

>>25541917
This is going to sound gay but I mean over a longer span than a decade. It's like a fifty year trend, shit it's 2026, 75 year trend. You're completely right that this trend existed a decade ago and was significant. Harry Potter and Twilight are good examples. The entire genre of romantasy is based on self-insertion (to shlick to) (ironic).

>>25541711
Infinity here.

I wonder what the judges are looking for on J-Novel Club.

>>25541976
to scam an unsuspecting rube out of promising fiction rights

>>25541987
This, but posting your work anywhere online.

>>25542034
a number of sites don't lay claim to your fiction rights so wdym

>>25542034
I earn a good living licensing my dankest memes.

>>25542044
You lose as many fiction rights posting online as you do joining these various contests.

>>25542057
me when I lie

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>>25542076
That's why smart people only use their weakest ideas in these contests to get their name out and attention for their good self published ideas.

No, no, I'm right. We should all just keep our writing to ourselves. Why give the right to experience our masterpieces to plebians? It should belong us and us alone. When I go onto the kindle store, I scoff at all the retards devaluing their IP, letting it be raped by a reader's eyes for mere money. Truly, there is no greater cuckoldry.

>>25542098
I get off on pleasing my readers. I'm a deranged pervert.

>>25542099
You dirty autwhore.

>>25539662
I'm a man and default to female characters because I like tits

>>25542090
smart people don't waste their time with those contests

>Looking at other websites
>Tellura comes up
>Sounds neat
>Look up the company
>"Septem Montes builds the AI foundations for long-form fiction"
Every time. I swear, almost every 'new' wn site ends up with some bullshit like this. Reminds me of that one that Immersive Ink was behind.

>>25542199
>coins
It's one of those pay to read sites anyway
As for AI anything you posted on the older sites was already getting scraped.

Even this time last year we were talking about how Trapub and AI companies were circling like vultures.

>>25541810
No, it's either because she can be fun if written properly or its because shes not a drooling retard. Anyway trannywriting her gets the rope, same for anyone making her actually stoic/robotic rather than semi-neurotic but professional outwardly.

>>25542161
That is a very compelling reason. Godspeed.

Google trains AI on your docs and Gmails
Amazon trains AI on your Kindle
Trad publishers sell your book to be trained on by AI
Your second-hand copies are pulped for AI
And obviously, all social media, including 4chan, has been used to train AI since day one
So if you think, for a second, that a certain Israeli-based website doesn't train AI on your slop, then I don't know what to tell you.

>>25542211
>trannywriting her
>the literal male to female genderbend character
wtf? are you stupid

>>25542202
I came across that 90s-UPN looking youtube ad for My Vampire System and just HAD to find it. But as I looked into it, it looked like the platform (name forgotten) had an algorithmically scaling window of free chapters you could read that squeezed down the more interest you showed. And some side-scheme to accumulate tokens or coins or whatever they called them. I think it was run by Indians.

I finally came across the pirated audio and it seemed like that business model had contaminated the work even worse than the straightforward milking RR incentivizes.

>>25542219
royal road doesn't train shit, they aren't building ai models
and even if they didn't allow it outright the big ai companies scrape the entire internet, that's how the existing models were made
why are you phrasing this as a wake up call
absolute pea brain

>>25542222
To add to your point, they also trained their AI on everything available on libgen.

>>25542220
(you)

>>25542202
I know that scraping is inevitable. My problem is with vibecoding. It's even lower than an AI slop story, because it's the very foundation everything else rests on. And if the website owners are going to half ass even that, why should anyone believe they'll fix any problems with it, or if even be able to? Why do these morons think anyone will invest into their ecosystem that they show they aren't willing to put the work into cultivating? That's what gets my goat.

>>25541711
>382 pages

>>25542267
Yeah it started two months ago. That's a perfectly respectable number of pages.

>>25542057
I may be wrong but doesnt J-novel want exclusivity for all contest entries? That alone makes it not worth it. You should post your web novel on as many websites as you can.

And posting your shit online only forfeits FNASR, and let's be honest, the feminists and trannies have zero interest in your, mine, or anyone else's webnovel. They're too busy surrounding themselves with native american authors and chicks with dicks in a never ending contest of seeing who can claim the championship title to the world's biggest victim.

>>25542365
the way it worked previous was that they only want exclusivity if you win, in which case you would have to remove it from other sites, the same way you would if you went to amazon or some other paid site. En tering the contest shouldn't mean agreeing to exclusivity.

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>>25542365
I looked it up. Looks like exclusivity only takes place if you become a finalist or win a prize with them. And hey, 'Finalist of X contest' is always good resume fodder.

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>>25541976
>no more than 75,000 words
>i have 150k
reee

>>25542389
Can't wait to submit my story, not get even an honorable mention, and 6 months later see an AI-generated pastiche of my work sold at JNC

>new 1% lifesteal chapter
>it's the beginning of the school arc
freddy is going to aura farm so fucking much, on god frfr.

>>25542601
Huh? Isn't 1%LS a really long-running series? And it's only getting to the obligatory rancid dogshit school arc NOW?

