>>25544036
What a horrendous choice of image

>>25544039
>Why does the woman in this picture look so familiar? Because she’s meant to. Conceptual artist Christopher Williams’s work, usually produced by professional studios, often mimics 20th-century commercial, ethnographic, or architectural photographs. While deconstructing how such photographs continue to shape our present late-late-capitalist reality, the artist also deconstructs how they were made—here, by including a usually hidden Kodak tool. The photo’s subject is a model Williams chose using the criteria given in a casting call for Jacques Tati’s 1967 film Playtime. Her pose, open-mouthed smile, and towel-wrapped hair vividly recall bath soap ads of the 1960s and ’70s. In another nod to Kodak, the towel is the exact shade of the company’s signature yellow packaging. Despite, or perhaps because of, such extreme deliberation, the resulting artwork is as seductive as the advertisements that inspired it. —A.D.

source
https://www.artnews.com/list/art-news/news/100-best-artworks-21st-century-1234734225/christopher-williams-kodak-three-point-reflection-guide-1968-eastman-kodak-company-1968-meiko-laughing-vancouver-b-c-april-6-2005-2005/

figured it'd be an opportunity to explore and share some contemporary art.

>>25544039
>>25544040
>Like much of Christopher Williams’s work, Kodak Three Point Reflection Guide sends up the aesthetic conventions of photographic representation, in particular, advertising imagery. Here, Williams makes visible the typically hidden device of the Kodak color bar—the “Three Point Reflection Guide” of the title—used by photographers to measure the trueness of a color in an image. The picture was in fact taken by a professional photographer according to the instructions of the artist, who selected the model by following a casting call used by French filmmaker Jacques Tati for his 1967 film Playtime: "A girl about 20-25 years old, coy, a little awkward, but with intelligent eyes. . .most important is the reserved appearance, due to a good education." On first glance, this image appears to be a pristine, even sterile, commercial photograph, its model flashing the clean smile fetishized by contemporary advertising. However, upon closer inspection, the image gives the lie to its artificiality: the woman is slightly older than usual models, minor imperfections in her skin have not been retouched in post-production, and her bright yellow towel is a nod to Kodak’s signature color.

>>25544040
Contemporary art is fucking shit, as you have amply proven.

>>25544047
It does make me think, I gotta admit.

I just ate two frozen burritos and now I don't feel so good. Pray for me.

>>25544047
you can still make a culture out of shit. what we suffer from is an induced sterility.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&pp=0gcJCSQMAYcqIYzv&ra=m

>>25544039
i think it’d be interesting for OPs to be more imaginative, rather than boring abstract paintings or (christ!) photography. would like to see an aloof, apropos of nothing pic of something unrelated, a screenshot of the french open you saved for no reason, a random pic from your camera roll, a blurry photo you took that morning.

>>25544068
Some people do that. I prefer using them as an opportunity to expose people to art and artists. Even if you hate the one in OP, hey, at least you were exposed to and thought about it, and I think that's worthwhile.

You're either a bloody whisper or a smoldering ghost.

>>25544073
it circles back to something i said before about people thinking capital-C culture is about knowing the right stuff rather than how you relate to it. getting joan miro’s more well-known paintings in small doses through the /wyt/ is worse than not knowing him at all.

I farted on my finger as I am often wont to do so I could sniff it, I then ended up rubbing an itchy eye afterwards and got pink eye not 24 hours later, my eye swelled shut for about 48 hours.

>>25544047
>good art good cause... cause... looks good!
Child's understanding of aesthetics
>if I don't like it it cause... cause... it bad!
The idiot's veto
>>25544073
Thanks anon, I like this. Never heard of Christopher Williams before. Got anything else contemporary to show me?

>>25544094
play silly games win silly prizes

You either stand with the Dictator of Seatania as an equal under arms, or against what remains of your own fading humanity.

>>25544099
>good art good cause... cause... looks good!
Objectively correct. You're a midwit if you haven't figured this out by now. Exercises in technique, structuring, baroqueness, deconstruction, etc. are all just "looks good" for people with complex tastes. R2 contains every possible word and by definition is the most powerful, expansive literary work possible but you don't perceive it as such—why?

>>25544080
I mean you gotta know the stuff before you can relate to it, lol.

>>25544099
Glad to hear you like it! Peep this link,
https://www.artnews.com/list/art-news/news/100-best-artworks-21st-century-1234734225/anne-duk-hee-jordan-culo-de-papa-2021/

I think Christopher Williams is an idiot and his art is garbage and a joke

>>25544109
What's crazy is I'm pretty sure you can more easily make more money being a successful artist in today's world than you can a successful novelist or poet. Sell a couple paintings to some rich folks, that's a bigger paycheck than the lifetime sales of even some award-winning novels and poetry books.

>>25544108
which is why so many people return to shakespeare after being fed him distastefully at school?
the relationship can be with anything as long as the relationship is right. the power of judgement is more important than the knowledge, and will lead you the right way anyway, and judgement can only be formed organically. montaigne said judgement can do without knowledge: but not knowledge without judgement.

>>25544115
>which is why so many people return to shakespeare after being fed him distastefully at school?
Except this is /lit/. You'd expect people here to be open to, even interested, in contemporary culture and arts.

>>25544108
>100 best art
>half of it is critique of war in the middle east
>other half is techno-pessimism bs
ngl that shit all sucked ass, they didn't even include "him" by maurizio cattelan? but honestly contemporary art is bad like only two of those are anything u would want to live with, i know they want to inoculate against it being "decoration" but but then ur just making "investment grade art" for billionaires to put in storage which i'm sorry is trash.

>>25544120
why would you? because it’s the unanimous opinion? the point about culture is it’s not a thing you like (sorry, appreciate), it’s a part of you. you have some back and forth with it. not just this is the received wisdom and i hold it thusly, but more i like (parts of) joyce but dislike burroughs and agree with picasso that all photographers want to be painters and think ennius, not virgil, is the true great roman poet.

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>>25544036
>Anon, you'll like this person. They also like to read!
>oh cool, nice to meet you im anon, what are you reading
>Currently, I'm imbibing that mid 20th century forgotten classic that everyone's remembered, but that I never forgot, of course.
>nice, love that book, what do you think about it?
>I have many varied and striking cogitations prompted by this book, of course, as we all do, but mine are truly penetrating.
>ok, what are they?
>Here are my deeply considered thoughts on this book, which nobody is saying, and nobody could have said, because there is no one who's read this like I have, in conjunction with the thing I'm thinking about, of course.
>right, I've also read writing degree zero by barthes, I was more asking what you thought
>Truly and simply I presume you say that because you could not hope to understand my deeply considered reflections prompted by this act of staggering literacy that I have just given you. You must be a fascist or similar, of course.
>no, I just work in a coffeeshop and I read pdfs at night. I already know you're a phd student
>I would be utterly delighted to inform you that I study literature at an advanced level at a vaunted and storied institution, whose political actions I find detestable of course, but whose pedigree you must be jealous of, for the fact of the matter is that its reputation only burnishes this thing that you of course could not hope to comprehend, being as you are --
>in about ten seconds you'll tell me you're a marxist
> --how shall we say this, untutored in the ways and manners of this locution that is called literature. Moreover, I will now inform you that I am writing a groundbreaking dissertation on bodies being watched panoptically in upper-class spaces, being as I am a student and follower of the illustrious works of Karl Marx, whose name you are doubtless familiar with in a passing, pedestrian sense, imbibing as you do nonsense in the form of 'podcasts,' I presume --
>in about five seconds you'll namedrop and tell me you write for a few cultural crit magazines and pause, expecting me to go oh wowwwww
> --whose repressive, reactionary drivel only serves to pollute the organs of true culture, which I am in close contact with, as I am incessantly attending gallery shows like X, secret concerts held by cutting-edge artists like Y, and edgy parties in clubs whose passwords I hold dearly to my chest, of course. As I doubtless assume you do not know, I will inform you that I am a steady contributor to forums such as The Drift, and the Los Angeles Review of Books, and N+1, and the like: ...which constitute the last vanguard of the thing that we call culture, being as it is -- do tell, where are you going? It is reactionary and macroaggressive to walk away from me as I deign to impart upon you my ideations and hard-gained knowledges! Where are you going? I am improving you! I am improving you!
believe it or not, this conversation has happened to me more than twice

God I want to lick her tits and rip her throat out with my teeth.

