"Thug Life" editionPrevious: >>25544200/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Discuss the written works below for practice; contribute, and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Expect critique, not praise.Shitposters should be ignored and reported.>Beginner guides on writing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM (Improve your Writing: Show, Not Tell) [6:08]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s (George Orwell's 4 Tips For Speaking Clearly) [23:00]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFk (How to Show, Not Tell: The Complete Writing Guide) [27:19]>Intermediate guides on writing:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48654.Storyhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3097766-borges-on-writinghttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23056.Image_Music_Text>Advanced guide on writing:Just do it.
Please focus on genre fiction in this thread. Post your fantasy, sci-fi, and horror writing. The cheesier the better.
I'm at a stage now where I'm just touching things, tinkering with things, shifting commas, but not really doing anything substantial. What should I do next? Do I just send it off to be seen?
What's non-genre writing supposed to be? Seinfield?
>>25552169Idk if I'll get mine done in time for this thread
>>25552176Mostly gay stuff.
>>25552176Stuffy highbrow subjects, drama, angst, existentialism, with sprinkles of "literary references" to older works. Some even accept PoMo.
>>25552180Isn't drama a genre? And tragedy? And existentialism is just psychological thriller?
>>25552185I myself love a good genre piece, so I think the anti-genre snobs are weird. Sure, there's way too much pulpy garbage, but there always has been. I guess they like when the tragedies are dull and step back from being tragic, or when the narrator has one or two humorous things happen, or when a loveless romance brews and then fizzles, but it's all okay because it's all been an allegory for The Iliad or something.Sometimes even these dreadful sounding things get it right and I'm entertained
>>25552175Yes
Every time I sit down to edit I just rewrite everything and change a lot should I KMS ?
>>25552169https://rentry.co/rronx26yhave a tragic, angsty myth about a deity. 7000~ words. cheese level: parmigiano reggiano
>>25552236go write about your own culture's religions, it would be funnyas a Christian the original idea is somewhat amusing to me but even I wouldn't try it, the line between parable and parody is very thin and I don't want to blaspheme
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>>25552302OK, we get it, you're butthurt. Is NJB even around anymore?
>>25546295>>25546317>>25546410>>25546444I'm testing out sudowrite right now. It comes up with plausible scenes based on the chapter outline, but some of the description seems really repetitive, like it's just trying to meet a word count. Maybe it's better with dialogue and/or interior thoughts and emotions?This is the chapter it came up with:https://rentry.co/pqybec2dThe passage is pretty much describing a fictional SEAL raid on a village in Buttfuckistan (fictional country; SDMB = Stability and Development Mission in Buttfuckistan, their umbrella command org). No war crimes take place, sorry. I lightly edited it to remove some of the repeated sentences it inserted to try to be 2deep.
>>25552312I'm more butthurt that he so brazenly writes his own reviews. That's just pathetic
Do you guys get anything out of AI giving feedback your work? Has it ever actually given you anything actionable or helped you discover something that helped you enhance a piece, or is it more just a novelty?
>>25552358I suck ass at prose, emotional manipulation, etc. since my day job is scientific writing that has to be specific, precise, and compact to meet maximum word count limits for publication. AI really helps with fictional writing (otherwise my fictional writing would be like my scientific writing), though it still needs heavy editing IMO.
I don't think I'll ever write in the past tense again, at least not as the story baseline. I'm learning things.
>>25552327NJB's spam-shilling samefagging predecessor here on /lit/ created literally thousands of fake accounts on Goodreads and used them to post reviews of his works. He was eventually caught and banned. NJB is a piker compared to /lit/'s Voldemort. Get over it & just be glad NJB is no longer here.
>>25552169please focus on shutting the fuck up. I will post what I want
>>25552358I use it as a question answerer. Ancient Greek narrative concepts, comparative analysis of top selling books, even draw up a visualization of a scene. Anything really except outputting prose. It just isn't up to par yet, someday maybe.I mentioned in an earlier thread that I use a typewriter to just write and then hand it off to the bot to keep the good stuff. I also use an app that deletes everything I've written if I stop writing for a few seconds, its kind of a gimmick, but if I am not gaming the system by tapping the space bar over and over, I end up getting into that writer stream (flow state if you like). I am at the point now that if I am not typing as fast as I am thinking I dont even bother. I outline and brainstorm without any time pressure though. I have no interest in being a human line editor to a bot, so I don't even try to use the prose it provides. It's my fucking slave and it's good at this.