>>25542668
school arcs are peak though

Are there any good first person present tense stories on RR? I can't recall reading any.

>>25542710
Mine but I removed it

>>25542712
Why? Stubbed?

>>25542717
It was like a trilogy of 3 major arcs, but life got in the way after the second part and after a two-year hiatus I just quietly took it down. Better to relaunch if and when it's all finished than leave everyone hanging forever like that.

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The characters in this novel are deranged and psychopathic like those in average xianxia novels, but their internal thoughts are still full of those of Western moralfaggotry. They’re all about being good and wanting to become better people. They’re too self-aware, or good and bad is too concretely defined, and god, I hate the banter so much. I haven’t found good dark fantasy since Prince of Nothing.

>Siegfried Tobias Bismarck
koreans make up incredible western names

>>25542769
just go re-read RI for the millionth time

What are gu?

Recommend me stories where women wear bikini mails (or the mage equivalents).

>>25543166
CHAINED CITY
except the author probably abandoned it

>>25543170
he said he works too much to keep to a consistent release
this had a few anons suggesting that he write more in preparation before releasing a new story in the future

>>25543192
yeah I know I'm trying to bait him into writing more and get him more readers. I was enjoying it and I want to know what is going on with the crab people zombie things.

>>25542736

based author

>>25542802

kek

>>25543200
My man you'll be like 400 years old before he finishes it at this rate

>>25543212
I don't know about you, sir, but I plan to live forever.

>>25543200
hell yeah

Bros how do you cope with the fact that you will never write something as good and as popular as Mushoku Tensei?

>Mushoku tensei good
Bait

>>25543367
NTA but MT is substantially better than almost everything that gets talked about in this thread plus it's not common to get brought up
If it was bait he would've said Reverend Insanity or Gifted

>>25543363
It doesn't bother me so I don't need to cope. Popularity isn't the be all end all and MT isn't peak fiction, it's more like "upper end of good with a lot of serious flaws"

>NTA but MT is substantially better than
Bait

>>25543378

The unsympathetic mc helps to filter out wimps

>>25543406
Found the wandering inn reader

isn't the most popular nip LN still Index?

>>25539890
The western WN scene needs a good pipeline to really spike a story's popularity. Like China's WN to Donghua, or Japan's WN to LN to Anime pipeline. Unfortunately all you can potentially get if you're a western author is a shitty live action adaptation

>>25543363
>as good
easily done
>as popular
that's the tough part. find an oil sheikh to fund a studio?

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>>25543363
For me this is part hobby and part social money laundering. I don't have to write "good" and I don't have to be popular. It's enough to fill a gap on my resume and answer questions at social functions secure in the knowledge not a single person will actually read my book even if I beg them to (possibly asking them to would make it less likely).

All part of the plan.

>>25543467
i thought TBATE was a western web novel?

>>25543467
Japan's pipeline is WN->LN->Manga->Anime thoughbeit

>>25543564
The Bractical Almanac to Evil?

>>25543732

The Beginning After The End

>>25543564
To Beat A Talented Elephant?

>>25543745
everyone point and laugh at the newfriend who doesnt know our injokes!

>>25543363
I just like writing.
As long as I finish one story before I die, I'm good.

>>25541810
Youjo Senki is one of the few crossovers between anime and Eastern Frontaboo grand strategy.

>>25543862
I've never seen/read it but isn't it ww1 western front

>>25543428
Big surprise but nobody actually reads so I looked it up. The top grossing Jap LN is some gay isekai faggotry. Index is only #4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_light_novels

>>25544007
apothekino diaries #2 bby

>>25544042
i will never understand /lit/ newfags calling their favorite book a film as some sort of compliment

>>25544042
>woman are infesting light novels as well.
grim

>>25543939
Youjo Senki is set in a world similar to, but different from, Earth. The war they're fighting is a mix of WW1 and WW2, with magic. Specifically, mages can use tech to fly relatively short ranges, hit hard, and function as close air support. Kinda like attack helicopters, but more nimble.

The eastern front situation is most like WW2, I'd say, where you have communists one one side, a massive front, lend-lease support from USA to USSR (analogues), and so on.

The WW1 side of things has trench warfare against the France analogue until plot happens and Tanya's side sweeps them away.

>>25544007
TenSura is kingdom building and Japanese culture supremacism. Of course they love it. It might as well be "what if the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere worked because the stupid gaijin were smart enough to understand how great us Japanese are?"

Sadly I'm almost ten volumes behind on Index. I had a busy few years and GT is just very dense. Almost to the point I wouldn't classify it as LN anymore (compare it to the sloppy balloons on J-novel club these days).

>Old computer dies
>My docs with all my ideas is dead too
>Months pass
>Feel like writing again
>Can't think of any fun ideas
I think the problem is i haven't found any good stories to be obsessed over like i used to

Any good recent system novel? One that isn't overly reddit?

>>25544069
what if some fat guy got a system where he could upgrade the bacteria in his fatfolds

>>25544076
I'll take it. We need more biopunk stories

>>25544069
Look at stories that aren't necessarily good but have an interesting premise and just steal the idea and spin it your own way.