>>25544104
>good art good cause... cause... looks good!
>Objectively correct.
There is so much out there that you would love but you'll never find because you're so invested in protecting your own self-image. Sad!
>>25544108
Thanks for the link, scrolling through it right now

how can people stand being long-winded

>>25544136
Again, not saying you have to like all contemporary art or books. But you should at least check them out.

>>25544137
One of the best posts I've read in years.

I pooped
I phone posted
So much poop
Hard at first and then wet
Like unclogging
Feel better

>>25544158
why should you? you should check out what you’re drawn to rather than what you’re lead to feel is necessary. da vinci once told his students to paint the cracks in their bedroom walls if lacking inspiration. because art doesn’t come from accumulated knowledge, but from looking.

There's no use being sad about it

>>25544173
Why should you care about art, about aesthetic expression created by those living in the same world you are? Seems self-evident to me. Particularly for people, like most on /lit/, who wish to experience the height of artistic experience, it's important to keep up with what's new and relates to our current times. One doesn't have to like it, of course, but to remain ignorant isn't worthy of a fully realized human being.

She made sure to grab a bottle of Evian so that I'd invert into "naive," to show that I was not in love with her but to the reflection of me that she presented.

>>25544178
>it's important to keep up with what's new and relates to our current times
this frame of mind is more suited to (say) engineering than the arts. a bad education is worse than no education. at least with no education it’s easier to keep your integrity. what use is knowledge if there is no understanding?
montaigne again:
> Now, we are not merely to stick knowledge on to the soul: we must incorporate it into her; the soul should not be sprinkled with knowledge but steeped in it. And if knowledge does not change her and make her imperfect state better then it is preferable just to leave it alone.

>>25544184
But how could you know what's bad if you don't ever explore it...? Furthermore, seems rather closeminded to suggest no one living today is capable of creating anything worthwhile. Yeah, I'm done with this conversation. Have a good one.

>>25544147
>That you would love
This is equivalent to "that I perceive as good". That's my point. I have no self image—I'm fat white trash that listens to Lana del Rey and Бaтюшкa, Merzbow and Bach. My favorite painters are of the Hudson School and the surrealists. Today I read some poems from John Donne, a section of Hamlet, and the latest chapter of Gifted on Royal Road. I'm 2openminded5u.

There are patterns, structures, and some glimmer of eternity within the part of our selves that perceives—and therefore creates—art. But modern and postmodern autofellation is as autistic and myopic as every other stratified moribund tradition it decries.

Fuck I wish I wasn't retarded. This post should be 1/3 the length and 10 times as meaningful.

>>25544148
It's easier. I just dump my brainstate. I really need to stop.

>>25544189
by your power of judgment. worth remembering genius is a latin (not greek) word and implied the primitive creative power which a man is born with and accompanies him throughout life. his sense of love and power of instinctive thought.
>seems rather closeminded to suggest no one living today is capable of creating anything worthwhile
is that what i said?

>>25544196
You're fortunate I'm charitable, so instead of suggesting the majority of your posts are utter nonsense with non sequitur references, I'll instead lay the blame on the medication I take in that the brain fog it causes is somehow preventing me from understanding the content of your posts.

I fucking HATE Enigma. Absolutely fucking DOGSHIT music.

Busy old fool, unruly sun

You said that if you wanted to paint me you wouldn’t ask my permission. You think everything belongs to you.

>>25544201
your jibes are so weak it’s hurting my stomach, but i’ll parry: what good has all the good writing you’ve read done you if it comes down to
>Yeah, I'm done with this conversation. Have a good one.
sort of riposte you might hear on /v/ or something, no? but as you pointed out we’re on /lit/, why not display in your talk all the learning rather than just your choice of OP image? almost like it all means nothing personal to you.

>>25544222
Again, not sure what you're even saying or what I'm supposed to reply to this with.

>>25544226
could be an executive function issue on your end then. what’s your first language? i could rewrite it in passable french

Men in dresses aren’t actually women finally

To the bro dude pal who told me to please leave because the only book I read in the past two years is a Star Trek book: I’m back.

Trying too hard > Not trying at all > Not trying hard at all

>>25544230
back once again with the ill behaviour

>>25544230
But why frequent a board named /lit/erature if you don't read? And even further, hang out in the thread meant for readers of books to expel excess creative energy and stray, wandering thoughts?

>>25544243
I have read a lot in the past but I have an eye injury I can’t recover from.

>>25544246
lmfao are you this anon >>25544094

People like me and I’m not an lolcow but I’ve embarrassed myself textually.

>tfw patrician gf says I have two(2!) days to memorize the first stanza of Paradise Lost or we're DONE
O_O

Of Man’s first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree whose mortal taste
Brought death into the World, and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater Man
Restore us, and regain the blissful seat,
Sing, Heavenly Muse...

>>25544246
Hmm, fine, I'll give you a pass
*hands you a gilded bookmark*
but you see my point, right? The only thing that keeps this thread from outright becoming /r9k/ is that it's for people who read books, which raises the average IQ and therefore quality of posts.

>>25544104
>Exercises in technique, structuring, baroqueness, deconstruction, etc. are all just "looks good" for people with complex tastes.
Are we supposed to wank over the stuff like that here on /lit/? Isn’t Reddit more fitting place for that?

>>25544253
I’ll pick something up here and there but I can’t get pretty far usually.

>>25544255
IDK, it seems the heart of academic literary criticism and is certainly the main gimmick of litfic. It's not a bad thing it just isn't as transcendental as people think.

>>25544253
very reddit-coded, this.

>>25544120
>You'd expect people here to be open to, even interested, in contemporary culture and arts.
Unless they stay here so that they have something to help avoiding the modern culture at all costs

>>25544266
On the contrary, /lit/ is just its own facet of modern culture and life. And considering the amount of aspiring writers we have here... yeah, contemporary books and arts are important.

>>25544265
*Bends over and goatses my asshole at you*

>>25544277
ah, i must be on the high iq board.

>>25544277
>>25544282
This gave me the chuckles for a good fifteen seconds.

>>25544269
But given that anon will avoid spending time on something that haven’t proved it’s worth yet it’s important in general as an abstract concept somewhere else

>>25544099
“look at this, good (or bad), isn’t it?’ is what a great deal of criticism comes down to. only with certain artists, it’s easier to seem to be saying more.

of course if you have no judgement, no ability to see a work as it really is, you spend your time groping for guidelines like what critics have said or might say about it, what class it seems to fall into, where it seems to be aiming, whether its style strikes you as normal or not, above all whether it can be called important or not - which is far easier to decide than whether the thing is any good or not.

