>There are millions who consider this tradcath angloid cloakshit a masterpiece.Humiliating.
>popular thing is actually badI wish Angie killed this site for good
>tradcathdon't sully tolkien's name by associating him with online larpers
>>25556468I can't escape the feeling that you spend way too much time online
I feel as though so many people avoid how unbelievably sad The Lord Of The Rings is. And that this great melancholy gives the story so much of its power: this sense of passing-away, that we must cling on even as so much that is fair and beautiful goes for-ever out of the world.And I wonder how much of it is autobiographical. Tolkien himself experienced a great passing-away: the dissolution of the British Empire during his lifetime. That surely must have been some of the inspiration for the passing-away of the Elves, in places like Lothlorien and Rivendell.
OP here, I'm trans btw
>>25556510Imagine if he was alive today to see the government actively shipping in orcs to the shire
>>25556510except the british empire was the type of soulless industrial machine that is embodied by mordor
Why do hacks seethe at their betters?
>>25556657It's unbecoming for Moorcock to seethe as much as he does.
It's kino
>>25556468> tradcathYou didn’t read it.
>>25556572No, it's not, this is typical anti-western historic revisionism. The British Empire was powerful, but just. It ended slavery across all of its colonies, it built hospitals, schools and rainroads in places that to this day heavily rely on the infrastructure the British built for them 200+ years ago. It's much more akin to Gondor, a powerful empire in decline, that has its fair share of issues and corruption, but is still mostly made up of good people. For Tolkien, Mordor was obviously a metaphor for Nazi Germany and the Axis powers.
>>25556468Just more epic slop like the Iliad but instead of gods and heros you have goblins and wizards
>>25556468>cloakshitThat's a new one
>>25556969How much JS Mill do you read?
>>25556657This right here is the reason why so many despise the left. Why can't they just focus on economics? it worked in China.
>>25556996I don't know who that is.
>>25556510>Tolkien himself experienced a great passing-away: the dissolution of the British Empire during his lifetime.How you missed WW1 and WW2 is beyond me, Tolkien became an anarchist later in his life so his ring of power makes much more sense.
>>25556468Yea i am generally kind of annoyed by that particular flavor of tradcath that insist on this being a great unrivaled masterpiece. Very unserious people, which is shown by the fact that they also tend to insist that CS Lewis was anything approaching a competent writer or thinker. That being said, it is undoubtedly an important work with an enormous influence on literature (for better or for worse) that merits some serious analysis and scholarship. We just have to put all "tolkien scholars" against a wall first before we can have any useful discussions around its literary merit.
>>25556468>>25557068Never post again please
>book starts with someone turning "eleventy one"yeah, nah.
>>25556468>This young adult adventure book that was written by a literature professor to give teenagers something to read after they made it through the wind in the willows is NOT TRUE HIGH LITERATURE!!!You don’t fuckin say?? Damn processor psued what other insights do you have for us today?You gona rip apart the logical inconsitencies of Beowulf??Critique the Ryme scheme of japenese haikus translated to English???
>>25556510>>25556969Tolkien did not like the British empire. The Catholic literary revival's position on imperialism was that it existed for rich merchants (who were often foreign or Jewish) to drive the free English peasantry into slavery. The passing away you see in LOTR represents imperialists and robber barons erasing the last traces of medievalism from Britain, and this theme finds its most direct representation in the scouring of the Shire.Note that this opposition isn't primarily about the empire's treatment of its third world subjects. On the contrary, it's mostly about the empire's treatment of its English subjects. Tolkien and friends pretty much believed that their homeland would be better off without a parasitic mercantile empire to drag it down.
>>25557564Sounds pretty based and correct.
>>25556510>>25556969LOTR is intended to be a tragic story about the fall of Western civilization while at the same time being a moral condemnation of Nazism and industrialization. It's difficult to understand because it's thematically convoluted, and because Tolkien deliberately made his work difficult to analyze as an allegory. When you know Tolkien's private beliefs it becomes easier to understand what he's trying to say.>Sauron is similar to be Germany/Hitler. He is depicted as an Evil being that nevertheless creates beauty (the Rings). Sauron wants to save Middle Earth from stagnation but has no moral qualms about what he does to win. Sauron is not exactly a "Hitler stand-in" but rather he represents the corrupted spiritual values that Tolkien believes motivated Hitler. Saruman is a similar figure.>The Rings, particularly the One Ring represent the desire to do Evil in the name of beauty. >The Hobbits are akin to middle class rural English. They're a humble and somewhat unintelligent people who get chosen to fight in the war against Sauron, with the end result being their own moral corruption by the forces of evil.>The Men (Gondor and Rohan) are similar to the elite class of the British Empire and France. They're depicted as cowardly, easily corrupted and influenced by Sauron.>Dwarves are based off Jews. They're just kind of present. I think Tolkien was aware that Dwarves in German mythology are an antisemitic stereotype so he tried to rehabilitate them.>Elves and Wizards represent divine forces. The passing of the elves represents the death of religion and beauty in the modern world>Orcs are just an amalgamation of everyone Tolkien doesn't like. They're fascist brownshirts, bolsheviks, Americans, and lower-class Londoners all rolled into one.
>>25556468It's a masterpiece of its genre, yes. It's good and well written, what else could one want?
>Baynefag makes another threadYaaaaaay.....