>>25544092
I'm working on it. Sort of.

>>25544069
what is overtly reddit?
i think infinite realm is ending soon.
in IR, the 'System' activates on your home planet for a short time then you get subsumed into the (wait for it) Infinite Realm(TM)
the main two chars are/were best buds: a black dude and an asian dude. the black dude and his eventual wife are government bootlickers while asian dude and his eventual wife are introvert reclusive cultivators. the govt tries to force asian dude + wife into their control which leads to asian dude's wife being killed then asian dude gets assaulted for like a third time, has enough, and solos an entire town (accidentally killing black dude's wife.)
this is the 'intro'. then four books in, black dude's character is entirely rewritten because he gets mindfucked by the current big bad into spending something like four thousand years trapped in his own head then becomes something like the god of time

>>25542668
I listened on audio. He's already been through 100 years of time dilated training . Hitting magic academy now is...a bit creepy desu.

>>25543212
400 year olds can enjoy chain bikinis same as you, bigot.

>>25543467
Then pray for DCC to make big coin. Hollywood understands its own exhaustion and is looking for something to mine. If it does well, they'll buy everything and try to make a business model that ensures payback.

>>25544007
>gay isekai faggotry
By gay do you mean "gay" or *gay*?

>>25544114
Nta, but you know what he's talking about. Call them Marvelisms, Whedonisms, or whatever else, but I guarantee you've seen it before. Writing where they'll undercut serious scenes for lame jokes, characters acting 'adorkable', a general lack of sincerity, anachronisms everywhere because the writer is a soulless golem that can't think outside of their own experiences This part is why I think they gravitate toward isekai by the way, and so on.

>>25544134
gay as in bad/negative
maybe the MC who got reincarnated as a slime fucks some other boy slime idk

>>25544135
Those are Marvelisms more than Whedonisms
Whedon wasn't shy about running spears through the wash

>>25544117
Honestly the author is wack enough that I'm not worried about it being creepy. Even if he did have a fourteen year old hitting on him.

It's probably just a narrative excuse to loredump and have Freddy flex on people while his soul finishes healing, and then he'll ascend and jump right into realm clearing on the vanguard.

Also I think the violin thing is more evidence for my pet theory: That 1% lifesteal steals more than health and healing, it's stealing a person's talent, too. Not like their magical power talent but like their potential as a person. That's why some scrawny poor double orphan can turn into a crazy murder machine the way he has.

"Hundred-part harm ye bring unto thine enemy, one part ye shall recover."

It's very deliberately broad and vaguely written. The best kind of power description, where you can twist it into whatever you want down the road.

>>25544151
Rimuru starts straight but becomes asexual and immune to most feminine charms pretty early on in the story. The author still has the big titty female characters press the slime into their boobs, but he no longer gets excited or aroused from it.

The story is entirely character drama and kingdom building by the point of where the anime is adapting right now.

>>25544135
>Nta, but you know what he's talking about.
Keep your newfag tu quoque shit to yourself.

>>25544114
That doesn't really sound reddit.

>>25544242
>Anon who can't read browses /lit/
It's more likely than you think.

>>25544306
>newfag vaguepost
sasuga

>>25544233
Thanks - that is a reinvigorating take. I think I'm a tolerant reader as you have to be in this genre, but sometimes I get needlessly cynical.

what the FUCK is a sasuga?

>>25544444
nice dubs

>>25544444
tranny codeword

>>25544444
lurk for four moar years before posting again, newfag-kun

>>25544444
Some sort of sausage probably.

>>25544378
It's because it's Mr. Blaise. Other authors I wouldn't trust to write certain plot arcs well. At the same time I'm extremely lenient on whatever happens in fiction. It's just fiction. It's made up. If an author wants to write age gap relationships or worse, I don't mind as long as it's entertaining.

So I'm not looking at it like "oh no he's like 125 years old and he's going to start dating a 12 year old." It's clearly going to have some gang of idiot young adults try to pick on him, he humorously cleans them up, girls (and or maybe boys) hit on him and he spills his spaghetti, professors are snide to him and he just proves them wrong on the spot, he listens to a few lectures and then there'll be a timeskip to graduation in like two months because he learns things fast, like he did with the violin.

The last time I dropped something that made me uncomfortable it was Miss Medic’s Diary at War on JNC, because the main character was getting physically abused by a superior officer in the military and then started to stockholm syndrome herself into respecting him for no reason. I felt it was stupid and repugnant and dropped it. But it's not a big deal, just not to my taste.

when does autistic archmage get good?

>>25544444
Japanese sausage also checked.

>>25544489
there are like 4 autistic archmages of at least medium popularity so stop vague posting. i even started typing a response and then realized i might be talking about a different story

>>25544541
It could be that one asshole who gets anxious when /wng/ isn't on the front page so he makes some dumb non sequitur question to artificially stimulate discussion.

>>25544117
>He's already been through 100 years of THAT
so he copied his first series? does 1% have a bunch of child torture timeloop porn?

>>25544285
That was the point, friend.