>>25544269
kingsley amis once said importance isn’t important, good writing is.

>>25544291
>But given that anon will avoid spending time on something that haven’t proved it’s worth yet
This is the root of avoiding contemporary literature for many /lit/ anons I suspect; their greatest fear is to read a new novel, declare it either amazing or shit, only for posterity to disagree with them. It'd be like one of those critics who dismissed Joyce or Nabokov. So better to stick with the canon and its periphery, where they knew they are allowed to enjoy whatever they come across.

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>>25544282
At first they are like “We’re practicing gentle approach, we don’t force shit upon themselves”, and now they are like “No, we absolutely do because it’s contemporary and provides an important commentary bla-bla-bla”. I cannot keep up with them shifting the paradigm on a whim while I was asleep.

>>25544297
You don’t have to like classics, but it’s good to be aware of them regardless, so that your time and effort is not wasted one way or another.

>>25544249
Hope your affairs are in order, bucko.

Conversations with my mother, no matter how complex or in-depth they happen to become, will never be anything more than me kicking in the womb.

>>25544299
jokers. i think you replied to the wrong post though.

>>25544302
mais je hay par sur tout un scavoir pedantesque.

>>25544036
AI overtakes everything, yet I feel more like writing than ever before. It's as if every line I write is a rebellion against a future I cannot cope with.

>>25544355
And they say Persona is a fake video game plot that's not real.

japanese markets are closed for old people's respect day or some shit what the hell

"There is admittedly an incredible mystique to meddling in the reason a city won't sleep."

I don't know what exactly he found in the New York, but I feel it to be something worthy of a thought.

https://youtu.be/M3-jUbkZwRI?is=cpxwzaMhRoCh17up

9:33, right on time.

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The first time when I went abroad was when my family and I went to Prague for my birthday. That was probably one of the best experience in my life, and I long for it.

>>25544099
>good art good cause... cause... looks bad!
Contrarian's understanding of aesthetics.
>if I like it it cause... cause... it good!
Retard's delight

You go to /lit/. You go to /gif/. You open a porn thread, then a gore thread. You go to /pol/, you get called a faggot, then a nigger, then a faggot again. You go to /lit/ again, no replies to your retarded post. You go to /fit/. You go to /x/. You go to /lit/ again, no replies. You go to /gif/. You open a porn thread, then a gore thread. You go to /lit/...

>>25544395
This is why I just stay on lit

>>25544395
man those ukraine war videos in /pol/ are fucking hell like ww1 level awful, no way americans could handle a war that brutal

>>25544396
/lit/ is so dead i now go on /biz/ cuz there are some smart people on there tho of course many tards and shills

>>25544395
You can tighten this shit up if you cut out /pol/. Seems like a pointless part of the loop.

>>25544395
I go to /b/, then /gif/, /v/, /vrpg/, /lit/, /pol/, and lastly /tg/, then I log the fuck off of 4chan for that day.

>>25544400
America fought in WW1, dipshit.

>>25544409
oh ya i peep /vrpg/ occasionally

>>25544411
Point being, you can't stay here, anon. This place will kill your soul. It's like alcohol. Have some. Have some every day if you like. But never have so much that you cannot stop even though it's hurting you. Log the fuck off buddy, and stay off until the same time tomorrow.

>>25544410
yeah back then they didn't have twitter of people in trenches getting blown into chunks of meat, also u may have noticed america is ugh somewhat less rugged than it was in like 1917 or whenever we entered the war.

mack weldon shit is honestly not bad

I teach a subject that is by any reasonable metric useless to students who don't give a damn and I don't even get paid very much for it. I like Latin very much but at some point one must admit that middle-schoolers don't get anything out of having it as a mandatory subject and perhaps a single-digit number of students will go on to use it in any capacity after they graduate.
Is it even possible to find meaning in this profession?
Anyways. I'm feeling a lot like emma bovary right now. I'm whispering to myself saying "who are you? You could be so much more. You could leave all this behind and find full catharsis and glory and love. Take the train a few states away."
It's a deceptive message but I really do wonder if this is all life is and if I'm doomed to this mediocrity. This job will be my fort bastiani if I let it.

>>25544036
I really hate when people use the word "bodies" as a substitute for "person". It is a very disgusting linguistic habit. "Their odies" "Queer bodies". Deleuze&Guattari wrote like superstitious temple rats.

Evoked an image of eyeless, brainless, squelching things tossing around a partially flooded factory floor. Good riddance.

>>25544474
Biopower, baby!

>>25544474
Yeah I always figured it was an attempt to 1984-away the idea of the soul. It's a big reason why I've banned myself from reading those authors.

>Evoked an image of eyeless, brainless, squelching things tossing around a partially flooded factory floor.
The paradise of materialist utilitarians: Penumbral extinction.

>>25544166
cannot fucking stand people like this and the "literary world" is fucking filled with them. the transparent insecurity, the relentless sweaty striving, it's disgusting

>>25544516
Haha yeah. I too have myriad thoughts on those types of people, insights that are brilliant and probe into the depths of the psychological foundations of such pompous individuals, however they're probably best saved for an celebrated and esteemed publications I regularly contribute too, rather than this ragged assemblage of undoubtedly fascist barbarians you call 'home'

>>25544137
What's the best intro to the theory and practice of photography that isn't just 200-300 pages of boilerplate third and fourth hand Hegel and Heidegger and Marx?

>an celebrated
>contributed too
Is it autism to get baited by this?

>>25544415
Not that anon, but my life is already wasted and I don’t have anything else about it anyways so let it burn. People say you need to reduce the doomscrolling to better yourself, but I don’t see the point. What for do I need to care for it?

>>25544539
based, don't deny the doom embrace the doom

>>25544533
I'm lit, chill

and changed my word choice multiple times

>>25544533
>>25544551
and can I jsut say the fact I made some errors and it nullifies the effort in making an amusing post bums me out

Internet atheism is the seldom acknowledged missing link between 9/11 and and the culture wars of the 2010s that are still raging to this day.

>>25544560
Intriguing. Speak on that.
*holds microphone to your face*

>culture war is when banana in ass guy
>and and
man

>>25544563
That banana singlehandedly destroyed western civilization.

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony God's blessing, but because I am enlightened by my own intelligence.

You have to be very intelligent to understand Rick and Morty.

Lambchop is one of the best bands of all time

The narwhal bacons at midnight.

Job status?

Fedoras are awesome.

End the day with Schubert's masterpiece for the piano, Piano Sonata No. 21, D.960; you might recognize the melody in the main theme!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAZ8PA5_gVA

>>25544527
>theory of photography
suspicious that you know I like photography. how do you know this? but I liked "Beauty in Photography" by Robert Adams quite a lot even though I disagree with most of it. most "photo theory" says the same shit over and over again in my experience, occasionally there's slight variations and you pick up something interesting but most of it is anxious handwringing in a theory-accent
>>25544526
Please, do tell me your ineluctable thoughts on that which cannot be explained or stated but merely gestured at, it would do so much to illuminate this horrific place

Twink tummy

>>25544586
I didn't ask you specifically, the thought of looking for such a thing just crossed my mind as I read your post dunking on people smugly pontificating in vapid academicese that they treat rather more like magical incantations than words with meaning.

Either way, thanks.