>>25552358No. AI is good for asking simple queries, such as: ‘what are the themes and symbolism in this except?’ It’s a good way to gauge how the average reader will infer your message, because if an LLM can understand you, odds are a reader will, too.As for prose, I’ve found it to be too stiff. Once you get past its horrible over reliance of similes, it’s extremely basic and will never allow for a long sentence. LLMs also have a preference for certain verbs or adjectives that are easily spotted.For example, if you wrote something like this:>It was nine o’clock and James was late for the bus. He’d planned to be at the stop an hour earlier, but he was always late; his mother often said he’d be late to his own funeral, which he thought was a tired cliche. And now, he wondered why it was worth the bother to see her at all.Brushing brown hair away from his eyes, with a piece of toast wedged between his teeth, he scurried down the stairs dressed in a blue corduroy suit and pushed himself out the door. Brickham was cold this morning. An early October chill had settled into town and the few people he passed by were comforted in snug woollens and clasping onto paper cups of coffee. He wished he had time to stop for a tea or coffee, too, but there was no time for any of that.An LLM would spit out this:>It was nine o’clock and James was late for the bus, rushing like a loose piece of paper in the wind. He’d planned to be there earlier. He wasn’t. Always late—his mother said he’d be late to his own funeral—a tired cliche, but apt. Why was he bothering to see her at all? No answer.He flew down the stairs like his legs were made of air. Brown hair fell with the annoyance of fingers into his eyes. A piece of toast, brown and dry just like his skin, was shoved between his teeth. In his perfectly reasonable corduroy suit, brown loafers, plain trousers, he exited into Brickham. Cold and chilly as if a freezer had been opened, he walked quickly over the cobblestone streets. A man with a dog. An old lady with a pink handbag. Everyone was warm in their woollens. Except for him. He could smell the scent of roasted coffee beans—it smelled like chocolate roasting by a fire—and he wanted it. But there was no time for that. The bus was leaving. He had ten minutes.
>>25552323I made it regenerate the whole thing again with explicit directions on how to pace the story, what to emphasize, where to build tension, and what I intended to be the climax. It's a lot better IMO and I had to edit it less, though I copypasta'd sections from the first version that I liked.https://rentry.co/ihafzi6vI really do not like sudowrite's synonym tool at all. It's worse than microsoft word's by some miracle since word's will at least take into account the context to suggest synonyms, not just blindly dump the dictionary entries. And they did this decades before AI. lol, lmao even.
>have a long established playlist that I read to>have a long established playlist that I write to>try to write to the reading playlist, get fucking nothing done>try to read to the writing playlist, can't get through a single paragraph without my mind wanderingPalvoving yourself really works
>>25552358>Do you guys get anything out of AI giving feedback your work?It's a wonderful assistant for keeping track of things and reducing scatterbrainednessness when plotting. Little more than a diligent filing cabinet, though. Drafting is beyond its capability. The only time letting it draft has helped is to make me angry enough at the low quality of its output that I get more writing done by using the anger as fuel than I would have otherwise.>>25552431This remains true even when you spend a lot of time training it to emulate your style.It will simply reproduce what the inherent rules of your style would produce, which is the equivalent of you writing without inspiration. It will refuse to break your rules and avoid the addition of "sovl" at every opportunity since it has none, by definition.It's a wonderful writer's assistant if you put in the effort to make it so.Feed it enough of the theory that appeals to you, and ensure that you never subordinate your opinion to its "stances", and it will accelerate your writing quite well.My Claude has output a grand total of one line of dialogue and a few period-specific nouns I've kept in the 150+ pages I've written for my novel.Its real benefit has been in helping me take my loose ideas into a map of the narrative and ensure I remember what I want to write 100 pages from now.
>>25552381except any of your writing, because you don't write