I'm thinking of writing a story where the protagonist can temporarily infuse items with concepts, like putting "fire" inside a sword to get a flaming sword (obviously I'd waffle about what that means and the effects it grants more in-story). I'm just wondering: would selling this as a crafting story be false advertising?

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25544444
What a waste of fucking quints, fucking hell

what the FUCK is a quints?

>>25544613
Scavenge for lost cultivation manuals by that elusive Senior Popeye the Enigmatic

>>25544606
nah
that's basically what crafterfags wanna see anyway

>>25544606
Why can't you make it in the non-bullshit way like looting and crafting fire-based materials into a sword to make a flaming sword, and studying crafting to see how that might work practically, instead of just pulling whatever godlike magic the plot needs out of the MC's ass?

>>25544606
Nah it's a kind of crafting, it's fine. Enchanting, or Infusing, or embodying... I'm sure there's a good word for it. Ensorcelling, maybe.

Now if you're doing a crafting story it should be key to the plot and themes of the story. Star Wars but Luke happens to be really into light saber modifications on the side isn't a crafting story.

What are some good crafting stories
The few I've encountered were kind of dogshit

Speaking of crafting stories, are there any set in a cyberpunk or a sci-fi setting?

>>25544636
Because if I'm doing temporary imbuings, I get to deliver much more frequent "crafting" hits than doing it traditionally.

>>25544664
It's basically just a cumbersome wizard then

>>25544666
That's intentional.

>>25544672
Danmachi did a better version of your idea. Welf can create powerful magic swords, but because he's not a master, his weapons break after a set number of uses. An interesting ability that still requires a lot of crafting as well as the necessary materials, and doesn't leave half as much room for frodos

>>25544655
Bad Born Blood

>>25544458
should take your own advice

>Taking out a phone, he called up school security. “Fake badges, entry corridor.”
oh shit, this fool dun goofed

>>25541810
There's a handful of very popular stories so the ones chasing cash fasten to the easiest thing. 90 percent of them are blatantly AI. Plus YS is one of those rare animes that seems to maintain popularity over long periods.

I am reading The Wizard's Journey Begins with a Knight on wtr lab.
The translation is somewhat rough at the beginning but improves in later chapters. It's mostly progression novel, mc just getting stronger and levelling up with varied magic system with some system, some western magic and some cultivation elements, for those interested in magic systems it's great read, story is mostly ok, worldbuilding is alright, sadly there is a very occasional harem but it can be skipped entirely as it has no relation to the main story.

Someone run Bodyguard to the Future Demon Queen for me in the AI checker for me, I forget what the tool was.

What are peoples thoughts on Radiant Blade Of The Wilderness byt the guy that wrote Lord of the Mysteries?

I'm on about chapter 50 and so far it's all politics that to be completely honest are a bit lost on me with the translation.

Magic system seems like it could be interesting (the long list of nonsense realm/stage names aside) but he hasnt done anything with it yet.

People that have read more what are your thoughts?

>>25544989
There's a very big twist at the end of the arc. It's interesting. Much less action focused than most of those types of stories, more like a murder mystery. I'm only like 40 chapters ahead of you though.

>>25544989
Throne of Magical Arcana, Embers Ad Infinitum and Lord of the Mysteries were so fucking peak, but then Circle of Inevitability was so fucking boring.
He fell off.

>>25544948
She's named Elara, dog. That's AI as fuck.

>>25545072
to play devil's advocate, some people just use ai to come up with names without realizing it always spits out the same ones
it's not a smoking gun, just a red flag

>>25544732
If there aren't any web novels then I may have found my niche.

>>25545112
in any case, we have a general lack of cyberpunk and SF, so go for it

>>25544802
>chasing cash
>talking about fanfiction
?

Pulling around 1,3k to 1,8k words daily(normaly 1,5k) and aleardy in 11 chapters.
34k words for now
We keep going on strong!!!!!!!!

I only like sect and academy based stories, but there's no reason guild and other workplace based settings can't be written the same way. Essentially, these settings are an excuse to throw important characters together in a confined space where they can interact, learn different things, meet new characters, and take part in various events.
But every workplace based WN I've read just rushes through orientation and training to get to the first job in some dingy alley or dirty swamp somewhere. Then by the second arc, the office is reduced to a clubroom the MC drops by occasionally to chat with maybe one other named character.

>>25544801
I called it!
But also fuck you for vagueposting when you could have just said you're talking about 1% lifesteal.

>The elevator rang. Chambers felt his shit nearly eject through his asscheeks. "Fuck!"
After an extensive break and coming back to Godclads book 2, Chambers has become my favorite character even though I detested him at first. Pure fucking comedy gold especially triggering playbacks of literal saved torture porn in his mind as a defensive mechanism in uncontrollable situations.

Do you niggas watch anime or read manga, or is Western stuff all you guys consume?

>>25545518
I watch anime and read manga but don't read eastern web novels, only western

>>25545518
I stopped watching japanese anime and started watching chinese anime (aka donghua), only the most popular shows though.

>>25545545
haha dong

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>>25545518
both
books are 95% western though

>>25545518
I watch/read old stuff, i feel disconected with most modern manga and anime

>>25539890
>Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis
Are web novelists supposed to be updating weekly and not daily?