You know, by the way, what's extra funny about westerners trying to come off like hipsters for reading early to mid-last century fiction from Central and Eastern Europe, like you touch on early on? It's never the actually cool shit. They will suck off Krasznahorkai (perhaps not so much since he got the Nobel because, after all, the point is to be into something obscure) but won't be able to tell you who Mészöly was. They'll go, "Ah, I'm reading Márai (or Nádas), you know, the superior Thomas Mann" but you will never catch them reading Németh László or Szabó Lőrinc or Weöres or Mándy Iván, etc. basically it's sorta like if non-Americans bragged about reading Raymond Carver instead of Henry James.

>>25544575
Having coffee at the office. Going to start off by doing some exercises in French.

>>25544040
weird i thought it was christy turlington

>>25544036
Retard end of the bell curve: the incels are right and I have to looksmaxx and I hate stacy and

Midwit middle of the bell curve: the incels are deeply misogynistic and nothing they say is correct and they're embittered and angry and lonely and dangerous and

Genius end of the bell curve: two things true at once, they're deeply misogynistic and basically everyone thinks they're right

reading Dickens and I really really am enjoying it

The Island of Doctor Death And Other Stories is very good.

We are raised not to trust the judgment of our instincts because people in power know instincts are far harder to deceive than any other means of perceiving and understanding the outside world that we have.

>all this talk of preparing for a new world war in europe
looks like her analysis was dead on the money once again

there's a bookshelf on sale on amazon for cheap right but it says the shelves each hold 20 pounds that uh doesn't seem like a lot

2 hours of sleep, I don't know how they expect me to work and pay attention

>>25544632
I decided to pick one chapter from PP as a kind of in-between read, you win

I need to learn to suspend my judgement more around healthy people.

>>25544844
damn i gooned so much all weekend i couldn't sleep got like 4 or 5 hours at most now i have a headache and i have to like do stuff at work today unlike normally which is annoying

recommend me the most slammin bookshelves i can get delivered to my condo in a box

>>25544844
>>25544863
I was pretty good with my going to bed time yesterday, but today I somehow woke up at 4 AM and here we are

The best way to gain control of the most intelligent powerful species on the planet would be to completely divide them from the love within themselves. As soon as they are old enough to begin creating and understanding who they are. Force them into a system that teaches them that it is wrong to be yourself if yourself is different from what is accepted as normal. Confuse them about their own biological makeups so that they think that permanently altering their bodies is the answer to happiness. Require their daily attendance at an institution that makes them focus only on the information that is provided. Make them attend that institution from age 5 until an adult and repeatedly test them on the information so that it becomes their truth. Give them an explanation to everything so that they never have a chance to make their own assumptions of the world. Scold them and humiliate them if they suggest an opinion that opposes that of their authorities he reminding them of how cruel their ancestors were to each other in the past and broadcast how cruel they are to each other in the present. Only show them tragedies on the news so that they live in fear and think the worst of one another. Convince them that their species used to be that of an Incognizant wild animal make them think they're very existence is so incredibly random that they lack purpose and struggle to make sense of a creator. Tell them that their kind is as smart as they've ever been so that they don't question the integrity of the system that they're in. Provide them idols with artificial beauty and use them as examples of what it is to look perfect so that they are never content with their own appearance and can't help but to compare themselves amongst each other. Create addictive digital platforms that rank them by numbers so that base their self-worth off of the amount of followers that they have and are never satisfied.

Thanks God this board is anonymous! I could’ve embarrassed myself by so many occasions!

>>25544148
i know yeah

Today I saw two younger girls talking about Odyssey looking at the poster of the movie in the bookstore. And it got me thinking that they would never get interest in it if it weren't adapted and the cinema is such a phenomenal medium even to this day.

>>25544137
Seeing pompous fucks like this verbally or physically assaulted by dumb apes makes my peepee hard. I'm not saying it's right, but cool always wins. Books are gay, nerd. Brawn over brains will always fuck the girl. Gaston was the chad. Arnold is the king. Tyrone is in fashion.

Life With Feathers (1945) is the funniest cartoon ever made

>>25545022
you clearly haven’t seen family guy

>>25545033
The sad part is that there’s stuff in that old Warner bros children’s cartoon that family guy probably can’t even get away with now. The whole short is about suicide, which is apparently the least friendly-to-advertisers thing on earth nowadays

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I used to be very woman positive—since I was raised by a great single mom—that was, until I started interacting with the other sex on a daily basis. Suffice to say: my views have changed a lot.

>>25544137
Amazing work. I intuit that you too are an inmate of that imperial metropole vulgarly designated The Big Apple hrrm hrrm.

>>25545040
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/67ae9cb4-d270-471e-82f5-1b65ee57f742

>>25545067
>pic
i feel like this is its own kind of mommy issue.

>>25545040
Isn’t that fascinating how riches get to dictate what is appropriate now, instead of actual society as a whole.

>>25545122
If his mom opposes limitless mass migration and abortions as health care, she's already better than 99% of modern women.

here i am crying about my ex e-gf again
i was weak and checked out her facebook. She turned 25 and the wall is real. She's all bogged down, tattooed and all. Got the fake hair colour and some weird semi duck face going on. I'm fucking devastated, she was mega cute just 2 years ago. Now its all ruined and gone forever. Also, she's back from REDACTED i guess the marriage didn't work out. Now she's doing some odd jobs back home- i immediately estimated her as stupid back then, but i always thought she'd figure out a way, even just with her looks. Turns out she didn't. Also, her stupidity was kinda funny to me, i thought it was cute and that she was pretending to be stupid. Turns out she wasn't.
I dunno what to think of it all. I just wish she wasn't bogged down right now. Wish she was cute. The wall isn't even that bad (for her) physically, it's the psychological part that ruins them with bad decisions looks-wise any everything else-wise

>>25545134
this was painful to read

>>25545145
why? just give me any input, i can't talk about this with my dad cause we don't have that kind of relationship, and i also don't have any friends really to talk about it. it's too embarassing to talk about with my friends

>>25545134
>>25545148
Why are you crying about her, when you're not even in a relationship anymore AND she was/is married to someone else? Why do you care? This is cuckold behavior; let go, Anon.

>>25545155
im not crying literally man. why do i care? cause that was the closest i've ever been to getting laid, that's why i care. and i don't see it happening anytime soon so i guess in the back of my mind i thought i could somehow link up in the future with her, but i guess it's not happening.

>>25545158
So you were hoping for sloppy seconds? Stop it, Anon. Just stop. I don't know you, but I'm certain you can do better.

>>25545134
The modern world and its pernicious influences are rough to women.

>>25545161
i mean should i aim for finding a virgin gf? how realistic is that in this day and age, considering i also don't want some batshit jehova's witness or whatever? i'd have to aim for 18-20 bracket, do you even realize how retarded those women are?
is that what you meant as sloppy seconds, non virgin?
the whole point was that i was sad cause she's walled up now so now i dont want her. I just wish she picked me back then.

>>25545161
texting your ex always a bad idea, but at least it clears the air. by the sounds of it that anon should’ve confessed a while ago, even if there was no chance, just so it doesn’t grow inside to something more unhealthy (feels like he’s a step beyond a wholesome ‘i still want my ex’).

>>25545169
>i mean should i aim for finding a virgin gf?
You should aim for a girl who wasn't just married and was apparently also your ex.

>>25545173
I confessed to her that i love her back then. She went "Oh" and that was basically it, thats when she started being distant and soon after ghosted me. So i took my shot back then. Also
>>25545174
I dont even know for sure she was married. Just saw some photos that looked like a wedding dress, even if she was it was for like 2 years tops

One of my favorite things to do in the morning right after I've taken my medicine is give myself a hard-on and sit with it as long as possible before the drug takes effect, killing my sex drive and stiffy with it, not to be seen again for at least ten hours.

>>25545183
>I confessed to her that i love her back then. She went "Oh" and that was basically it, thats when she started being distant and soon after ghosted me
let go bro. Pay for an AI chatbot GF or something, anything's better than this.

>>25545205
>let go bro
I did let go bro. Im letting go. I havent thought about her in years but i've been leading more active lifestyle lately and i guess it made me less schizoid and more normal( and horny)
>Pay for an AI chatbot GF
I will never do that, i despise AI and especially social relationships with AI

>>25544036
People who accuse Liberation Theology of being a KGB op grind my gears a little. Mostly because nearly all of them are Tradcaths.

>>25545230
Without knowing any of the specifics here, Russia's psyops are well-represented in the right-wing, religious space, anon. Which is to say, "they're tradcaths!" isn't a sound rebuttal because that's exactly the kind of thing Russia likes to fund and support in order to destabilize the West.

>>25545230
And there is just as much evidence for modern traditional catholicism being a CIA operation as there is for Liberation Theology being a KGB one. You can't delegitimize your opponents using the evil bolshevik atheists as a cudgel if your folks get funded by the Freemasonic satanists.

>>25545233
Once again, CIA represents the good guys, 'KGB' (aka GRU/SVR) represents the bad guys. Easy choice for me.

>>25544410
Only as a guest.

>>25545218
no you did not
you're crying and bitching a girl that doesn't even know of your existence and which you didn't even fuck to begin with

>>25545183
and you’re still looking at her fb and crying years later? are you drunk?

>>25545232
Well, funny that. Because I am talking about the Soviet Union here, not the modern Russian Federation.
>>25545236
I'm complaining about the bare-faced hypocrisy of Catholics who delegitimize Lib-Theo on the basis of it being supported by forces hostile to Catholicism while being in a more or less equivalent position.

>>25545240
>a girl that doesn't even know of your existence
Thats a stretch
>>25545243
Im very lonely. Especially with girls.
>are you drunk?
No, I dont drink. It makes me fat and it makes me smoke wayyyy too much, and im trying to cut smoking. Also, if i drink too much i get weird and embarassing cause i never worked up the tolerance for drinking as an adolescent

>>25545218
>I did let go bro. Im letting go
Evidently not, else you wouldn't be talking at lengths about her here.

>>25544036
Courageous, but only when it is necessary; shrewd by preference; he is silver-tongued, and any unwary person who listens to his pleadings is seduced.

>>25545253
You dont know how not letting go looks. It could be much much worse. Watch that greek movie about that

Hopefully my brain is fixed today. I haven't been able to read this whole weekend.

>>25545252
how old are you honestly?

>>25545252
>Thats a stretch
it isn't if you haven't even met her in real life

not sure what scciphernia is but i had a similar experience when 117 years old for three months i would hear random non stopping annoying sounds louuder on my left ear

>>25545308
when you get to that sort of age what do you expect

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>>25545265
I'm 32
>>25545268
So you're here on a monday afternoon? Are you telling me you got nothing better to do on a monday afternoon?
What about the water bottle? It slipped outta my hand...it came right outta my hand im telling you...
Also, Kokkinakis banged your girlfriend, sorry to tell you that bro

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>>25545308
Hi, Ethel, big fan! Didn't know you browsed /lit/.

>>25545323
>So you're here on a monday afternoon
not everyone lives in the same timezone nigger, it's 10:36 for me
>I'm 32
pathetic

tryna get based. finna get maced.

>>25545350
well everyone moves at their own pace, dunno what to tell you. if it's pathetic to you, that's fine i guess. lots of people here are in their 30s that never even kissed a girl, and I did. Did it somehow level me up? Did I gain something with that or did I lose more than I gained with that? I dunno and neither do you.

>>25545399
nta but i believe an old english playwright had a line about better to have loved and lost.

>>25545169
>I just wish she picked me back then.
One question: do you specifically want her to be with you ever since you’ve last seen her, so that she’s probably prevented from downfall (or not - you could’ve eventually become that ex that sent her spiraling in lieu of her ex husband, just saying), or you feel personally hurt she’s chosen other guy? Second sounds easier to come to terms with.

>>25545414
i dont care bro.
i dont care what the old english playwright said. some of us are too sensitive so regular callousness needed to survive a dealing with a modern woman is too much to ask. It's like to be successful with women these days you gotta try and fail and try until you don't feel anything towards a new woman. If you don't feel anything then they like you. You can also survive breakups easily. So those types don't even love. And are successful with women, that's nuff said.
I don't even want to build up that tolerance cause it feels like something unholy and wrong.
Also, that line implies someone lived his whole life not loving ( a woman). But there are lots of things to love in this world, art, nature, first and foremost God. God's love you cannot lose, so it's superior to loving a woman. The only life that's wasted is a life in which you do not love anything.

damn, new Lambchop album is pretty dissapointing

>>25545429
i dont even understand the first option. It's not a "downfall" or whatever. Every woman ages, she's fine, probably. I dont want her to be with me ever since i've last seen her, i barely think about her, only on rare occassions where its more intense so i need to vent. If I went to meet her i'd drop my spaghetti anyways.
I know why she chose the other guy. Money. And convenience. And other unrelated things like culture interests, she's very interested in that guy's nation's culture. There's nothing to come to terms with, it's a reality of life, women are gonna women and you either adapt or you gain wizard powers

>>25544036
"I want to debate controversial topics!", I say, unaware that all I'm going to do is slapfight with some professional mass debater who has spent the last fifteen years screaming at people over this and will simply talk past you while throwing an ocean of garbage.
Alas, unfortunately in civilized society those topics are illegal to talk about.

>>25545443
>i dont even understand the first option
Mind you, you are talking to an aspiring writer with English as target language.

My point is, you are probably not missing her as a person in your life. Maybe you just hurt she’s chosen some other guy over you. What I’m trying to say is that maybe she’d never been a right person for you, even in her “cute” phase - why bother now then. She was not right for you then, she’s not right for you now, what does it matter how her life turned.

>>25545435
not afraid to dump your purse out on 4chan, eh?
& i was being tongue in cheek it’s a very famous quote from shakespeare. goes without saying i think your thinkpiece on people who are lucky in love (& love in general) is off the mark but that’s to be expected. there’s a brief and informative bit in the rubaiyat that claims that a man in the arms of a woman is as close to god as he is ever likely to be this side of the grave.

>>25545461
yeah, you're right. thanks. it doesn't matter. she wasn't right for me.
finally someone who's not all up in my ass whenever i talk about women problems here

Love is not kindly nor yet grim
But does to you as you to him.
Whistle, and Love will come to you,
Hiss, and he fades without a word,
Do wrong, and he great wrong will do,
Speak, he retells what he has heard.
Love never leaves an unpaid debt,
He will not pardon nor forget.

>>25544036
I have a bunch of these Kodak photo color references saved on my computer. It's really odd to me that something like this is the OP pic.

I’ve added some fake birthday date to receive a discount coupon, but it’s not coming though. What’s the fuck, where’s my coupon?!

>>25545575
reported to fbi

>>25544036
Oh mighty internet will you listen to my pleading?

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>>25545594
NO

>>25545594
Shoot

>>25545598
i forgor

"You're very profound, dad, but c'mon, let's go play video games."

You're right, kid. Bark bark.