>>25543467
WN to Netflix. Or WN to indie RPG/Visual Novel

>>25545606
Depends on the author
Some are even monthly

>>25544948
Already did, pangram says 100% AI. Look at the profile of the cunt who posted it, imagine being that smug when you don't even write your own shit.

I encourage everyone to give it 0.5 stars.

>>25545518
The only anime I've ever liked was LOTGH and I guess Ghost in the Shell. I sort of liked berserk when I was 20 but I mostly hate it now. I hate anime tropes.

>>25545663
Wait no I'm confusing demon queen for the butler to the villainess one

Pangram said both are 100% in any case.

>>25545179
They all have patreons in their signatures and usually fifty other stories, with an e begging authors note for each.

>>25545672
There's plenty of them but as far as I can tell that specific Star Wars crossover fic isn't AIgen, and I have a pretty good sense for these things. It reads like authentic autist writing, it even has the author seething at the moderators of sites for making him censor shit.

>>25545728
inb4 "muh aigen cover mean 100% aigen writing" retard pops up again

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>>25545518
all of the above
being a lit/book/readingfaggot, manga > anime

Is Bushido Online ever coming back?

>>25545871
>last book released in 2021
probably not

>>25545912
Some AI had me pumped up saying there was a revival coming, but I didn't see any evidence. Shame, because even thought name made me suspect it would be weeb fetish shit, it was very playful and character forward.

>>25544948
>>25545663
Why do you retards care so much? Read it if you like it, don't read it if you don't like it. Whether it's AI or not shouldn't change how much you like it.
>>25545072
I need a stronger word than "retard" for people like you. Maybe lobotomized?

>>25545948
Uhoh slopjeeta is mad
>Why do you retards care so much?
Why do you hide that it's AI?
It takes time to read it and then realize it's dogshit incoherent slop. It wastes my time and excludes other shit written by people with a scrap of talent. I'm pro ai but AI stories are invariably dogshit.

>>25545950
>slopjeeta
ai post

Would a Cyberpunk/LitRPG/Urban Fantasy with Christian undertones do well? Or is the winnie fanbase too secular for that?

>>25545979
Kek why do I keep seeing my ideas get used elsewhere. I want to extend the tarot theme from 2077 in one of my stories but more orthodox Christian flavored and combine it with some psychic powers.

I don't think it would do too great to be honest, if it's as direct as it sounds to me. They seem mostly Asian and west-secular with a faint undercurrent of christians and rightoids. It could work, maybe, but if you're already uncertain about it maybe not.

But who cares, writing these things is relatively low effort. Just go write it and see how it does.

>>25545979
Depends on how overt I guess

>MC was trekking through a forest. He heard an unusual sound ahead and went on high alert. He carefully approached the sound on the other side of the trees ahead.
>MC peeked out from behind the tree and saw...
This always amuses me because the are very few trees that have a wide enough trunk to hide behind. Most trees are narrower than you and there's usually a ton of foliage around. You'd really be hiding in a bush next to the tree rather than behind a tree.

I know this is nitpicky, but I still find it amusing. You can hide behind the trunk of an oak, maple, yew or like a redwood. If it's a pine forest then you can only do that if it's a really old forest. If it's a willow tree then you'll basically be hiding inside the tree rather than behind it. If it's a fir then you'll only be hiding around it (unless it has grown into a weird shape).

>>25546027
Where I live there are pretty wide trees, I think. The oaks on my property are enormous but that's partially because they're freestanding. I'll have to pay attention to this next time I go hiking but I'm pretty sure the national forest trees are big enough to hide behind as well, even some fuckhuge loblolly pines. It just depends.

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>>25546033
You do have a point. I oversold it at the start. Most of the forests I've been in like something like pic related though.

>>25546027
I can look out my window and see literally hundreds of trees that I could easily hide behind. unless the guy has gone out of his way to specify that there are only trees around that he COULDN'T hide behind, I think it's extremely stupid to object that, since you couldn't do that behind "most" trees, that the character wouldn't be able to hide behind the tree he's described as peeking out from behind. since he wouldn't have chosen his tree at random

>>25545518
I mostly only consume anime and manga. Been watching seasonals since 2009 and still watch them as well as pre-2010 anime. I don't consume western media anymore; maybe the odd movie or two. Just watched TADC, Hathaway part 2, and Backrooms recently. Western stuff I mostly read old tradpub for western stuff. Only read western RR novels, but technically did actively read Tanya the evil LN (started as a WN) for a few years

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Or pic related

>>25546051
Those aren't really in a forest though. Trees growing in the open grow wider trunks and branches.

>>25546027
Going to nitpick your nitpicks.
Every part of the world has trees wide enough to hide behind. You named a few and there's also the Firs and Spruces in the Black Forest in Europe and in India and SEA they have places full of Banyans and Teaks.
>if it's a really old forest
so what's the issue? If it's a modern setting it could just be old trees and in a fantasy story it could be entire parts of the world covered in old trees like the wilderness regions of Forgotten Realms

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>>25546090
See all that space between this tree and the next one? Forest implies that space wouldn't be there. This looks more like a meadow or park.