>>25545097
Nah, I just visit sometimes because I have friends who live there. They introduce me to their friends. Those people are always surprised when someone like me knows how to read.

>>25545626
One morning, when Gregor Samsa woke from troubled dreams, he found himself transformed in his bed into a shaggy mutt.

>>25544036
Today, my father told me he thinks I have brain damage, from birth. I am not quite sure how I am reacting to this. But it certainly explains some things about how the old man treats me.

I'm mostly just laughing nervously. To no one in particular.

Am tired of all repetition in this tongue. Why should preceed every "am" with an "I", if knowest how to conjugate verb?
Will be change I want in world, although it crushes my heart how much apathy is given to language.

>>25545695
Now you speak like the mixed child of recent Russian and Neanderthal migrants into the United States.
Not aesthetically pleasing, thinks I.

>>25544137
This reads like a mean parody until you find yourself in this situation and then you realize it's just true. So many people don't enjoy reading or thinking as much as they enjoy how reading or thinking make them feel better than other people.

>>25545695
>some1 speaks language X
>no personal preferences, stylistic additions, etc.
>just plain X from their region and time 1:1
what can we do to promote self-agency in language, anons? C'mon, at least pen a compound noun like rainshade to brag about how cooler it is compared to that latin or greek loan. How people actually despise these and find them nothing but a nuisance is beyond me

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>>25545723
For most people, all you are doing is pointlessly complicating the craft of communication. Language is the device used by humans to convey information to other humans, and to most it never will be something more.
I've ocassionally invented by own stupid little words. But that's because I'm perennially alone and no one seems to understand me anyway. Not in the emo way, I mean it literally. Sometimes people don't parse the things I say.

>>25545707
thinkest so because dropped the definite articles as well. Furthermore, know not how to style english in a given period of time; maybe should read Shakespeare to fix it; for example, used thou (conjugation) without other words from that pronoun's time.

>>25545737
share your craft, fellow tonguelore enjoyer

>>25544036
A funny thing about the Vatican Museums is that to exit the fucking thing they force you to go through the philately museum. You are not missing the pope's stamp collection, whether you care about it or not!

>>25545730
>words grow richer by daily use
I avoid all semantic shifts in my mother tongue btw
>artificially bred words
can be just as good if you are willing to interpret the morphology of every word instead of mapping a semantic unit to a syntactic unit

test

I wish to ascend to a point where I could be considered truly free, where I no longer work for money, but have my money work for me.

>>25545858
All I have to do is outlive my uncle and I’ll get that life handed to me. He has no children and a monster portfolio. I’m set to inherit 1/4 of his estate, which is many millions

>>25545760
you’d have to be insensitive to the emotional quality of words and their associative subtleties if you use them as weights and counters rather than chemicals powerful in combination

I'm starting to feel somewhat nauseous, like everything in reality is disconnected from everything else. My thoughts don't even feel like they're forming into anything cohesive.

>>25545893
Maybe I am, but there's elegance to it:

turn something? vert
turn something against? controvert
that thing you just did? controversion
what does it pertain to? controversive
if it were an office? controversary

>emotional quality of words
kek

>today is my anniversary
no, today is your anniverse, not a worker or field pertaining to your annual verse. This, my friend, is perfection. Word subtlety what?

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when you speak, you are always speaking to yourself

you have a front row seat to all of your speeches

you listen to every word you say

you are always talking to yourself

how you speak affects how you feel

are you speaking with a warm heart filled with kindness and compassion?

>>25545908
feel the breath flow
see the sights come and go

>>25545942
boorish. a word derived purely by rule means exactly what its parts predict and nothing more.

>>25545954
>a word derived purely by rule means exactly what its parts predict
As it should be. As it should be.

>>25545978
every word carries a long history of usage with it, and combines creatively with thousands of others all along its line. poets are always thinking about words. they don’t want the thing that means only what it logically should.

i'm about to order some bookshelves from amazon, recommend me ur best shelves and i'll consider them before i order

Yet another person, this time someone who lives a few blocks away but whose house and street I always pass by on my walks, stopped me and asked, "do you walk everyday?" Can't tell if this is good or bad. I guess good because my good looks encouraged them to remember me and stop me. Bad because how much of a no life must I have for them to notice me that much and say something about it, lol. She was an older milf. Really great ass. And her daughter is smokin'. Maybe I can parlay something into that.

I named my penis Stonewall Jackson, and my son decided to name his Tecumseh Sherman, which I figured to be nothing more than a childish challenge to my authority.

Starting on DeLillo's White Noise. The first fifteen pages or so are perfectly written, wow. Every word is marvelously sculped for its purpose: music, satire, characterization, color.

>>25546032
white noise shows postmodern shit doesn't have to be a chore

>>25546058
Excuse the tangent: what's funny is the internet era provides the perfect vehicle for the kind of maximalist, encyclopedic novels postmodernists loved writing, yet because they wore it out, that style is passé, tired, and, to be frank, in our ADHD era, a chore.

>>25546068
on the other hand i feel insulted by these books with like 2 page long chapters clearly designed to appeal to adhd addled scroll addicts

>>25546071
Next month The New Yorker is publishing my short story composed of five tweets, a reddit thread (with a AI tl;dr summary at the beginning, of course), and a link to a YouTube Short.

>>25546025
Chatting up your neighbors while they walk by is one of the most normal things any person from any time period in history could possibly do. You are a few more loner walks away from being invited over for hamburgers and watching the game. (Provided you are not lying about your looks)

>>25545946
inner voices are for sissies.

>>25546082
Hmm, yeah, you're right. One neighbor once offered me a ride when they drove by me walking home one time, and another offered me some ice cream. I declined both.

I need to have sex, I don't know how others get it. I'm often told I'm good looking, funny, and have people flock to me, yet somehow, I don't know how to actually get to fucking. Why can''t I get just one fuck?

>>25546089
Have you tried talking to women?

Anyone wanna join me tomorrow on the journey to and from my methadone clinic to get my refills? We'll be riding multiple busses for a total of three hours. Better bring a book. Maybe one poetry and one novel like I do. It'll be fun!

i haven't felt lonely in the 5+ years i lived with my current roommate, but before this i used to be another one of these sad sack internet dudes that's all depressed and shit, i hope that doesn't come back now that i will be living alone. i never even talk to her, but it's just nice to have someone there. this kind of sucks.

>>25546102
wouldn't it be easier to just score some fent in the hood?

>>25546108
Yeah, I miss having one of my best buds as a roommate.

>>25546089
you dont date womens. many such cases

>>25546109
As I so often tell my counselor at the clinic, when I'm on that stuff, I don't do any reading or writing. That was primary impetus for me to get on methadone. Since being on this stuff, I'm consistently reading more than I have since I was last fully sober in high school! If it wasn't for literature, I would just keep abusing street narcotics until I died, yeah, because what else is there to live for? I find purpose in the pleasure of reading and the power of writing.

>>25546119
yeah i feel u literature is the only really fulfilling thing in life

Hopefully my brain returns to a state where it feels secured by flesh, because even though I enjoy having awareness scrape my mind as if a knife to bone, it's not so pleasurable to deserve the permanency its intensity suggests.
I suppose this is a sign to not corrode my nerves with drugs, but does not serve to dissolve my dream to view life from the crooked verge of death.

https://youtu.be/qsHuDm7yGQc?is=GCNRpj-Qht_F9By9

>>25546102
https://youtu.be/im9VFD4NiW0

hmm i think maybe i will go for a walk and smoke some weed, probably make me feel like shit, but idk i just need to chill out

>>25546085
thoughts and feelings are for everyone

>>25546089
orgasms are all the same

impermanent and ultimately unsatisfying

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>>25546134
>ultimately unsatisfying
That scene in Mailer's novel An American Dream when the main character cums inside the foxy blonde love interest and says, "Shit, so that's what it's all about."

>>25546132
Neither one requires an inner voice.

https://www.apexbookcompany.com/blogs/apex-magazine/the-bathhouse-for-long-life I think this story is the embodiment of what I hate about a lot of contemporary writing: it's captain planet but in a literary setting.

1. It's dialectic idea driven. That's fancy speak for instead of writing an essay about the experience (like say https://aeon.co/essays/italianness-is-a-state-of-travelling-in-both-directions, which I liked) it's so simple minded about what it wants to do. Men are invaders, violating woman's autonomy, while women aren't. I thought it was weird that it opened with magic abortion and contraption, but now I realized it: the point was to remove men from the equation with contraption, and stop their mistake from abortion.

2. No wrinkles. Let's go back 1. about the contraption and abortion. Why is it we don't see anyone who was pregnant from the magic also going back for an abortion? It is such a weird thing to point out, but it's symbolic of the issue: people don't change their mind, don't have contradictions, don't even have moral failings. The spider mom killed a pregnant woman, by mistake yes but still, and the story gives not a single shit about exploring it. There's no
>what was her family life?
>did she had dependents?
>what role did she had to her community?
>Did she had a lover? The story hates men, so let's say she was a lesbian. You may have killed someone's life, you thought about the cruelty of kids bullying each other few paragraphs down, but this point is just "lol shit happen."
I am not even saying the story should focus in on it. I am just saying something to the effect of "man, spider mom was a cunt for killing my actual mom. Like X, but come on."
She kills someone else, because they refused to be said no due to an abortion. Another woman. AH, but they're with the Radiant empire, aka the man empire, so it's fine! You can't just kick them out. Nah bro, just shoot them.

3. It ironically enough is very, very shallow. This story is claimed to be about abortion. But in what way? The legalistic practice? What is this story genuinely trying to say? Why this story? Because right now it's basically small, pre-indstural female societies get corrupted by male conquerors and their woman collaborators, with the springs of abortion/contraption being a method of the Kingdom of Woman to be independent.
>this woman has three daughters but no sons? Horrible!
>spider spirit minding her business but she keeps getting attacked -> Kingdom of Woman minding their own business but got conquered
>woman being second class citizens in this world
>"drunk men laughing about all the pleasures they would solicit from their wives": it's shameful to talk about your sex experience sure, but this story deliberately pointed it out as a sign of cruelty of the world when at best it's objectifying consensual sex.

It's just like, a whole lot of nothing. There's not even an abortion discussion: it's more an abortion plot device.

>>25544148
tell me about it

>>25546147
Interesting. I dig it.

>>25546147
he talks about it the way ppl who do combat sports think about competitions, like whatever happens in the fight that night is written as history forever, and the experience of training camp, fight night build up, after the fight, the celebration or coping, and in the end u just remember the experience not that much of whether u won or lost, way better to compete and lose than just linger around gyms and never step in the ring or on the mat.

>>25546141
I bitched about another book that looks similar, but I concede that it was a lot smarter in setup. It had a lot more characters, with actual personality, faults, virtues. They get on each other's nerves. They assume the worst. They even have changing relationships.
Look at this story: all the relationships are pretty much static. This story is just about righting a single injustice. Even Isongo, who was the main character's lover, has zero development: it's all just backstory, ex-lovers and all of that. And ex-lovers because again, evil empire, she became a woman collaborator.
It's just, for lack of a better term I am not sure why the author wrote this, beyond a feminist power fantasy. That's a weird thing to say, but I can't help but keep comparing it mentally to that trope in some animes where the main character is already super powered, is perfect, has a harem/friends, and is just awesome wiht no issues.
Even little things, like how YOU SHOULD FEEL REGRET KILLING PREGNANT WOMAN, Isongo either helping or hurting the main character on her quest, or someone of the Kingdom of Woman having a son, or getting an abortion when she's pregnant with a girl/from the spring. Just something in this world to push back. To make the main character reexamine their life.
But then, that's missing the point. These stories are for the author and their intended audience. People who have been marginalized so much, that they need media that exemplifies them. It's like the Bible or religious text from oppressed groups: here is our guy, doing this cool thing, while the powers that be are dipshit retards. It's not about right or wrong, or even a story. It's about validation, about belonging. It's saying "no, if I want to be independent from men's society, that is fine thing to do. There is zero issues with it." But unlike nazi fiction, I don't expect to read this power fantasy-esqe fiction in my so called high-brow literature. And I'm left with a case of what's the fucking point? The editor said this had good world building and wants to see a sequel on it: on what grounds?
>There's a kingdom of women: they got their ass kicked by men because men had metallurgy
>they can use magic to make woman pregnant and abortion
>woman from the empire of men has silver inlays on them because they been made human cattle
>immortal spider demon (they mention that fucking adjective so many time. Immortal. Yet she's gone. So is she dead or what? Doesn't seem very immortal)
Besides generic Chinese that's pretty much it.

And oh god, damn. I hate how much backstory, that does nothing but make the spider mom look quirky while again, she is killing a pregnant woman. You noticed I didn't mention the adventurers trying to plunder her cave? Because I can see there's a case to be made for killing them in self defense.
>oh anon! He is a bitch, here's my
https://www.allegoryezine.com/stories/fiction/thehunt. I love this story so much, and it's contemporary.

>>25546141
>>25546161
bruh this is way too long no one gonna read all this

Feeling quite keyed up @ the mom'.

>25546164
Thank you for telling me.
>>25546141
>>25546161
The overall effect all of this creates is just a story that wastes my time. If the story was flipped, I would still hate it, because it attacks a fundamental belief I have about human experience. That life has clear moral clarity that if not be resolved, than at least spotted.
Meanwhile, stuff like slavery, which IS wrong and evil (and for our discussion, American slavery) was a messy, multi-generational process of healing. Just because the emancipation proclamation was said did not mean the underlying problem was solved.
But these stories, for lack of a better term, would. Like I get the impression that these stories would write the reconstruction post-slavery experience of African Americans to be this idealized power flip, with absolutely zero issues. That before, there was clear good and evil, and it's the same but flipped power dynamics. And it feels lazy.

I'm a pro-choice libtard, sue me. So why does this story upsets me? Because it is the equivalent in idea complexity as 4chan posts. It talks about the buzzwords, one level idea reflection, without a compelling plot, so-so characterization and I guess fine language, mixed with backstory that interrupts. It's the failure mode of "I wanted to write an essay but it's just saying X is good or X is bad, so instead I'll smuggle that into a story!".

Let me conclude with this thought experiment: how would I write this to be to my liking?
>more ambiguity on whether nation of men is good or bad, with a theme of self-determination vs safety or male comfort or just something. I genuinely can't think of a good reason besides them being stronger for any women in the story to have a man.
>we open with fields of abortion. Why is it that abortion or contraption have zero exploration? The WORLD BUILDING RESTRICTION ON USING THEM has more words than people wondering if they should have an abortion or not.
>we need to see the spectrum of women. Not just two, I want to see which ones embraced, shun, escape, or even succeed in this new world order.
>cut backstory because at best it's just reinforcement of mother/daughter theme to hide the fact that the plot is very slim. If we are going to keep it, we need an actual arc: start at spider mom killing the pregnant woman, feeling regret, raising the protagonist to make it up, and then end on with the protagonist saying she loved her spider-mom anyways.
>one plot complication/issue, to not make it so obvious.
>pressure for the protagonist to join the empire of man. Not even a good or real one, something like wealth -> safety -> spirits/friends. Now there's stakes at play that shift.