Unironically, the best solution to ai on RS rn would be a writing cabal

>>25546198
Nah but there probably does need to be a message from the admins telling people to just review the prose as garbage rather than spouting baseless AI accusations.
Also if an author says they're not using AI and later change their tune their account should be banned.

Hopefully fingerprinting LLM text gets more common and there can be an actually good detector.

>>25546198
>>25546214
Since AI copies from human samples, it's just going to get more humanlike from here. People need to stop calling everything AI. They can only give reasons why it's bad.

>>25546027
I feel like this is mostly an American suburban perspective. If you've ever been to true old growth forests or even groves planted 150 years ago, the trees are quite large.

>>25546198
>Join writing cabal
>Cabal has ai users in it
>They slip up and get exposed
>You're guilty by association
now what

>>25546290
The cabal wouldn't let that happen. All traitors must be violently made an example of, otherwise the cabal loses all credibility

>>25546290
>Have people send the editing history of their docs if they wanna get in.
>Oh, you use an editing software that doesn't keep track of that? sorry, no cabal for you.
You could still fake an editing history to be fair, but this still filters most people and fake edit logs are much easier to spot.

>>25546308
>>25546318
Okay but whose going to do that. You need someone with the time to be a writer, participate in the cabal discussion/peer reviewing and also run the cabals opsec.

>>25546323
The Order bans obvious AI users and the authors in there dunk on and insult them too
and The Order is probably the only real cabal left, with all the drama and full server wipes the other big ones have seen recently

>>25546318
>astra make up some edit logs for me too
>okay now add some random typos
>great thanks astra

>>25546308
If there's any value in being in the cabal, cheaters will cheat to try to get in and get away with it.

Either we do LLM output fingerprinting (likely just so the LLM companies don't get model collapse from training on their own output) or we just all agree that AI accusations are meaningless and quality and originality are what matters, and that there's no social clout for "being an author." Really the LLM-output spammers are doing what they do for clout, not because they like books or have anything to say. Eventually they will devalue the entire enterprise and then move on to the next thing.

>>25546343
>Really the LLM-output spammers are doing what they do for clout, not because they like books or have anything to say. Eventually they will devalue the entire enterprise and then move on to the next thing.
They're not doing it for clout, they're doing it for attention (NOT the same thing as clout) or money.

>>25546338
Someone should write a litrpg about this

>>25546343
>astra fully generate a chapter full of typos
>okay now edit this 200-300 times so that I have a realistic edit page. also do this for the 30 other chapters I have
No cabal that fails to catch this deserves to cabal

Just write really long running stories and keep notes and be consistent. You will then rise above the ai slop by virtue of just having more gas in tank.
Of course anons can't do that because nobody on /lit/ can actually write anything longer than a novella for some reason.

>>25546396
>You will then rise above the ai slop by virtue of just having more gas in tank.
not really, ai slop is dominating rising stars and badly written human slop isn't

>>25544801
He took out his phone while simultaneously calling security? What is this trash?

>>25546416
He is a two star, he can do things that you can't even imagine.

How do I secure paying readers? I don't care about windowlickers and would prefer they die.

>>25546412
>ai slop is dominating rising stars
at first and then they fall off hard after the continuity problems start showing up and don't go away.

>>25546424
Step one (Impossible tier): Write a good story
Step two: insert cliffhangers

>>25546424
catering to the masses (windowlickers) is obviously the best way to get readers, so you're at a huge disadvantage
being an exceptional truly 0.1% writer is the other way to get readers, and you'll pick up far fewer paypiggies even still.
my honest advice:
1. get over yourself if you want to be a commercial writer
2. stop trying to be a commercial writer when you aren't willing to write for the masses
it's honestly pretty fucking obvious and makes me think you're a windowlicker yourself
(or you're just venting, in which case stop whiny blogposting pls)

>>25546027
>Most trees are narrower than you
Because most forests irl are also young and regularly chopped down to be sold. Old trees grow BIG

>>25539890
>recommending yurishit trash
Go kill yourself retarded tranny faggot. You should be executed.

>>25546491
mad

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>synopsis copypasted from an AI generator with greentext arrows
Just when you think it can't get any worse

>years ago fucked around with novelai
>graduated to witting by hand because LLM's spit out shit that's not what I had in my head

People churning out one shot slop onto platforms and claiming "I wrote this" will never not be funny.
Any artist/writer moaning about ai is a bottom of the barrel retard that shouldn't be rewarded anyway.

>>25546678
Kek I have the same experience every time I use Midjourney
Playing slop roulette 200 times for one mostly accurate image drives me crazy and makes me just want to learn how to draw or commission.

Aspiring writter here! Did around 12 chapters (didnt publish yet, preparing a back log)
Doing 1,5k words per day.

Can you guys give me some help of what i should do when publishing?