>>25546186
My hot feminist friend wanted me to practice Jiu Jitsu with her, but I never got around to it, though one time I asked her to show me a move and she locked my arm behind my back, which I found pretty sexy, and I think she knew.

Wish I had a fucking smoke.

>>25546192
do it, bjj is like the best shit ever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfdH7n-6sT8

>>25546192
if it was with girls maybe i’d do bjj but rolling around with another guy - i’m good.

>>25546197
https://youtu.be/-VzSiilYSKs

I don't talk to her anymore, because I went insane and thought her son was somehow mine, which isn't the only time that exposed me as a creep, just the one that was beyond her ability to consider it anything that made me cute.

>>25546217
uh what

>>25546217
Shit, mean for >>25546207

>>25546189
>I'm a pro-choice libtard
Do you just not value human life at all? I struggle to understand pro abortionism as anything but either cynical nihilism ("kill the poor") or feministic narcissism (if you're getting mad that I didn't mention women who are trapped and have their lives "ruined" by pregnancy please understand that that's narcissism on par with incels demanding sex slaves). You can find any infinite number of ways to present an adult being as "not really alive" the same way you can with a fetus or whatever. Read "Being No One".

Removed my wisdom teeth two days ago. Recovery sucks. I'm eager to eat some real food.

>>25546189
>I wanted to write an essay but it's just saying X is good or X is bad, so instead I'll smuggle that into a story!
Ayn Rand moment kek. I hate this too.

>>25546225
I've been thinking of trying to DIY this. I can't afford to pay to have them out and it seems like it would be a cool experience. I'm not sure where to even start.

>>25546231
why do americans always remove their wisdom teeth instead of letting them grow in?

>>25546228
>In 1938 doctors were killing 14 year olds for having sex
I almost believe it

>>25546232
I'm 30 now and couldn't afford to get them out when I should have and they ruined my teeth. Extreme crowding and almost a year of awful headaches when they came in. Not everyone gets impacted ones but if you do they should come out.

>>25546231
Great way of getting a life-threatening infection

Hello. I'm not home right now, but if you want to leave a message, just start talking at the sound of the tone. Hello? This is your mother. Are you there? Are you coming home?

>>25546238
I can do many things through grain alcohol which sanitizes me

>>25546243
Rubbing alcohol heals the outsides and drinking alcohol heals the insides.

For all I've heard about Jews being enlightened and intellectually superior I don't think I've ever met one who wasn't an insecure, kind of trashy in the worst ways midwit with some kind of shitting related condition

>>25546237
in the uk, 90% people don’t get them pulled (inb4 british dentistry). i never had any issues (you just bite your cheek a lot the first few weeks). that said our dentists are nhs so maybe they’re not gonna push operations on you like in the us where i’m assuming you pay through the nose.

>>25546251
Yeah, I remember there was this Jewish girl in high school that was kind of modest, shy, and smart, but for whatever reason I couldn't see her as anything more than foul, genetic trash.

>I am dying
Was I a good husband to you? Be honest, you don't have to people please
Well no, you weren't, honey.
Ha, I'm sorry. Remember when we first met, and we both said we didn't know if we were going to have a future because we didn't know if we were going to choose to live longer?
Yeah
I just wanted to thank you for being my ship. I love you.

Or if I told you
How ashamed I was when I told my mother
That my friends were online
I was more ashamed because I meant it
And she accepted that
But I never believed it
Is this life really necessary?

I got my wisdom teeth out when I was 17. Bottom two were impacted so I definitely needed them out. I could feel them slowly coming in for years before that though, but It was only around age 17 that they precipitated and erupted. I got them out in the OR which was neat.

And I can feel your heartbeat. Not someone else's, yours. Do you feel it too? Let me hold you. I, audience to your rhythm, beat for me. Let me hold your energy, yours is the soul through which I yet live.

>>25546288
i lived with my roommate since before the pandemic and for many years it was just the two of us here. i don't think i ever touched even like brushed her and grabbing something in the kitchen or passing in the hall. now i just think about hugging her as i walk out the door for the last time and i want to burst into tears. very grim.

>>25546299
damn i can't even type correctly what the fuck this sucks so bad

>>25546299
aaaaah would we be so free
There must be avenues, magic somewhere. A word, don't even want to talk in the avenue of moods. It's too lustful to even say 'she wants it too', that's the type of barriers. Got me thinking got me thinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtuj3BC1lBo

>>25546300
brother i never noticed any type and don't care to look back. Take her. Spill that wine.

>>25546312
typo*
lmfao funny word to mispell and especially in that sentence

let the fear consume you

https://youtu.be/k1fhRtrC2Cw

I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devil's work.

>>25546320
Well, go on

>>25546319
this guy knows I've been posting Laurie Anderson, and if he doesn't then we're fucking groovy anyways

Approaching disaster conditions

>>25546322
yeah i know. i haven’t listened to this album since i was 17, i always thought this track was something.

>>25546341
Isn't it lovely?

Pay audience to such wonderful lunacy.

>>25546347
not the word i’d go with.

>>25546355
discomforted comfortable detected

How do I find women into fat guys
I'm halfway to my goal weight and it feels like a waste

>>25546362
stand by.

>former in demand degree is now over saturated worthless
>considering a second bachelors for a licensed job
>it’s another job basically everyone is being told to go back to school for with people saying it’s impossible to be over saturated
I wonder if nursing will be over saturated by the time I’d graduate and sit for the exam
Wouldn’t that be funny. Two for two. That’d just be a hilariously tragic biography. The studio audience that watches my life would laugh so hard

https://youtu.be/1CLDtj9SHyQ?is=3HVI3dFBFyqpN5iJ

https://youtu.be/ebLYgVPDORM

I've finally understood prosefags. I've only ever read one book at a time then given it a few days before reading another to reset my palette, but recently I've started David Copperfield and A Game Of Thrones at the same time and the difference is staggering.
Jumping between genre fiction and more "complex" works never really overlapped with me, I can read them both fine in a vacuum but having a direct comparison while both works are fresh in my mind is genuinely ruining AGOT. GRRM's writing is borderline special needs compared to Dickens. You can have all the history and backstory in the world but with Dicken's writing you can glean all of that simply from how a character reacts to a situation or their dialect, it makes them feel significantly more alive despite getting less information on them. In AGOT you have some shit like
>The wolf looked up at [character]. The wolf had gold eyes. The eyes gleamed like golden coins.
and it's so fucking insipid it's almost insulting. It's so juvenile in its delivery it honestly makes it hard to even picture whatever scene he's trying to convey despite being so blunt. Dicken's simply explains the scent from a larder and it paints a much, much more vivid picture.
Also, which is sort of unrelated, I really hate how you hit a point in AGOT where you read the chapter header and can instantly tell "Oh dammit, this is going to be a shit-boring chapter" because he feels the need to explore literally every named character's perspective on the current situation. I'm a sucker for court politics, sue me, but I don't give a modicum of a fuck about a prepubescent child's opinion on the matter. Just give me backroom meetings and hooded whispers in a smoky pub discussed by adults directly involved.

Life has started to seem irresolvably distant, bitter, and alien, so I think it's for the best if I draw it to a close.