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>>25546760
>spend an hour on photoshop painting over AIslop to fix its countless mistakes
>fuck it, I CAN do better than this myself
>try to create an original illustration
>turns out I actually fucking can't do any better in any sensible time frame
>return to fixing AIslop

>>25546789
>give me some help of what i should do
Yes. Just give up man

>>25546802
I should always do the opposite of what the doomer says.
Which means, i will never give up!
Thanks

>>25546678
Literally me, but in reverse. I started writing before AI, and then when AI got decent, I gave it a try, and immediately felt autistic rage at how it couldn't actually portray what I wanted, only vague allusions in that direction.

>>25546789
be sure to post your novel here so I can give it a 5 start rating :)

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I've posted my novels here several times and always got told "enjoy your 0.5" and so on.

But I never received one.

>>25546789
Understanding how to get on Rising Star on Royalroad is the most important thing. Check out the guide for it in the OP. The Cat Girl Evolution author also made a decent guide for it on reddit if you wanna look for that.

>>25546836
The one time I did and got told that, I got a 5 star. That was a very nice anon.

>>25546836
I received an autistic schizo review bomber, who was probably from here because every time I'd vaguely mention my story in these threads, I'd get replies from a dude ranting the same way as that freak on RR. And I never had comments like that before I made the mistake of linking my story here. Had to learn that lesson the hard way

>>25546789
There is nothing anons can tell you here that doesn't exist in popular guides written by big names in the space
In fact if it doesnt exist in one of those resources it's probably sabotage

>tapas (kakao's manwha translation department) got folded
>wuxiaworld has its original owner back
>private equity firms just bought out the publisher podium for $400 million
big day huh

>>25546987
you forgot one
>freddy stern spilled gallons of spaghetti on his day of university

>>25546987
>>private equity firms just bought out the publisher podium for $400 million
Ahh, my paranoia about signing license agreements is once again proven right.
I'm going to have to remember to negotiate revocability to any license I grant in the event the company is merged, taken over, bought out, whatever. Company changes hands? I get my license back simple and clean. Not letting some vulture snap it up in a tranche with other shit.

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>>25546424
Here's a guide from a while back. Probably needs some edits to make it more legible but the information's there.

>>25546863
Can you give the username of the guy?

>>25546798
Just use inpainting with prompts. Manually editing it yourself is a huge waste of time if you're not a real artist yourself.

I'm going to write pure wish fulfilment goonslop and no one can stop me.

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>want to write genre
>try to read other winnies in genre
>bored to tears
I'm genuinely unsure if that means I don't actually like the genre or that I should just try to write something better.

>>25547080
People don't goon to text anymore unless it's fanfiction or romantasy.

>>25547104
What's the genre

>>25547114
Space Opera

>>25547110
Like 90% of ScribbleHub's most popular disagrees with you

>>25547119
I regret to inform you space opera is a fundamentally cursed genre. It's the most prone to scope creep. The only time you're gonna get a decent space opera is if you write something else entirely then build a space opera setting around it afterwards.

>>25547110
Idk, lots of smut on AO3 and ScribbleHub. I'm writing it anyway, so might as well chuck it out there.

>>25547127
This. Peter F Hamilton does it best.
>invasion of the body snatchers and war with aliens
>sneaky alien invasion and mass abduction
>cop vs corrupt system and ancient alien tech causing problems needs to be shut down

It's obvious he starts with the plot structure first, then creates memorable characters, THEN adds the space opera setting last.

>>25546836
Dropping 0.5 stars is how you get banned from the platform

>>25547104
"This shit is straight ass I NEED to do it better" is a common motivation to start writing a genre lol

>Browse Webnovel, again
>"Who knows? Maybe some good came out?"

>Weakest Beast Tamer Gets All SSS Dragons
>Investing In My Three Crippled Wives Get 10,000x Times Return
>Investing in My Crippled Wife: Every Return Makes Me Stronger
>The Mech Touch (7,627 Chapters)
>Infinite Mana in the Apocalypse (5,788 Chapters?! Are you for real?! That premise got old in the first 100 chapters!)
>What Do You Mean I'm The Captain Of A Yandere Mercenary Company? (Futa protagonist)
>My Living Shadow System Devours To Make Me Stronger
>My Step-Daughters Are The Villainesses
>Starting With an SSS-Rank Goddess Summon!
>Reborn as the Genius Son of the Richest Family

>>25547306
Why did you have to list so much kino? Three items on this list were enough.

>>25547306
>What Do You Mean I'm The Captain Of A Yandere Mercenary Company? (Futa protagonist)
The reviews on this are hysterical
90% of them would be banned/deleted by RR admins

>>25547336
>This author strikes again specifically with more manbearpig or in other words, futa, content. Really the review is self evident…if you for whatever reason genuinely enjoy reading futa, treat this as a 5 star, because I treat it as lower than 0
Its a bit funny i guess

>Futa
Fat upper thigh area?

>>25547358
I probably found it especially funny since I'm used to RR's moderation strategy so seeing the nuclear meltdown wall of 1 stars all blatantly seething and insulting the author/lgbt content was hilarious

>>25547365
Female using testicular appendage

I should use AI to write a story just to see how easy (or hard) it really is. Has anyone here done that?

>>25547386
Yes, but it really is not worth it if you know how to write, you spend as much time fixing what it puts out and regenerating/guiding it as you would have if you just wrote the thing yourself. Except it's worse and still has a vague odor of AI
Of course, the thing is: most people CANT write and so AI is the better option. It's the same deal as with AI image gen. Most people can't draw and so if you want to create art, using AI is better than doing it yourself because otherwise you'd have stick figures or toddler drawings. But if you CAN draw, you get better, more unique output and you actually get what you want instead of what the model spits out.

>>25547386
It just generates schizo ramblings rather than a coherent story. The best use-case of AI if you really want to go down that path is probably to review what your wrote, fix typos, suggest improvements, and to bounce ideas off - you know, what a real person would do.

>>25547386
Don't listen to these responses, AI is progressing by the month and (if they've even tested AI at all) their experiences are probably a year out of date or more.
AI books are dominating Rising Stars and topping the LitRPG Amazon shelves, making 100k+ per book. AI Romance books are making millions despite Pangram detecting them, there's been mainstream drama about it.
The tech is already there, demonstrably.

>>25547465
It's funny, I saw this exact cope post half a year ago, a year ago, two years ago.

>>25547469
What cope? I hate that this is the state of art but what I said is factual. Have you looked at RS or the Amazon LitRPG shelf?

>>25547465
Sounds like paranoia to me. I've never seen a single case of definitive proof any used AI. All the detection tools are garbage.

>>25547477
There is no such thing as definitive proof, but AI writing is pretty obvious. You're just sticking your head in the sand.

>>25547475
They were generic slop long before AI. What you mistake for AI is just the usual trash writing for the genre.

>>25547479
> proof?
> trust me bro
kek

>>25547480
No, trash writing used to be trash. Now it's perfectly clean, professional prose with the stench of AI. It's obvious.
You guys just haven't been around long enough to remember what slop used to read like. Shit was not written with perfect grammar and varied word choice.
>>25547483
As I said, sticking your head in the sand.

>>25547490
> written with perfect grammar and varied word choice
oh no, it's the AI apocalypse!!

>>25547494
Yes, exactly. Again, that isn't how slop was produced before. And they all have the same punchy voice with AI-isms.

>https://www.amazon.com/Starter-Zone-Survivor-Survival-Progression-ebook/dp/B0H5NQP7VZ/

This is the highest entry on the litrpg shelf that isn't a long standing/famous book like DCC, Primal Hunter, etc. So the newest, current "big success".
Go read the sample. Even ignoring that Pangram flags the opening as 100% AI, read it yourself: it is obvious.
You all are just stuck in 2024/2025 and haven't realized how bad it's gotten.

>>25543363
>as good
Well, YOU will never write anything good because you're too invested in dogshit sloppa for coomer retards. Mushoku Tensei is the male equivalent of those books about minotaur milking. It's just a vacuous wish-fulfillment series for people who have no taste or desire for anything better.
>and as popular as Mushoku Tensei
It's popular for two reasons. First, because it's base. It appeals to the lowest common denominator. Think of things a 14-year-old boy or a manchild desires. It goes through all those urges like a checklist. Little kids and manchildren love dogshit wish-fulfillment series.
Second, and this is the part that's hard to replicate, is that it's anointed. There are plenty of series as base as MT and with similar "quality" levels. But normies are conformists. They'd rather disown their own family members than stray from consensus even 1%. So, they like it because it's popular. Popularity itself is the final arbiter of quality to a normie. And it's like using money to make money; popularity reproduces popularity because the average midwit will not disagree with consensus no matter what.

So, actual advice? Write wish-fulfillment, and when you advertise it, make sure you keep flattering existing series and readers, okay, make sure you maintain a fawning, obsequious, reddit circlejerk kind of tone, and basically just be a weasel with no self-respect until someone with institutional influence gives you a shout-out. At low levels, this could be as simple as a lesser YouTuber, or a mod on a subreddit willing to give you your cronyism rewards after you've sucked enough balls. Either way, your goal is to just get on the treadmill, because as soon as normies see other people praising you, that's really all they care about. Then your worthless dogshit series for empty faggots might eventually bloom just like Mushoku Tensei did.
You just need to have no self-respect long enough and hard enough.

>>25547528
>5 book series
>all 5 books posted within 1 month of each other
>book 1 has 1600 ratings, book 5 has 12 (TWELVE) ratings
that's insane
i mean it's still like 40-60k of profit straight to the author from book 1 but my god, i have never seen sub 1% retention across a series before, that is comical

>>25547542
realistically, the first book is probably heavily astroturfed and the actual profit is likely much lower
still, it's probably good money, 10k is a lot for a jeet or SEAmonkey

>>25547550
Amazon has pretty strong bot detection, I don't think it was astroturfed
you're overestimating the slophoggies and their utter disregard for quality. right tropes in title/summary? they're gonna read it and give free money to the author. it's how the ecosystem works
that said, they did figure it out eventually based on the retention, lmao

>>25547386
I use it to test out ideas by making it write a few sample chapters. But though it can give serviceable material, I just always lose interest in continuing when there's no personal thought or effort involved

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>>25547528
God it doesn't even make to 3 words before reading as AI. 10 if you somehow think the name was just coincidentally AI-sounding.